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Female writer Taslima Nasreen was attacked in her book release (a translation) function by 3 MLA (member of legislative assembly - they are lawmakers for state).

Some people never learn. The more you try to suppress a book, the more popular it gets and the more it sells.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/aug/09nasreen.htm?zcc=rl
Three Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen legislators and several other activists were arrested on Thursday afternoon for their bid to attack controversial Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen at the press club in Hyderabad.

The trouble arose at the book-release function of a Telugu translation of one of Nasreen's controversial novels at the Somajiguda press club. The Telugu translation of Bengali novel Shodh (Revenge) was rendered by Venigalla Komala. As the function got underway, a group of MIM activists led by MLAs Mohammed Muqtada Khan, Mohammed Moazzam Khan and Syed Ahmed Pasha Quadri suddenly descended on the premises.

They stormed the dais and started raising slogans against Nasreen. They rained blows on those who tried to shield a visibly shaken Nasreen. Journalists, press photographers and TV crews intervened and helped evict the MIM MLAs from the hall.

The activists shouted slogans against Nasreen and alleged that she had indulged in anti-Muslim and anti-Islamic writings.:rolleyes:

The protest continued even as a police contingent led by Deputy Commissioner of Police Madhusudhan Reddy rushed to the spot. MIM activists staged a noisy road blockade outside the press club before they were arrested.

The police escorted Nasreen to a "safe place." Later, the organizers lodged a complaint with the city police commissioner, demanding action against MIM MLAs and activists. They also demanded an unconditional apology from the MIM.

The MIM has six legislators and one MP from the city.

Wow, religious people protesting books that are counter to their sensibilities? Who'da thought?

news clip

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/46513/andhra-mlas-lead-mob-attack-on-taslima.html

The attackers say

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070022057
Controversial writer Taslima Nasreen was attacked by an unruly crowd at the Hyderabad Press club on Thursday.

Three MLAs of the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen or MIM were among those who attacked her.

They verbally abused the writer and flung whatever they could lay their hands on at her for her alleged anti-muslim remarks.

The MLAs were detained after the incident.

The Bangladesh born writer was there for the release of the telugu version of her book Sokhe at the press club when some 30 activists first raised slogans against her for alleged anti-Muslim remarks and then got rough.

''We are not bothered about our MLA status. We are Muslims first. And its our responsibility to test those who have said anything against Islam in which ever way possible,'' said Akbaruddin Owaisi, MIM MLA.:rolleyes:

And the inevitable fatwa

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/fatwa-to-blacken-taslimas-face--pics-mlas-attack/46559-3.html
A Muslim cleric on Thursday issued a fatwa that the face of controversial Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen be blackened for her alleged comments against Islam and demanded that she be immediately expelled from India.

In a live interaction with Taslima on a local Bengali TV channel, the Imam of the Tipu Sultan mosque, Noorul Rahman Barkati, said he had issued the fatwa against the author for her comments against Islam and its prophet.

Barkati also said that he had offered a reward of Rs 50,000 for anybody who would blacken Taslima's face as he urged authorities to immediately deport her to Bangladesh.

Taslima, who fled Bangladesh several years ago following threats to her life by fundamentalists there, has been living in Kolkata since the last one year.

During the interaction, Taslima denied having said anything against Islam or insulted Prophet Mohammed, but said that she is living in a democracy where freedom of expression is guaranteed to everybody.

Fuckers.

See this "educated man" speaking about this incident. You will be shocked.

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/46559/fatwa-to-blacken-taslimas-face--pics-mlas-attack.html

She may want to look into relocating. Away from backward muslims, if possible. :p

*snip*

What does 'blacken' mean exactly? Cover in shoe-polish?

If so, Taslima should blacken her own face and collect the reward.

Some people want to even kill her.

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#MIM:%20She%20will%20be%20killed%20next%20time
MIM: She will be killed next time


Hyderabad, Aug. 9: The Majlis-e-Ittehadul-Muslimeen has warned that it will not allow Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen to go back alive if she dared to come back to the city while the Majlis Bachao Tehreek claimed that their plan to kill her was foiled by the MIM attack. Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy and Home Minister K. Jana Reddy, who restricted themselves to a cursory condemnation of the attack on the writer, chose not to react to these open threats obviously because of political reasons. Police also claimed that they had not come across the statements.

“We are very proud of our MLAs and activists who assaulted her,” said MIM leader and MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi. “We will implement the fatwa issued against Taslima if she comes to the city again.” The MIM leader felt it was not wrong to make such a threat though he was an MLA who took oath on the Constitution. “First of all I am a Muslim,” he said. “So I have to vent my anger against a person who insults Islam. Then only I can think of my responsibility as an MLA. As we are protecting the sanctity of Islam, we are not at fault.” :rolleyes:Meanwhile, Home Minister K. Jana Reddy said the government would review the sections under which the cases were booked against the MIM MLAs if necessary.

He said this after it was pointed out the MIM MLAs who attacked Taslima had merely been booked for rioting while Congress MLA P. Janardhan Reddy’s son was booked for attempt to murder after a road brawl recently. The MIM leaders refused to express any regret over the incident. Mr Owaisi, for instance, recalled that Hindu fundamentalists had attacked M.F. Hussain alleging that he had insulted Goddess Saraswati through his paintings. “We also condemned him,” he reminded.

When asked if he was equating himself with the mob that attacked Mr Hussain, he avoided a direct answer. “Instead of filing cases against us, police should book case against the organisers for allowing Taslima to make provocative speeches against Islam,” he said. MIM president Salahuddin Owaisi also asked the Centre not to give asylum to the writer, who has been disowned by her homeland Bangladesh.

At the same time, the Majlis Bachao Tehreek made an even more alarming claim that they had been planning to kill Taslima. “We were all set to kill her,” said Majidullah Khan Farhat, official spokesman of the party. “The MIM activists attacked her with flowers and foiled our plans. It is shameful on their part to stage such a drama.”

City police commissioner Balwinder Singh, however, said that the statements of MIM and MBT had not come to his notice. “As soon as we notice them, we will take appropriate steps,” he said. The home minister was also hard put to explain why cases were booked against MIM MLAs on ‘lighter’ sections and why the police were treating the issue as a protest and not an attack. “It depends on the police officer. The government can review it and alter sections. We can take action against the police officer if he is found to have put the wrong sections intentionally,” he said.

The home minister joked that the police could only book a petty case of abuse even if someone hurts another person’s feelings using the filthiest language. “We condemn the incident and will take action,” was the cryptic reaction of the chief minister soon after the attack. He remained incommunicado after that. The CMO also did not comment on the threat by Mr Owaisi that his party would harm Taslima if she came to Hyderabad again.

Sources in the CMO said that the government did not want to antagonise either the MIM or Muslims in the run up to the elections to the Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation. Moreover, the Congress would need the support of the MIM to checkmate the TRS in Telangana in the Assembly polls. Meanwhile, the police have stepped up security arrangements at the Mecca Masjid and several other parts of old city in the wake of the Friday prayers. The old city has been put on alert and additional platoons of Rapid Action Force were posted at the mosque.

What does 'blacken' mean exactly? Cover in shoe-polish?

If so, Taslima should blacken her own face and collect the reward.

Bad translation maybe? And are bruises even visible on black-skinned people? I'm not too sure. :p

What does 'blacken' mean exactly? Cover in shoe-polish?


I also am curious. Though I suspect it has something to do with acid, or whatnot.

What does 'blacken' mean exactly? Cover in shoe-polish?

If so, Taslima should blacken her own face and collect the reward.

It is common in some parts of the sub-continent to punish somebody by "blackening" their face (by coal or something...I dunno) and parading them.

Pretty stupid and barbaric and I believe it has racist overtones.

Some people want to even kill her.


So what *exactly* did she write about Islam? It's not too clear. Not that it would warrant violence, but it might be helpful to know, just for the sake of understanding.

She may want to look into relocating. Away from backward muslims, if possible. :p

She already did. She was disowned by her country Bangladesh for her book Lajja (shame).

Truly a shameful day for India when it cannot guarantee the safety of a writer who has taken refuge there.

So what *exactly* did she write about Islam? It's not too clear. Not that it would warrant violence, but it might be helpful to know, just for the sake of understanding.

Buy her books. :p That way you can say :upyours: to those who want to kill her for writing books.

Buy her books. :p That way you can say :upyours: to those who want to kill her for writing books.

Well, my library has nothing, but I'll keep an eye out. :)

Well, my library has nothing, but I'll keep an eye out. :)

I think it is because she is a feminist and criticized islam's treatment of women. Therefore she must die. (Obviously). She could be an atheist too. Also bad.

I say once more: Muslims really need to get over themselves. They are in no way special, and their faith deserves no special treatment or respect.

Oh, and before anyone jumps on me for muslim bashing: The same applies to any other faith and anyone else who takes their faith to seriously. God is dead. Deal with it.

I think it is because she is a feminist and criticized islam's treatment of women. Therefore she must die. (Obviously). She could be an atheist too. Also bad.

Yeah, probably. I thought Bangladesh was the homeland of the Sikhs anyhow - you'd think the local muslims would be used to some dissent. But maybe not. Then again, I'm probably terribly misinformed on that. :p

Yeah, probably. I thought Bangladesh was the homeland of the Sikhs anyhow

It's like 90% muslim. It used to be part of pakistan (east pakistan) until it rebelled in the 70s. I'm not sure of the whys and wherefores, but the Indians ended up having to actually intervene to prevent a massive humanitarian crisis.

And bugger all thanks they got for it too.

It used to be part of pakistan (east pakistan) until it rebelled in the 70s. I'm not sure of the whys and wherefores,

Mujibur Rehman from Awami League party (based in Bangladesh) won the majority in the 1970 election. Punjabi chauvinist in the army and west Pakistan based political parties did not want to give power to a Bengali (racist reasons). Elections were annulled, martial law imposed, riots in Bangladesh, crackdown and genocide leading to million plus Bangladeshis killed by Pakistan army....Indian intervention and the birth of Bangladesh.

And bugger all thanks they got for it too.

lol. It is now a staging ground for Pakistan sending militants into India. Not to mention the about 16 million illegal immigrants from there. It is kinda like the Mexican problem that US has.

Mujibur Rehman from Awami League party (based in Bangladesh) won the majority in the 1970 election. Punjabi chauvinist in the army and west Pakistan based political parties did not want to give power to a Bengali (racist reasons). Elections were annulled, martial law imposed, riots in Bangladesh, crackdown and genocide leading to million plus Bangladeshis killed by Pakistan army....Indian intervention and the birth of Bangladesh.



lol. It is now a staging ground for Pakistan sending militants into India. Not to mention the about 16 million illegal immigrants from there. It is kinda like the Mexican problem that US has.

Is there a response from senior Muslim leaders condemning this - because that is what often gets me. I can understand people of any persuasion have their extreme side but its leaders should be stepping in.

Either the media you've provided didn't seek out their opinion or they don't have one.

Is there a response from senior Muslim leaders condemning this - because that is what often gets me. I can understand people of any persuasion have their extreme side but its leaders should be stepping in.

Either the media you've provided didn't seek out their opinion or they don't have one.

Privately many muslims (leaders or otherwise) may be against this sort of behavior, but very few speak out.

They get browbeaten easily.

Privately many muslims (leaders or otherwise) may be against this sort of behavior, but very few speak out.

They get browbeaten easily.

This is the real problem; when religion is tied to political power and extreme elements feel they have an unspoken nod to carry out their acts without a strong moral force condemning them.

Those people who threaten injury or death should face the equivalent of being excommunicated by muslim leaders themselves.

I'd say they should be jailed but I can't really see that as resolving the problem without inflaming the situation further.

Hmmm. So, the many people in the US who spoke out in hate against the Dixie Chicks, not comparable? The many people who drove Sinead O'Conner into obscurity for her public statement against the Pope? A sign of barbarity? Or not comparable again?

Hmmm. So, the many people in the US who spoke out in hate against the Dixie Chicks, not comparable? The many people who drove Sinead O'Conner into obscurity for her public statement against the Pope? A sign of barbarity? Or not comparable again?

Yah, I think the difference is that there was no real concerted effort to kill/batter the dixie chicks. Nor were they forced to flee the US in fear of their lives.

Sinead O'Connor is Ireland's problem.

Wow, religious people protesting books that are counter to their sensibilities? Who'da thought?

Wow, just like the Catholics who beat Dan Brown and tried to assassinate him because of the DaVinci Code!

...

wait a minute....

Privately many muslims (leaders or otherwise) may be against this sort of behavior, but very few speak out.

They get browbeaten easily.

It seems they get beaten easily too.

Hmmm. So, the many people in the US who spoke out in hate against the Dixie Chicks, not comparable? The many people who drove Sinead O'Conner into obscurity for her public statement against the Pope? A sign of barbarity? Or not comparable again?

You don't see a difference between "I hate you, go home," and "Let's kill them for what they said?" Sad.

You don't see a difference between "I hate you, go home," and "Let's kill them for what they said?" Sad.

It's the 'Fred Phelps' defense.

It's the 'Fred Phelps' defense.

Sorry, not following?

Sorry, not following?

Anytime a religion other than Christianity is criticized for something reprehensible someone always says something along the lines of: "Oh yeah, well Fred Phelps (or other nutter, but usually fred)...." (No matter how tenuous the connection of christianity it to the topic at hand in the first place).

Not to mention that everyone outside of the WBC seems to hate fred to begin with.

Except..... no one else has mentioned Dead Head Fred, because everyone knows he's a nutter.

Anytime a religion other than Christianity is criticized for something reprehensible someone always says something along the lines of: "Oh yeah, well Fred Phelps (or other nutter, but usually fred)...." (No matter how tenuous the connection of christianity it to the topic at hand in the first place).

Not to mention that everyone outside of the WBC seems to hate fred to begin with.

I agree. It's pointless to compare the actions of these theocrats to Christians, or any other religion that is predominant in developed, western nations. Mostly because of the vast difference in environment. In India, like many other parts of the 'third' world, there is no long standing tradition of freedom of religion or freedom of speech. Or if there was one, it was broken by imperialism and colonialism.

It's like the endless comparisons between Venezuela and the USA or Cuba and the USA: pointless. The same checks and balances do not exist. It is not a viable comparison.

Except..... no one else has mentioned Dead Head Fred, because everyone knows he's a nutter.

He invariably comes up in these discussions. And certainly comparing what happened here to people getting grumpy with the Dixie Chicks is in a similar vein.

He invariably comes up in these discussions. And certainly comparing what happened here to people getting grumpy with the Dixie Chicks is in a similar vein.

I believe the Dixie Chicks did in fact receive death threats. The difference is that if anyone had tried to follow through on those threats, they would have been arrested. In the current atmosphere of extreme fundamentalism in Islam, even if authorities wanted to punish such extremists, they would face possibly lethal reprisals themselves and possibly set off a wave of retaliatory attacks.

Extreme Muslim fundamentalism is no different from any other religions extreme fundamentalism. They think they are above the law. Look at the remarks in the articles about how these people claim they are Muslims first and members of the government/lawmakers a distant second. At the very least, it is dereliction of their duty to the government, and should lead to their immediate removal from office. If being Muslim is so important to them, they should not be burdened with distractions.

But I see little qualitative difference between them and the kind of Christian extremists who think they should have the right to kill abortion doctors in the name of god. The only difference is one of scale. There are not enough of the Christian variety of nut to intimidate church and secular authorities.

I wish people could wrap their brain around the idea that this kind of shameful behavior is not a Muslim problem, but a problem associated with extremism itself. It's just that the Muslims are suffering the worst outbreak of it at the moment, and that is why they must be focused on.

Female writer Taslima Nasreen was attacked in her book release (a translation) function by 3 MLA (member of legislative assembly - they are lawmakers for state).

Some people never learn. The more you try to suppress a book, the more popular it gets and the more it sells.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/aug/09nasreen.htm?zcc=rl

Those guys can hajj off.

I wish people could wrap their brain around the idea that this kind of shameful behavior is not a Muslim problem, but a problem associated with extremism itself. It's just that the Muslims are suffering the worst outbreak of it at the moment, and that is why they must be focused on.

It is a Muslim problem, insofar as it seems to be the norm and not the exception of behavior in many countries across the globe. When you have, in multiple countries across the world, the leaders of any other large religious group systemically making it a religious duty to murder people who speak against their beliefs, let me know.

You have government leaders supporting this behavior, you have clerics supporting this behavior, and there is an extraordinarily loud silence about the appropriateness of the behavior from the moderates we are told (and hope) exist. And if others of the Muslim faith do not band together and shout as loudly as these nutters, "This is wrong!" then how can you blame non-Muslims for believing that this is exactly what is believed and approved of?

It is a Muslim problem in the sense that there needs to be reform and housecleaning, and it doesn't appear to be happening... and in fact the extremism seems to be spreading.

Fuckers.

See this "educated man" speaking about this incident. You will be shocked.


I'm not shocked. Over here, we have CAIR. You know, the unindicted HAMAS co-conspirators.

Dallas—In testimony Tuesday, FBI Agent Lara Burns reported before the jury in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was listed as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee, right alongside HLF, the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), and the United Association for Studies and Research (UASR). Agent Lara Burns further testified that CAIR received money from HLF - a claim that Nihad Awad blatantly denied in a congressional testimony ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/nihad.pdf') in September of 2003.

Burns also said that both Omar Ahmed and Nihad Awad, CAIR co-founders ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/nihad.pdf') who today serve as CAIR’s chairman emeritus and executive director, respectively, were also listed as individual members [of] the Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee in America.

Awad and Ahmed are further connected to the Palestine Committee based on their positions as president and public relations director of the IAP, a Hamas front group that was responsible for the dissemination of propaganda, and has since been closed down as a result of a multi-million dollar civil judgment ('http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-12-09-slaying-suit_x.htm') in a trial involving the murder of an American teenager by HAMAS terrorists.

CAIR, which touts itself as America’s premier Muslim civil rights organization, was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the trial. Burns’ testimony so far has placed both Ahmed and Awad at a 1993 Philadelphia meeting ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/cair_executive_director_placed.php') where the HAMAS members and supporters discussed a strategy to kill the Oslo Peace Accords, which threatened to marginalize HAMAS. The group also discussed ways to improve HAMAS fundraising in America.

Government testimony regarding the role of CAIR reflects the prosecution’s attempt to prove that the HAMAS network in America was established through the Palestine Committee, or what the indictment called “a sub-group of active Muslim Brotherhood members of Palestinian origin.” The leader of this Committee was Musa Abu Marzook, a Specially Designated Terrorist since 1995, and Hamas’ current Deputy Political Bureau Chief. Through this committee, a number of organizations were established to promote HAMAS politically and financially, including HLF, IAP and UASR.


We also have other Muslim groups doing intimidation as well.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/08/BAT4RER742.DTL

Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums and Rep. Barbara Lee of Oakland found themselves in the unwelcome spotlight this week over the letters of support they wrote on behalf of the notorious Your Black Muslim Bakery, but they aren't the only politicos who have supported the group over the years.

At the height of its power back in 1996, the splinter Muslim group - whose members were implicated in last week's slaying of newspaper editor Chauncey Bailey - got the city to approve an advance on a $1.2 million federal redevelopment loan to launch training program for health care jobs.

Within three months, the group had burned through $275,000 without turning out a single graduate.

They did, however, spend $650 a month to lease a Cadillac.

Another $44,000 supposedly went to consulting fees, $10,500 went for security and $7,500 for advertising on a local cable station, where then-leader Yusuf Bey had a weekly TV show.

When asked to explain what was going on, the Black Muslim Bakery cadre - in one of their typical tactics - marched in unison from the bakery to City Hall, then entered the council chambers like a precision drill team, lining up along the room's back walls.

They then asked for another $70,000 to keep the project going.

And they got it, with the council voting 6-2 to grant the funds - minus the money for the Cadillac.

"The message was very clear - we are watching you," said City Council President Ignacio De La Fuente, who cast one of the votes against the group's request.

The school never opened.

And the loan - one of several the council made that year to help disadvantaged businesses - was never repaid.

I'm not shocked. Over here, we have CAIR. You know, the unindicted HAMAS co-conspirators.]

Not to mention AIPAC,you know, the home of a number of spies for foriegn powers....


We also have other Muslim groups doing intimidation as well.


They're about as "muslim" as I am.

They're about as "muslim" as I am.

CAIR isn't Muslim? An organization that clearly is run to support HAMAS, a known Muslim terrorist organization, isn't Muslim?

The Black Muslim Bakery isn't Muslim?

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/war_is_deception_1.php

On Monday, jurors in the terror support trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) were taken inside that 1993 meeting through transcripts obtained by the FBI. Federal agents were aware of the meeting and wired the Philadelphia hotel where it took place.

The meeting, called as the ink dried on the Oslo Peace accords in 1993, discussed at length how Islamists in the United States could help “derail” the deal. The pros and cons of the peace initiative, which established an autonomous Palestinian Authority, were not emphasized. Rather, the potential to isolate the Islamist movement, in this case HAMAS, appeared to be the primary concern.

The men discussed creating a new American organization to work on politics and public relations. The conversation was so sensitive, participants agreed not to discuss HAMAS by name. Rather, they agreed to reference “SAMAH,” HAMAS spelled backward. Or better yet, sister Samah.

“War is deception,” defendant Shukri Abu Bakr said. Abu Bakr was the HLF president until the organization’s assets were frozen in 2001 for its alleged support for terrorism. "Deceive, camouflage. Pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way. Deceive your enemy."

Also at the Philadelphia meeting, Omar Ahmad, a CAIR co-founder, who today serves as CAIR’s chairman emeritus, picked up on the theme, offering an analogy of a basketball player’s fake. “He makes a player believe he is doing this while he is doing something else,” Ahmad said. “I agree with you…like they say, politics is a completion of war.”

Jurors also saw a 2002 sworn statement from Abu Bakr submitted as part of a civil suit involving the HAMAS murder of an American teenager. In the statement, Abu Bakr dismissed the SAMAH/HAMAS references as silly, saying it was “a whimsical and ironic play on words” because SAMAH translates to “forgiveness.” The “Islamic intellectuals, academicians, community leaders and representatives of American Islamic organizations” had no reason to conceal their conversations, he said.

The transcripts, however, tell a different story. When a meeting participant mentions HAMAS by name, it is Abu Bakr who shoots back: “Didn’t we say not to mention that term?”
August 7, 2007 12:59 AM

CAIR isn't Muslim? An organization that clearly is run to support HAMAS, a known Muslim terrorist organization, isn't Muslim?

The Black Muslim Bakery isn't Muslim?


Its clear that I was referring to the "Black muslim bakery" which seems to be a front for a criminal gang.

I like the way you constantly dodge the question of espionage and agents in AIPAC......

Its clear that I was referring to the "Black muslim bakery" which seems to be a front for a criminal gang.

I like the way you constantly dodge the question of espionage and agents in AIPAC......

Any terror attacks by agents of AIPAC in the US? No...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/30/BEY.TMP

BTW, the article seems to make it clear that it's not Nation of Islam (black Muslims who seem to be separate from Middle Eastern Islam), and a religious group that constantly refers to the Middle Eastern Islam.


Middle Eastern beliefs (accurate in Saudi)

He claimed that in the Middle East, homosexuals were beheaded, but later he said he was not advocating violence against gays.

Spreading religious beliefs

He moved back to Oakland, set up a bakery like his father before him and began spreading his religious beliefs.

Doesn't sound like a gang - it sounds like radical Muslims who used criminal activity, violence, and violent intimidation to get their way:

Bey created the bakery in 1968 and built a powerful enterprise based on baked goods, Muslim faith, local politics and, police say, strong-arm tactics.

For decades, members of Bey's religious sect have been suspected of using violence and intimidation to secure their business interests, which include four bakeries, a Muslim school, a security business and an apartment building across from the main bakery on San Pablo Avenue in northwest Oakland where many of Bey's relatives and bakery workers live.

Yeah, probably. I thought Bangladesh was the homeland of the Sikhs anyhow - you'd think the local muslims would be used to some dissent. But maybe not. Then again, I'm probably terribly misinformed on that. :p

Heheh naaa man the Punjab region of India is the homeland of the Sikhs.

Anytime a religion other than Christianity is criticized for something reprehensible someone always says something along the lines of: "Oh yeah, well Fred Phelps (or other nutter, but usually fred)...." (No matter how tenuous the connection of christianity it to the topic at hand in the first place).

Not to mention that everyone outside of the WBC seems to hate fred to begin with.

Well he is a hatefull man, so go figure huh!

and there is an extraordinarily loud silence about the appropriateness of the behavior from the moderates we are told (and hope) exist.

Oh, right. And if they don't shout, they don't exist.

I guess that's why religious discussion is so mature. It's not about what you say, it's about how loud you shout and how much media attention you get.

And if others of the Muslim faith do not band together and shout as loudly as these nutters, "This is wrong!" then how can you blame non-Muslims for believing that this is exactly what is believed and approved of?

Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and the people who believe the extremist minority speaks for the majority are the kinds who think Muslims are blood-sucking terrorist devils anyway. Fuck 'em up the ass. If I was a Muslim I wouldn't be thinking, "Hmm, I must be loud!" Not in this country. Not in this world. I'd be thinking I'll Anne Frank myself up in an attic if I can.


It is a Muslim problem in the sense that there needs to be reform and housecleaning, and it doesn't appear to be happening... and in fact the extremism seems to be spreading.

Suppose you're an atheist. Suppose I'm an atheist too. Why do I have to clean up your shit? If you kill someone and say belief in no-god made you do it, do I have to shout and wave my arms and say no, that's bullshit? Why? Why can't I just fucking live my life? Why is it suddenly my duty to be a PR officer? And why if I don't become a PR officer do people like you feel the compelling need to accuse me of being a murderer?

Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and the people who believe the extremist minority speaks for the majority are the kinds who think Muslims are blood-sucking terrorist devils anyway. Fuck 'em up the ass. If I was a Muslim I wouldn't be thinking, "Hmm, I must be loud!" Not in this country. Not in this world. I'd be thinking I'll Anne Frank myself up in an attic if I can.

I would prefer if the so-called moderate Muslims like CAIR wouldn't be part of a conspiracy to help HAMAS and delude the rest of America into thinking that they're actually not helping HAMAS.

No, I'm not asking anyone to speak up. Just stop supporting terror.

I would, however, use the activity I posted in the links previous in this thread as a pretext for profiling and further surveillance.

Why?

Have you ever noticed that when someone gets shot, and the police find the dead body, they go looking for humans? Not dogs, cats, mice, rats, pigs, or even chimpanzees. Humans.

Oh, and sure - if you find another nut group fomenting shit, put them on the profiling list as well.

I would prefer if the so-called moderate Muslims like CAIR wouldn't be part of a conspiracy to help HAMAS and delude the rest of America into thinking that they're actually not helping HAMAS.

No, I'm not asking anyone to speak up. Just stop supporting terror.

Right right, if they don't shout out about how evil it is, they're "supporting terror" in a "conspiracy."

Whatever, troll.

I would, however, use the activity I posted in the links previous in this thread as a pretext for profiling and further surveillance.

Why?

Because civil liberties are something that's fun to argue against! Gets lots of attention! Ooh, look at me!

Have you ever noticed that when someone gets shot, and the police find the dead body, they go looking for humans? Not dogs, cats, mice, rats, pigs, or even chimpanzees. Humans.

And making stupid arguments is key to your style.

Humans are the only animals capable of attaining and using firearms. They are the only suspect specie. Muslims are not only not the only ones capable of supporting "terror," they are not a species and your implication that they are is bigoted trash designed to get the negative attention you so desperately, desperately crave. Might as well say, "Let's put a gold star on them LOL!"

Oh, and sure - if you find another nut group fomenting shit, put them on the profiling list as well.

Hop on yourself, if you really are the sadistic baby-killer you claim to be. Of course if you're just a mindless troll the only shit you foment is on NSG.

Right right, if they don't shout out about how evil it is, they're "supporting terror" in a "conspiracy."

Whatever, troll.


No. I'm not talking about shouting, or the lack thereof.

You obviously didn't read the earlier post.

Want to know what CAIR is really all about?

ver here, we have CAIR. You know, the unindicted HAMAS co-conspirators.

Dallas—In testimony Tuesday, FBI Agent Lara Burns reported before the jury in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) was listed as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee, right alongside HLF, the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), and the United Association for Studies and Research (UASR). Agent Lara Burns further testified that CAIR received money from HLF - a claim that Nihad Awad blatantly denied in a congressional testimony ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/nihad.pdf') in September of 2003.

Burns also said that both Omar Ahmed and Nihad Awad, CAIR co-founders ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/nihad.pdf') who today serve as CAIR’s chairman emeritus and executive director, respectively, were also listed as individual members [of] the Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee in America.

Awad and Ahmed are further connected to the Palestine Committee based on their positions as president and public relations director of the IAP, a Hamas front group that was responsible for the dissemination of propaganda, and has since been closed down as a result of a multi-million dollar civil judgment ('http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-12-09-slaying-suit_x.htm') in a trial involving the murder of an American teenager by HAMAS terrorists.

CAIR, which touts itself as America’s premier Muslim civil rights organization, was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the trial. Burns’ testimony so far has placed both Ahmed and Awad at a 1993 Philadelphia meeting ('http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/cair_executive_director_placed.php') where the HAMAS members and supporters discussed a strategy to kill the Oslo Peace Accords, which threatened to marginalize HAMAS. The group also discussed ways to improve HAMAS fundraising in America.

Government testimony regarding the role of CAIR reflects the prosecution’s attempt to prove that the HAMAS network in America was established through the Palestine Committee, or what the indictment called “a sub-group of active Muslim Brotherhood members of Palestinian origin.” The leader of this Committee was Musa Abu Marzook, a Specially Designated Terrorist since 1995, and Hamas’ current Deputy Political Bureau Chief. Through this committee, a number of organizations were established to promote HAMAS politically and financially, including HLF, IAP and UASR.

More about CAIR:

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/war_is_deception_1.php

On Monday, jurors in the terror support trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) were taken inside that 1993 meeting through transcripts obtained by the FBI. Federal agents were aware of the meeting and wired the Philadelphia hotel where it took place.

The meeting, called as the ink dried on the Oslo Peace accords in 1993, discussed at length how Islamists in the United States could help “derail” the deal. The pros and cons of the peace initiative, which established an autonomous Palestinian Authority, were not emphasized. Rather, the potential to isolate the Islamist movement, in this case HAMAS, appeared to be the primary concern.

The men discussed creating a new American organization to work on politics and public relations. The conversation was so sensitive, participants agreed not to discuss HAMAS by name. Rather, they agreed to reference “SAMAH,” HAMAS spelled backward. Or better yet, sister Samah.

“War is deception,” defendant Shukri Abu Bakr said. Abu Bakr was the HLF president until the organization’s assets were frozen in 2001 for its alleged support for terrorism. "Deceive, camouflage. Pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way. Deceive your enemy."

Also at the Philadelphia meeting, Omar Ahmad, a CAIR co-founder, who today serves as CAIR’s chairman emeritus, picked up on the theme, offering an analogy of a basketball player’s fake. “He makes a player believe he is doing this while he is doing something else,” Ahmad said. “I agree with you…like they say, politics is a completion of war.”

Jurors also saw a 2002 sworn statement from Abu Bakr submitted as part of a civil suit involving the HAMAS murder of an American teenager. In the statement, Abu Bakr dismissed the SAMAH/HAMAS references as silly, saying it was “a whimsical and ironic play on words” because SAMAH translates to “forgiveness.” The “Islamic intellectuals, academicians, community leaders and representatives of American Islamic organizations” had no reason to conceal their conversations, he said.

The transcripts, however, tell a different story. When a meeting participant mentions HAMAS by name, it is Abu Bakr who shoots back: “Didn’t we say not to mention that term?”
August 7, 2007 12:59 AM

Hop on yourself, if you really are the sadistic baby-killer you claim to be. Of course if you're just a mindless troll the only shit you foment is on NSG.

Never killed any babies - only people who shot at me first. That's perfectly legal.

Ya know, I try to keep an open mind. I know some perfectly nice reasonable Muslims.

But crap like this makes you think some funny stuff.
Is the reason Islam comes down so hard on feminists and anyone else who questions it's precept because they realize that most thinking men and women will abandon the religion if allowed to.

Yep. Leave Islam and we will kill you. The same for criticizing it.

Never killed any babies

Right, because if you had, you'd be the first to admit it.

- only people who shot at me first. That's perfectly legal.

"They're comin' right for us!"

But you're right, it's legal. Of course that doesn't change a damn thing I said and you know it.

But you're right, it's legal. Of course that doesn't change a damn thing I said and you know it.

Let me guess, if people were shooting at you, you would just stand there until they killed you.

Any terror attacks by agents of AIPAC in the US? No...


Any terror attacks by the 'Black Muslim bakery'? No..


BTW, the article seems to make it clear that it's not Nation of Islam (black Muslims who seem to be separate from Middle Eastern Islam), and a religious group that constantly refers to the Middle Eastern Islam.
Middle Eastern beliefs (accurate in Saudi)

More lies and distortions from our resident waste of skin? The article states

In the early 1960s, he began following the Islamic studies of the late Elijah Muhammad.

He moved back to Oakland, set up a bakery like his father before him and began spreading his religious beliefs. Bey formed his own Black Muslim group, though it never was affiliated with the Nation of Islam or its mosque in East Oakland, said mosque spokesman David Muhammad.


Doesn't sound like a gang - it sounds like radical Muslims who used criminal activity, violence, and violent intimidation to get their way:

Sounds more like a cult/cover for ciminal activity to me.


Never killed any babies - only people who shot at me first. That's perfectly legal.:

Yes, He-man, we believe you.


Let me guess, if people were shooting at you, you would just stand there until they killed you.
.:


No, I'd say he might take a leaf from your book and hit the 'quicksave'...

Are you going to tell us how you're THE MAN with small arms now? Cos that would be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me guess, if people were shooting at you, you would just stand there until they killed you.

I wouldn't be in a position where people need to shoot me in order to defend their nation.

And I wouldn't go bragging about it on a message board as "better than sex" and fap to the memories of intestines flying as being "hilarious." But then I'm neither a sadist nor a troll.

Well this reinforces my previous points on how dangerous and difficult, especially for Muslims themselves, to analyse and scrutinise the Islamic teachings.

I wouldn't be in a position where people need to shoot me in order to defend their nation.

And I wouldn't go bragging about it on a message board as "better than sex" and fap to the memories of intestines flying as being "hilarious." But then I'm neither a sadist nor a troll.

You don't have to be in someone else's country to have them shoot at you.

Dhimmi politicians...pathetic responses...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hyderabad/Dithering_cops_let_off_MIM_MLAs/articleshow/2273099.cms
Dithering cops let off MIM MLAs
11 Aug 2007, 0304 hrs IST,TNN

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HYDERABAD: MIM legislators openly abused Taslima Nasreen using unprintable language. They also attempted to assault her, and all this was watched by TV viewers all over the country. After the incident, a top MIM leader even threatened to behead the Bangladeshi writer if she stepped on Hyderabad soil. But Hyderabad’s police bosses are still seeking ‘legal opinion’ on how to deal with the offending legislators. They were booked under certain sections of the IPC, but let off shortly thereafter on bail.

Hyderabad police commissioner Balwinder Singh, when quizzed at a press conference about the whole issue, said; “We went through the reports of the utterances of the MIM leaders only this morning. We will seek legal opinion and take necessary action,” he said.:rolleyes:

The commissioner, however, was delivered a bouncer by newspersons: he was asked whether he would still seek legal opinion, if the same person threatened to behead him (the commissioner) if he visited the south zone limits in the city.

"Will you seek legal opinion if the same legislators issue a veiled threat to you?" the newspersons asked, leaving the police commissioner without a cover.

"Do not stretch the matter too far," the city police boss said reaching for a glass of water.

Balwinder Singh also found it difficult to reply why the accused were not booked under Sec 307 (attempt to murder) for allegedly making a pre-planned attack on the writer.

It may be recalled that Congress legislator P Janardhan Reddy’s son Vishnuvardhan Reddy was booked under Sec 307 in a road rage incident at Jubilee Hills a few days back. The complainant in the case was chief minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy’s brother.

"We cannot take suo motu notice of the case as an FIR was lodged by the complainant. The sections imposed are strictly according to the complaint and anybody is open to ask a lawyer if the case is being diluted," the city police commissioner said.

"If any lenience is found in slapping the sections we will take disciplinary action against the officials concerned," he added.

Balwinder Singh also said there was no intelligence failure resulting in the attack on Taslima Nasreen.
"The visit of any person or dignitary is intimated by the organisers and they did not inform the police about Taslima’s programme at the Press Club. It was a low-profile function and very few people attended it," Balwinder Singh said.

Interestingly, intelligence sleuths keep a watch at the press clubs at Basheerbagh and Somajiguda apart from other venues where most of the media conferences of various political and social organisation take place.

Meanwhile, journalist unions staged a demonstration at Basheerbagh protesting the attack on Taslima Nasreen. They deplored the Taliban-like situation created by the ‘fundamentalists’ and demanded action against the accused.
A rally was taken out from Press Club, Basheerbagh, to Ambedkar statue where an effigy of ‘fundamentalism’ was burnt.


And worse....case has been booked on Taslima for "hurting the sentiments of muslims"

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Taslima%20booked,%20MIM%20has%20it%20easy
Hyderabad, Aug. 10: The city police is going soft on Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) and Majlis Bachau Tehreek (MBT) leaders who made death threats to controversial Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen, but registered a case against the author. The Panjagutta police registered a case against Taslima on a complaint by MIM legislator Akbaruddin Owasi. The MLA alleged that Taslima had hurt the sentiments of the community with her writings and speeches against Islam. :rolleyes:Based on the complaint police booked as case under Section 153 (a) of IPC. Senior officials said that the case is under investigation.

MIM and MBT leaders had said on Thursday that Taslima would be killed the next time she visits the city, after three MIM legislators attacked the writer at a book release function here. “We are consulting legal experts for an opinion over the statements made by the leaders of both political parties after which appropriate action would be initiated,” said city police commissioner Balwinder Singh.

Senior officials agreed that the statements based on the content and intensity attract legal action. Sources said that the police was contemplating filing a case of criminal intimidation under section 506 of the IPC against MIM leaders including legislator Owasi and MBT spokesman Majidullah Khan Farhat for making provocative statements.

However, the offence is non-cognisable and the police is planning to move the court for an arrest warrant. Sources said that the police is collecting unedited videotapes in which the leaders made the threats. Officials had no reply as to only why cases were booked on only seven of the 15-odd people picked up after the incident and none were booked for attempt to murder.

“The case against the legislators were booked based on the complaint at the First Information report. We have not received any information supporting an attempt to murder of Taslima Nasreen by the accused. However, the chargesheet will be based on the investigations,” commissioner Singh said.

:headbang:

*snip*

Wrong-headed respect eh? ;)

Wrong-headed respect eh? ;)

Truth may be hypocritical depending on who is saying it. :)

You don't have to be in someone else's country to have them shoot at you.

Yeah, well I would have to be pretty much in someone else's country to shoot at them with a coaxial machine gun. And I would have to be a sadistic fuck to get all horny about how their intestines fly up like you apparently do.

Truth may be hypocritical depending on who is saying it. :)

This is true and point taken :)

It is a Muslim problem, insofar as it seems to be the norm and not the exception of behavior in many countries across the globe. When you have, in multiple countries across the world, the leaders of any other large religious group systemically making it a religious duty to murder people who speak against their beliefs, let me know.

You have government leaders supporting this behavior, you have clerics supporting this behavior, and there is an extraordinarily loud silence about the appropriateness of the behavior from the moderates we are told (and hope) exist. And if others of the Muslim faith do not band together and shout as loudly as these nutters, "This is wrong!" then how can you blame non-Muslims for believing that this is exactly what is believed and approved of?

It is a Muslim problem in the sense that there needs to be reform and housecleaning, and it doesn't appear to be happening... and in fact the extremism seems to be spreading.
Welcome to the wonderful admixture of religion and politics. Gosh, I guess that must be why the founders of the US decided to ban that.

History shows us that Islam did not invent any of these abuses. They did not invent theocracy. They did not invent religiously motivated murder. They did not invent violent hatred of non-believers. They did not invent torture and execution of heretics or apostates. They did not invent feeding the superstitions of a dissatisfied public and then rousing them to violent actions against a randomly selected scapegoat. They did not invent violent and murderous oppression of women in the name of religion. They did not invent religious war.

In other words, they are not the first, and in my cynical moments, I fear they will not be the last to threaten the world in this way.

I have said in the past many times, and I say again now: The only reason we have to deal with the threat coming out of Islam now is because it's Islam's turn to be the pain in the world's ass.

Insisting that all this is happening only because of Islam specifically is not only an inaccuracy that blurs our own understanding of our enemy, it also plays into the propaganda of the extremists and fans the flames of conflict rather than get the flames under control.

EDIT: Or if not under control, at least to miminize the damage they do as they burn themselves out. And history again shows us that they always burn themselves out, though, terrifyingly, it often takes more than a century.

What does 'blacken' mean exactly? Cover in shoe-polish?

If so, Taslima should blacken her own face and collect the reward.

I think it means beat her up (Black and Blue) if so she should get some makeup to fake it or fall down the stairs. Then have someone claim they did it. Or let them give money to the stairs.

The guy who 'beat her up' will be a hero, which then he can walk up to the guy that gave the fatwa and strangle him.

Oh, right. And if they don't shout, they don't exist.

I guess that's why religious discussion is so mature. It's not about what you say, it's about how loud you shout and how much media attention you get.



Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and the people who believe the extremist minority speaks for the majority are the kinds who think Muslims are blood-sucking terrorist devils anyway. Fuck 'em up the ass. If I was a Muslim I wouldn't be thinking, "Hmm, I must be loud!" Not in this country. Not in this world. I'd be thinking I'll Anne Frank myself up in an attic if I can.



Suppose you're an atheist. Suppose I'm an atheist too. Why do I have to clean up your shit? If you kill someone and say belief in no-god made you do it, do I have to shout and wave my arms and say no, that's bullshit? Why? Why can't I just fucking live my life? Why is it suddenly my duty to be a PR officer? And why if I don't become a PR officer do people like you feel the compelling need to accuse me of being a murderer?

Show me where I said anything about all Muslims being murderers?
Why the attack? Because I said people should say, "hey, we don't think this is right?"

What's the big deal? Christians step up and point at the Phelpses of the world and say, "Nut job."

Why get angry at me for saying, "Hey, where are all the people who supposedly DON'T support this?" Why get angry for questioning Muslims? People question Christians left right and center and THAT'S fine, but omg, we question the Muslims and we're all racists?

Really, grow up.

Show me where I said anything about all Muslims being murderers?

The issue here is defense of "non-Muslims" for believing that all Muslims "believed and approved of" terrorism and extremism, even going so far as to imply the moderates are "hope"d to exist, all due to the "loud silence."

Why the attack? Because I said people should say, "hey, we don't think this is right?"

No one ever expects me to bellow out how morally wrong I think terrorism, or rape, or murder, or theft is. More to the point, people don't assume I'm a terrorist, rapist, murderer or thief just because I don't.

What's the big deal? Christians step up and point at the Phelpses of the world and say, "Nut job."

They aren't obligated to. I know plenty of Christians whose opinion on the matter has been one of a "loud silence," that doesn't mean I should assume they support and believe in Phelps.

Why get angry at me for saying, "Hey, where are all the people who supposedly DON'T support this?"

I haven't heard anyone denounce the Holocaust recently. Where are all the people who, supposedly, we hope, denounce it? You must be a Holocaust supporter and/or denier, because you haven't been denouncing to my satisfaction. How's that work out?

People question Christians left right and center and THAT'S fine, but omg, we question the Muslims and we're all racists?

I didn't mention racism.

And you are not "questioning" Muslims - there aren't any here, at least none willing to speak up yet. You are defending the bigotry and bias of "non-Muslims" and of course implying that there are, in fact, no "moderates."

Christianity's got nothing to do with this.

Really, grow up.

I know, I know - I'm childlike and immature for disagreeing here. It's the Muslim conspiracy.

In high school English, I always felt that my writing was being attacked by the MLA as well.

The issue here is defense of "non-Muslims" for believing that all Muslims "believed and approved of" terrorism and extremism, even going so far as to imply the moderates are "hope"d to exist, all due to the "loud silence."



No one ever expects me to bellow out how morally wrong I think terrorism, or rape, or murder, or theft is. More to the point, people don't assume I'm a terrorist, rapist, murderer or thief just because I don't.



They aren't obligated to. I know plenty of Christians whose opinion on the matter has been one of a "loud silence," that doesn't mean I should assume they support and believe in Phelps.



I haven't heard anyone denounce the Holocaust recently. Where are all the people who, supposedly, we hope, denounce it? You must be a Holocaust supporter and/or denier, because you haven't been denouncing to my satisfaction. How's that work out?



I didn't mention racism.

And you are not "questioning" Muslims - there aren't any here, at least none willing to speak up yet. You are defending the bigotry and bias of "non-Muslims" and of course implying that there are, in fact, no "moderates."

Christianity's got nothing to do with this.



I know, I know - I'm childlike and immature for disagreeing here. It's the Muslim conspiracy.

What, you want to beat me for expressing an opinion? Jeez. So sorry I don't know my place -- not.

Dhimmitude in action.

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Owaisi%20to%20be%20arrested,%20cops%20fear%20hostility
Owaisi to be arrested, cops fear hostility


Hyderabad, Aug. 12: The police obtained approval from a city court to take up investigations into the death threats made to Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen by Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen legislator Akbaruddin Owaisi but moved slowly, gathering evidence of the widely televised threats citing additional court procedures. Police has gathered video footage of Mr Owaisi’s statement claming that Taslima would be killed the next time she returns to the city as “further evidence.”

Sources stated that the arrest is likely to be made after court directions on Monday. There was another line of opinion that the legislator may surrender to avoid giving the police the upper hand. At the time of going to press, top officials were in discussion over what line the police should take. Earlier, police obtained permission from the 14th additional chief metropolitan magistrate to take up investigation in the criminal intimidation case booked against Mr Owaisi under Section 506 of IPC. For this, the police reportedly submitted a report on the incident to the court.

“The evidence including video footage of various television channels and newspaper clippings will be submitted to the court to support the case. The court might summon the accused and seek an explanation,” a senior police official said. “If the court is satisfied with the evidence we might be directed to arrest him for investigation. The court will also check if the legislator meant what he said or was it an outburst of emotion,” the official said.

The official also expressed fear that if the evidence the police submitted was not strong enough, Mr Owaisi might easily get bail. The police is also worrying about possible law and order problems if Mr Owaisi is arrested. The police suspects that Mr Owaisi might resist the arrest, further muddying a sensitive situation.

Officials want to avoid criticism from the community that the police was overreacting by arresting Mr Owaisi while not moving on a case that he filed against Taslima. City police commissioner Balwinder Singh, who has came under severe criticism over the case, chose to remain tight-lipped. “The investigations are on, we are in the process of gathering evidence,” he said. Police is questioning eyewitnesses to the incident, mainly mediapersons.

overreacting...OVERREACTING...my mind BOGGLES.

A person threatens to kill somebody on a camera and physically tries to assault a woman and beats people trying to protect her and arresting him is overreaction ????

This article explains what's gonna happen...sadly what he says is true...also gives some background info on the political part involved.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=swapan%2Fswapan159%2Etxt&writer=swapan
Why MIM will go scotfree


Those familiar with Hyderabad will tell you that there are two faces of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM), the Owaisi family-led organisation that exercises a stranglehold over the city's Muslim community. There is the acceptable face comprising a network of educational institutions and healthcare centres. The flip side is not so much in evidence on the main roads but surfaces in the by-lanes of the old city. Here, a lingering nostalgia for the good old days of the Nizam - including the hero worship of the Razakar supremo Kasim Rizvi who left for Pakistan in 1948 - blends with an exclusivist and aggressive Islamism, loosely of the kind practised by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Sixty years ago, the Razakars fought a brutal and rearguard battle against Hyderabad being usurped by democracy. Sardar Vallabbhai Patel, who was not inclined to be indulgent towards trouble-makers just because they spoke poetic Urdu, sent the Army into Hyderabad State in 1948 and instructed the miserly Nizam to be content with a handsome privy purse. Hyderabad was integrated into the Indian Union and soon assumed the new Telugu identity of Andhra Pradesh.

The remnants of the Razakar movement - those who didn't join the exodus to Pakistan - lay low till the 1960s and then slowly regrouped. The revanchists found an inspiring leader in Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi. He transformed the MIM from a fringe group to the status of a dominant one among the Muslims of Hyderabad. The MIM has held the Hyderabad Lok Sabha seat since 1971 and controls five of its Assembly segments. It has ruthlessly crushed any challenge from other Muslim organisations and converted the old city into a veritable no-go area for other political parties and even law enforcement agencies. The Hyderabad police, by and large, is unable to enter MIM strongholds - a reason why many undesirables use the area as havens.

It is the existence of this bizarre Islamic state in the heart of the Andhra Pradesh capital that explains the defiant reaction of MIM legislators to the assault on Bangladeshi dissident Tasleema Nasreen last Thursday. The brazenness with which Akbaruddin Owaisi, the leader of MIM in the Assembly, declared that "it is legitimate to kill Tasleema Nasreen under Islamic law, but unfortunately we couldn't do it" reveals two things. First, to the MIM and the Owaisis, their version of Islamic law takes precedence over Indian laws. Second, the competitive extremism witnessed in Hyderabad is an indication that the State is confronted by the unique problem of the emotional secession of an entire ghetto from India.

These conclusions are not over-reactions. All over India, indulgent political parties fearful of offending minority sentiments have permitted Islamist ghettos where the writ of the State does not run. Initially, this belief was couched in tacit acceptance of the "one country, many systems" principle. However, of late, this has degenerated into accommodation of radical Islamism, including terrorism.

It is, for example, one thing to shed tears for a Bollywood star whose family is linked to the Congress. However, the secularist demand for the exoneration of Sanjay Dutt (and one of the Memon brothers) is also coupled with the claim that the March 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai were, somehow, a legitimate reaction to the January 1993 riots. Read with the courting of the Al-Ummah chief after he was (predictably) acquitted in the Coimbatore blasts case and the continuing Government inaction over the death sentence for convicted terrorist Afzal Guru, the alarming indication is that votebank politics is moving in a dangerous direction and now includes mollycoddling terrorists.

I don't believe any real action will be taken against the MIM activists who assaulted Tasleema. On the contrary, the furore over her alleged blasphemy is almost certain to result in either the cancellation or non-renewal of her tourist visa. The Razakars are on the verge of a famous victory which, ironically, will enhance their reputation as the real protectors of the faith.