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as you may or may not of heard already there is a bit of a disagreement over who has rights to the resources in the arctic.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/02/arctic.sub.reut/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/09/canada.arctic.ap/index.html

an area on the globe that no one really cared about until they discovered something of value there.

so who in your opinion should be allowed to claim the resources?

Me. I own the Arctic. ;)

Or do an Antarctica on it.

Personally, I think we should declare it the property of the indigenous people of the region and let them do what they want with it. The last thing we need is a bunch of greedy Russians, Canadians, Americans or whoever ruining one of the last really unspoiled places on Earth.

as you may or may not of heard already there is a bit of a disagreement over who has rights to the resources in the arctic.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/02/arctic.sub.reut/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/09/canada.arctic.ap/index.html

an area on the globe that no one really cared about until they discovered something of value there.

so who in your opinion should be allowed to claim the resources?

My opinion? Noone. I believe the arctic isn't anyone's territory. It should be left alone.

In truth? Antarctica has numerous enclaves divided up amongst Britain, the US, Russia, etc, each with their own claims and sizes on territory. There was an agreement however that this territory would never be used for warfare (See Antarctic Treaty).

EDIT:

The Russians have supposedly claimed that they are going to annex the North pole....just an additional piece of info. However I believe its just sabre rattling to piss off the West.

All Of Ur Arktiks Belongs To Me!!1! Sorry, but someone had to say it

Give it to the Jews! :)

Do the same thing that was done with Antarctica and the Moon.

surely it just counts as internatonal waters where the ice is not within the waters of Russia/US/Canada/Greenland/Finland/Norway?

Aside from islands, which are already possessions, the arctic is technically an ocean, albeit a periodically frozen one, and the same rules should be applied to it as to all other oceans.

Arthur: Please, please, good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
Dennis' Mother: No one lives there.
Arthur: Then who is your lord?
Dennis' Mother: We don't have a lord.
Arthur: What?!
Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort-of-executive officer for the week...

Me. I own the Arctic. ;)

Or do an Antarctica on it.

Hey! It's mine! I challenge you to a duel of the fists! Or maybe pistols at dawn. Your pick.

Personally, I think we should declare it the property of the indigenous people of the region and let them do what they want with it. The last thing we need is a bunch of greedy Russians, Canadians, Americans or whoever ruining one of the last really unspoiled places on Earth.
But... oil?

Hey! It's mine! I challenge you to a duel of the fists! Or maybe pistols at dawn. Your pick.
I claimed it first! :mad: *throws an apple pie at Pan-Arab Barronia's face* :)

Personally, I think we should declare it the property of the indigenous people of the region and let them do what they want with it. The last thing we need is a bunch of greedy Russians, Canadians, Americans or whoever ruining one of the last really unspoiled places on Earth.
Er... I don't think that we have somebody to call as "indigenous peoples" of the Arctic... (unless you count me! haha!) The Arctic is a sea, and frozen to boot...

My opinion? Noone. I believe the arctic isn't anyone's territory. It should be left alone.

In truth? Antarctica has numerous enclaves divided up amongst Britain, the US, Russia, etc, each with their own claims and sizes on territory. There was an agreement however that this territory would never be used for warfare (See Antarctic Treaty).
You put Australia and NZ in 'etc. We own over 70% of it together.

I claimed it first! :mad: *throws an apple pie at Pan-Arab Barronia's face* :)

You fiend! *Hides* :)


Er... I don't think that we have somebody to call as "indigenous peoples" of the Arctic... (unless you count me! haha!) The Arctic is a sea, and frozen to boot...

What about them esquimos?

All sillyness aside, I beleive the Russians are most likely to end up with it. As I understand, they have defacto control of it anyhow. They want it more than anyone else, and are best equipped to take it.

Experiment: Sail a Nuculer sub to the north pole

Aim: To see who owns it by retaliating.

Equipment: 1 Nuculear sub

Method: (1) Sail 1 nuculear submarine to the north pole. (2) Observe.

Hypothesis: Russia will politely sink it to the bottom of the frozen-over seas.

You fiend! *Hides* :)
*readies the pie catapult*

What about them esquimos?
Os esquimós do not live in the area that is being disputed, they live on the land surrounding the ocean. What them countries are trying to claim is the Arctic Ocean, along with the North Pole.

All sillyness aside, I beleive the Russians are most likely to end up with it. As I understand, they have defacto control of it anyhow. They want it more than anyone else, and are best equipped to take it.

Experiment: Sail a Nuculer sub to the north pole

Aim: To see who owns it by retaliating.

Equipment: 1 Nuculear sub

Method: (1) Sail 1 nuculear submarine to the north pole. (2) Observe.

Hypothesis: Russia will politely sink it to the bottom of the frozen-over seas.
Nuculer? ;) [/spelling nazi]

Hmph. Russia's getting greedy again. As if they don't have control of so much natural gas already.

Nuculer? ;) [/spelling nazi] Foreign keyboard. You'll notice it a lot today.

Hmph. Russia's getting greedy again. As if they don't have control of so much natural gas already.Well, 'more is more'.

*readies the pie catapult*

*shudders, before cowering some more behind a snow berm*

Os esquimós do not live in the area that is being disputed, they live on the land surrounding the ocean. What them countries are trying to claim is the Arctic Ocean, along with the North Pole.

Ah, I see. But then, theoretically, couldn't someone reverse Russia's claim by stealing their flag from the bottom of the arctic? After all, seeing as Russia resorts to the old "my flag is here, ergo it's mine" thing.

I wonder how they'd react to me planting a Union Flag on the floor as I got off a plane at Moscow? Other than with a KGB bullet to the skull, obviously.

Well, 'more is more'.
Hmmm... let me get Denmark to invade Russia... ;)

Ah, I see. But then, theoretically, couldn't someone reverse Russia's claim by stealing their flag from the bottom of the arctic? After all, seeing as Russia resorts to the old "my flag is here, ergo it's mine" thing.

I wonder how they'd react to me planting a Union Flag on the floor as I got off a plane at Moscow? Other than with a KGB bullet to the skull, obviously.
Well, by Russia's logic, America owns the moon.

Or if I could just draw Slovakia's coat of arms on that flag...

Santa owns the Arctic.

From Wikipedia:

Santa’s main distribution center is a sight to behold. At 4 million square feet, it’s one of the world’s largest facilities. A real-time warehouse management system is of course required to run such a complex. The facility makes extensive use of task interleaving, literally combining dozens of DC activities (putaway, replenishing, order picking, sleigh loading, cycle counting) in a dynamic queue...the DC elves have been on engineered standards and incentives for three years, leading to a 12% gain in productivity...The WMS and transportation system are fully integrated, allowing (the elves) to make optimal decisions that balance transportation and order picking and other DC costs. Unbeknownst to many, Santa actually has to use many sleighs and fake Santa drivers to get the job done Christmas Eve, and the TMS optimally builds thousands of consolidated sacks that maximize cube utilization and minimize total air miles

And of course, we all know it is located at the North Pole.

Others may believe that he has a house in Spain - but these same people believe that Santa rides around breaking into people's houses in the company of five or six large black men, who beat bad children, kidnap them, and sell them into slavery in Spain.

Others may believe that he has a house in Spain - but these same people believe that Santa rides around breaking into people's houses in the company of five or six large black men, who beat bad children, kidnap them, and sell them into slavery in Spain.
Is that where the elves come from?

I do, I just let every else borrow it. For now....

From Wikipedia:

:confused:

Is that where the elves come from?

No, elves are part of the North Pole story.

No, elves are part of the North Pole story.
Well, if you wanted to make them part of the spanish story then that would also explain it.

Well, if you wanted to make them part of the spanish story then that would also explain it.

Elves don't really come off as "five or six large black men"...

*shudders, before cowering some more behind a snow berm*



Ah, I see. But then, theoretically, couldn't someone reverse Russia's claim by stealing their flag from the bottom of the arctic? After all, seeing as Russia resorts to the old "my flag is here, ergo it's mine" thing.

I wonder how they'd react to me planting a Union Flag on the floor as I got off a plane at Moscow? Other than with a KGB bullet to the skull, obviously.

Correction: You mean the FSB... :rolleyes:

Elves don't really come off as "five or six large black men"...
No, the children he abducts, silly.

Correction: You mean the FSB... :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's what I said. KGB. :p

No, the children he abducts, silly.

Possible. But I think a lot of children would like becoming elves, and living with Santa.

Possible. But I think a lot of children would like becoming elves, and living with Santa.
They're still being abducted. And I'm sure that after a while, being slave labour for a big fat man would lose its charm.

Yeah, that's what I said. KGB. :p

Riigghhht... :D

They're still being abducted. And I'm sure that after a while, being slave labour for a big fat man would lose its charm.

not if he feeds them candy all the time.

what was the topic of this thread again?:D

Give it to the Jews! :)

Shhh your giving away the secret plan. The Jews are responsible for global warming, as its part of thier master plan to melt the icecaps and create amazing new waterfront real estate opportunities.

Whoever homesteads it, i.e. turns it to productive use.

Obviously the penguins own the arctic, and by god we'll kill every last one of those bastards... ¬¬

Alternitively, we can drain all the oil out of it, and whoever still wants it afterwards is obviously the one who owns it. :D

Ideally, something along similar lines to the Antarctic Treaty should be established. Realistically, though, whoever can successfully defend their claim - be it politically or militarily - will ultimately get it.

not if he feeds them candy all the time.
I think they'd begin to get unhappy when their teeth start rotting out in that case. I suppose after that point, he'd have to move them up to eggnog.