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Endeavour's in Orbit!

NERVUN
09-08-2007, 03:49
She made it up safely.

Shuttle launches with teacher aboard
By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer 42 minutes ago

Space shuttle Endeavour roared into orbit Wednesday carrying teacher-astronaut Barbara Morgan, who was finally fulfilling the dream of Christa McAuliffe and the rest of the fallen Challenger crew.

Endeavour and its crew of seven rose from the seaside pad at 6:36 p.m., right on time, and pierced a solidly blue sky. They are expected to reach the international space station on Friday.

Once Endeavour was safely past the 73-second mark of the flight, the moment when Challenger exploded shortly after the call "Go at throttle up," Mission Control exclaimed that Morgan was "racing toward space on the wings of a legacy."

Immediately after the shuttle reached orbit, Mission Control announced: "For Barbara Morgan and her crewmates, class is in session."

Morgan, now 55, was McAuliffe's backup for Challenger's doomed launch in 1986. Even after two space shuttle disasters, she never swayed in her dedication to NASA and the agency's on-and-off quest to send a schoolteacher into space. She rocketed away in the center seat of the cabin's lower compartment, the same seat that had been occupied by McAuliffe.

McAuliffe's mother, Grace Corrigan, watched the launch on TV from her home in Massachusetts. "I'm very happy that it went up safely," she said. "We all send her our love," she added, her voice breaking.

More than half of NASA's 114 Teacher-in-Space nominees in 1985 gathered at the launch site, along with hundreds of other educators.

Also on hand was the widow of Challenger commander Dick Scobee. She said earlier in the day that she would be praying and pacing at liftoff and would not relax until Morgan was safely back on Earth in two weeks.

The Challenger crew "would be so happy with Barbara Morgan," June Scobee Rodgers said. "It's important that the lessons will be taught because there's a nation of people waiting, still, who remember where they were when we lost the Challenger and they remember a teacher was aboard."

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin met Tuesday night with several members of the Challenger astronaut families who were in town for the launch — although not with the McAuliffe family.

After liftoff, Education Secretary Margaret Spellings sent congratulations from Washington and called Morgan "an inspiring example for our next generation of teachers, scientists, engineers, innovators and entrepreneurs."

Midway through the flight, Morgan will speak with students in Idaho, where she taught elementary classes before moving to Houston in 1998 to train as a full-fledged astronaut, the first teacher to do so. If the mission is extended from 11 days to 14 days as planned, she will have a chance to answer questions from students in two other states.

But Morgan's main responsibility in orbit will be to her commander, Navy Cmdr. Scott Kelly. She will help operate Endeavour's robot arm and oversee the transfer of cargo from the shuttle to the station. The rest of the crew will be busy installing a huge square-shaped beam to the exterior of the station and replacing a broken gyroscope. Three and possibly four spacewalks are planned.

"There's a lot of work, a lot of challenges in front of us, but I think this is a great way to start out," NASA's space operations chief, Bill Gerstenmaier, said after the shuttle reached orbit.

The space station is currently more than half finished. NASA plans to wrap up construction in 2010 when the shuttle program ends.

Endeavour's astronauts also will use a 50-foot laser boom on the end of the robot arm to inspect the shuttle's wings, nose and belly. The scan for damage from fuel-tank insulating foam and other debris from launch, or micrometeorites in space, has been standard procedure ever since Columbia's catastrophic re-entry in 2003.

A preliminary check of launch video showed four or five small pieces of debris falling off the external fuel tank, but it occurred too late in the launch to pose any threat to the shuttle, NASA officials said.

NASA is hoping a successful flight will draw some attention away from the rash of embarrassments it has faced this year, most recently a NASA-commissioned medical panel's report suggesting astronauts were intoxicated on launch day on at least two occasions.

Griffin said NASA is investigating the anonymous allegations. The space agency's top safety official has gone back 10 years through every shuttle flight and can find no flight surgeon, astronaut or document hinting at launch day drinking by a crew member, he said.

No evidence has been found yet for astronaut drinking right before a Russian Soyuz flight, either, he said.

"This is not a credible scenario. They're on TV. We just watched them having breakfast," Griffin said early Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Endeavour astronauts.

"The charges seem uncredible, and it also seems uncredible that somebody would just make it up. That's why it's so puzzling and that's why it's serious and that's why we will investigate."

This is Endeavour's first flight since 2002. The shuttle underwent a massive overhaul and was outfitted with complete satellite navigation, improved main engine monitoring equipment, and a new system for transferring power from the station to the shuttle. The extra power will allow the shuttle to remain docked at the space station longer than ever before.

Besides Morgan and commander Kelly, the crew also includes Marine Lt. Col. Charles Hobaugh, the copilot; Rick Mastracchio, Tracy Caldwell, Air Force Col. Alvin Drew and Canadian physician Dave Williams.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_re_us/space_shuttle

As someone who watched Challenger explode on TV and as a teacher, I'm glad to see the dream finally being fulfilled and wish Endeavour's crew godspeed and to come home safely.
Fassigen
09-08-2007, 03:58
Being impressed with space flight is so 60s.
Vetalia
09-08-2007, 03:59
Being impressed with space flight is so 60s.

All the cool kids are talking about nanotechnology.

Even so, this is a great accomplishment. I can't wait until they develop the shuttle replacements and send the first human flight to Mars...
Fassigen
09-08-2007, 04:04
All the cool kids are talking about nanotechnology.

Nano is so 90s. Pico, anyone?

Even so, this is a great accomplishment. I can't wait until they develop the shuttle replacements and send the first human flight to Mars...

By the rate these things are going, I guess you'll wait until at least your 40s. Probably 60s. Space just isn't all that cool any more.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
09-08-2007, 04:56
Nano is so 90s. Pico, anyone?



By the rate these things are going, I guess you'll wait until at least your 40s. Probably 60s. Space just isn't all that cool any more.


Cool should not be a reason for reduced presence space.
Posi
09-08-2007, 05:03
Nano is so 90s. Pico, anyone?
lolcat technology. You assemble grammatically blasphemous 'sentences' with tiny, atom-sized bukkets.
By the rate these things are going, I guess you'll wait until at least your 40s. Probably 60s. Space just isn't all that cool any more.Just Photoshop/GIMP yourself into a picture of Mars while saying something profound (such as "i r on ur mars cant abil to beeth lol") and lolcat technology will take care of the rest.
Vetalia
09-08-2007, 05:04
Nano is so 90s. Pico, anyone?

Yeah, I'm still a little behind...I still own about 3 million shares of Excite.com.

By the rate these things are going, I guess you'll wait until at least your 40s. Probably 60s. Space just isn't all that cool any more.

Maybe we need to mention the quintillions of dollars worth of raw materials floating around in near-Earth orbit unclaimed with zero environmental laws to restrict their exploitation...
Posi
09-08-2007, 05:07
Maybe we need to mention the quintillions of dollars worth of raw materials floating around in near-Earth orbit unclaimed with zero environmental laws to restrict their exploitation...space can has profit?
Vetalia
09-08-2007, 05:22
space can has profit?

Oh...God...yes. Yes it does. One near-Earth asteroid has enough iron-nickel in it to meet world demand at current levels for millions of years. It's worth more than 1,000,000 times the entire GDP of the planet.
Posi
09-08-2007, 05:26
Oh...God...yes. Yes it does. One near-Earth asteroid has enough iron-nickel in it to meet world demand at current levels for millions of years. It's worth more than 1,000,000 times the entire GDP of the planet.i bild space ship brb
Vetalia
09-08-2007, 05:35
i bild space ship brb

http://eidolons.net/wp-content/_www.lolcats.com_img_47951663329505990280.jpg
Non Aligned States
09-08-2007, 06:48
And as the nations of man squabble over earth's depleting resources, lolcats are staking their claims on Jupiter's moons. :p
New Malachite Square
09-08-2007, 07:15
And as the nations of man squabble over earth's depleting resources, lolcats are staking their claims on Jupiter's moons. :p

On that topic… I have a friend (no, seriously :D) who's cat's name is Callista… that's practically a moon.
Non Aligned States
09-08-2007, 07:25
On that topic… I have a friend (no, seriously :D) who's cat's name is Callista… that's practically a moon.

That's no moon! :eek:

http://www.worksofwonder.biz/catstar1.jpg
Maraque
09-08-2007, 07:27
I really want to go to space. It would be rad.
Wilgrove
09-08-2007, 07:29
I really want to go to space. It would be rad.

Well just fork over several million dollars and you can!
Maraque
09-08-2007, 07:37
Well just fork over several million dollars and you can! I can barely feed myself, let alone spend (reportedly) $20 million on a seat in the space shuttle. :p
New Malachite Square
09-08-2007, 07:38
That's no moon! :eek:

http://www.worksofwonder.biz/catstar1.jpg

The alternate sequence of events I assume you have proposed would have resulted in an infinitely better movie.

P.S. Hmm, catstar1, I shall have to investigate further.
P.P.S. Damn.
Barringtonia
09-08-2007, 07:39
i bild space ship brb

Can I has pasngerz seat?
Non Aligned States
09-08-2007, 08:00
The alternate sequence of events I assume you have proposed would have resulted in an infinitely better movie.

P.S. Hmm, catstar1, I shall have to investigate further.
P.P.S. Damn.

"Do not be overly impressed with this techno-feline terror you have constructed"
"I find your lack of catness disturbing"

"Behold the power of this fully armed and operational catstation!"
"Meow"
"Our shields can't deflect licking of that magnitude!"

:p
Philosopy
09-08-2007, 08:47
Shuttle launches with teacher aboard

Could they not have waited the extra five minutes for her to get off again?
Dinaverg
09-08-2007, 09:04
Well just fork over several million dollars and you can!

Wait. Outer space space or "you're above 99.99999% of the atmosphere" space?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
09-08-2007, 09:10
I can barely feed myself, let alone spend (reportedly) $20 million on a seat in the space shuttle. :p

Just be patient. The price will probably be down to $18m by Christmas. :p
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
09-08-2007, 09:12
Wait. Outer space space or "you're above 99.99999% of the atmosphere" space?

That's a good point. These planes that skim the outer edge of "space" are a crock. I'll buy a ticket when they go 'round the Moon. :p No one could say you hadn't been to space then.
Similization
09-08-2007, 10:19
I really want to go to space. It would be rad.Only if you get hit by solar winds...
Aryavartha
09-08-2007, 10:33
I saw the take off. I could actually see the after-burners/thrusters/whatever coming off and hear sonic booms.
The Infinite Dunes
09-08-2007, 10:34
I can barely feed myself, let alone spend (reportedly) $20 million on a seat in the space shuttle. :pDon't listen to him, just wait a few years and fly Virgin Galactic. For getting you 100km high they only charge $200,000. I can't imagine the the price would increase by 100 times just for them to get you into orbit.

I wonder if their space shuttles have space hostesses who give you patronising instruction on how to fit your seat belt and use your vomit bag.
Andaras Prime
09-08-2007, 10:44
She made it up safely.


Yeah, just wait till reentry.
Captain Asinine
09-08-2007, 10:47
I can't read it, I only speak english. Translation please?
Risottia
09-08-2007, 12:57
All the cool kids are talking about nanotechnology.


Nanotech sucks. Protein physics is far more "cutting edge".

Also, cool kids are about quantum computing and prime numbers theory.



Even so, this is a great accomplishment.
Yeah, managing to make that old hunk of junk fly is a great engineering feat. The shuttle is so... well... let's say that I'd feel safer flying in an Apollo/Saturn V, or a Sojuz.


I can't wait until they develop the shuttle replacements and send the first human flight to Mars...

New big advance towards full functionality of the ISS: the ESA ATV (the first fully automated orbital cargo system)! It will be launched by the Ariane 5.

Next year: fully functional ISS.
Next 10 years: permanent moon base and orbital spacedocks.
Next 20 years: humans on Mars.

Nice, neh?
Risottia
09-08-2007, 13:01
I can barely feed myself, let alone spend (reportedly) $20 million on a seat in the space shuttle. :p

I think that only the russkie send tourists to the ISS. They use the three-seater Sojuz and charge 20M$ for that.
Non Aligned States
09-08-2007, 13:03
Next year: fully functional ISS.
Next 10 years: permanent moon base and orbital spacedocks.
Next 20 years: humans on Mars.

Nice, neh?

We can all dream.

My money is on China doing it first if by some miracle, the whole peak oil crisis vanishes or is subverted.

America wouldn't get anywhere near the moon again until someone else they can't threaten gets there first or is about to get there.
Rambhutan
09-08-2007, 13:03
The astronauts should just about be sober by now...
NERVUN
09-08-2007, 13:11
I can't read it, I only speak english. Translation please?
As you wish:

エンデバー打ち上げ成功 「宇宙の先生」も搭乗

2007年08月09日10時07分

 米航空宇宙局(NASA)のスペースシャトル・エンデバーが米東部時間8日午後6時36分(日本時間9日午前7時36分)、ケネディ宇宙センターから打ち上げられた。約45分後に予定の軌道に入り、打ち上げは成 功した。

写真打ち上げられたスペースシャトル・エンデバー=ケネディ宇宙センターで、AP

 エンデバーにはスコット・ケリー船長(43)ら7人が搭乗。国際宇宙ステーション(ISS)に骨組みなどを追加し、故障中の姿勢制御装置を新品と交換する。14日にはバーバラ・モーガン飛行士(55)の「宇宙授 業」も予定されている。

 飛行期間は約11日間の予定だが、約14日間に延長される可能性もある。
Risottia
09-08-2007, 13:18
We can all dream.
La vida es sueño. (Calderón de la Barca)


My money is on China doing it first if by some miracle, the whole peak oil crisis vanishes or is subverted.

Meh. China isn't quite cutting edge about space. My money is on a joint ESA/RosKosmos/NASA, just like the ISS - a single country hasn't enough budget to build, man and refuel a permanent lunar base.

America wouldn't get anywhere near the moon again until someone else they can't threaten gets there first or is about to get there.

The NASA has more pressing issues than the moon, I think. Like replacing the shuttle with something less expensive, safer and more effective.
Krahe
09-08-2007, 13:23
I do think that we'll be going back to the moon. Probably not by the date proposed, but we will be going back. Mars still has too many problems that they need to overcome - I don't know if that will be happening for a while...

As for the shuttle replacement, it's progressing nicely - there's an office in my building that has a countdown clock running for the first tests of the Ares rocket. First tests will be the escape system, which is scheduled for sometime late next year...
Maineiacs
09-08-2007, 14:21
Well, since Columbia we have to worry about getting them up safe and getting them back down in one piece.
Auman
09-08-2007, 14:26
Endeavour took off safely after a Yuktobanian attack. Her missions is to arm the Arkbird with a laser cannon so that the Glorious Osean Military can effectively defeat the threat of the Scinfaxi.

God damn n00bs, get your current events straight.
Maineiacs
09-08-2007, 15:44
Endeavour took off safely after a Yuktobanian attack. Her missions is to arm the Arkbird with a laser cannon so that the Glorious Osean Military can effectively defeat the threat of the Scinfaxi.

God damn n00bs, get your current events straight.

Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard.
Dakini
09-08-2007, 15:45
Even so, this is a great accomplishment. I can't wait until they develop the shuttle replacements and send the first human flight to Mars...
There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"
Non Aligned States
09-08-2007, 16:06
The NASA has more pressing issues than the moon, I think. Like replacing the shuttle with something less expensive, safer and more effective.

Not really. NASA is still beholden to American politics. Look what happened after the USSR gave up on the moon project. American's lost interest in it, funding went to a fraction of what it was and NASA ended up going on LEO satellite placement

There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"

Colonization maybe? Should be easier to terraform than the moon.
IDF
09-08-2007, 17:49
Colonization maybe? Should be easier to terraform than the moon.

Especially since there is the presence of water.
Vetalia
09-08-2007, 18:02
There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"

You can use Mars as a supply and research base for the mining of asteroids and expansion outside of the inner planets. There's a lot of resources out there for us to use, and a base on Mars would be essential to exploiting them.

And terraforming it would open up new land for settlement, which will be key for helping to resolve overpopulation problems on Earth (especially if global warming causes flooding and drought).
CoallitionOfTheWilling
09-08-2007, 18:17
The NASA has more pressing issues than the moon, I think. Like replacing the shuttle with something less expensive, safer and more effective.

Done.

Ares I and Ares V rockets are the next main launch rockets.

Both of them will be used in the moon missions.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
09-08-2007, 18:18
There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"

Eventually, Terraforming.
CthulhuFhtagn
09-08-2007, 18:20
Honestly, I'd rather we ensured our long-term survival via developing nuclear fusion before we bother with Mars.
Maraque
09-08-2007, 18:24
I think that only the russkie send tourists to the ISS. They use the three-seater Sojuz and charge 20M$ for that. Even worse. I ain't ridin' on no Russian thing.
Slaughterhouse five
09-08-2007, 19:32
There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"

we'll see who is laughing when an asteroid is heading for earth and the colony on mars is 100% safe.:D
Krahe
09-08-2007, 19:42
we'll see who is laughing when an asteroid is heading for earth and the colony on mars is 100% safe.:D

You laugh now, but didn't Bush announce the plan to go to the moon and then mars right after NASA came out with the announcement that an asteroid would come dangerously close to the earth in 2035 or so (which they quickly recanted the next day)? Coincidence?

:D
CthulhuFhtagn
10-08-2007, 01:12
we'll see who is laughing when an asteroid is heading for earth and the colony on mars is 100% safe.:D

Honestly, Mars probably has a larger chance of getting hit by an asteroid than Earth.
Non Aligned States
10-08-2007, 01:41
Honestly, Mars probably has a larger chance of getting hit by an asteroid than Earth.

Europa is better, what with Jupiter's gigantic gravity well.
Nadkor
10-08-2007, 01:47
There's no reason to send people to mars except to be like "oh look, we can do it"

That's as good a reason as any.
Walker-Texas-Ranger
10-08-2007, 02:54
Oh...God...yes. Yes it does. One near-Earth asteroid has enough iron-nickel in it to meet world demand at current levels for millions of years. It's worth more than 1,000,000 times the entire GDP of the planet.

Until it collides with the planet.
Vetalia
10-08-2007, 02:57
Until it collides with the planet.

Then we're fucked. Well, those of us still on Earth...
Posi
10-08-2007, 03:05
Can I has pasngerz seat?mabi i just need ta git teh siramics ta bondz wid teh metals ov teh ship

u gotz ducktape i can has?
Barringtonia
10-08-2007, 03:10
mabi i just need ta git teh siramics ta bondz wid teh metals ov teh ship

u gotz ducktape i can has?

I has buble gum?
Krakhozhia
10-08-2007, 03:19
Scrapping the space shuttle is the wrong thing to do imho.

Sure its had its failures, but the space shuttle is the most versatile platform that we have developed to date. It is more important a tool in its own right, because data it gathers on rentry and liftoff will assist the further development of reusable space vehicles.

Sure Rockets are currently cheaper, but they are also more inherently dangerous than the Space Shuttle, especially on re-entry, because the Space Shuttle has the ability to abort landings. The re-entry modules on the Mercury and Apollo programs were always fraught with the fear that something would go wrong.

Space Shuttles were designed to be used far more often than they are currently used, approximately once a fortnight, and originally the fleet was to expanded to 10. Increasing their usage would ultimately make them cheaper, as currently most of the cost borne is simply keeping the shuttles in operational condition.

The future of space travel in the short-term (i.e. the next century) remains in the further development of re-usable modules such as the Space Shuttle. It seems far more likely that a highly functional moon base would be resupplied by a Space Shuttle which actually landed on a purpose-built runway much the same as it does now, excepting that it have to be much longer.

Fuel dumps will have to built to accommodate liquid Oxygen and hydrocarbons brought up from earth. Perhaps wastage from the moon colony could be converted to this use if technology has sufficently developed by this stage.
Non Aligned States
10-08-2007, 03:49
Sure Rockets are currently cheaper, but they are also more inherently dangerous than the Space Shuttle, especially on re-entry, because the Space Shuttle has the ability to abort landings. The re-entry modules on the Mercury and Apollo programs were always fraught with the fear that something would go wrong.

I'm of two minds about this. Not that I'm saying a reusable trans-atmospheric craft is a bad idea, but it seems to me that the shuttle would be more dangerous? Engineering principals have always gone for keeping things simple. The shuttle has more components that can suffer a critical failure, turning it into a death trap on re-entry. Whereas the re-entry pods were essentially metal rocks with chutes.

It's the whole simple vs complex (relatively speaking) principles. Both have their advantages, but I doubt they completely outclass the other.
Myrmidonisia
10-08-2007, 04:28
She made it up safely.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_re_us/space_shuttle

As someone who watched Challenger explode on TV and as a teacher, I'm glad to see the dream finally being fulfilled and wish Endeavour's crew godspeed and to come home safely.
Personally, I'm glad to see the teacher-astronaut jinx destroyed. We can't afford a new space shuttle every time a teacher wants to be launched into space. Better that we should send the hung-over jet pilots up there...
Myrmidonisia
10-08-2007, 04:31
Just a little trivia...
Did anyone else notice that there are twin brothers in the list of current Astronauts? Scott Kelly is piloting this shuttle and was formerly a Tomcat pilot. Who is the twin and what aircraft did he pilot while on active duty?