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Christians Were Safer Under Saddam, Says Vatican official.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Although Iraq has a democratic government, Iraqi Christians were safer and had more protection under former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, said the future head of the Vatican's interreligious dialogue council.

During the buildup to the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, who will become head of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue Sept. 1, had criticized the U.S. government's plan of preventative war and said a unilateral war against Iraq would be a "crime against peace."

In a recent interview with the Italian magazine 30 Giorni, the cardinal said his early criticisms had been prophetic.

"The facts speak for themselves. Alienating the international community (with the U.S. push for war) was a mistake," he said in the magazine's Aug. 10 issue. A copy of the interview was released in advance to journalists.
Why is the Vatican opinion of any interest to me?
simply because the Vatican represents the Largest religion.

Well now this is interesting, considering another current thread.

One thing that has pissed me off lately is how a particular type of war-mongering American Christians have gotten all hot in the pants at the idea of taking their little crusade into the Middle East...which is all the more repulsive when you realize that the real-world fall out from said crusade will especially fuck over the Christians who actually LIVE IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE EAST.

The cheerfully-violent evangelical American can sit smug at his computer in his safe suburban home, yammering on about how important it is to bring Civilization And Justice (read: Christian theocracy) to the horrible brown arabislamofacists, and meanwhile the poor Christian bastards who are just trying to live their lives in the goddam war zone are the ones being torn to shit over the "Christian" crusade that is ripping into their world.

The irony! Its killing me!

Also, this (http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1199) is a good listen if you want a bullshit free look into what exactly is going on in Iraq.

Well now this is interesting, considering another current thread.

One thing that has pissed me off lately is how a particular type of war-mongering American Christians have gotten all hot in the pants at the idea of taking their little crusade into the Middle East...which is all the more repulsive when you realize that the real-world fall out from said crusade will especially fuck over the Christians who actually LIVE IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE EAST.

The cheerfully-violent evangelical American can sit smug at his computer in his safe suburban home, yammering on about how important it is to bring Civilization And Justice (read: Christian theocracy) to the horrible brown arabislamofacists, and meanwhile the poor Christian bastards who are just trying to live their lives in the goddam war zone are the ones being torn to shit over the "Christian" crusade that is ripping into their world.

Crusades are a cruel bitch, man.

Crusades are a cruel bitch, man.
I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

Such is the nature of all foreign wars.

I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

I believe you just described American foreign policy for the last forty years.

I believe you just described American foreign policy for the last forty years.


Such is the nature of all foreign wars.
Yeah, yeah. I know.

The thing is, at least some people are straight up about how evil they are. What gets to me is all the "Christians" who go to church and sing and pray about loving their brother man, and then go home and fap to war porn.

Evil, I can deal with. But we're talking about explosive levels of hypocrisies. My head hurts.

I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

Most of the people in the US who aren't interested in the Crusades can hardly notice that we're in Iraq.

It doesn't affect most of them. If it did, we wouldn't be so obsessed with Lindsay Lohan's next trip to rehab, or Paris Hilton's time in jail.

Out of a total population of 300 million, we only have about 1.5 million people on active duty in all of our armed forces, all around the world.

If we assume that they have an average of 19 people who are immediate family members and very close friends in the US, that's 10 percent of the US population.

90 percent of us are completely unaffected. We're not even spending a significant part of our GDP each year on the war.

Even as a function of government spending, we're still spending more on social services and education (virtually everything else that Federal government provides) at the Federal level than we are on the entire Defense Department.

So it's just not affecting the people in the US who are uninterested in Crusades.

I officially declare American Churches that support this government are really temples of false, heretical, and anti-christ teachings.

Honestly, this is another showing of how conservative american christianity is ruining christianity world wide.

Why is the Vatican opinion of any interest to me?
simply because the Vatican represents the Largest religion.

Actually, I think Muslims constitute the largest religion.

As to the Vatican, I could give a damn about their opinions when it comes to religious matters.

Most of the people in the US who aren't interested in the Crusades can hardly notice that we're in Iraq.

It doesn't affect most of them. If it did, we wouldn't be so obsessed with Lindsay Lohan's next trip to rehab, or Paris Hilton's time in jail.

Out of a total population of 300 million, we only have about 1.5 million people on active duty in all of our armed forces, all around the world.

If we assume that they have an average of 19 people who are immediate family members and very close friends in the US, that's 10 percent of the US population.

90 percent of us are completely unaffected. We're not even spending a significant part of our GDP each year on the war.

Even as a function of government spending, we're still spending more on social services and education (virtually everything else that Federal government provides) at the Federal level than we are on the entire Defense Department.

So it's just not affecting the people in the US who are uninterested in Crusades.


No, you see, when the Mercs...erm military, goes off and starts doing bullshit things around the world, they endanger all of America, so what they do in their little crusade, affect us all.

No, you see, when the Mercs...erm military, goes off and starts doing bullshit things around the world, they endanger all of America, so what they do in their little crusade, affect us all.

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.

Remember that little report from the CIA that said because of Iraq War, we have an increase in terrorists in the world? Oh yeah, and all the BS from US politicians about bombing muslim holy sites only stirs up the hornets nest even more.

Remember that little report from the CIA that said because of Iraq War, we have an increase in terrorists in the world? Oh yeah, and all the BS from US politicians about bombing muslim holy sites only stirs up the hornets nest even more.

Is that affecting us here in the US?

Or are you saying we've had more terrorist attacks in the US since 9-11?

Is that affecting us here in the US?
Or are you saying we've had more terrorist attacks in the US since 9-11?

Let me explain to you in simple terms.

Global instability is bad for everyone, including US. It might not happen now, or in the next few years, but our actions will catch up to us.

Do you understand that? Or is your brain incapable of understanding because its as shriveled as your old man penis? :p:D

Yeah, yeah. I know.

The thing is, at least some people are straight up about how evil they are. What gets to me is all the "Christians" who go to church and sing and pray about loving their brother man, and then go home and fap to war porn.

Evil, I can deal with. But we're talking about explosive levels of hypocrisies. My head hurts.

The popular faiths are always dens of hypocrisy. Do as I say and not as I do. Thou Shalt Not Kill is amazingly flexible. It's fine to vote for killing, as long as you don't do it yourself I guess.

The popular faiths are always dens of hypocrisy. Do as I say and not as I do. Thou Shalt Not Kill is amazingly flexible. It's fine to vote for killing, as long as you don't do it yourself I guess.


See, they say that it 'really' means do not murder. Killing is okay if its justifiable.

Which is absolute crap.

Is that affecting us here in the US?

Or are you saying we've had more terrorist attacks in the US since 9-11?

"This stone here is a powerful prevention of tiger attacks.
- How does it work?
- It doesn't. But do you see any tigers around here?
- ... I'll give you 50 bucks for that stone!"

"This stone here is a powerful prevention of tiger attacks.
- How does it work?
- It doesn't. But do you see any tigers around here?
- ... I'll give you 50 bucks for that stone!"

Oh do you have the lions, tigers, and bears prevention stone?

Oh do you have the lions, tigers, and bears prevention stone?

Oy vey!

I don't really think of them (the American theocratic Right) as Christians. More as idolators who pray to the elephant and a retarded prep-school cheerleader.

Oh do you have the lions, tigers, and bears prevention stone?

You'll have to ask Lisa Sipmson, she's the one selling those stones ;)

Let me explain to you in simple terms.

Global instability is bad for everyone, including US. It might not happen now, or in the next few years, but our actions will catch up to us.

Do you understand that? Or is your brain incapable of understanding because its as shriveled as your old man penis? :p:D

If you're worried about global instability, worry more about China selling off its accumulated store of US debt all at once.

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.

Well, there IS the one where the US "re-elects" a madman who spies on his own people, strives to eliminate liberty, and declares war at the drop of a hat...

Well, there IS the one where the US "re-elects" a madman who spies on his own people, strives to eliminate liberty, and declares war at the drop of a hat...

Assisted by the band of evil Republicans, and the secretly evil Democrats, who vote for his war, vote for his spying, and sell themselves as the defenders of liberty.

It's not only the Christians who were safer under Saddam.

All of Iraq’s minority communities have suffered since 2003. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12945971&postcount=73)

It's not only the Christians who were safer under Saddam.

All of Iraq’s minority communities have suffered since 2003. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12945971&postcount=73)

I thought that was obvious. I could say that for the most part, everyone has suffered.

Remember when Tito died? The only thing keeping the Serbs and Croats and Muslims from killing each other wholesale was fear of Tito's government.

Once he died, hunting season was open, and the power struggles and struggles for land began.

Same thing in Iraq. If we wanted to prevent this sort of thing after we took over, we would have to instill the same kind of fear that Saddam had.

We're not allowed to do that sort of thing. Not that Iraqis would really believe it, even if we were doing it. We have, all homoerotic human pyramids aside, an international reputation for being soft.

I was watching a history channel show on interrogations - and one al-Q person who was interrogated in Afghanistan was subjected to a continuous 36 hour session (no stress positions and such - just a long, long talk). The rule was that you couldn't question him any longer than a single interrogator could stay up.

After 36 hours, the al-Q man smiled, and became extremely cooperative. He had been apprehensive at first, but when he realized that questioning, food, water, and a chair were the worst that would happen, he felt sorry for the interrogator, and said, "the rumors are true - the Americans are soft". He then talked.

We're not any good at instilling fear - a level of fear that came naturally to Saddam.

Actually, I think Muslims constitute the largest religion.

As to the Vatican, I could give a damn about their opinions when it comes to religious matters.
Christianity is still the largest religion, Islam is the fastest growing. Even so, the pope doesn't represent all christians.

That doesn't mean he can't be right every now and then.

You know what?
there is this question:

What makes US a better empire than the other empires?
.. a Lasting empire.
.. a Loved empire (of course I am talking about the last century.. not the last 6 years).. and sell themselves as the defenders of liberty.

USA number 1#.

We are (our Govs actually) awesome salesmen, we are awesome at marketing.. we are #1.

We have sometimes defended Liberty and freedoms.. and we have multiplied and cultivated that positive Image of ourselves all over the World.

it is an unparalleled tour de magie.

..of course it will not last forever, but I am impressed with what our govs have accomplished with a few ligths and mirrors.

props to the magicians.

Well now this is interesting, considering another current thread.

One thing that has pissed me off lately is how a particular type of war-mongering American Christians have gotten all hot in the pants at the idea of taking their little crusade into the Middle East...which is all the more repulsive when you realize that the real-world fall out from said crusade will especially fuck over the Christians who actually LIVE IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE EAST.
Why would American Christians give two shits about them? American Christians are predominantly protestant, or weird offshoots thereof, and the Middle Eastern Christians are Orthodoxy or Catholic.

And if you think the protestants give a damn about the Orthodox or Catholics, you would be wrong.

You know what?
there is this question, what makes US a better empire than the other Empires?
.. a Lasting empire.
.. a Loved empire (of course I am talking about the last century.. not the last 6 years)

USA number 1#.

We are (our Govs actually) awesome salesmen, we are awesome at marketing.
We have sometimes defended Liberty and freedoms.. and we have multiplied and cultivated that positive Image of ourselves all over the World.

it is an unparalleled tour de magie.

..of course it will not last forever, but I am impressed with what our govs have accomplished with a few ligths and mirrors.

props to the magicians.

Actually, the British Empire and the Roman Empire ran far longer. And they were not purveyors of liberty.

It was, "do it our way, or we fuck you up". Hence, the Roman Army. Hence, the British Navy.

Remember Carthage? Remember the Opium War?

The US isn't an empire, just a bunch of cowboys who think they are the world police and might as well be the oblivious, culturally ignorant empires of old Britain and ancient Rome.

Christianity is still the largest religion, Islam is the fastest growing. Even so, the pope doesn't represent all christians.

That doesn't mean he can't be right every now and then.Wiki says The Vatican represents the largest Religion in the World.

Catholics is the Largest religion.
Islam is the fastest growing.. -at this rate- one day Islam will take Catholicism place as #1. (which does not bother me at all)

I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

Yeah. Let's just transplant all the assholes who want to crusade into the middle of the fray (as civilians). They won't be so gung-ho then.

The US isn't an empire,..i think we are, but i dont wanna argue (I accept your point)

..just a bunch of cowboys .true

who think they are the world police true

.. and might as well be the oblivious, culturally ignorant empires of old Britain and ancient Rome.I dont know, maybe the Romans and Brits were a bit more culturally aware.


but what about my theory.. aren't we great at Marketing ourselves? (Bush Gov exempted of course)

Wiki says The Vatican represents the largest Religion in the World.

Catholics is the Largest religion.
Islam is the fastest growing.. -at this rate- one day Islam will take Catholicism place as #1. (which does not bother me at all)
Maybe the Vatican represents the most followers just becasue it's the largest sect of christianity and there isn't an equivalent sort of group for muslims.

Catholicism isn't a separate religion though, it's Christianity.

Most of the people in the US who aren't interested in the Crusades can hardly notice that we're in Iraq.

It doesn't affect most of them. If it did, we wouldn't be so obsessed with Lindsay Lohan's next trip to rehab, or Paris Hilton's time in jail.

Out of a total population of 300 million, we only have about 1.5 million people on active duty in all of our armed forces, all around the world.

If we assume that they have an average of 19 people who are immediate family members and very close friends in the US, that's 10 percent of the US population.

90 percent of us are completely unaffected. We're not even spending a significant part of our GDP each year on the war.

Even as a function of government spending, we're still spending more on social services and education (virtually everything else that Federal government provides) at the Federal level than we are on the entire Defense Department.

So it's just not affecting the people in the US who are uninterested in Crusades.

This is patently inaccurate. More than 50% of the discretionary budget of the US is spent on the pentagon. It does effect me. I am LESS safe because we have millions of pissed of Arabs that are only to happy to support or at the least turn a blind eye to operations against US forces.
The war costs a BILLIONS of dollars a month. Billions that should be spent on things like... bridges?

More than anything it effects me because my country is engaged in ILLEGAL war, that our leadesr are WAR CRIMINALS, the our once esteemed nation is the SECOND LARGEST ABUSER of HUMAN RIGHTS on the planet (behind China)

So RO, it effects me, it effects all of us. Those of you who believed Saddam had something to do with 9/11 and support this war are GROSSLY ignorant. deserving of nothing but my contempt venom and pity. Oh and do us th favor of sterilizing yourself and your children.

This is patently inaccurate. More than 50% of the discretionary budget of the US is spent on the pentagon.

Wrong. The discretionary budget is not the whole budget.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/military-relative-size.php#gdp-graph

More accurate information here.

You'll note that our spending has been going DOWN over time...

Maybe the Vatican represents the most followers just becasue it's the largest sect of christianity and there isn't an equivalent sort of group for muslims.

Catholicism isn't a separate religion though, it's Christianity.You are right, apparently there is ~940 million Sunni Muslims and over 1 billion Catholic

the other groups are very far behind.

I dont know, maybe the Romans and Brits were a bit more culturally aware.
I can't say about Rome, but imperialist Europe couldn't give a shit about other cultures. They didn't even pretend to.

I can't say about Rome, but imperialist Europe couldn't give a shit about other cultures. They didn't even pretend to.you are talking multiculturalism, and I am talking general culture.. (arts, literature, philosophy, history, architecture, food, and yes.. Learning about other Countries/peoples too)

But yes I see your point.

oh and BTW If you are going to say English food suck.. I agree in advance :p

Wiki says The Vatican represents the largest Religion in the World.

Catholics is the Largest religion.
Islam is the fastest growing.. -at this rate- one day Islam will take Catholicism place as #1. (which does not bother me at all)

That fastest growing bit is a tid bit skewed. There was sheik in Iran i believe, that came out and said that Islam was losing either 6 million a year to christianity a year, and the reason for the fastest growing stat is 1) they measured the growth rate over a longer(or maybe shorter) time or something, which made the results seem larger than what it should be, and 2) there are a lot people being born into muslim families, not really being converted to Islam itself, so you have a lot of people that say they are muslim but are not actually in practice.. Well that is sort of like christianity. But yah. I will have to find that article, it was a few years old but interesting.

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.


Any major terror attacks before then('domestics' excluded)?

No change there then. Not much to gain for billions down the jacks and a few hundred thousand lives.

I thought that was obvious. I could say that for the most part, everyone has suffered.
Yet there are no threads on them, nor can I remember ever seeing one. The Vatican speaks out on behalf of the Christians. The media doesn't focus on the other majorities much.

So it might not be that obvious...

Why is the Vatican opinion of any interest to me?
simply because the Vatican represents the Largest religion.

I don't understand your capitalization practices. Not starting off a sentence with caps, but sticking one right in the middle? Nonesensical.

Why is the Vatican opinion of any interest to me?
simply because the Vatican represents the Largest religion.

Actually, it doesn't. It represents a sect of the largest Religion. Where'd you get the idea that all Christians were Catholics?

Actually, it doesn't. It represents a sect of the largest Religion. Where'd you get the idea that all Christians were Catholics?

Ocean hates Catholics and j00z.

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.

Great, a buyer for that rock I wanted to sell that keeps away tigers!

Edit: Beaten to it. Ah well. I'll have to use my Super, I guess...

The Nazi pope and the rest of his chumbs can burn down with the vatican as far as I'm concerned.

As most of you are aware, having played fighting games, in most current fighting games, there's a bar that fills up as the character fights, the Super bar - When that bar is full, the character gets a free hit at a move that's much more powerful - or much more complete - than his usual array - maybe a move that includes stronger versions of an usual special move, or a chain combo of several such moves.

Here's mine.

Four Horsemen!

Snip several idiocies that mean the same, if said in a slightly different manner, all in favor of the idiotic bloodshed.

"Even now, as evidence gathers against those that would push their lies, they insist. As their lies cause more and more people to die, thus forced am I to call upon FOUR HORSEMEN!"

Release Apocalypse upon my foe! *Summons Dr. Cox, Shakespeare and the Riddler*

*Cox!*

Re-heally, Sylvia, Eugena, Mary and, well, just about a hundred more girly names that go pretty well with the abject fear you so gladly espouse and spout, you might want to cut down on your support for a war that not only kills a lot of innocent civilians, assuming you're the kind of people that give a flying f*ck about that, which you're not, since you've forgotten through your fear about everything that made you... human, really, you might want to cut down on that support anyways, because it's employing the same kind of resources that would be otherwise employed to keep your country safe so you wouldn't have to buy that clown night-light you have grown to care for and become so dependent on. You see, the money, manpower and all the other things you seem to find so cool and hip to have are being squandered on that war, and more and more of those evil brown-skinned turrorrists that you were tricked into thinking are under your beds waiting to steal your chocolates are created by it rather than destroyed. I mean, my God, Lucy, Amanda, Tina, Georgia and so on, get REAL!

*Exits*

*Riddler!*

Riddle me this:

Do you honestly think the war didn't create more terrorists than it killed?

Riddle me that:

And do you also believe that fact wasn't foreseen by the administration you're gladly regurgitating the lies from?

Riddle me this:

Do you really believe they wouldn't stand to gain from creating more and more enemies?

Riddle me that:

Don't you think they're counting on YOU to support them blindly so they can run amok doing whatever they damn well please?

Riddle me this:

Haven't they so far been using the war for their own sport and profit?

Riddle me that:

Thus, do you think ANYTHING AT ALL will get ANY better if you keep letting them support a bloody, costly, misguided and mishandled war that they run for THEIR interest?

*Exits*

*William Shakespeare!*

Friends, Users, NSers, lend me your eyes.
I come to bury the anti-war crowd, not to praise them.
The evil that wars do lives after them;
The good is oft inexistent and trumped up.
So let it be with this war. The noble Bushevics
Hath told you this war was good.
If it were so, it was of major help,
And this fact should be pointed out.
Here, under leave of the Busheviks and the rest—
For the Busheviks are honorable man;
So are they all, all honorable men—
Come I to speak in the of Peace in Iraq.
It worked well, and prevented terrorism from spreading.
But the Busheviks say it was useless,
And the Busheviks are honorable men.
It hath kept much money in the US coffers,
Which could used to go for Bin Laden's kill.
Did this in Peace seem useless?
Where that Terrorism stopped, Peace had been kept.
Uselessness should be made of less actvive stuff.
Yet the Busheviks say it was useless,
And the Busheviks are honorable men.
You all did see that with Saudi Arabia
It made an ally out of a possible opposing kingdom,
Which prevented a terrorist haven. Was this useless?
Yet the Busheviks say it was useless,
And, sure, they are honorable men.
I speak not to disprove what the Busheviks spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love it once, not without cause.
What cause withholds you then to mourn for it?
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me.
My heart is in the coffin there with logic,
And I must pause till it come back to me. (weeps)

And the fourth.

Me.

As I just shown, this war was useless, costly, created more terrorists and is being used even as we speak to perpetuate itself, keep the US in fear and feed zombies hopped up on both fear and a sadistic desire to see brown people dead, even if it kills (as it has) many - MANY soldiers they so claim to glorify. Give me a break, it has not made you safer, it will not make you safer, and you'll only STOP making yourself less safe when you leave. Then again, you may not even CARE about safety, or troops, or anything else as long as brown people die. If that's so, then you can support the war, but you'd be a horrible, horrible human being.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I just get pissed off when the people who aren't interested in crusades are the ones who get fucked over by them, while the people who actually start that shit get to go on living totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

And that, is the real purpose of "We're Fighting Them Over There So We Don't Have To Fight Them Here." It's not anti-terrorism, it's comfortable padding from the consequences of arrogant, almost imperialistic actions and detachment from the people who have to take the brunt of the shit.

No shit...everyone was MUCH SAFER AND MUCH FREER under Saddam.

Ocean hates Catholics and j00z.

Do us and favor and leave NSG please.

And that, is the real purpose of "We're Fighting Them Over There So We Don't Have To Fight Them Here." It's not anti-terrorism, it's comfortable padding from the consequences of arrogant, almost imperialistic actions and detachment from the people who have to take the brunt of the shit.

/thread

I don't understand your capitalization practices. Not starting off a sentence with caps, but sticking one right in the middle? Nonesensical.must be the hash brownies :p

Yeah, yeah. I know.

The thing is, at least some people are straight up about how evil they are. What gets to me is all the "Christians" who go to church and sing and pray about loving their brother man, and then go home and fap to war porn.

Evil, I can deal with. But we're talking about explosive levels of hypocrisies. My head hurts.
While I do agree in the sense that I'd rather honest evil than even a lesser degree of evil pretending to be sacred, I don't like your approach of using porn as a metaphor for war. It's as if you see those who like porn as a reference for comparison for evil; what's so evil about something that doesn't hurt anyone?

Anyway, it's interesting to see another example of how meaningless labels like "liberal" and "conservative" are. According to the political spectrum, support for the Iraq War and favourtism towards Christianity would both be associated with "the right" but this goes to show how much they contradict. Just like with the previous pope; his opposition to the Iraq War does not make him liberal, as indicated by his opposition to abortion, homosexuality, birth control, etc... which I might not necessarily agree with, but in this case, even though I'm not religious, I'm glad to see religious people disprove the political spectrum...

Hardly.

Any major terror attacks in the US since 9-11?

I didn't think so.

Plenty. They've just all been from the highest risk group for terrorist attacks in the U.S. White Christian Males.

Plenty. They've just all been from the highest risk group for terrorist attacks in the U.S. White Christian Males.

In high places.

No shit...everyone was MUCH SAFER AND MUCH FREER under Saddam.

Not those who were killed by his henchmen. *nods*

Yeah but they`re dead and thus don`t count, because they have no use for safety anymore.

Lets face it, the average Iraqi had a much smaller change at being shot or blown to pieces under Saddam then in the War thats going on now.

Yeah but they`re dead and thus don`t count, because they have no use for safety anymore.

Lets face it, the average Iraqi had a much smaller change at being shot or blown to pieces under Saddam then in the War thats going on now.

Less freedom of Speech, cannot protest the government, Kurds and Shia were persecuted...yea much freedom there along with safety.

Less freedom of Speech, cannot protest the government, Kurds and Shia were persecuted...yea much freedom there along with safety.

Still more safety, it seems.

No shit...everyone was MUCH SAFER AND MUCH FREER under Saddam.Not those who were killed by Saddam's henchmen. *nods*hmmm

AS: We are safer with mandatory Seatbelt laws.
Kr: Not the ones (cars) falling into water (bridges, lakes, etc)