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So a breakdown of suicide bombers in Iraq.

I notice a certain country is missing (Iran) and that another (Saudi Arabia) has the most.

Hmmmmmm......

Any comments vis a vis current US/UK policies concerning Iran?

Simple, Italy has provided the 3rd highest number of bombers so that should be our next target.

Gotta be bullshit.

Italy is accounted for 8% of the attacks... wtf?

Italy has olive oil, that's good enough for me.

Pah I say!

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So a breakdown of suicide bombers in Iraq.

I notice a certain country is missing (Iran) and that another (Saudi Arabia) has the most.

Hmmmmmm......

Any comments vis a vis current US/UK policies concerning Iran?

If you're trying to say the government is a bunch of idiots, that's hardly news. ;)

Gotta be bullshit.

Italy is accounted for 8% of the attacks... wtf?


28 Nassim, Fahdal Italy
29 al-Masri, Abu Farid Italy
30 Morchidi, Kamal Italy
31 Ben Amor, Mohammed Italy
32 Khalifa, Mohammed Italy
33 Rihani, Lotfi (Abdel Rahman) Italy
34 Saadi, Fadhal Italy
35 Waddani, Habib (Said) Italy

Gotta be bullshit.

Italy is accounted for 8% of the attacks... wtf?

Yea...that's weird, why is Italy up there but no other Western Nation?

Yea...that's weird, why is Italy up there but no other Western Nation?

See my post above or read the story...

Yea...that's weird, why is Italy up there but no other Western Nation?

It's because no one like the Italians.

We need to invade I tells ya.

If you're trying to say the government is a bunch of idiots, that's hardly news. ;)

Well seeing as a good proportion of the 'government' now consists of contractors....

The point here is that our supposed allies in the "War on Terror" harbor more suicide bombers than "The Axis of 3b1l".

See my post above or read the story...

That doesn't answer anything...I'm wondering why Italian Muslims account for a significant percent of Suicide bombers when American, Canadian, Australian or other European Muslims don't?...as far as I could see from the article there was just a list of people and the country they were from...

:confused::confused::confused:

The point here is that our supposed allies in the "War on Terror" harbor more suicide bombers than "The Axis of 3b1l".

Bingo.

And how does that square with policy?

Naw, its cause' the Italians send elite commandos to carry out sabotage, to further their worldwide agenda. But since the commandos always accidently blow them selves up, they just HAPPEN to be classed as suicide bombers;). Kinda like 'who shot Musslolini in the back three times? A platoon of Italian sharpshooters'. :D

"Italy" genuinely made me laugh out loud.

It's because no one like the Italians.

We need to invade I tells ya.

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Wanted Dead or Alive

:D:D:p:p

"Italy" genuinely made me laugh out loud.

True...but I would be more worried if they had names like Luca or Giuseppe or something...

Gotta be bullshit.

Italy is accounted for 8% of the attacks... wtf?

Just remember that Southern Italy is a total dump.

Well seeing as a good proportion of the 'government' now consists of contractors....

Contractors?

Just remember that Italy is a total dump.
Fixed.

Contractors?
Compulsively-lying agricultural vehicles.

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Wanted Dead or Alive

:D:D:p:p

I was wondering when was that gonna show up. :D

That doesn't answer anything...I'm wondering why Italian Muslims account for a significant percent of Suicide bombers when American, Canadian, Australian or other European Muslims don't?...as far as I could see from the article there was just a list of people and the country they were from...

:confused::confused::confused:

Well might give a partial explanation if I can. What I have heard from Moroccans in Italy as well as talking with Moroccans while I was in Italy. I have heard that the Italians treat the N Africans like dog crap. Perhaps that fuels the fire of jihad. Not an excuse but maybe an explanation.

Yea...that's weird, why is Italy up there but no other Western Nation?

France, UK, and Belgium are on there as well.

1 Degauque, Muriel (female suicide bomber) Belgium
2 Goris, Issam (foiled bomber killed by U.S. forces) Belgium

4 al-Dhaleai, Wael (Wael Abdul Rahman) Britain

8 Badjoudj, Abdelhalim France
9 Bazis, Idris France

What's odd is that Italy has a significantly smaller Islamic population compared with other countries in Wesern Europe - 1-2% for Italy, depending on the source, compared to 3-4% for Belgium and 5-10% for France.

Well might give a partial explanation if I can. What I have heard from Moroccans in Italy as well as talking with Moroccans while I was in Italy. I have heard that the Italians treat the N Africans like dog crap. Perhaps that fuels the fire of jihad. Not an excuse but maybe an explanation.

Sounds about right. Having noticed the blip above, I looked up some info, and it seems Milan is quite the little hot bed of radical Islam for some significant reasons.

Italy is distinct from the countries I visited in northern Europe. Muslims have arrived here more recently and relatively few have acquired citizenship.

"It's a community without integration," says Magdi Allam, well-known Egyptian-born columnist at the Corriere della Sera newspaper.

"The majority of Muslims in Italy don't speak Italian in a proper way, don't know the culture or the religion of the Italian people, and don't share the values of Italian society."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4836184.stm

More:
http://www.euro-islam.info/spip/article.php3?id_article=650
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/07/12/terrorism_eu/index.html?pn=4

This (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay84409/robert-s-leiken/europe-s-angry-muslims.html) particularly good (but long) article goes into much more detail, and gives a possible explanation for the statistical blip of the Italian bombers in Iraq.

With a few exceptions, European authorities shrink from the relatively stout legislative and security measures adopted in the United States. They prefer criminal surveillance and traditional prosecutions to launching a U.S.-style "war on terrorism" and mobilizing the military, establishing detention centers, enhancing border security, requiring machine-readable passports, expelling hate preachers, and lengthening notoriously light sentences for convicted terrorists. Germany's failure to convict conspirators in the September 11 attacks suggests that the European public, outside of France and now perhaps the Netherlands, is not ready for a war on terrorism.

Contrary to what many Americans concluded during Washington's dispute with Paris in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, France is the exception to general European complacency. Well before September 11, France had deployed the most robust counterterrorism regime of any Western country. Irish terrorism may have diverted British attention from jihad, as has Basque terrorism in Spain, but Algerian terrorism worked the opposite effect in France.

To prevent proselytizing among its mostly North African Muslim community, during the 1990s the energetic French state denied asylum to radical Islamists even while they were being welcomed by its neighbors. Fearing, as Kepel puts it, that contagion would turn "the social malaise felt by Muslims in the suburbs of major cities" into extremism and terrorism, the French government cracked down on jihadists, detaining suspects for as long as four days without charging them or allowing them access to a lawyer. Today no place of worship is off limits to the police in secular France. Hate speech is rewarded with a visit from the police, blacklisting, and the prospect of deportation. These practices are consistent with the strict Gallic assimilationist model that bars religion from the public sphere (hence the headscarf dispute).

Contrast the French approach to the United Kingdom's separatist form of multiculturalism, which offered radical Arab Islamists refuge and the opportunity to preach openly, while stepping up surveillance of them. French youth could still tune into jihadist messages on satellite television and the Internet, but in the United Kingdom open radical preaching spawned terrorist cells. Most of the rest of Europe adopted the relaxed British approach, but with less surveillance.

Now, the Madrid bombings and the van Gogh killing have strengthened the hand of engaged politicians, such as Germany's Social Democratic interior minister, Otto Schily, and the former French interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who leads the governing Union for a Popular Movement. They have also prompted Brussels, London, Madrid, Paris, and The Hague to increase resources and personnel devoted to terrorism.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay84409-p30/robert-s-leiken/europe-s-angry-muslims.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay84409-p40/robert-s-leiken/europe-s-angry-muslims.html

So, we have France, who's been on their toes; the UK, the Netherlands, and Spain, who've been hit by the new wave of terrorists and gotten their act together. That leaves a number of small countries with Islamic populations, several countries with insignificant Islamic populations, Germany, and Italy. Considering that Germany's Islamic population (IIRC) is mostly Turkish in background, I'd say there're less likely to be German Turkish bombers in Iraq. That leaves us with Italy....