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This is how we can really cut and run from the Muslims. I think a lot of far left people are on par with this shit bag. Tell me what you all think.

"a pull out of Iraq will get you nowhere"

This is why we are still in Iraq. To kill these people, they want to take us to our bloody end. He is right, we are letting them win, because we can't fight a real war against them.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=nE2sh2VISTI

He painted a pretty clear picture on how to prevent attack, should we just wave the white flag and do all that stuff he said? What do you all think?

Granted, if universalist Jihadist groups like al-Qaeda would rule the US liberals would have a hard time. But surely you must acknowledge that that is not going to happen. These radical fringe groups can cause a lot of damage, but cannot destroy a state. Islam is a very diverse religion and the vast majority of Muslims is traditionalist. There are some groups that are Islamists (adherents of a political ideology) but the vast majority of these has a local base. They want an Islamic state in their own country. Of all Islamists there are only a few that want an Islamic state spanning all Muslim counties, and only a handful of these think attacking the west helps them to get there.

Muslims do not hate the west; they generally like most of it. The only thing that unites some of these radicalist Islamist fringe groups is their hatred of US foreign policy.

Surely large domestic groups can take over a state, however these groups cannot take over a foreign state. It is like thinking that the Rote Armee Fraktion could take over the US. You should not confuse local Islamism like that of Iran or the Muslim brotherhood with these global Jihadists. Apples and Oranges actually. :)

These global Jihadists thrive because of US foreign policy, but remain fringe groups nonetheless. They do not have the support of the extremely diverse muslim populations, nor will they gain their support.

Local Islamists, however, can gain support because they are social movements from within the country. They are often the only serious opposition to autocratic regimes and provide the services the state cannot provide like schooling, hospitals, social welfare etc. That is why Local Islamist groups can be successful (until they succeed and have to deal with the hard reality of governing a state; see Iranian post-Islamism), but radical global Jihadists cannot.

Ps. simply took together my other posts seeing that there was a more relevant thread

The goals of the Jihadist fringe group, better known as al-Qaeda:

Muhammad Atta grew up in a white-collar Egyptian household lived his wjhole life in the west and believed that the west supported genocide against Muslims in Bosnia and Chechnya.

Osama bin Ladin; from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, wants the US out of the Middle East especially the holy places in Saudi Arabia. Wants an Islamic state Khalifat on Arabic territory.

Khalid Shaykh Muhammad (architect of attack) lived everywhere, including the west. Was obsessed by the Palestine question and wanted to punish the US for supporting Israel.

Do you really think such a diverse group only conected by their hatred of US foreign policy could agree on a greater goal?

Go away MTAE, we are not interested.

Go away MTAE, we are not interested.

MTAE usually picks names full of hyperbole for his puppet accounts. Rizzoinabox is just another Kimchiteer pledge who's claiming to be a member of the U.S. military. All we need is for him to chant something along the lines of "Kill All Muslims" and he becomes a full-fledged member.

MTAE usually picks names full of hyperbole for his puppet accounts. Rizzoinabox is just another Kimchiteer pledge who's claiming to be a member of the U.S. military. All we need is for him to chant something along the lines of "Kill All Muslims" and he becomes a full-fledged member.

I have no idea who MTAE is. My name is a refrence to an AFI song. I'll back my claim up of being a US Infantry Marine.

myspace.com/rizzoinabox336 here is a picture of me at SOI: http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/Rizzoinabox336/?action=view&current=2-1.jpg

What did my post have to do with "Kill All Muslims"? Why don't you adress the issue that all left wing people bring up? Adam just said how we can stop attacks on America, should we do that or keep fighting those people.

What do you think?

MTAE usually picks names full of hyperbole for his puppet accounts. Rizzoinabox is just another Kimchiteer pledge who's claiming to be a member of the U.S. military. All we need is for him to chant something along the lines of "Kill All Muslims" and he becomes a full-fledged member.

How about "There is no God but the Lord, and Bush is his chosen President"?

*OP that shows you're an idiot*
Yeah, nice one.

Because if someone foreign was gallavanting around your hometown in an Abrams, and generally shooting at you to try and keep your head down at all time, you wouldn't be a little bit pissed off, now, would you?

And how's about these same guys blow up your whole block of flats with a 'well-placed' Hellfire to get a particularly tricky sniper that was shooting up their patrol a bit.

And then perhaps they then kill your wife, and file it under 'collateral damage'.

You sure that fighting a 'real war' is the best idea at all?

Or don't you think that it might actually not help the situation whatsoever?



Note : This guy is a complete wanker, also. As a leftist, with a few Muslim friends, this guy is just ridiculous to me. (the self-important cleric who thinks he's being witty, that is)

Is this where DK has been for the last few months?

And really, enough with the "The Muslims" nonsense, and the "The Far Left" nonsense. Contrary to popular belief, neither have a hive-mind which tells them all to destroy western civilisation/non-believers and let "The Muslims" destroy civilisation respectively.

I have no idea who MTAE is. My name is a refrence to an AFI song. I'll back my claim up of being a US Infantry Marine.

myspace.com/rizzoinabox336 here is a picture of me at SOI: http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/Rizzoinabox336/?action=view&current=2-1.jpg

What did my post have to do with "Kill All Muslims"? Why don't you adress the issue that all left wing people bring up? Adam just said how we can stop attacks on America, should we do that or keep fighting those people.

What do you think?


The ones that attacked the US werent in any way shape or form linked with
Iraq. Iraq has now created hundreds of thousands that want to attack America and the longer you stay, the more there'll be. Regardless of the details, the ultimate goal should be to fuck off back to your own country.

Is this where DK has been for the last few months?
He's Remote Observer ;)

How about "There is no God but the Lord, and Bush is his chosen President"?Which would prove indeed that this 'Lord' is not worthy of worship.

He's Remote Observer ;)
The question was entirely rhetorical.:p

These radical fringe groups can cause a lot of damage, but cannot destroy a state.

They managed to take over Afghanistan for quite a while.

They're doing a number on Iraq. Apparently, since the British have begun to withdraw from Basra, the place is plunging into sectarian violence, as radical religious elements struggle for local control.

They certainly have, and can, and are trying, to destroy a state and take over.

The ones that attacked the US werent in any way shape or form linked with
Iraq. Iraq has now created hundreds of thousands that want to attack America and the longer you stay, the more there'll be. Regardless of the details, the ultimate goal should be to fuck off back to your own country.


Why not give the United States the time to destroy the 100,000s who want to attack us now? Did you watch the video? When we leave Iraq they are going to take over and keep coming, did you not get that? Do you know how wars are won? They are won by either destroying the enemy, or destroying the enemy's will to fight.

Why not give the United States the time to destroy the 100,000s who want to attack us now? Did you watch the video? When we leave Iraq they are going to take over and keep coming, did you not get that? Do you know how wars are won? They are won by either destroying the enemy, or destroying the enemy's will to fight.

Nodinia does not want the US to win, even if the terrorists come over and destroy America.

He sounds like a failed Leftist from the 1970s, whose bankrupt ideas of social change were permanently invalidated by the collapse of the former Soviet Union.

Yeah, nice one.

Because if someone foreign was gallavanting around your hometown in an Abrams, and generally shooting at you to try and keep your head down at all time, you wouldn't be a little bit pissed off, now, would you?

And how's about these same guys blow up your whole block of flats with a 'well-placed' Hellfire to get a particularly tricky sniper that was shooting up their patrol a bit.

And then perhaps they then kill your wife, and file it under 'collateral damage'.

You sure that fighting a 'real war' is the best idea at all?

Or don't you think that it might actually not help the situation whatsoever?



Note : This guy is a complete wanker, also. As a leftist, with a few Muslim friends, this guy is just ridiculous to me. (the self-important cleric who thinks he's being witty, that is)

You seem to be getting it now, they already have destroyed things in my country and killed people that I know. Does anyone here know how WW2 was won. Would you say that in Germany and Japan because of all the "innocent" people we killed theyould all hate us now? No the best idea isn't fighting a "real war" the best idea would be leaving all countries to themselves and letting them kill each other. War is won by destroying the enemies will to fight. How do you all think that we can win this war? Or do you even want to win it?

Which would prove indeed that this 'Lord' is not worthy of worship.

Indeed.

Nodinia does not want the US to win...how dare him.. we must win the War.
we are almost there.. so close i can almost touch it.. all we need is a surge -its all we need- trust me. :rolleyes:

please.. please give me victory :mp5::mp5::sniper:

how dare him.. we must win the War.
we are almost there.. so close i can almost touch it.. all we need is a surge -its all we need- trust me. :rolleyes:

please.. please give me victory :mp5::mp5::sniper:

I'm not talking about the Iraq War.

Bin Laden was really pissed at Zarqawi for starting "al-Qaeda in Iraq". They initially blessed his actions, but thought that Iraq was just a side matter.

Al-Qaeda wants to fight in America.

That's the war I'm talking about.

This is how we can really cut and run from the Muslims. I think a lot of far left people are on par with this shit bag. Tell me what you all think.

"a pull out of Iraq will get you nowhere"

This is why we are still in Iraq. To kill these people, they want to take us to our bloody end. He is right, we are letting them win, because we can't fight a real war against them.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=nE2sh2VISTI

He painted a pretty clear picture on how to prevent attack, should we just wave the white flag and do all that stuff he said? What do you all think?

i cant watch utube. could you summarize his arguement and then explain why you think it is so powerful?

i cant watch utube. could you summarize his arguement and then explain why you think it is so powerful?

Here is a different link, if you can't watch that I'll start writing.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/new_tape_old_th.html

You seem to be getting it now, they already have destroyed things in my country and killed people that I know.
On the other hand they don't go around casually shooting at you, and occupying your country.

So things are somewhat different.
Does anyone here know how WW2 was won.
Yes.

We utterly destroyed the means of production for the axis forces. It wasn't about crushing the will to fight as far as Germany went, because the SS and Volksturm were fighting in defensive nests right up until May the second.

The real hammer blows came in the destruction of the largest synthetic oil plants and destroying the V1 sites, so that the German propaganda machine had nothing more to throw at its public to convince them to fight.



With Japan, there was a weapon which was going to utterly annihilate the Japanese unless they caved in. They also had little or nothing they could do about it. So instead of inevitably losing mass casualties, they signed an armistice.

As for Italy in World War 2, it was basically a war that the Italian people didn't want, and the Italian government couldn't afford. So their loss was always going to happen.
Would you say that in Germany and Japan because of all the "innocent" people we killed theyould all hate us now?
I really couldn't say.

Some Germans I've met have joked about it all, others have been somewhat more hostile.

As to Japan, I don't really know anyone Japanese and really can't help there.
No the best idea isn't fighting a "real war" the best idea would be leaving all countries to themselves and letting them kill each other.
Assuming you want people in the area to die, then yes, that's the way forward. I don't, because there's nothing to be gained from it.
War is won by destroying the enemies will to fight.
Yeah, basically.
How do you all think that we can win this war? Or do you even want to win it?
1) You can't, because there's no risk to the US or UK on a remotely similar scale, so the general public has no real desire to see people getting shot up for essentially no reason.

2) What's there to win?
i cant watch utube. could you summarize his arguement and then explain why you think it is so powerful?
"omfg the US is going to get pwned by Allah lol just liyk West Africa. Omfg i pwn j00. And j00s."

Basically.

War is won by destroying the enemies will to fight.

And by staying there, you're giving them the will to fight while eroding your own. See the problem?

And by staying there, you're giving them the will to fight while eroding your own. See the problem?

and by leaving we are doing nothing to stop them from following us back home. MY will to fight as never been stronger. People in this country bitch about ho much money this war has cost. They don't know anything about paying for this war, I've paid for it with blood, sweat and tears. Money is cheap.with and support the terrorists
or I don't know where I can find a clearer picture of why we need to keep fighting these people.

The US government needs to make a choice

1)destroy all of those who side with them.
2) quit, pack up, leave Isreal alone and do what the terrorists want.

Either way I will keep fighting against these people.

PS left wing people in the US never the will to fight anything.

and by leaving we are doing nothing to stop them from following us back home. MY will to fight as never been stronger. People in this country bitch about ho much money this war has cost. They don't know anything about paying for this war, I've paid for it with blood, sweat and tears. Money is cheap.with and support the terrorists
or I don't know where I can find a clearer picture of why we need to keep fighting these people.

The US government needs to make a choice

1)destroy all of those who side with them.
2) quit, pack up, leave Isreal alone and do what the terrorists want.

Either way I will keep fighting against these people.

Great. Just great. No concern that being there is turning more and more of the populace against you. Want to sap the will of these terrorists? Get the fucking population on your side, rather than strutting around bragging about how many people you're going to shoot.

You really can't see what's wrong with this, can you? You honestly think there's a set number of Evil Terrorists (tm), and once you shoot 'em all, then everything will be hunky-dory.

I sincerely hope you're one of the 101st Fighting Keyboards and not in active service- if you are, then you're a fucking disgrace.

PS left wing people in the US never the will to fight anything.

Run along, little troll.

On the other hand they don't go around casually shooting at you, and occupying your country.

So things are somewhat different.

Yes.

We utterly destroyed the means of production for the axis forces. It wasn't about crushing the will to fight as far as Germany went, because the SS and Volksturm were fighting in defensive nests right up until May the second.

The real hammer blows came in the destruction of the largest synthetic oil plants and destroying the V1 sites, so that the German propaganda machine had nothing more to throw at its public to convince them to fight.



With Japan, there was a weapon which was going to utterly annihilate the Japanese unless they caved in. They also had little or nothing they could do about it. So instead of inevitably losing mass casualties, they signed an armistice.

As for Italy in World War 2, it was basically a war that the Italian people didn't want, and the Italian government couldn't afford. So their loss was always going to happen.

I really couldn't say.

Some Germans I've met have joked about it all, others have been somewhat more hostile.

As to Japan, I don't really know anyone Japanese and really can't help there.

Assuming you want people in the area to die, then yes, that's the way forward. I don't, because there's nothing to be gained from it.

Yeah, basically.

1) You can't, because there's no risk to the US or UK on a remotely similar scale, so the general public has no real desire to see people getting shot up for essentially no reason.

2) What's there to win?

"omfg the US is going to get pwned by Allah lol just liyk West Africa. Omfg i pwn j00. And j00s."

Basically.

So the killing of around 4,000 or so Americans over the last 30 years isn't good enough reason? The general public is weak, and doesn't like anything to inconvenience them. They would rather think about who the next American Idol is going to be, not think about a war that we are going to lose and is going to destroy our way of life.

My "fail" stamp must be around here somewhere...

My "fail" stamp must be around here somewhere...

Allow me,

http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/fail.jpg

So the killing of around 4,000 or so Americans over the last 30 years isn't good enough reason?
Ok..... what?

Here is a different link, if you can't watch that I'll start writing.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/new_tape_old_th.html

i cant watch video of any kind.

"omfg the US is going to get pwned by Allah lol just liyk West Africa. Omfg i pwn j00. And j00s."

Basically.

well in that case i hope he includes why he would think that such an argument is powerful.

part of the problem with dealing with these islamic terrorists groups is that their qualifications for winning are so low that its all but impossible to have a situation that we do not lose.

no defeat is so crushing that they cant claim "one of our guys survived, we won".

well in that case i hope he includes why he would think that such an argument is powerful.

part of the problem with dealing with these islamic terrorists groups is that their qualifications for winning are so low that its all but impossible to have a situation that we do not lose.

no defeat is so crushing that they cant claim "one of our guys survived, we won".

Well, if we look at it based on our criteria of winning and losing, it's hard to be in a position where we lose (unless your criteria are "they're still pissed at us").

We could do what the government in Afghanistan did when the Taliban took over. Just lay down and let them do it.

I believe a fair number of people on this forum hate Western society enough, and feel that Western society is sufficiently worthless that they would never fight to defend it, even in their own homes. It's easier for them to just lay down, and let fundamentalists take over.

Perish forbid that they were fundamentalist Christians - they might fight that, or at least yell about it. But until one of them was executed for being a non-believer, I'm sure they would welcome fundamentalist Islam with open arms.

Well, if we look at it based on our criteria of winning and losing, it's hard to be in a position where we lose (unless your criteria are "they're still pissed at us").

We could do what the government in Afghanistan did when the Taliban took over. Just lay down and let them do it.


we won militarily long ago. in iraq.

in afghanistan we have toppled the taliban regime but that was a secondary goal to eradicating al qaeda in afghanistan and capturing or killing osama bin laden.

we have no goals left that the military can deal with. except in a security support role of course.

we need to start working on PR. to convince the arab/islamic masses that we have won, that we are not their enemy, that we are the good guys who are trying to prevent the terrorists from killing civilians in iraq and afghanistan.

just like john kerry in '04, we are letting the opposition define the debate.

Well, if (.....) open arms.

Troll much?

we won militarily long ago. in iraq.

in afghanistan we have toppled the taliban regime but that was a secondary goal to eradicating al qaeda in afghanistan and capturing or killing osama bin laden.

we have no goals left that the military can deal with. except in a security support role of course.

we need to start working on PR. to convince the arab/islamic masses that we have won, that we are not their enemy, that we are the good guys who are trying to prevent the terrorists from killing civilians in iraq and afghanistan.

just like john kerry in '04, we are letting the opposition define the debate.

Well, the goals in Iraq have changed.

We're now in the unenviable role of propping up a government composed of people who will start killing each other the moment we leave the country.

Probably better to leave now, and let it happen (hopefully they get it out of their system quickly). We don't have the backbone or stomach to stick it out for 40 years while they grow up and learn to get along.

just like john kerry in '04, we are letting the opposition define the debate.

Oooh... don't compare Beloved Dear Leader's Iraq policy to The Unmentionable One's 2004 campaign... you might set Kimchi off.

Oooh... don't compare Beloved Dear Leader's Iraq policy to The Unmentionable One's 2004 campaign... you might set Kimchi off.

lol

while i dont think it can be called flamebait, it IS payback for his "the liberals hate america" rant.

Well, the goals in Iraq have changed.

We're now in the unenviable role of propping up a government composed of people who will start killing each other the moment we leave the country.

Probably better to leave now, and let it happen (hopefully they get it out of their system quickly). We don't have the backbone or stomach to stick it out for 40 years while they grow up and learn to get along.

our army is unsuited to babysitting.

i agree with bill richardson that we need a multinational force containing no US (and probably no UK or "coalition of the willing" troops) to keep order in iraq until they develop the habit of popular government.

it is crazy to think that a government made up of people who never had any real power in their lives can figure out how to do their jobs in the short time they have been at it. if we want a real democracy to exist in a unified iraq it might indeed take 40 years to settle in.

Awww, look! It's a wittle bitty baby troll! How cute! And if it eats its veggies and takes its vitamins, it might grow up to be a real asshole!

Perish forbid that they were fundamentalist Christians - they might fight that, or at least yell about it. But until one of them was executed for being a non-believer, I'm sure they would welcome fundamentalist Islam with open arms.

And this, little baby troll, is how a grown up troll acts.

PS left wing people in the US never the will to fight anything.

It's usually a good idea to write in coherent sentances, d00d.

It's usually a good idea to write in coherent sentances, d00d.

Its also a good idea to get sleep, but sometimes it doesn't work out. :p

So the killing of around 4,000 or so Americans over the last 30 years isn't good enough reason? The general public is weak, and doesn't like anything to inconvenience them. They would rather think about who the next American Idol is going to be, not think about a war that we are going to lose and is going to destroy our way of life.
Americans getting shot up under the pretenses of free'um and 'mocracy is going to be the new way of life post September 11th.

This is simply how it is.

Incidentally, you sure you don't mean '3 years' instead of thirty?

The general public is weak, and doesn't like anything to inconvenience them. They would rather think about who the next American Idol is going to be, not think about a war that we are going to lose and is going to destroy our way of life.

My way of life has already been destroyed :(

Its also a good idea to get sleep, but sometimes it doesn't work out. :p

Troof. I got not a wink last night, thanks to worries about my first therapy appt (for anxiety... god is an iron sometimes) and our new kitty, aka The Mouthy Little Drama Queen. She's a stray who adopted us,and she's still getting used to having people and another cat around her. Poor thing, she doesn't even know how to hunt or seem to understand the whole 'social grooming' concept. And she's got some Siamese in her, we think, because as I said above, she's mouthy. But I've got valerian for tonight, so hopefully there'll be some sleeping in my future.

Americans getting shot up under the pretenses of free'um and 'mocracy is going to be the new way of life post September 11th.

This is simply how it is.

Incidentally, you sure you don't mean '3 years' instead of thirty?


Nope 30 years. If you want to add the other 4,000 thats ok as well. I'm not really into the body count game, because the US always wins it.

Nope 30 years. If you want to add the other 4,000 thats ok as well. I'm not really into the body count game, because the US always wins it.
Wait, what's this?

The US Military can utterly lay the smackdown on any third-world country you like in the world shocker?

Nope 30 years. If you want to add the other 4,000 thats ok as well. I'm not really into the body count game, because the US always wins it.

Well indeed. Unfortunately, the conflicts into which you involve yourself tend to be against those rather more committed, and less developed, than yourself, which not only perpetuates the mantle of the big bad bully you now sport, but also ensures that no amount of force short of anhillation will bring about a US victory.

Nope 30 years. If you want to add the other 4,000 thats ok as well. I'm not really into the body count game, because the US always wins it.

And there lies the insight into your thoughts.

"Don't fuck with us, cos we will win!"

Never mind the rights and wrongs or moralities of any given situation, just "America, fuck yeah!!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is how we can really cut and run from the Muslims. I think a lot of far left people are on par with this shit bag. Tell me what you all think.

"a pull out of Iraq will get you nowhere"

This is why we are still in Iraq. To kill these people, they want to take us to our bloody end. He is right, we are letting them win, because we can't fight a real war against them.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=nE2sh2VISTI

He painted a pretty clear picture on how to prevent attack, should we just wave the white flag and do all that stuff he said? What do you all think?

If it's waving the white flag you're afraid of, then it's more an issue of HOW we leave rather than leaving itself.

EDIT: Note I am against the continuation of the Iraq War.

I'm not talking about the Iraq War.

Bin Laden was really pissed at Zarqawi for starting "al-Qaeda in Iraq". They initially blessed his actions, but thought that Iraq was just a side matter.

Al-Qaeda wants to fight in America.

That's the war I'm talking about.

You are DK, you have zero credibility.

You are DK, you have zero credibility.

QFT.

2) quit, pack up, leave Isreal alone and do what the terrorists want.

I don't see why this would be so bad. Israel can handle itself, can't it?

They managed to take over Afghanistan for quite a while.

They're doing a number on Iraq. Apparently, since the British have begun to withdraw from Basra, the place is plunging into sectarian violence, as radical religious elements struggle for local control.

They certainly have, and can, and are trying, to destroy a state and take over.

Quote out of context, will you? ;)

I do not think that Osama bin Laden at any time controlled Afghanistan, do you? Really?

The Taliban are a domestic force, from one of the ethnic groups within the country.

Well indeed. Unfortunately, the conflicts into which you involve yourself tend to be against those rather more committed, and less developed, than yourself, which not only perpetuates the mantle of the big bad bully you now sport, but also ensures that no amount of force short of anhillation will bring about a US victory.

I love the last line of that, that is what we need to do. ANHILLATION OF THE ENEMY IS THE GOAL.

We need to tell them this as well, just like we did to Japan. Then we need to carry out the mission of winning the war against them.

For the most part they are more committed, but there are some in this country who are just as committed to winning as the enemy is. I am one of those.

i sense rizzo is stirring shit with a big stick which i think is great and there should be more of it on nation states!!:p

I love the last line of that, that is what we need to do. ANHILLATION OF THE ENEMY IS THE GOAL.

We need to tell them this as well, just like we did to Japan. Then we need to carry out the mission of winning the war against them.

For the most part they are more committed, but there are some in this country who are just as committed to winning as the enemy is. I am one of those.

So I take it you'd be all hard for dropping a nuclear weapon onto Iraq and Afghanistan.

Brilliant.

You're a better Al'Qaeda recruiter than Bin Ladin himself.

I love the last line of that, that is what we need to do. ANHILLATION OF THE ENEMY IS THE GOAL.

We need to tell them this as well, just like we did to Japan. Then we need to carry out the mission of winning the war against them.

For the most part they are more committed, but there are some in this country who are just as committed to winning as the enemy is. I am one of those.


And how would you define "winning" in Iraq?

And how would you define "winning" in Iraq?

Ever played one of those FPS' where there's a set number of enemies you have to kill, with a little counter in the top right corner of the screen telling how many more you've got to go?

Yeah, that's what it's like in Rizzo's head.

Ever played one of those FPS' where there's a set number of enemies you have to kill, with a little counter in the top right corner of the screen telling how many more you've got to go?

Yeah, that's what it's like in Rizzo's head.

If Rizzo was paying attention to the teller, he/she would notice that the teller is going up instead of down

Different terrorists have different goals.

An examination of al-Qaeda (Bin Laden's) goals:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200201/gerecht

Note that al-Zarqawi (the now dead man who founded "al-Qaeda in Iraq" just before our invasion) ran counter to Bin Laden's goals - Bin Laden wanted to fight the US in the US - not kill mostly Shias and civilians in Iraq. So Zarqawi had different goals.

al-Sadr, the Shia "cleric", has his own goals - rallying the urban poor Shias to his side, and taking power in Iraq.

There are two major divisions within the Palestinians, each composed of a myriad number of clans and groups - some family based, some extreme Islamic, and some actual Communist holdouts. Most of them, at a minimum, want to kill all the Jews, destroy Israel, and rename it Palestine.

There are many other Islamic-based or related organizations who contribute to most of today's terrorism. Most of them receive funding from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States (the exception being that Shia organizations get money from Iran). They also smuggle drugs and diamonds for cash.

Close up, it may not be discernable to anyone that an individual fighter or terrorist is anything more than a gang member - someone with an ability to wear a black ski mask, carry an AK, wear a suicide belt, intimidate the locals, show up for parades (chanting and waving the AK), making money day to day by doing criminal activities, and attending occasional tirades at the foot of the leader.

Many do this because they are paid - being a paid member of a gang is better than trying to eke out a living in some Mideast countries. In addition, there's a certain panache that young men feel they deserve, and they find, in belonging to such organizations. And, with the icing of religion slathered on top, they feel they actually have a purpose - that any criminal enterprise they engage in, from intimidation, to drug smuggling, to killing - is holy and correct.

Now, the leader, during his speeches and writing, espouses different goals. Bin Laden's is the idea of getting rid of the non-believers, one by one, around the globe, through continuous warfare. Making the Earth Dar al-Islam. Palestinians would be happy if the Jews died overnight. al-Sadr would be happy if he ran Iraq, and could slaughter the Sunnis. Some Sunnis would be happy just to run Iraq, and slaughter the Shias, and maybe even a few Kurds.

Nope 30 years.

I still want to know where this comes from.

Ever played one of those FPS' where there's a set number of enemies you have to kill, with a little counter in the top right corner of the screen telling how many more you've got to go?

Yeah, that's what it's like in Rizzo's head.Rizzo (http://www.spikedhumor.com/Article.aspx?id=391)

close enough
:D

Different(There is a random chance some of this may resemble truth) a few Kurds.

Really......

Really......

Nice distortion of post on your account. I take it you have no rational argument (as usual), and just resort to sliming and trolling.

Nice distortion of post on your account. I take it you have no rational argument (as usual), and just resort to sliming and trolling.

..says the bullshit artist of notable hilarities like the 'pork off the menu' debacle, the 'Israel causes erectile dysfunction' shite who, having lied for a while, departed the scene tail between slimy legs.

Is "sliming and trolling" a legal term?

..says the bullshit artist of notable hilarities like the 'pork off the menu' debacle, the 'Israel causes erectile dysfunction' shite who, having lied for a while, departed the scene tail between slimy legs.

Is "sliming and trolling" a legal term?

Sliming and Trolling sounds like something either a hooker would offer or what you'd do to catch certain fish. Or maybe both!

Presumably he'll be back to tell us he was a 'hooker' as well, and that we know nothing of 'pimps', 'Ho's' and such like.