NationStates Jolt Archive


China's Disgusting Shame

Tartarystan
07-08-2007, 08:47
Abuse of the lower class has become a national pastime and sport of Communist China.

(Note, I'm too lazy to type out Mainland China, Communist China, the People's Republic of China, or etc, so just assume whenever I say China, I'm referring to the People's Republic of China, not the other one, the Republic of China.)

Worker's rights simply do not exist in China. Trade unions are effectively banned, employers have no regulations or restrictions. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese workers die every year just from industrial accidents, a rapidly rising number that is rising yearly. China is responsible for over 80% of workplace deaths in the world. I'm not sure how America ranks on that, but considering the fact that we can usually sue for employer negligence in America and earn lots of money, I can assume it's much much much smaller.

The worst part is, Altruism is not considered a positive trait in China by many. Many of the rich urbanites loathe helping the poorer urbanites and rural residents at all, classifying most as subhuman. Chinese will rush to work at American businesses that pay them six dollars a day for twelve hours of work simply because those conditions are so much much much much better than almost all jobs a Chinese citizen can get. American and other Western companies that put Chinese in sweatshop conditions are doing them a FAVOR. There is a reason Chinese will line up to try to get these jobs. It is because jobs from domestic companies are so poor, these jobs look like paradise. Not to mention the chances of violently dying is usually less.

The poor and rich divide is incredible in China. Most Chinese live in poverty that most westerners can't even imagine. No, the government doesn't like to show the hordes of the poor in China who are worked to death. For one, their legitimacy as a "People's Republic" would hit zero. They only show the rich urbanites who live in the rich cities like Shanghai. Huge shantytowns ring every major Chinese city, literally breeding grounds for misery. Do they ever show it off? No, they only show off the dazzling skyscrapers of the richest in China.

China is a revolutionary Marxist wet dream. It is truly a place where class conflict could occur. Of course, the concept of class conflict is completely illegitimate in the U.S.A. and many other Western countries for a few reasons. In America, if we're raking in hordes of cash, we consider ourselves upper-middle class. If we're struggling, we consider ourselves lower-middle class. Class distinction isn't very large in America, which helps explain how Socialism never erupted as violently as it did in other countries. Class isn't the major divider. We have other dividers *cough* race *cough*.

But enough about that. Class distinctions are paramount in China. In China, someone from a different class might be from a different country, or hell, according to some, literally a different species from you, as often many upper-class Chinese do not view lower-class Chinese as human beings. The Chinese upper class expresses a callous and unprecedented disregard of humanity. Horrifying, but understandable when you realize how altruism is simultaneously seen as shameful and disgusting. Some accuse the Western upper class of doing this, but there's absolutely no comparison at all. Social inequality has practically ascended to a greater level of existence as it has in China than in the West (obviously bad for China).

Class conflict is horrifying in China. The Tienanmen Square protests of 1989 literally doomed themselves when the rich Urbanites refused to associate with the poorer Urbanites and completely rejected any rural inhabitants, mostly because many rich Urbanites believed that they should be the only ones that should be allowed to participate in a "democracy" (though that would really make it an oligarchy).

The Chinese worker is not only seen by the Chinese government and Chinese corporations as disposable and expendable resources, they are also viewed that way by many upper-class Chinese! This kind of mindset is effectively unprecedented in the West and absolutely shameful. The greed and inhumanity in China is horrifying.

China's class divide is frankly shameful. As it stands, with all of the regional divides, linguistic divide, cultural divide, and most glaringly, class divide, the concept of China as a nationstate is really questionable. China's blatant mistreatment and abuse of everyone else not high in society is shameful and disgusting.
Tartarystan
07-08-2007, 09:21
你能说中文?
Lorkhan
07-08-2007, 09:26
Informative.
Barringtonia
07-08-2007, 09:28
Informative.

...and mostly the ranting of someone who's from either Taiwan or an emigrant of China, I'd go with the latter.
Gauthier
07-08-2007, 09:37
And everyone can thank Wal-Mart for being at the head of the push to drive almost all of America's manufacturing jobs to this wonderful bastion of human rights and class equality.

Whenever Sparky chokes on tainted dog food, or your little girl turns into a dumbfuck retard because she sucked on that lead-coated Dora the Explorer toy, you can thank China and Wal-Mart for that.
Furystania
07-08-2007, 09:39
...and mostly the ranting of someone who's from either Taiwan or an emigrant of China, I'd go with the latter.

What's your problem? Working for the party or the state controlled media? Get bent.
Australiasiaville
07-08-2007, 09:41
<snip>

Breaking news! The allies have declared war on Germany!
Barringtonia
07-08-2007, 09:50
What's your problem? Working for the party or the state controlled media? Get bent.

My problem is that China is of strong interest to me and I therefore will take issue against rants and raves about it - I'm not one for defending many aspects of the China government's actions but I will defend the many good and charitable people living in China.

Look at Mengniu as an example of a Chinese company that is giving back to its suppliers and lifting people out of poverty.

To say altruism is 'disgusting and shameful' in the eyes of Chinese - from someone who probably is Chinese - is simply a rant by someone who's likely ashamed of their own country, not a considered view of a rapidly growing country.

So I call it as I see it.

If Tartarystan tells me different then fine but I willing to bet I'm not wrong on my supposition about who s/he is.
Lorkhan
07-08-2007, 09:56
I don't think China is as bad as this poster is saying it is right now, but I don't think it's as great as many say it is either. Every developing nation has it's victims and those who reap the rewards that'll set the landscape of the nation for all classes. The same thing happened to my people when the Anglo-saxons came to America. You don't see me complaining.
Yootopia
07-08-2007, 12:57
*scratches head somewhat*

Ermm... yes...
Kryozerkia
07-08-2007, 13:35
Source it or give relevant statistics.
Jeruselem
07-08-2007, 13:42
I'm Chinese (ethically) and having looking at Chinese history - Chinese rulers have been treating their worker like rubbish for thousands of years. The commies aren't any different from the Chinese emperors.
GreaterPacificNations
07-08-2007, 15:15
你能说中文?

我会说中文
GreaterPacificNations
07-08-2007, 15:19
I'm Chinese (ethically) and having looking at Chinese history - Chinese rulers have been treating their worker like rubbish for thousands of years. The commies aren't any different from the Chinese emperors.

QFT

It is a common joke that the current admin is simply the 'Mao dynasty', an assessment I would agree with. After conquering China, Mao simply picked up the social constructs of Imperial China, changed a few labels, and went on with it. 1000 years later, Communist china will be noted as an unusual dynasty of Emperors, nothing more.
Barringtonia
07-08-2007, 15:44
QFT

It is a common joke that the current admin is simply the 'Mao dynasty', an assessment I would agree with. After conquering China, Mao simply picked up the social constructs of Imperial China, changed a few labels, and went on with it. 1000 years later, Communist china will be noted as an unusual dynasty of Emperors, nothing more.

It's changing, for all those who call globalization a bad thing, it's a freaking great thing for China.

Forget communism, the old danwei system is dying by the day, countries change and the global economy is speeding things along mightily.
GreaterPacificNations
07-08-2007, 15:53
Indeed, like most dictatorships and juntas in the increasingly globalised world, the Chinese government finds money much more attractive than power (i.e. liquid power v.s. static power). Another reason capitalism is probably the greatest benevolent creation humanity has ever birthed.
Katganistan
07-08-2007, 16:23
All the more reason to read your labels before deciding to buy folks.

I'd rather pay more for the product and have the workers paid more than deal with tainted food and dangerous goods.
Occeandrive3
07-08-2007, 16:45
The Chinese worker is seen by the Chinese corporations (and by many upper-class Chinese! and the Gov) as disposable and expendable resources.

This kind of mindset is effectively unprecedented in the Westunprecedented?
really?
Katganistan
07-08-2007, 17:20
unprecedented?
really?

Hardly. He should see Sinclair's The Jungle and, oh, the history of the Industrial Revolution.
La Habana Cuba
07-08-2007, 18:56
Abuse of the lower class has become a national pastime and sport of Communist China.

(Note, I'm too lazy to type out Mainland China, Communist China, the People's Republic of China, or etc, so just assume whenever I say China, I'm referring to the People's Republic of China, not the other one, the Republic of China.)

Worker's rights simply do not exist in China. Trade unions are effectively banned, employers have no regulations or restrictions. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese workers die every year just from industrial accidents, a rapidly rising number that is rising yearly. China is responsible for over 80% of workplace deaths in the world. I'm not sure how America ranks on that, but considering the fact that we can usually sue for employer negligence in America and earn lots of money, I can assume it's much much much smaller.

The worst part is, Altruism is not considered a positive trait in China by many. Many of the rich urbanites loathe helping the poorer urbanites and rural residents at all, classifying most as subhuman. Chinese will rush to work at American businesses that pay them six dollars a day for twelve hours of work simply because those conditions are so much much much much better than almost all jobs a Chinese citizen can get. American and other Western companies that put Chinese in sweatshop conditions are doing them a FAVOR. There is a reason Chinese will line up to try to get these jobs. It is because jobs from domestic companies are so poor, these jobs look like paradise. Not to mention the chances of violently dying is usually less.

The poor and rich divide is incredible in China. Most Chinese live in poverty that most westerners can't even imagine. No, the government doesn't like to show the hordes of the poor in China who are worked to death. For one, their legitimacy as a "People's Republic" would hit zero. They only show the rich urbanites who live in the rich cities like Shanghai. Huge shantytowns ring every major Chinese city, literally breeding grounds for misery. Do they ever show it off? No, they only show off the dazzling skyscrapers of the richest in China.

China is a revolutionary Marxist wet dream. It is truly a place where class conflict could occur. Of course, the concept of class conflict is completely illegitimate in the U.S.A. and many other Western countries for a few reasons. In America, if we're raking in hordes of cash, we consider ourselves upper-middle class. If we're struggling, we consider ourselves lower-middle class. Class distinction isn't very large in America, which helps explain how Socialism never erupted as violently as it did in other countries. Class isn't the major divider. We have other dividers *cough* race *cough*.

But enough about that. Class distinctions are paramount in China. In China, someone from a different class might be from a different country, or hell, according to some, literally a different species from you, as often many upper-class Chinese do not view lower-class Chinese as human beings. The Chinese upper class expresses a callous and unprecedented disregard of humanity. Horrifying, but understandable when you realize how altruism is simultaneously seen as shameful and disgusting. Some accuse the Western upper class of doing this, but there's absolutely no comparison at all. Social inequality has practically ascended to a greater level of existence as it has in China than in the West (obviously bad for China).

Class conflict is horrifying in China. The Tienanmen Square protests of 1989 literally doomed themselves when the rich Urbanites refused to associate with the poorer Urbanites and completely rejected any rural inhabitants, mostly because many rich Urbanites believed that they should be the only ones that should be allowed to participate in a "democracy" (though that would really make it an oligarchy).

The Chinese worker is not only seen by the Chinese government and Chinese corporations as disposable and expendable resources, they are also viewed that way by many upper-class Chinese! This kind of mindset is effectively unprecedented in the West and absolutely shameful. The greed and inhumanity in China is horrifying.

China's class divide is frankly shameful. As it stands, with all of the regional divides, linguistic divide, cultural divide, and most glaringly, class divide, the concept of China as a nationstate is really questionable. China's blatant mistreatment and abuse of everyone else not high in society is shameful and disgusting.

I agree with you, but so what? Cuba has upcoming democratic socialist elections in one political party state dictatorship where the government always officially gets 95 + % support, had a constitutional amendment referandum to its constitution to declare its socialist economic, political and social system irrevocable, which according to the government over 99 % Percent of all elegible Cuban voters supported.

Which hires and fires all Cuban employees for foreign companys mostly Canadian and European, and pays them about 5 % of the hard currency money it gets per worker in Cuban national currency which is practically worthless except in Cuba, and some people call Cupon money, and it seems like most leaders of the world and most persons dont care, as you all know I could go on and on.

Which has neiborhood Committes for the Defense of the Revolution, not government, not administration but permanent for life Revolution dictatorship.

Fast post on short notice.