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Police in Iran have arrested 230 people for holding a party in Iran, the party seems to have been organized by rich, returnee emigrants from Sweden and the UK

The event included rock and rap performers as well as female singers, who are banned under Iran's Islamic laws.

Female singers are banned in Iran?

The authorities described the artistes as "satanist" without elaborating.

What part of satanist do you not understand says Iran?

Although security guards were hired to act as lookouts and plans were made to clear the site of alcohol and drugs the police found 150 bottles of alcohol and drugs, including marijuana.

230 people - 150 bottles? That's not a party, that's an evening tipple set to music.

"This is the first time that tens of male and female participants have been invited to such an event through an internet call," he told the semi-official ISNA news agency.

You know a party sucks when you're hearing 'dude, there's tens of people here'

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2142458,00.html)

Anyway, big up to Iran.

Your point being?

Iranian officials crack down on private parties?

or

Iranian parties are no fun?

The 150 bottles would have been lame, but then I noticed they also had Marijuana and other drugs, so my rating is moved up to, kinda of pathetic. ;)

On the one hand I was impressed that the party had been started at all, on the other I despair that it was closed and called satanic.

I despair that a country can stop its citizens from simply having fun.

It's not the religion so much, it's the country.

230 people can't gather and have a party - it sucks.

I suppose it's nothing new.

Your point being?

Iranian officials crack down on private parties?

or

Iranian parties are no fun?

I think both points are pretty valid here..

On the one hand I was impressed that the party had been started at all, on the other I despair that it was closed and called satanic.

I despair that a country can stop its citizens from simply having fun.

It's not the religion so much, it's the country.

230 people can't gather and have a party - it sucks.

I suppose it's nothing new.

that happens everywhere. fun is illegal unless you get a lisence to fleece your guests.

Tehran, meet Ohio, Ohio, meet Tehran.

Iran and Iraq should have another go at it.

Nothing unites countries like full scale wars.

I despair that a country can stop its citizens from simply having fun.your life must be full of despair.

On the one hand I was impressed that the party had been started at all, on the other I despair that it was closed and called satanic.

I despair that a country can stop its citizens from simply having fun.

It's not the religion so much, it's the country.

230 people can't gather and have a party - it sucks.

I suppose it's nothing new.Yes its a good thing they would never do anything like that in America. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrKR0yFrP8I)

Yes its a good thing they would never do anything like that in America. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrKR0yFrP8I)

There's a background sound of the helicopter over what sounds like a dog barking from about 01.25 in - very cool and worthy of mixing - that looks like the start of a good tune.

What is it about people gathering to music that gets people's backs up?

your life must be full of despair.

On the contrary, it despairs me because I've had so much fun I hate to see others denied.

Yes its a good thing they would never do anything like that in America. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrKR0yFrP8I)

isn't that the rave that had the drug deals being done by the rave's security, the missing or lack of permit to have that rave, and other issues?

Yes its a good thing they would never do anything like that in America. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrKR0yFrP8I) Raves are for idiots.

Raves are for idiots.

Surprised not to see you there then.

Raves are for idiots.

Thanks Pat.

There needs to be an Iranian version of Footloose. I'd watch it. :p

Raves are for idiots.Police States are for idiots.

isn't that the rave that had the drug deals being done by the rave's security, the missing or lack of permit to have that rave, and other issues?When do you call in the military for lack of Permit. You support military intervention for lack of permits?

Why don't they just have raves with Islamic rap music, you know and they can called taking E a 'spiritual experience with God'.

There needs to be an Iranian version of Footloose. I'd watch it. :p

I think there is, it's punishment for theft, the original - Handloose - wasn't entertaining enough apparently.

Am I the only person who thinks that having a party with 230 people is a decent turnout? I mean... I usually go to parties with like 20-40 people (probably more booze than there was at that party though).

This is why you always invite your cop friend. ;)

When do you call in the military for lack of Permit. You support military intervention for lack of permits? (Regarding the Utah rave raid) Did you read the police report? They had undercover cops there from the beginning, it was only after they broke the 250 rule that they moved in... That and they watched many people doing drugs and underage drinking.

It started at 7. The police raided it at around 11. That shows hesitation on the cops part.

Those people were not in the military, those were cops. Sorry kids. By the way I love when people post videos like that. There is no context to it at all. I guess we can all make up our own reasons why the cops are there....I bet we can all agree that it is somehow Bush's and the Jew's fault.

Those people were not in the military, those were cops. Sorry kids. By the way I love when people post videos like that. There is no context to it at all. I guess we can all make up our own reasons why the cops are there....I bet we can all agree that it is somehow Bush's and the Jew's fault.

That last sentence was a bit off don’t you think. There is absolutely no reason to connect Bush with Jews. Nor is there any reason to confuse legitimate political criticism of the US president with anti-Semitism.

That last sentence was a bit off don’t you think. There is absolutely no reason to connect Bush with Jews. Nor is there any reason to confuse legitimate political criticism of the US president with anti-Semitism.

Sorry I should have added some context to the Jew remark. I saw a 9/11 conspiracy video that said it was the Jews behind 9/11 so that America would attack Muslims. There is no confusion everything that happens anywhere in the world is either the Jews(Israel) or America(Bush)'s fault. :p

I think its funny that people whine about the killing of those who are against damn near everything they believe in; ex:women's rights, music, freedom of and for some from relegion, abortion rights, gay rights. All the liberals whine about the killing of people who would kill them if they had the chance. I'm fighting a war against people who want to change the way far left people live. Life for me under a facist Muslims government wouldn't change my life much, but I can't say the say for all of you.

Sorry I should have added some context to the Jew remark. I saw a 9/11 conspiracy video that said it was the Jews behind 9/11 so that America would attack Muslims. There is no confusion everything that happens anywhere in the world is either the Jews(Israel) or America(Bush)'s fault. :p

I think its funny that people whine about the killing of those who are against damn near everything they believe in; ex:women's rights, music, freedom of and for some from relegion, abortion rights, gay rights. All the liberals whine about the killing of people who would kill them if they had the chance. I'm fighting a war against people who want to change the way far left people live. Life for me under a facist Muslims government wouldn't change my life much, but I can't say the say for all of you.

Granted, if universalist Jihadist groups like al-Qaeda would rule the US liberals would have a hard time. But surely you must acknowledge that that is not going to happen. These radical fringe groups can cause a lot of damage, but cannot destroy a state. Islam is a very diverse religion and the vast majority of Muslims is traditionalist. There are some groups that are Islamists (adherents of a political ideology) but the vast majority of these has a local base. They want an Islamic state in their own country. Of all Islamists there are only a few that want an Islamic state spanning all Muslim counties, and only a handful of these think attacking the west helps them to get there.

Muslims do not hate the west; they generally like most of it. The only thing that unites some of these radicalist Islamist fringe groups is their hatred of US foreign policy.

Granted, if universalist Jihadist groups like al-Qaeda would rule the US liberals would have a hard time. But surely you must acknowledge that that is not going to happen. These radical fringe groups can cause a lot of damage, but cannot destroy a state. Islam is a very diverse religion and the vast majority of Muslims is traditionalist. There are some groups that are Islamists (adherents of a political ideology) but the vast majority of these has a local base. They want an Islamic state in their own country. Of all Islamists there are only a few that want an Islamic state spanning all Muslim counties, and only a handful of these think attacking the west helps them to get there.

Muslims do not hate the west; they generally like most of it. The only thing that unites some of these radicalist Islamist fringe groups is their hatred of US foreign policy.

You say they cannot destroy a state, look at Iran or Afganistan and when we leave Iraq. These people can and will destroy the world we know, given the chance. As many crazy dictators have proved you can rule a lot of people with very few.....Being in the military has given me a lot of insight into how weak America really is. Two well placed terror attacks could collapse the economy of America, which would lead to a collapse of the government. I do argee that it is a small percentage of Muslims who want to kill all non-believers and all that stuff. The only problem is that small group scares the other people into do nothing or helping them.

You say they cannot destroy a state, look at Iran or Afganistan and when we leave Iraq. These people can and will destroy the world we know, given the chance. As many crazy dictators have proved you can rule a lot of people with very few.....Being in the military has given me a lot of insight into how weak America really is. Two well placed terror attacks could collapse the economy of America, which would lead to a collapse of the government. I do argee that it is a small percentage of Muslims who want to kill all non-believers and all that stuff. The only problem is that small group scares the other people into do nothing or helping them.

Surely large domestic groups can take over a state, however these groups cannot take over a foreign state. It is like thinking that the Rote Armee Fraktion could take over the US. You should not confuse local Islamism like that of Iran or the Muslim brotherhood with these global Jihadists. Apples and Oranges actually. :)

These global Jihadists thrive because of US foreign policy, but remain fringe groups nonetheless. They do not have the support of the extremely diverse muslim populations, nor will they gain their support.

Local Islamists, however, can gain support because they are social movements from within the country. They are often the only serious opposition to autocratic regimes and provide the services the state cannot provide, like schooling, hospitals, social welfare etc. That is why Local Islamist groups can be successful (until they succeed and have to deal with the hard reality of governing a state; see Iranian post-Islamism), but radical global Jihadists cannot.

Those people were not in the military, those were cops. so what?
By the way I love when people post videos like that. There is no context to it at all. A picture is worth a thousand words, a video clip (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrKR0yFrP8I) is worth 10000 -they say- and they are rite.
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I guess we can all make up our own reasons why the cops are there..yes i am sure you will try to make up your own reasons. ;)I bet we can all agree that it is somehow Bush's and the Jew's fault.see? -I told you- I knew you would try to make up some lame excuses for that -police state- intervention.
silly boy. :p

Fuck Iran, I don't care anymore.

(Regarding the Utah rave raid) Did you read the police report?I really would not believe anything the Stasi wrote in their reports. They had undercover cops there from the beginning, it was only after they broke the 250 rule that they moved in... That and they watched many people doing drugs and underage drinking. So you believe a boot stepping on the neck and an M16 to the back of the head is the proper way to deal with non violent teenagers and young adults who experiment with drugs and drink underage?

It started at 7. The police raided it at around 11. That shows hesitation on the cops part.Your view of hesitation is soldiers in Battle Dress Uniforms with ski masks, assault rifles and helicopters on young people who are hurting absolutely no one? I hope you never have kids!

Those people were not in the military, those were cops.Where were their badges? By the way I love when people post videos like that.You like pictures of police brutality and force on nonviolent kids? There is no context to it at all.Their is never really a context to police brutality its nothing more than cops/soldiers getting off on the power they have over people.
I guess we can all make up our own reasons why the cops are there....I bet we can all agree that it is somehow Bush's and the Jew's fault.Well it is Bush's fault for implementing his police state policies but most of all it is people like you who's fault it is because you make pitiful excuses for the the ever growing police state in this country.

Back to the "party" in Iran; that wasn't a real party. It isn't a party until someone's top comes off. :D

Female singers are banned in Iran?

Iran's fucktardery has long since ceased to shock me. I honestly don't think I'd be particularly surprised if Ahmadinejad released a music video of himself dancing on the top of a zeppelin flying over America, while biting the heads of kittens and flinging his own faeces at passing seagulls, all to the tune of Abba's Chiquitita.

Iran's fucktardery has long since ceased to shock me. I honestly don't think I'd be particularly surprised if Ahmadinejad released a music video of himself dancing on the top of a zeppelin flying over America, while biting the heads of kittens and flinging his own faeces at passing seagulls, all to the tune of Abba's Chiquitita.

Dude, that would be a huge hit on YouTube!

Where were their badges? You like pictures of police brutality and force on nonviolent kids? Their is never really a context to police brutality its nothing more than cops/soldiers getting off on the power they have over people.
Well it is Bush's fault for implementing his police state policies but most of all it is people like you who's fault it is because you make pitiful excuses for the the ever growing police state in this country.

SWAT hardly ever show badges, also the military does not act in the way that those police did. There must be context as to why those police were there. A raid like that doesn't come out of nowhere. There has to be intel behind it. You my friend have little to no understanding how police departments or for that matter the military work. Oh and the growing police state bullshit, I'm a US Marine Corp Infantrymen. I'm sorry to tell you that we aren't planning a coup anytime soon, but when we do you'll be the first to know. Maybe all of Infantry guys are too stupid to see that we are going to be used as part of a police state here, but for the record most of the guys here are redneck boys who would much rather live off the land on a farm somewhere then run a police state.

But by all means, if you feel that we are in a growing police state it is your right and duty to fight those you feel are turning it into one. So by all means.
:mp5:

Female singers are banned in Iran?
Technically, no, but they have to be solo artists or play in an all-female band, as well as only playing live to groups made entirely of women.

Incidentally, does anyone else imagine a reverse Life-of-Brian-Stoningesque scene here?

"Are there any MEN here?"
*shave beards, sqeeze balls*
"Nonononono!"

Raves are for idiots.
Pfft. I disagree.

When do you call in the military for lack of Permit. You support military intervention for lack of permits?they were not military. but swat.

so what? it proves LEFTHANDEDSUPREMACIST didn't research the event and is jumping to conclusions.

I really would not believe anything the Stasi wrote in their reports. So you believe a boot stepping on the neck and an M16 to the back of the head is the proper way to deal with non violent teenagers and young adults who experiment with drugs and drink underage?yet you would believe a blog?

Your view of hesitation is soldiers in Battle Dress Uniforms with ski masks, assault rifles and helicopters on young people who are hurting absolutely no one? I hope you never have kids!what soldiers. everyone else, from NEWS outlets to Wiki says SWAT. and count how many kids had "Boots to the neck and an M16 to the back of their head." I want you to say how many had that.

and feel free to screen cap the image from your YouTube vid showing the M16 and boot placement.

Where were their badges? You like pictures of police brutality and force on nonviolent kids? Their is never really a context to police brutality its nothing more than cops/soldiers getting off on the power they have over people. where are the m16's you say are there? where is the boot to the neck? you don't see one pistol drawn, so where are the M16's? and you reallly should read the story behind that 'rave raid' since you are leaving out such lovely information such as drug dealing, lack of permit required to hold an event of that size, and other rule breaking.
Well it is Bush's fault for implementing his police state policies but most of all it is people like you who's fault it is because you make pitiful excuses for the the ever growing police state in this country.here we go... the "Blame EVERYTHING on Bush" plan of attack. :rolleyes: Nevermind that the STATES and CITIES run the Police force and not the Federal Government. I really suggest checking the size of your tin foil hat I think it's cutting oxygen and blood to your brain...

Technically, no, but they have to be solo artists or play in an all-female band, as well as only playing live to groups made entirely of women.

Incidentally, does anyone else imagine a reverse Life-of-Brian-Stoningesque scene here?

"Are there any MEN here?"
*shave beards, sqeeze balls*
"Nonononono!"

wigs... wigs will be needed... so a wig salesman.

Where were their badges?
Keep in mind that SWAT generally don't show their badges when on a mission. That's sort of how it's always been.
Their is never really a context to police brutality its nothing more than cops/soldiers getting off on the power they have over people.
Disagreed. Everything has a context on some level or other. This looks like a raid.
Well it is Bush's fault for implementing his police state policies but most of all it is people like you who's fault it is because you make pitiful excuses for the the ever growing police state in this country.
At least try a bit harder.

Bush's government has been a bad one, but for crying out loud, you can't say that a raid on a rave with people on drugs which then gets violent is completely out of the blue, nor anything that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.

it proves LEFTHANDEDSUPREMACIST didn't...its a detail.

its like someone was killed by a drunk driver, -the car was found- and you are childishly arguing whether the car color is called emerald green or turquoise green.

You focusing on details is not going to change the bottom line : overkill -police state- Law enforcement.

its a detail.

its like someone was killed by a drunk driver, -the car was found- and you are childishly arguing whether the car color is called emerald green or turquoise green.

You focusing on details is not going to change the bottom line : overkill -police state- Law enforcement.

except he claimed that the MILITARY was called to break up the rave. untrue. he also made claim about M16's and boot stomping which is not present in his linked video.

so to your analogy, it's very important. especially if the evidence shows the person was killed by an emerald green car but they found a dark green car.


And show me the overkill for that rave.

Incidentally, I officially declare the poll options to be teh awesomeness.

SWAT hardly ever show badges, also the military does not act in the way that those police did. There must be context as to why those police were there. A raid like that doesn't come out of nowhere. There has to be intel behind it.Well I guess you could say the same thing for the Iranian officials. What is the difference in using accessive force against non violent people or is it good when Americans do it and bad when Iranians do it because morality means nothing to you only bullshit patriotism rhetoric.
You my friend have little to no understanding how police departments or for that matter the military work. Oh and the growing police state bullshit,So you think it is ok for police to wear battle dress uniforms and ski masks while arresting non violent kids .(since when did the good guys start wearing ski mask).
I'm a US Marine Corp Infantrymen.Kudos to you for being a baby killer

But by all means, if you feel that we are in a growing police state it is your right and duty to fight those you feel are turning it into one. So by all means.
:mp5:Do not worry I will I am not some limp wristed hippy.

Your point being?

Iranian officials crack down on private parties?

or

Iranian parties are no fun?

I think the point is, fundamentalist Islam (the Shia variety in this case) is no fucking fun. Even when they aren't killing you, or blowing things up.

The shareef don't like it
Rockin the Casbah, rock the Casbah
The shareef don't like it
Rockin the Casbah, rock the Casbah…

Kudos to you for being a baby killer

Way over the line, Lefty. Knock it off. NOW.