NationStates Jolt Archive

I have to disagree with you, in general, though about democrats not being better. Admittedly, their persuasion is much softer and diplomatic in so many approaches...


Sure it is. Once they get caught in a bad situation and are searching for an out. Sure, Democrats are against the war now but only because it's all screwed up and their's a presidential election coming up.


The difference is, until only RECENTLY have *any* republicans come out of lockstep to start pointing out what was so fairly obvious to so many of us, and by far more of a number of democrats. Even ones willing to risk their careers.

Of course, plenty of Democrats and others saw that things were going to go bad from the very beginning. I don't deny this. But it doesn't change the fact that their party was and continues to be part of the problem.

I think the problem with American politics particularly is that you are too easily held hostage (to politicians) by emotions, be they fear, inspiration (blind patriotism) etc, you simply are not practical and realistic enough. You get played to medieval and silly notions of 'Americas Destiny' and 'Good Vs Evil' rather than looking at the world and your country in the complex terms it really is. 9/11 is a perfect example of this, your media and entire political establishment (both sides) pretty much brought everything the Bush admin fed to you and let him hijack the 'terrorism' hysteria to tear the Constitution apart and become authoritarian. I am sorry to say it, but the politicians are exploiting the collective ignorance of your country against you, people would much rather hear entertainment and sensational claims of a massive terrorist threat rather than the truth, they would rather put their hand on their heart and sing the anthem than question their politicians. I am telling you Americans, your founders are turning in their graves...

Seriously, are you suggesting a possible majority of independents?


I'm suggesting that if the Democrats were really any better on the issue than the Republicans, they would have voted "Nay" en masse, rather than "Yea." (Some did in fact vote "Nay," but not enough)

I am sorry to say it, but the politicians are exploiting the collective ignorance of your country against you, people would much rather hear entertainment and sensational claims of a massive terrorist threat rather than the truth, they would rather put their hand on their heart and sing the anthem than question their politicians.


Says the "corrupt dictatorship (http://www.nationstates.net/Andaras%20Prime)" of the "soviet socialist republic (http://www.nationstates.net/Andaras%20Prime)" ;)

I'm suggesting that if the Democrats were really any better on the issue than the Republicans, they would have voted "Nay" en masse, rather than "Yea." (Some did in fact vote "Nay," but not enough)
Not enough.
But year SEVEN of "not enough" is ... well, just a little more shmeer on the crap sandwich.

I agree with you on this and one of the other posts above, but i've felt that way since the "Patriot" Act. ALL BUT ONE of those motherfuckers sold us out.
I was an independent before that, and of course that issue hasn't helped them out in my esteem.

But i can't vote Cthulu (why settle for the lesser of two evils), as you know, so i instead have to, as i stated, choose my battles and damage control.

Says the "corrupt dictatorship (http://www.nationstates.net/Andaras%20Prime)" of the "soviet socialist republic (http://www.nationstates.net/Andaras%20Prime)" ;)

Well, you can't fault them for insight. Insight is obviously in short supply in these dire (as always) times.

I think the problem with American politics particularly is that you are too easily held hostage (to politicians) by emotions, be they fear, inspiration (blind patriotism) etc, you simply are not practical and realistic enough. You get played to medieval and silly notions of 'Americas Destiny' and 'Good Vs Evil' rather than looking at the world and your country in the complex terms it really is. 9/11 is a perfect example of this, your media and entire political establishment (both sides) pretty much brought everything the Bush admin fed to you and let him hijack the 'terrorism' hysteria to tear the Constitution apart and become authoritarian. I am sorry to say it, but the politicians are exploiting the collective ignorance of your country against you, people would much rather hear entertainment and sensational claims of a massive terrorist threat rather than the truth, they would rather put their hand on their heart and sing the anthem than question their politicians. I am telling you Americans, your founders are turning in their graves...

Believe me, many of us know, and have known pretty much from the get-go.
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I agree with you on this and one of the other posts above, but i've felt that way since the "Patriot" Act. ALL BUT ONE of those motherfuckers sold us out.
I was an independent before that, and of course that issue hasn't helped them out in my esteem.


Of course, the PATRIOT Act. How did I miss that one?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

If that's not a majority of Democrats/American Liberals walking hand in hand with Republican/American Conservative insanity, nothing is.

Q. E. f'ing D.


But i can't vote Cthulu (why settle for the lesser of two evils), as you know, so i instead have to, as i stated, choose my battles and damage control.

It just feels like trying to plug a totally collapsing Hoover Dam with my pinky finger. I don't want to vote so much as I want to flee in terror.

'Shared public interest' means that we avoid the massive duplication of effort and waste which comes because of individualist policies.
Is it just me or does this sound just like Khrushchev to Nixon: "why do you need so many different brands of washing machine?"

Well yeah a direct one, 1984 was also a commentary about how socialism became 'oligarchical collectivism'.
I agree with you about Animal Farm, but he kept very quiet about the way the world of 1984 came about. I don't think socialism was mentioned in any other form than that someone abused the word to make Ingsoc.

Barring further evidence, I suggest that 1984 is not a pro-socialist book but an anti-government book.

Of course, the PATRIOT Act. How did I miss that one?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

If that's not a majority of Democrats/American Liberals walking hand in hand with Republican/American Conservative insanity, nothing is.
And the predictable result of a relatively comfortable and complacent populace doing whatever first immature fluency of reagency when suddenly confronted with the fact that everyone fucks EVERYONE in this world, and money won't solve every problem (nor its pursuit of it, capitalism or otherwise)


It just feels like trying to plug a totally collapsing Hoover Dam with my pinky finger. I don't want to vote so much as I want to flee in terror.I don't think i'm fleeing anymore. Terror or no, it's turned to something else for me.

I don't think i'm fleeing anymore. Terror or no, it's turned to something else for me.

Last time I voted, I tried to vote Democrat. I honestly tried really hard.

But I'm a damn coward.

Last time I voted, I tried to vote Democrat. I honestly tried really hard.

But I'm a damn coward.

Most of us are until we feel there's no more room behind us or beside us.
These motherfuckers are shooting between our eyes and ears.

It's unfortunate that so much extremism, EVERYWHERE, is going to come from the arrogance, corruption, cowardice, and outright EVIL of the complicitude here.