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The only candidate of the current crop that I've ever supported was Kuicinich. Dodd would be tolerable.

As for Gore, Americans are even worse than they were in 2000. Gore wouldn't have a shot.

EDIT: OMG! My first OP steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so far I prefer Edwards or -better- Al Gore.

Anything for a vote?

Obama Would Launch Pakistan Invasion

Thursday, August 2, 2007-- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists.

In his most comprehensive statement on terrorism, the senator from Illinois said that the Iraq war has left the United States less safe than it was before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that if elected he would seek to withdraw U.S. troops and shift the country's military focus to threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"When I am president, we will wage the war that has to be won," he told an audience at the Woodrow Wilson Center in the District. He added, "The first step must be to get off the wrong battlefield in Iraq and take the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

Obama's warning to Musharraf drew sharp criticism from several of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, but not from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.).

Sources: W.Post/Yahoo/OccNEWS
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233_pf.html
so far I prefer Edwards or -better- Al Gore.

I don't get all the hoopla about Obama at all-his only political success is winning a Chicago election running as a Democrat against an out-of-towner who started late and alienated every media source who came near him in his first week. Hillary has done nothing in her Senate career and prior to that was known largely for offending enough people when she spoke that she'd disappear until whatever atrocity she uttered last was forgotten. Of course, the Republicans are so lacklustre as to require fingerprinting for identification, but still...

The only candidate of the current crop that I've ever supported was Kuicinich. Dodd would be tolerable.

As for Gore, Americans are even worse than they were in 2000. Gore wouldn't have a shot.

EDIT: OMG! My first OP steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like Kucinich. He seems like a stand up guy.

Dodd is pure evil.

I like Kucinich. He seems like a stand up guy.
It seems like the guy actually has principles.
Dodd is pure evil.
Why?

I would vote for any of the Democratic Candidates, with the exception of Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, because Kucinich is a fucking loony and Gravel's only future as a politician will be when the 7 dwarves elect Grumpy as their new leader...

And Edwards is a lying sack of shit who can't be trusted as far as he can be thrown.

so far I prefer Edwards or -better- Al Gore.

A populist douchebag who spends more money on his hairdo than his target audience spends on food in two months and a dude who isn't even a candidate, great selection Occean.

Kucinich is a fucking loony

What makes him loony?
His support for the IRA.
How much support we talking? Because if that's true, he doesn't have my support.

Why?

His support for the IRA. Also, his willingness to use taxpayer money to bail out wall street crooks. (He's totally a senator for goldman sachs).

What makes him loony?


The "Department of Peace"?

I say, let's vote for Mickey Mouse! M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E, Mickey Mouse!

How much support we talking? Because if that's true, he doesn't have my support.

Oh, he recently blocked an new extradition treaty with the UK in the senate to prevent alleged IRA fund raisers and operatives being sent to England/NI for trial.

And I believe there is quite a bit more going back over time.

I say, let's vote for Mickey Mouse! M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E, Mickey Mouse!

Here's your premium platinum champagne & Limo socialist trash-can, for your vote, sir.

Oh, he recently blocked an new extradition treaty with the UK in the senate to prevent alleged IRA fund raisers and operatives being sent to England/NI for trial.

And I believe there is quite a bit more going back over time.

What a pity. His people were doing an excellent job running his campaign. I was really being impressed.

I don't think he really had a chance anyway.

No, I don't beleive so, but he certainly was in the running for a Veep position or a Cabinet role.

What a pity. His people were doing an excellent job running his campaign. I was really being impressed.

I don't think he really had a chance anyway.

Oh, he recently blocked an new extradition treaty with the UK in the senate to prevent alleged IRA fund raisers and operatives being sent to England/NI for trial.

And I believe there is quite a bit more going back over time.
Well, fuck him then.
The "Department of Peace"?
What part of that is bad?
And he's not the first to propose something like it.

It's things like that which are the reason I support him.

What part of that is bad?
And he's not the first to propose something like it.

It's things like that which are the reason I support him.

While Benjamin Rush did propose a Department of Peace, he proposed a fundamentally different DoP from what Kucinich is proposing. His conceptualization of a DoP was an agency that would, essentially, govern the morality and behavior of the people according to Christian principles.

What part of that is bad?
And he's not the first to propose something like it.

It's things like that which are the reason I support him.

Other than being completely unnecessary (see, we have this thing called the Department of State...), poorly defined, and a sign of a candidate not engaged in reality?

Other than being completely unnecessary (see, we have this thing called the Department of State...), poorly defined, and a sign of a candidate not engaged in reality?
I've seen the proposal, and the State Department does none of the things the Dep of Peace would. I really like the idea of a position devoted entirely to peace having a seat on the national security council. Its still in the idea stage, of course it's poorly defined.

What's not real about it? The only reason it would never pass is because Americans are a bunch of uncivilized warmongers.

.......not engaged in reality......

Two things:

You could say that about every candidate, republican and democrat.

People also used to say that about Jerry Brown. Turns out he was just really smart and an original thinker.

Edwards/Obama '08.

Obama was on Late Nigh With Conan O' Brien in Chicago.

Is there any more to say?

Basking in Conan's glory is like being kissed by Jesus, but better!

Never intended to vote for either of them anyways. Go green party!

Niether.

Conservative.

Well Obama has pretty much screwed up his 'I opposed Iraq from the beginning while all the other Dems supported it' by pretty much selling out and becoming 'tough on terrorism', it's a real shame.

Hillary Clinton has proven to be a ruthless panderer time and time again in the Senate. Plus she has that Bitch Factor that would mobilize the Bushevik Horde come the 2008 Election. Therefore I'd vote for Barack Obama. A fresh new face who can do wonders towards repairing the damage done to the nation by Il Duh-ce and his cronies.

The only candidate of the current crop that I've ever supported was Kuicinich. Dodd would be tolerable.

As for Gore, Americans are even worse than they were in 2000. Gore wouldn't have a shot.

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Edwards fails my primary criterion for a good presidential candidate: would I trust him with the nuclear arsenal if and when feces strike the air circulation device.

Obama: Hell yes
Hillary: Yes
McCain: Hell Yes
Giuliani:Yes
Gore: Yes

Um....you havent heard of Ron Paul yet????

Um....you havent heard of Ron Paul yet????

I've heard of him. He's the Republican with ties to racist organizations. Who would vote for him?

I've heard of him. He's the Republican with ties to racist organizations. Who would vote for him?

Yeah, only reason people like him is cause he is the only rep. pres. candidate that opposes the war in Iraq. Big whoop

Hillary Clinton has proven to be a ruthless panderer time and time again in the Senate. Plus she has that Bitch Factor that would mobilize the Bushevik Horde come the 2008 Election. Therefore I'd vote for Barack Obama. A fresh new face who can do wonders towards repairing the damage done to the nation by Il Duh-ce and his cronies.

Yeah, a fresh face with the same ol' washington politics. SSDP. Same shit, different politician.

Well Obama has pretty much screwed up his 'I opposed Iraq from the beginning while all the other Dems supported it' by pretty much selling out and becoming 'tough on terrorism', it's a real shame.

How do you figure? What benefits from his anti-Iraq stance has he lost by saying that he wants to capture and kill any terrorists hiding in Pakistan? (by my estimation, quite a few, but not worth a full blown invasion, or even a half blown one. If I were Obama, and if I was elected, and if I had the option, I would meet with ole Pervez privately and explain to him in very clear terms that I would be sending the best special forces and intelligence brahs I could get my hands on to scour the mountains for these loonies, clap them in irons, and start pulling out their back hair until they talk. Musharraf knows he can't actually stand up to us if we put real pressure on him, and we don't need to put our battered army through that shit a third time. Time for some subtlety.)


If you think that a president shouldn't be tough on terrorism, you're deluding yourself. We need a president who'll bring our aliented allies back into the fold, while making it clear that we're not pussies and anyone who harbors real terrorists will get their shit wrecked. No more of this bogus Iraq going it alone nonsense. Once we get the posse back together and pull out of Iraq, even Iran will think twice about free room and board for terrorists.

Yeah, a fresh face with the same ol' washington politics. SSDP. Same shit, different politician.

All the candidates have Washington politics. There are no other politics but those of Washington. The only way to get things done as president is to know how to work with congress. Progress should be rapid if an extremely intelligent Democrat like Obama gets elected with a Democratic congress that should stay that way for several more elections, maybe even become more so what with all the Republican shenanigans since the last elections.

Besides, I don't trust the no-names crawling out of the woodwork, because what little experience Barrack does have, he earned in the most advanced and prestigious representative body in the western world. Some politician is necessary in every good candidate. Luckily, Obama's well within the period that precedes the kind of pandering bullshit that Hillary's so well known for. You want an overdose of 'Washington Politics' in everything that is bad about it, you want Hillary. I think he has enough experience to deal with congress and keep his head about him in foreign policy situations, but without the corruption and huge IQ drop that too long in Washington creates.

Yeah, a fresh face with the same ol' washington politics. SSDP. Same shit, different politician.

So how do you propose to change the government? Vote unfortunately irrelevant third party? Or abstain from elections? The latter certainly worked for the Sunni Muslims in Iraq as well as Hugo Chavez's opponents in Venezuela.

Yeah, a fresh face with the same ol' washington politics. SSDP. Same shit, different politician.

So, aside from cynical snark, what does Ralph Nader, a former entrenched member of the DC lobbying community, and hi- I mean the Green Party have to offer? Just another party.

Who really cares what orangutan you put in office? A not-too-black man to make you feel less racist, or a woman to make you feel less sexist? The war machine will still roll on regardless. It isn't as though your President is the real power in Amerika anyway.

Why can't I see my posts? How bizarre.

I can see your post asking why you can't see your posts. Maybe the message board doesn't like n00bies. Sorry dude/tte

I'm trying to post but it keeps bouncing me out of this thread. This is what I was trying to post, perhaps an edit will allow it now?

Who really cares what orangutan you put in office? A not-too-black man to make you feel less racist, or a woman to make you feel less sexist? The war machine will still roll on regardless. It isn't as though your President is the real power in Amerika anyway.

Um....you havent heard of Ron Paul yet????

I agree with a lot of his positions. I don't consider myself conservative though. More of a council communist, which is pretty much anarchist communism, but with a little less anarchy.

None of the above. Edwards would blow the federal budget on his hair job, Gore would sign us into the Kyoto Protocols (which countries have met their goals - at what cost?), Obama...I don't even know about Obama.

I don't trust any of them with the football if the missiles are flying, though.

I want Michael Savage. Seriously. At least he doesn't have the Washington bullshit around him, and he certainly has the balls to do the extreme if necessary.

Everyone else is just pure pandering.

Edwards fails my primary criterion for a good presidential candidate: would I trust him with the nuclear arsenal if and when feces strike the air circulation device.

You're the kind of person that deserves our shallow media and corrupt political system.

None of the above. Edwards would blow the federal budget on his hair job, Gore would sign us into the Kyoto Protocols (which countries have met their goals - at what cost?), Obama...I don't even know about Obama.

I don't trust any of them with the football if the missiles are flying, though.

I want Michael Savage. Seriously. At least he doesn't have the Washington bullshit around him, and he certainly has the balls to do the extreme if necessary.

Everyone else is just pure pandering.

So you'd vote for a Bushevik Weiner who's made it clear he hates homosexuals and hopes they all die of AIDS as well as engaging in the variety of hard right rhetoric bullshit to be elected into the White House?

Well, Weiner would be someone who'd actually make Dubya look somewhat competent by comparison, although it's no comfort at all.

Plus she has that Bitch Factor that would mobilize the Bushevik Horde come the 2008 Election.

Yeah, but now that we've found out they only number about 20% of the population, they just don't seem that intimidating.

Is it too late for the Democrats to repeal the 22nd Amendment and bait Bush into running again? I think that would make for a highly entertaining election, not to mention that it would produce an even more lopsided result than we're already going to get.

i do not want to vote for personalities at all. i want to vote for the kind of world i'd rather be living in!

there are many good people who would be better for everyone to have in that office, then anyone the corporate mafia is ever going to let us choose between to hold it.

besides dennis k., there is a senator grevel from alaska, and another congressperson named maxine waters.

i would even vote green if they would let us have peter cameo instead of ralph nader. there are conceptual problems at the very foundation of the whole proccess too.

just what are we voting on, when choosing between immages created by ad campaigns? and is it really personality that makes all that much difference when major corporate intrests pull their puppet strings?

all any of us can do, is make a best educated guess, as to whome is most likely to not remain entirely bought and paid for, once they actually assume the oath of office.

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