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Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

Not a whit.

Just out of curiosity, but has this forum changed? My interests in role play generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiny) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themselves with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

Not too sure about the hypocritical patriotism bit as much, but that is one way to describe many a poster. Not the kindest way, but there you go.

I changed my underwear. :)

Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

:rolleyes:

...I actually don't think the US is going to become a police state under the current administration: they're too damn stupid.

So has this changed or not?No, and you shouldn't expect it to. Your peers here are mostly below 30, mostly American and mostly a wee bit more politically savvy than the general populace. Unless that changes for some inexplicable reason, the majority will advocate taking care of each other, because they've never had to, and they will think the sky is falling, because it's never been worse in their experience.

Incidentally, you don't make many friends, do you?

I was wondering that myself, although for slightly different reasons.

When I first joined NS Gen, back in the murky mists of time, I posted loads, and racked up a not-inconsiderable post count in a relatively short space of time. Not huge, but I was generall posting every day. Then I went through a slight dip in my activity, then came back a month or so later, when I posted a bit more.

Lately, however, over several months... maybe even a year (can't be bothered to check how long I've actually been on here - it seems like a long time, basically) I've been lurking pretty much solidly.

Is it the forum that's changed? Is there less slightly inane, wacky threadage going round? Possibly - there does seem to be something of an abundance of news/political threads going on of late, and they don't tend to perk my interest. Has the novelty simply worn off? Have the people who intrigued me left?

Or have I changed? Am I more lazy now? Can I not be bothered to read to the end of a thread before posting a reply (no one wants to looks foolish and ten pages behind the times). Is it I who have changed, or the forum?

I dunno, either way I wish things were like they were before. It was cool back then. Now... it just seems to have lost its lustrous love for... well, inanity really :D

typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

No, but there are merits to "whiney liberals". I can't see the state of affairs changing any time soon, though, because the forum is so overwhelmingly dominated by aforementioned liberals that most other demographics simply give up and leave.

I changed my underwear. :)

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Too many n00bs.

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What? It's still on my head. That hasn't changed. :)

I changed my underwear. :)

LIAR!

We know you don't wear any!

What? It's still on my head. That hasn't changed. :)

So you post on the forums commando style?

LIAR!

We know you don't wear any!

See above. ;)

So you post on the forums commando style?

Doesn't everybody?

There's no honesty like naked honesty.

Doesn't everybody?

There's no honesty like naked honesty.

Your motives are transparent?
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Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

Don't know why, but I had the urge to post



Nope, not a bit.


Now piss off, whence you came

Luckily better sense prevailed :)

:rolleyes:

...I actually don't think the US is going to become a police state under the current administration: they're too damn stupid.

Well, THAT is good. I just hope they aren't SO stupid as to leave the door open (i.e. by keeping this domestic wiretapping stuff going) for the NEXT administration, whoever that may be, to make it a police state.

Your motives are transparent?
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I have never hidden my motive to drive every man, woman and child insane. But the fun kind of insane. Like me. :)

I have never hidden my motive to drive every man, woman and child insane. But the fun kind of insane. Like me. :)

And you have never hidden your 'motive' from any man, woman, or child, in the sake of decency have you? ;)

And you have never hidden your 'motive' from any man, woman, or child, in the sake of decency have you? ;)

Only just barely enough to keep from ending up on an offender database. ;)

Only just barely enough to keep from ending up on an offender database. ;)

Just pretend you're a naturist then they wont care.

I changed my underwear. :)
Skid marks huh? :D

I'm getting a feeling that things have been changing the last few months. It just seems to me less interesting. It seems like there is less intelligent debate and a lot more insults and unfounded or uninformed opinion. And there seems to be more subjects that are fluff and fewer of real importance.

I don't have any proof of this, just a feeling as I scan through or try to engage in real thought the last few months.

Yeah, it has changed. No more excellent trolls, Myrth is gone, no more forum invasions, a lot less moderation, even the political threads aren't as spicy as they used to be. What happened to the picture thread and threads filled with :fluffle:'s?

Also, forum 7 (well before my time)

Other than that it is great to be sort of back.

I'm getting a feeling that things have been changing the last few months. It just seems to me less interesting. It seems like there is less intelligent debate and a lot more insults and unfounded or uninformed opinion. And there seems to be more subjects that are fluff and fewer of real importance.

I don't have any proof of this, just a feeling as I scan through or try to engage in real thought the last few months.

Change is the only constant - however, I suppose only the mods would know but there seems to be a lot less participation as well.

To add, I think a lot of the old regulars have moved to their own little forum elsewhere, perhaps it's simply a transition period, perhaps everyone is just on Summer holidays, perhaps the forum is most lively between September and March in general anyway so it's simply a lull.

I dunno, either way I wish things were like they were before. It was cool back then. Now... it just seems to have lost its lustrous love for... well, inanity really :D
I don't know about inanity, but there are definitely fewer threads then back in the old days (old days being a couple years ago).
Of course, I think alot of them were just copy-paste spam off various news/propaganda sites (which is now a no-no), so that might have had something to do with the high numbers.
At least there is less fluffling going on, though it seems to have been replaced with the much more annoying lolcats.

I've only been a forummer (of any sort) for a year. I find it hard to tell if NSG has changed in that time, or if the way I see it has.

To the OP: if you perceive NSGers to be predominantly whiney liberals, it would follow that you yourself are a hard-nosed conservative. You should hang around and try to redress the balance ... unless you are a whiney conservative of course. Those types never win anything.

(No lolcats, no fluffles, no 'QFT,' no sigs, no NOTHING. Whining about political progress and pining for the good old days is, in a word, lose.)

Nope! and yes, the government(s) is getting worse so we'll be complaining forever.

Nope! and yes, the government(s) is getting worse so we'll be complaining forever.

*sigh*
Whining liberals don't whine about goberment. We whine about the lack of it!

Change is the only constant - however, I suppose only the mods would know but there seems to be a lot less participation as well.

To add, I think a lot of the old regulars have moved to their own little forum elsewhere, perhaps it's simply a transition period, perhaps everyone is just on Summer holidays, perhaps the forum is most lively between September and March in general anyway so it's simply a lull.

There is always a summer lull

At least we did not have a nazi invasion this year

There is always a summer lull

At least we did not have a nazi invasion this year

On how many summers do you base this judgement "there is always ..." ?

"The emperor is incompetent and does not know his errors; his subordinates just try to get by without causing trouble for themselves. When I was visiting them, I heard no honest words, and when I visited their countryside, the people looked hungry. I have heard of a story of swallows and sparrows making nests on top of mansions and being content, believing that it was the safest place, not realizing that the haystack and the support beams were on fire and that disaster was about to come. This might be what they are like."
-- Xue Xu about Shu (Wu's ally) to Emperor Sun Xiu of Wu, 261 AD (two years before Shu was utterly destroyed by Wei).

Sadly, a decent amount of us (including yours truly) feel Dubya is doing the same thing to the US... and that it's a damned good thing Canada isn't Wei!

On how many summers do you base this judgement "there is always ..." ?

Well this is my fourth summer here .... so off of four which is if I am not mistaken over half the existence of the game itself I got here right during the move to jolt ... I had an account on the old forum as well

People do seem rather more touchy of late, and I must confess the threads aren't as much fun anymore. The sense of community once so evident is now absent.

However, one could always just play "guess how many posts before Greater Trostia labels somebody a bigot" in any thread.:)

I really hate statements like "oh, threads go in cycles" or "theres always a lull in summer." Coming from people who are participating in the forum at the very moment they say such a thing it seems to me like the most pathetic kind of excuse for being useless. For being ineffectual. For being a passive consumer.

It's like whining about what crap is on the TV. Then watching it anyway.

Sure, some of us might be better at responding, or at our best in a pitched battle. Whining because no-one is pitching up stuff we can hit really just makes us look even more pathetically dependant than we really are.

There's no pattern without the posts, any more than there is human nature without individual humans.

You're on NSG: fish or cut bait.

I really hate statements like "oh, threads go in cycles" or "theres always a lull in summer." Coming from people who are participating in the forum at the very moment they say such a thing it seems to me like the most pathetic kind of excuse for being useless. For being ineffectual. For being a passive consumer.

It's like whining about what crap is on the TV. Then watching it anyway.

Sure, some of us might be better at responding, or at our best in a pitched battle. Whining because no-one is pitching up stuff we can hit really just makes us look even more pathetically dependant than we really are.

There's no pattern without the posts, any more than there is human nature without individual humans.

You're on NSG: fish or cut bait.

Ok what? I was not whining what so ever I have no idea what set you off but maybe you better take a step back

The question was "Has the forum changed" my response was no it has not and any short term look has to be considered in light of the yearly activity swells and lulls (behavior wise not topic wise)

This was not whining

This was not an excuse for anything or for not participating

Merely an observation of behavior ... and from my observations in this thread maybe you aught to step back and re-read some before declaring your "hate" of something ... not that it actually matters

What never changes is the people complaining how it's changed and not like the 'old days'.

Ok what? I was not whining what so ever I have no idea what set you off but maybe you better take a step back

The question was "Has the forum changed" my response was no it has not and any short term look has to be considered in light of the yearly activity swells and lulls (behavior wise not topic wise)

This was not whining

This was not an excuse for anything or for not participating

Merely an observation of behavior ... and from my observations in this thread maybe you aught to step back and re-read some before declaring your "hate" of something ... not that it actually matters

OK, I wred that. It seems you understood my point rather well.

Sure, I'll take a step back. This whole thread is entirely futile, and I regret posting to it. Self-pity is self-fulfilling.

What an odd question.

Of course the forum has changed, because the people here have changed. Many of the defining personalities that were here when I joined have long since left. The forum is different without them. We also have some new voices who bring new material and perspective and style. The forum is different with them.

In a weird way, too, the turn-over and arrival of new people is part of what keeps many discussions from changing. For instance, people who have been around here a long time have heard most of the standard arguments on subjects like gay marriage, so they've moved on to new twists and new debates related to that subject. But when a new person shows up it's largely new to them, so they bring back the old classic arguments and ensure that the thread will include the standard "Adam and Steve" material.

Seems roughly the same to me, but what do I know.

:)

For instance, people who have been around here a long time have heard most of the standard arguments on subjects like gay marriage, so they've moved on to new twists and new debates related to that subject. But when a new person shows up it's largely new to them, so they bring back the old classic arguments and ensure that the thread will include the standard "Adam and Steve" material.
True, true.

The amount of threads discussing homosexual marriage, abortion rights and the existence or not of God has certainly dropped in the last few months.

not active enough. :(

This 30+ liberal will continue to bitch and whine until the government shapes up to her specifications. In other words, forever.

I remember a day when humor and decency reigned on these forums, where our primary goal was to laugh and have humor. All the names of yesteryear have fallen by the wayside, having fled these forums, been banished by the mods or countless other things, only the most bitter and evil, yet notoriously well behaved, types (see: me) remain.

So, yes, these forums have changed, they have changed and awful lot.

True, true.

The amount of threads discussing homosexual marriage, abortion rights and the existence or not of God has certainly dropped in the last few months.

Thaaaaaaaaaaaank goodness!

Thaaaaaaaaaaaank goodness!
Yeah, going round and round in circles is only fun for, like, one post.

I remember a day when humor and decency reigned on these forums, where our primary goal was to laugh and have humor. All the names of yesteryear have fallen by the wayside, having fled these forums, been banished by the mods or countless other things, only the most bitter and evil, yet notoriously well behaved, types (see: me) remain.

So, yes, these forums have changed, they have changed and awful lot.

Hey man, I still have fun and I like to laugh and be a decent person. Nobody has tried to ban me yet! (Knock on wood.) I've made some good friends here! We can still do it. :)

I've been here for a while...things have changed...I don't much mind.

It's still better than work. :p

I've been here for a while...things have changed...I don't much mind.

It's still better than work. :p

Hear, hear. :D

Hear, hear. :D

Note my join date...things will be picking up quite a bit over the next 15 months or so. ;)

Like grains of sand on the beach...or something similarly profound...I can't be bothered to think too much on it right now. :p

No, and you shouldn't expect it to. Your peers here are mostly below 30, mostly American and mostly a wee bit more politically savvy than the general populace.

As a fellow under-30 American going to school for politics, just noting that being more "politically savvy" doesn't inherently make one liberal.

Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

It grew a vagina, an ear and two polyps in it's colon.

Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

No. Other things have changed (rules changes and game improvements), but that has not.

Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?
It's always been like that. But IMO the forum has gone to hell in a handbasket since the move to jolt.

It's always been like that. But IMO the forum has gone to hell in a handbasket since the move to jolt.

maybe but the greater power and reliability of the jolt servers more than make up for any restrictions imposed by the move.

maybe but the greater power and reliability of the jolt servers more than make up for any restrictions imposed by the move.

Sarcasm?

Just out of curiousity, but has this forum changed? My interests in roleplay generally fade in and out, but when it is 'in' I tend to scan through this forum.

Every time I have requested the return of my nation and looked in the general section, its been the same kind of posters. The typical American, teenage (and quite frankly whiney) liberal who is certain that their government has taken another step towards becoming a right wing police state while occasionally and bizarrely contradicting themself with spouts of patriotism.

So has this changed or not?

of cousre not, st00pid. b/c pres. bush and DICKface chaeney and all they're neo-conservative-natzi cronies have made out all these propagandas that make all the peo[ple dumb and republican and they wanna join NS (woot) and post on all these political issues and stufff.........

and lol rofl luh-mao your such a duuche bag. i'm not whiney just b/c i support progress and democracy instead of stupid guauntuanemio (sp?) bay and unlegal wiretaps by this dictatorship repulbican govt!!!!!!!!1111shift+one1!!1!!1!!shift+!!1!!oneoneone!!2!!!2!!!!!!666!!1!!!!four!!

Has this forum changed or not?
Very much so.

Skid marks huh? :D
CH, when was the last time you checked your TG's? *hint*check it now*/hint*

Has the forum changed? Some but not all that much. There are far fewer social, lighter, fun threads, and a few of the names change around here. However, for the most part, the serious threads are merely variations on the same old (sometimes) tired subjects.

Sarcasm?

have you honestly forgotten how bad the old forum was?

The forum changed?


Always.

Sarcasm?

I doubt it ... I remember having to wait like 10 minuets to open a thread