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After being all but keelhauled over the domestic warrantless wiretapping program, the Bush White House seems to be wanting to rework the FISA so that it gives them even more powers. I doubt they would want to update it so that it gives them less than what they have or equal to what they already have.

You just hit the nail on the head:

They. Don't. Get. It.

From the very begining, this administration has been so out of touch with reality, so blissfully ignorant, so "lalalalala I'm not listening!", that they've basically destroyed, or are trying to destroy, EVERYTHING that our country has worked to build.

They want everyone to be as ignorant as they are.

You just hit the nail on the head:

They. Don't. Get. It.

From the very begining, this administration has been so out of touch with reality, so blissfully ignorant, so "lalalalala I'm not listening!", that they've basically destroyed, or are trying to destroy, EVERYTHING that our country has worked to build.

They want everyone to be as ignorant as they are.

I'm starting to believe that's actually happening.

Shrubya is secretly a robot operated by the Democratic Party in an effort to destroy the Republicans from within.

Shrubya is secretly a robot operated by the Democratic Party in an effort to destroy the Republicans from within.

A robot in disguise? How very cliche.

Why does everyone always discount the more plausible reptilians in disguise?

I hear that political satirists worldwide are going to be mourning the loss of our current administration.


I just hope they take "Lil' Bush" off the air soon. That shit was old and tired before it was even conceived.

A robot in disguise? How very cliche.

HotRodia, where the hell have you been anyway? Ain't seen you in ages. I ask this knowing full well you already show as offline before I even posted it.

LAWDY!

Stop the presses!!!!


:rolleyes:

I have to say I'm actually beginning to miss....

the Clinton years.

There. I said it.

You just hit the nail on the head:

They. Don't. Get. It.

From the very begining, this administration has been so out of touch with reality, so blissfully ignorant, so "lalalalala I'm not listening!", that they've basically destroyed, or are trying to destroy, EVERYTHING that our country has worked to build.

They want everyone to be as ignorant as they are.



No, they get it, alright. They just don't think it applies to them.

Upon being elected, the umbilical cord that tethered politicians to reality is severed and they become impervious to logic.

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After being all but keelhauled over the domestic warrantless wiretapping program, the Bush White House seems to be wanting to rework the FISA so that it gives them even more powers. I doubt they would want to update it so that it gives them less than what they have or equal to what they already have.

If I vaguely recall, they wanted to do that first and were told 'No Fucking Way' so they went ahead and ignored the law instead.

I doubt the answer will change now. :p

I have to say I'm actually beginning to miss....

the Clinton years.

There. I said it.

I didn't vote for him. Twice. I wouldn't vote for him now.

But whether you lke the horny fucker or not, whether you agree with his politics or not, at least he was competent.

I miss that. :(

You just can't trust a man that won't get some in the oval office.

HotRodia, where the hell have you been anyway? Ain't seen you in ages. I ask this knowing full well you already show as offline before I even posted it.

What with the Transformers movie coming out, I suspect he's been quite busy :)

You just can't trust a man that won't get some in the oval office.

ANy real man would.

I recall a Sam Kinison routine when he was talking about John F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. He said that all men would have been just like Kennedy, "You'd be in the Oval Office, Marilyn across the desk, your dick in her and looking out at the Washington Monument going, 'You know, it just doesn't get any better than this.'"

:D

ANy real man would.

I recall a Sam Kinison routine when he was talking about John F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. He said that all men would have been just like Kennedy, "You'd be in the Oval Office, Marilyn across the desk, your dick in her and looking out at the Washington Monument going, 'You know, it just doesn't get any better than this.'"

:D

so true. :D

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After being all but keelhauled over the domestic warrantless wiretapping program, the Bush White House seems to be wanting to rework the FISA so that it gives them even more powers. I doubt they would want to update it so that it gives them less than what they have or equal to what they already have.

You just hit the nail on the head:

They. Don't. Get. It.

From the very begining, this administration has been so out of touch with reality, so blissfully ignorant, so "lalalalala I'm not listening!", that they've basically destroyed, or are trying to destroy, EVERYTHING that our country has worked to build.

They want everyone to be as ignorant as they are.

Yes, you are right, the Bush administration DOESN'T get it, and what's most dangerous about it is that should some every-bit-as-evil Democrat like Hillary Clinton or Barack Abominable...

*pause*

Sorry, I meant to say "Abomina..."

Let me try again: "Obomin..."

AARRRGH! "Osama!"

*hits palm of hand against forehead*

"OBAMA!" Finally I got his name right!

As I was saying, if Hillary Clinton or Barack (*stumbles over own tongue trying not to say it wrong again*) OBAMA should ever get into office, they, being liberal Democrats, WILL use this UNWARRANTED and ILLEGAL domestic wiretapping to spy on law-abiding citizens who are not terrorists, choosing to classify them as terrorists on arbitrary or politically correct grounds, such as (for example) speaking critically of Islam or its chief messenger Mohammed.

This domestic wiretapping stuff is scary; I don't like Bush having that kind of power, and, being a white heterosexual Christian male, I D@$%#! sure don't want that power to fall into the hands of people like Hillary or Obama. It's bad enough BUSH has that power.

Upon being elected, the umbilical cord that tethered politicians to reality is severed and they become impervious to logic.

Well, DUH! Tell us something we DON'T know. :rolleyes:

I didn't vote for him. Twice. I wouldn't vote for him now.

But whether you lke the horny fucker or not, whether you agree with his politics or not, at least he was competent.

I miss that. :(

I didn't (and don't) care for Clinton OR Dubya either one.

Yes, you are right, the Bush administration DOESN'T get it, and what's most dangerous about it is that should some every-bit-as-evil Democrat like Hillary Clinton or Barack Abominable...

*pause*

Sorry, I meant to say "Abomina..."

Let me try again: "Obomin..."

AARRRGH! "Osama!"

*hits palm of hand against forehead*

"OBAMA!" Finally I got his name right!

Ah, another one who buys into the "Barak Obama, Dirty Muslim" story. The man is Christian.

:rolleyes:

As I was saying, if Hillary Clinton or Barack (*stumbles over own tongue trying not to say it wrong again*) OBAMA should ever get into office, they, being liberal Democrats, WILL use this UNWARRANTED and ILLEGAL domestic wiretapping to spy on law-abiding citizens who are not terrorists, choosing to classify them as terrorists on arbitrary or politically correct grounds, such as (for example) speaking critically of Islam or its chief messenger Mohammed.

Translation: "If the Democrats get the White House, The Terrorists Win." Go talk to Kimchi and New Mitanni, they're always looking for new membership in the n00k t3h 3b1| /\/\05|3/\/\z Club.

This domestic wiretapping stuff is scary; I don't like Bush having that kind of power, and, being a white heterosexual Christian male, I D@$%#! sure don't want that power to fall into the hands of people like Hillary or Obama. It's bad enough BUSH has that power.

You voted for Beloved Dear Leader twice, you reap what you sow, you made the bed so lay in it.

I have to say I'm actually beginning to miss....

the Clinton years.

There. I said it.

But ... but Clinton ...

...


...

Ah, another one who buys into the "Barak Obama, Dirty Muslim" story. The man is Christian.

:rolleyes:
Yup. Another sycophant embracing the philosophy of the rest of the right-wing cowards like Mike "Savage" Weiner and his ilk.

A guy at the PO today was talking about Stevens and how "republicans and democrats are just as bad". I pointed out immediately that i was an independent, and he said "it doesn't matter" and i said, "well, it does when you have to listen to republicans whining so much about 'how both parties are as bad' of late, since that's the best they can do now." Shameful, misdirecting cowards, on the whole.

Yes, you are right, the Bush administration DOESN'T get it, and what's most dangerous about it is that should some every-bit-as-evil Democrat like Hillary Clinton or Barack Abominable...

*pause*

Sorry, I meant to say "Abomina..."

Let me try again: "Obomin..."

AARRRGH! "Osama!"

*hits palm of hand against forehead*

"OBAMA!" Finally I got his name right!

As I was saying, if Hillary Clinton or Barack (*stumbles over own tongue trying not to say it wrong again*) OBAMA should ever get into office, they, being liberal Democrats, WILL use this UNWARRANTED and ILLEGAL domestic wiretapping to spy on law-abiding citizens who are not terrorists, choosing to classify them as terrorists on arbitrary or politically correct grounds, such as (for example) speaking critically of Islam or its chief messenger Mohammed.

This domestic wiretapping stuff is scary; I don't like Bush having that kind of power, and, being a white heterosexual Christian male, I D@$%#! sure don't want that power to fall into the hands of people like Hillary or Obama. It's bad enough BUSH has that power.



Well, DUH! Tell us something we DON'T know. :rolleyes:



I didn't (and don't) care for Clinton OR Dubya either one.

...Did you just fart? I'm not even going to touch this...This is insanity.

It's the American people who don't get it -- they're blissfully ignorant of the revolting threat of terrorism. This country isn't fighting a war against terrorism -- the military is fighting the war. With this type of cloistered mentality, that what's going on in Iraq doesn't affect those at home, the people are overly loath to take the necessary measures to safeguard the American populace. Luckily, Bush has a wider grasp of the situation and is bravely willing to catch flak for his noble actions because he knows that what he's doing is virtuous and right. Thank him for the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. However, if he is restricted from using some effective anti-terrorism tactics, he can't guarantee that history won't repeat itself to our detriment.

being liberal Democrats, WILL use this UNWARRANTED and ILLEGAL domestic wiretapping to spy on law-abiding citizens who are not terrorists, choosing to classify them as terrorists on arbitrary or politically correct grounds

Just like Bush? So when did bush become a liberal Democrat?

It's the American people who don't get it -- they're blissfully ignorant of the revolting threat of terrorism. This country isn't fighting a war against terrorism -- the military is fighting the war. With this type of cloistered mentality, that what's going on in Iraq doesn't affect those at home, the people are overly loath to take the necessary measures to safeguard the American populace. Luckily, Bush has a wider grasp of the situation and is bravely willing to catch flak for his noble actions because he knows that what he's doing is virtuous and right. Thank him for the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. However, if he is restricted from using some effective anti-terrorism tactics, he can't guarantee that history won't repeat itself to our detriment.

Bush is not above the law, doofus. How God damn hard is it to get a God damn warrant to wiretap? Even if he went up to one of his buddies who was a judge and said, "Hey, Judge Fuckstick, I need a warrant so I can wiretap on Aziz al-Aqbar bin Shithead." "OK, Mr. President...any good reason?" "Ummm...he's a terrorist. Yeah, that's the ticket," it would be LIGHTYEARS ahead of what he's doing now. He has disregarded the law. Regardless of whether it's "virtuous and right," the only virtuous and right thing to do is to abide by the law or to alter the law, NOT to disregard it.

I suppose you would just blindly accept it if Bush decided in 2008 that the 22nd Amendment was just a suggestion and that he should name himself the Republican nominee for President and get elected any way he could. After all, he knows what's best for the country, and he should just go and do it. Why not just run the Constitution through an industrial-grade paper shredder and flush the remains down the toilet and then declare himself President for Life? Why not just decide that criticizing the government is treason and execute dissenters on the spot? Why not just save some money on all those pesky trials and just declare anyone accused of a crime guilty on the spot and issue harsh sentences?

Because there are laws against it. And Bush has disregarded the law. He cannot be rewarded for it.

Just like Bush? So when did bush become a liberal Democrat?

Whenever it suits Corneliu.

Screw Bush! He suspended Habeas Corpus! He shut down two major newspapers! He passed two laws confiscating private property to fund the war effort! He passed a new Homestead Act that some feel made him just as bad a native-killer as Jackson! Civilians were tried by military courts on suspicon of treason! He raised an income tax despite there being no basis in the Constitution! He was an autocrat, making decisions often without advice of his cabinet, who he kept on a tight leash!

Oh wait a minute, that was Abraham Lincoln... my fault.

I'm not saying Bush is Abraham Lincoln. I'm only saying that Bush will be judged by the eye of history ultimately. People tend to overlook violations of the Constitution when the end result works out. Plus, Lincoln's approval rating was in the crapper and until mid 1863 nobody in their right mind thought that the Union actually had a shot of winning.

It's the American people who don't get it -- they're blissfully ignorant of the revolting threat of terrorism. This country isn't fighting a war against terrorism -- the military is fighting the war. With this type of cloistered mentality, that what's going on in Iraq doesn't affect those at home, the people are overly loath to take the necessary measures to safeguard the American populace. Luckily, Bush has a wider grasp of the situation and is bravely willing to catch flak for his noble actions because he knows that what he's doing is virtuous and right. Thank him for the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. However, if he is restricted from using some effective anti-terrorism tactics, he can't guarantee that history won't repeat itself to our detriment.

So, how much do you get paid for spouting this garbage ?

or do you actually enjoy having your nose so far up Bush's ass i can see your face when Bush opens his mouth ?

I'm not saying Bush is Abraham Lincoln. I'm only saying that Bush will be judged by the eye of history ultimately. People tend to overlook violations of the Constitution when the end result works out. Plus, Lincoln's approval rating was in the crapper and until mid 1863 nobody in their right mind thought that the Union actually had a shot of winning.

The end result WON'T work out...believe me.

Upon being elected, the umbilical cord that tethered politicians to reality is severed and they become impervious to logic.
in bushes case it was when he was cut from mama:sniper:

Screw Bush! He suspended Habeas Corpus! He shut down two major newspapers! He passed two laws confiscating private property to fund the war effort! He passed a new Homestead Act that some feel made him just as bad a native-killer as Jackson! Civilians were tried by military courts on suspicon of treason! He raised an income tax despite there being no basis in the Constitution! He was an autocrat, making decisions often without advice of his cabinet, who he kept on a tight leash!

Oh wait a minute, that was Abraham Lincoln... my fault.:headbang:
yeah and what party was Lincoln oh yeah he was a REPUBLICAN

Lincoln's leadership within the Republican Party helped promote it. Lincoln's leadership depended partly on his opponents and their responses to his campaign speeches. To outward appearances, Lincoln was doing nothing more than helping to build a political party.:upyours:

in bushes case it was when he was cut from mama:sniper:

:headbang:
yeah and what party was Lincoln oh yeah he was a REPUBLICAN

Lincoln's leadership within the Republican Party helped promote it. Lincoln's leadership depended partly on his opponents and their responses to his campaign speeches. To outward appearances, Lincoln was doing nothing more than helping to build a political party.:upyours:


Nobody ever denied he was a Republican. In fact, I've heard many people of this generation surprised to find out that Lincoln was Republican b/c everybody knows that Republicans are racist pigs who wish for slavery to be reinstituted. The point is that people in hindsight praise leaders who make highly unpopular and arguably (or even certainly) illegal decisions so long as the end result works out. This conversation could turn out quite differently in 5 years.

It's the American people who don't get it -- they're blissfully ignorant of the revolting threat of terrorism. This country isn't fighting a war against terrorism -- the military is fighting the war. With this type of cloistered mentality, that what's going on in Iraq doesn't affect those at home, the people are overly loath to take the necessary measures to safeguard the American populace. Luckily, Bush has a wider grasp of the situation and is bravely willing to catch flak for his noble actions because he knows that what he's doing is virtuous and right. Thank him for the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. However, if he is restricted from using some effective anti-terrorism tactics, he can't guarantee that history won't repeat itself to our detriment.

Are you brain dead? Bush doesn't care about the terrorist, his family is friends with osama's parents for crying out loud. The only thing he is in it for is the making more money for himself and his friends regradless how it affects us.

It's the American people who don't get it -- they're blissfully ignorant of the revolting threat of terrorism. This country isn't fighting a war against terrorism -- the military is fighting the war. With this type of cloistered mentality, that what's going on in Iraq doesn't affect those at home, the people are overly loath to take the necessary measures to safeguard the American populace. Luckily, Bush has a wider grasp of the situation and is bravely willing to catch flak for his noble actions because he knows that what he's doing is virtuous and right. Thank him for the fact that there has not been a terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. However, if he is restricted from using some effective anti-terrorism tactics, he can't guarantee that history won't repeat itself to our detriment.

and whos family has ties to saddam and bin laden oh yeah our own president

who was a key person in how Saddam was put in power... Bush Sr.:sniper:

who was a major donor of the bush dynasty h yeah the owner of the world trade center :mp5:

who was resposible as the head of the NIA when the people that drove planes into the world trade center ( who came from the saudia arabia) got VISAS to train to be pilots:upyours:

Bush has done nothing but aid and support terrorist activities

Screw Bush! He suspended Habeas Corpus! He shut down two major newspapers! He passed two laws confiscating private property to fund the war effort! He passed a new Homestead Act that some feel made him just as bad a native-killer as Jackson! Civilians were tried by military courts on suspicon of treason! He raised an income tax despite there being no basis in the Constitution! He was an autocrat, making decisions often without advice of his cabinet, who he kept on a tight leash!

Oh wait a minute, that was Abraham Lincoln... my fault.

I'm not saying Bush is Abraham Lincoln. I'm only saying that Bush will be judged by the eye of history ultimately. People tend to overlook violations of the Constitution when the end result works out. Plus, Lincoln's approval rating was in the crapper and until mid 1863 nobody in their right mind thought that the Union actually had a shot of winning.

Lincoln was a dick who doesn't deserve nearly the hero worship heaped upon him.

Are you brain dead? Bush doesn't care about the terrorist, his family is friends with osama's parents for crying out loud. The only thing he is in it for is the making more money for himself and his friends regradless how it affects us.

And Osama hates his family. Your point is?

And Osama hates his family. Your point is?

Thats not the way I hear it! He hates them so much he refused all that money his daddy gave him huh?

...his family is friends with osama's parents for crying out loud.

The Bush family is very open-minded when it comes to relationships with foreigners. They do not discriminate against others on the basis of their race, religion, or wayward sons. You should congratulate the Bush family for not falling to the fallacy of association and acknowledging that one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. If one's son is a criminal, that doesn't make one a criminal. It takes someone with immense wisdom and compassion to recognize this; Bush and his family excel in both regards.

I have an easy way to always make the right decision. Just ask F&G what he thinks is right. Then do the opposite.

HotRodia, where the hell have you been anyway? Ain't seen you in ages. I ask this knowing full well you already show as offline before I even posted it.

My internet connection at the university was much better then what I can afford now, so my online activities have been rather sharply limited just by that, not to mention other things.

What with the Transformers movie coming out, I suspect he's been quite busy :)

I have been busy, yes. It's that whole working and having a social life thing that keeps cropping up.

He's doing exactly what his base wants him to.
Sure, he's pissing off the people who already didn't like him, but nobody who doesn't care (the vast majority of Americans) is going to start paying attention because of this.

You can hardly call our administrations actions 'virtuous' or noble in the least regard.

Damn PATRIOT act.

I have an easy way to always make the right decision. Just ask F&G what he thinks is right. Then do the opposite.

I may not agree with your political viewpoint, but you shouldn't commit suicide. ;)

I may not agree with your political viewpoint, but you shouldn't commit suicide. ;)

I guess that means Bitchkitten has to sign up for a tour of duty in Iraq then.

I'm starting to believe that's actually happening.
Starting to?
o.0

Starting to?
o.0

In some places, it is happening.

And the Senate decides to bend over and take it from the White House - they have passed a bill that will allow wiretapping without having to bother to get court warrants. Getting court warrants was of course a terrible and complicated process that involved calling a judge and having them say "ok."

these stupid bastards only have a year and a half left in power. why are they creating powers that they will have to hand over to the democrat who wins the whitehouse next year?

they arent going to like it when hillary clinton is doing warrantless wiretaps.

The Bush family is very open-minded when it comes to relationships with foreigners. They do not discriminate against others on the basis of their race, religion, or wayward sons. You should congratulate the Bush family for not falling to the fallacy of association and acknowledging that one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. If one's son is a criminal, that doesn't make one a criminal. It takes someone with immense wisdom and compassion to recognize this; Bush and his family excel in both regards.

Yeah, just hope you don't have a mental disability of some sort, or he'll cackle like Cruella De Vil as he flips the switch.

In some places, it is happening.

Oh, as in, it's a domino effect. Gotcha.

You know, when I heard that the Republicans were fielding a Dick, a Bush, and a Colon Colin, I just knew they were aiming below the belt... Kind of like what happened to this fellow. --->:eek:

they arent going to like it when hillary clinton is doing warrantless wiretaps.

I don't know. It'd seem like poetic justice if the first political victims of all of these new measures were Bush, Cheney and the rest of that lot the moment they stepped out of office.

And then get sentenced to 50 years hard labor...

Oh, as in, it's a domino effect. Gotcha.

Yeah, I guess.

Yes, you are right, the Bush administration DOESN'T get it, and what's most dangerous about it is that should some every-bit-as-evil Democrat like Hillary Clinton or Barack Abominable...

*pause*

Sorry, I meant to say "Abomina..."

Let me try again: "Obomin..."

AARRRGH! "Osama!"

*hits palm of hand against forehead*

"OBAMA!" Finally I got his name right!

As I was saying, if Hillary Clinton or Barack (*stumbles over own tongue trying not to say it wrong again*) OBAMA should ever get into office, they, being liberal Democrats, WILL use this UNWARRANTED and ILLEGAL domestic wiretapping to spy on law-abiding citizens who are not terrorists, choosing to classify them as terrorists on arbitrary or politically correct grounds, such as (for example) speaking critically of Islam or its chief messenger Mohammed.

This domestic wiretapping stuff is scary; I don't like Bush having that kind of power, and, being a white heterosexual Christian male, I D@$%#! sure don't want that power to fall into the hands of people like Hillary or Obama. It's bad enough BUSH has that power.

Are you high?

Are you high?

Yeah. He's even higher than Ozzy Osbourne in his peak.