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Tech support! HLP!

Kryozerkia
30-07-2007, 19:14
Try turning off Wii Connect24.

When my router (I have a D-Link, FTR) randomly drops the connection, my Wii tends to be the source of the problem. Though I find that my connection is very stable when I don't have Wii Connect24 on. I usually leave Wii Connect24 off for a little while before turning it back on. I usually only turn it back on when I want to use the vote channel.

EDIT - Do the time warp! Oh yeah!
Posi
30-07-2007, 19:15
Right. It seems vista business enjoys to randomly close down my wireless connection a few times every hour. When this happens, a small warning triangle appears on the network icon in the taskbar with the words "Limited or no connectivity" poppin' up when I hover the pointer over it. I have the standard Intel Proset network adapter built into my Dell 9400 and it's more than capable of running vista in full gear. I also use a Netgear router, not sure exactly which model, though I can look it up if it's vital for the problem. I also have a Wii connected wirelessly through the same router. Anyone got some tips, hints or insults? :)Are you using the drivers that came with Vista? If so check Intel's website for drivers for your network adapter (Dell should have a link to it when you view the support page for your product).
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:15
Right. It seems vista business enjoys to randomly close down my wireless connection a few times every hour. When this happens, a small warning triangle appears on the network icon in the taskbar with the words "Limited or no connectivity" poppin' up when I hover the pointer over it. I have the standard Intel Proset network adapter built into my Dell 9400 and it's more than capable of running vista in full gear. I also use a Netgear router, not sure exactly which model, though I can look it up if it's vital for the problem. I also have a Wii connected wirelessly through the same router. Anyone got some tips, hints or insults? :)
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:22
Try turning off Wii Connect24.

When my router (I have a D-Link, FTR) randomly drops the connection, my Wii tends to be the source of the problem. Though I find that my connection is very stable when I don't have Wii Connect24 on. I usually leave Wii Connect24 off for a little while before turning it back on. I usually only turn it back on when I want to use the vote channel.

EDIT - Do the time warp! Oh yeah!

Gratz on the threadsteal, you filthy thief :D

Hmm, does the Connect24 disrupt the connection even when the wii is turned off(not in yellow-LED standby mode, but in red-LED mode.) or is it really really really off then?
Kryozerkia
30-07-2007, 19:22
Gratz on the threadsteal, you filthy thief :D

Hmm, does the Connect24 disrupt the connection even when the wii is turned off(not in yellow-LED standby mode, but in red-LED mode.) or is it really really really off then?

I may be a thief, but I showered today, damnit! :)

I wondered the same thing too.

We thought it was off but it just goes into standby at that point. But it still disconnected us. After we turned it off, the problem seemed to go away. Strangely though, we have it turned on now and it's not giving us problems. It seems finicky that way; unpredictable.

Perhaps it may be uTorrent that overloads the connection as it runs and uses like 95% of my bandwith? Seems wierd as I only got 8mbit internet and a 54mbit router though... the router should be able to cope...

Try toggling your concurrent bit torrent connections. I did it in Azerus when I thought it was the source of my problems before we tried turning off Wii Connect24. We have 2 computers on the network, which can both run concurrent bit torrent connections with no problems. The problem seems to occur when we have Connect24 up.
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:24
Are you using the drivers that came with Vista? If so check Intel's website for drivers for your network adapter (Dell should have a link to it when you view the support page for your product).

Well, I upgraded the system and the drivers were updated from a special upgrade assistant disc that came with the OEM version of vista.(got one of those nifty "upgrade to vista when we have time to ship it" offers.)
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:25
Perhaps it may be uTorrent that overloads the connection as it runs and uses like 95% of my bandwith? Seems wierd as I only got 8mbit internet and a 54mbit router though... the router should be able to cope...
Kryozerkia
30-07-2007, 19:27
Hmm... I'll just pull the plug on the votes channel and be sure to update before I try to play a foreign game then, too lazy to go into the menu. But I'll try to see if that's the deal. Sounds like it alright. Thanks for the help mate, :fluffle: I'll scream and shout if it doesn't work.

Good luck. :)
The_pantless_hero
30-07-2007, 19:28
When a connection goes down, kill everything that accesses the internet from actively doing so (to the best you can) and try to reboot the connection. Also, if you run a torrent program I would limit your upload to under 40kbs.
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:29
I may be a thief, but I showered today, damnit! :)

I wondered the same thing too.

We thought it was off but it just goes into standby at that point. But it still disconnected us. After we turned it off, the problem seemed to go away. Strangely though, we have it turned on now and it's not giving us problems. It seems finicky that way; unpredictable.

Hmm... I'll just pull the plug on the votes channel and be sure to update before I try to play a foreign game then, too lazy to go into the menu. But I'll try to see if that's the deal. Sounds like it alright. Thanks for the help mate, :fluffle: I'll scream and shout if it doesn't work.
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 19:30
Perhaps it may be uTorrent that overloads the connection as it runs and uses like 95% of my bandwith? Seems wierd as I only got 8mbit internet and a 54mbit router though... the router should be able to cope...

Ah, but have you checked that your router can cope with all the incoming and outgoing connections that bittorrent creates? Many home routers actually can't and have to be tweaked to increase the amount of connections they handle. If you notice that the connection gets all screwy and Internet browsing crawls to a halt when your client is running, then that could be the problem.
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 19:35
Right. It seems vista business enjoys to randomly close down my wireless connection a few times every hour. When this happens, a small warning triangle appears on the network icon in the taskbar with the words "Limited or no connectivity" poppin' up when I hover the pointer over it. I have the standard Intel Proset network adapter built into my Dell 9400 and it's more than capable of running vista in full gear. I also use a Netgear router, not sure exactly which model, though I can look it up if it's vital for the problem. I also have a Wii connected wirelessly through the same router. Anyone got some tips, hints or insults? :)

Check other devices Wii's have been notorious for causing wirepess problems

Other thing I would check with regular patterns of interruptions is disabling power management for the device ... sometimes windows can be dumb and try to "hibernate" the device. This was prevalent on XP and I have not seen many on vista yet but always a good Idea
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 19:36
Ah, but have you checked that your router can cope with all the incoming and outgoing connections that bittorrent creates? Many home routers actually can't and have to be tweaked to increase the amount of connection they handle. If you notice that the connection gets all screwy and Internet browsing crawls to a halt when your client is running, then that could be the problem.

Very very true home routers have problems with concurrent http connections
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:37
Ah, but have you checked that your router can cope with all the incoming and outgoing connections that bittorrent creates? Many home routers actually can't and have to be tweaked to increase the amount of connection they handle. If you notice that the connection gets all screwy and Internet browsing crawls to a halt when your client is running, then that could be the problem.

Internet works great and smooth when it works. Just stops dead in the tracks at times. I have also limited uTorrents ingoing and outgoing connections a bit just to be on the safe side. It's just a random failure of access at times. Now I turned Connect24 off and I sure hope it works... I don't feel like spending another tusenlapp on a router right now :)
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 19:41
Internet works great and smooth when it works. Just stops dead in the tracks at times. I have also limited uTorrents ingoing and outgoing connections a bit just to be on the safe side. It's just a random failure of access at times. Now I turned Connect24 off and I sure hope it works... I don't feel like spending another tusenlapp on a router right now :)

Hmm, summer isn't exactly an affluent time for me either, what with salarial distortion. :\
Posi
30-07-2007, 19:43
Check other devices Wii's have been notorious for causing wirepess problems

Other thing I would check with regular patterns of interruptions is disabling power management for the device ... sometimes windows can be dumb and try to "hibernate" the device. This was prevalent on XP and I have not seen many on vista yet but always a good IdeaNext time I boot into Vista, I should check that out. My internet connect (eth) will just stop (did so on XP too), and the only internet app I have on Vista is Firefox.
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 19:45
Next time I boot into Vista, I should check that out. My internet connect (eth) will just stop (did so on XP too), and the only internet app I have on Vista is Firefox.

All previous versions windows have had that problem with their networking devices at times (to the point we turn it off on anything we touch) I have heard but not seen of problems with that on vista (I do more server work then hands on machines except for the real problem children)
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:47
Hmm, summer isn't exactly an affluent time for me either, what with salarial distortion. :\

Well, I'm very lucky to have my summer break paid (nine weeks with pay, envy me!) but costs of living generally go up when I have nothing sane to do during the day and every öre I can save is important as my sambo is sjukskriven due to her pregnancy...
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:49
All previous versions windows have had that problem with their networking devices at times (to the point we turn it off on anything we touch) I have heard but not seen of problems with that on vista (I do more server work then hands on machines except for the real problem children)

I thought that was what caused the trouble, but I checked the settings and when plugged in it's set to "maximum performance" in the wireless adapter slot. Shouldn't be the powersettings causing problems, methinks.
Similization
30-07-2007, 19:53
Some routers die if you let uTorrent try to maintain more than 50 connections (total), so start there and work your way up. When the router dies, just restart it. You don't need to kill any processes using it.
Vista allegedly can't initiate more than 5 connections/sec, so if you want to avoid dropping connections and transfer hiccups every so often, you should limit uTorrent accordingly. Not that it means anything to your router, it only affects your download speeds.

I don't know if the Wii can cause interference, but something similar can happen if your router's been kicked around a bit. Either way, it can't take more than 5 minutes to ascertain whether or not it makes a difference that the Wii is connected.
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 19:53
I thought that was what caused the trouble, but I checked the settings and when plugged in it's set to "maximum performance" in the wireless adapter slot. Shouldn't be the powersettings causing problems, methinks.

Possible I would still go under into device manager and find your card, under the property window there is a "power management" tab and uncheck "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power"

Though from reading on I would suspect torrents have a lot to do with performance issues
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 19:56
Some routers die if you let uTorrent try to maintain more than 50 connections (total), so start there and work your way up. When the router dies, just restart it. You don't need to kill any processes using it.
Vista allegedly can't initiate more than 5 connections/sec, so if you want to avoid dropping connections and transfer hiccups every so often, you should limit uTorrent accordingly. Not that it means anything to your router, it only affects your download speeds.

I don't know if the Wii can cause interference, but something similar can happen if your router's been kicked around a bit. Either way, it can't take more than 5 minutes to ascertain whether or not it makes a difference that the Wii is connected.

Well, the connection dropped every 30-45 minutes or so. And even if I restarted the router and updated the networks in windows, it just flat disappeared. Seems to me that Connect24 in the Wii might be interfering with the signal, but then I know absolutely nothing about networks :)
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 20:03
Well, I'm very lucky to have my summer break paid (nine weeks with pay, envy me!) but costs of living generally go up when I have nothing sane to do during the day and every öre I can save is important as my sambo is sjukskriven due to her pregnancy...

CSN is a cruel mistress and temping means being hired by the hour, so they can postpone the first salary a month. Sjukskriven for her pregnancy? I didn't know they still did that.
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 21:10
CSN is a cruel mistress and temping means being hired by the hour, so they can postpone the first salary a month. Sjukskriven for her pregnancy? I didn't know they still did that.

CSN isn't a cruel mistress, it's a coldblooded, lifedraining zombie-werewolf with an insane phone queue system.
And no, they usually doesn't sjukskriver people because of pregnancy, since it's not a disease. However, she has been having early contractions and we're only half the way there. Apparently there is a high risk of miscarriage if she doesn't slow her pace down alot. She works in a home for young adults who need that extra push in their life... well, that extra shove and all the rest really... 36 hour shifts ain't unusual. It involves lots of cleaning due to the nature of the residents and her physician forbade her to even vacuum or carry laundry, so well... ain't worth losing a child over a job if its lousy pay and it might be your only chance at becoming a parent :)
Remote Observer
30-07-2007, 21:11
I can't believe you asked for help in this forum, with so many others available...
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 21:14
I can't believe you asked for help in this forum, with so many others available...

This is the only forum I hang in. I like the people here. :)

EDIT: Oh, and since I changed the Connect24, no disconnects whatsoever. Let's hope it stays that way. :D What a great support NS can be!
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 21:15
CSN isn't a cruel mistress, it's a coldblooded, lifedraining zombie-werewolf with an insane phone queue system.

Can't you see I'm trying to live in denial of the future dealings I'll have with them?

And no, they usually doesn't sjukskriver people because of pregnancy, since it's not a disease. However, she has been having early contractions and we're only half the way there. Apparently there is a high risk of miscarriage if she doesn't slow her pace down alot.

I see, that sucks...

She works in a home for young adults who need that extra push in their life... well, that extra shove and all the rest really... 36 hour shifts ain't unusual. It involves lots of cleaning due to the nature of the residents and her physician forbade her to even vacuum or carry laundry, so well... ain't worth losing a child over a job if its lousy pay and it might be your only chance at becoming a parent :)

Non-lousy pay would have been worth losing it over? ;)
Remote Observer
30-07-2007, 21:16
This is the only forum I hang in. I like the people here. :)

These people are not only nice, but a lot of them actually know about networking (well, UpwardThrust is a good choice on this forum, but that's about it).

http://forums.speedguide.net/index.php
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 21:18
These people are not only nice, but a lot of them actually know about networking (well, UpwardThrust is a good choice on this forum, but that's about it).

http://forums.speedguide.net/index.php

After 6 years in the field an undergrad and masters I would hope so ... prepping for a job interview so have not gotten a good amount of time around the tech discussions posi has been doing good with the *nix answers though
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 21:24
Can't you see I'm trying to live in denial of the future dealings I'll have with them?
I did that too... until they slapped me with the interest and had me sucked in for another six months... and then another payment on the end of that with the interest for the six months of interest... thankfully I managed to cheat their system and pay off the whole dept after that. Grrr.

I see, that sucks...
Yeah, but she should be fine with some R&R. She'll get some antroposophical homeopathic medicine aswell, which, hopefully, won't harm. I'm up for a month of doing all laundry, cleaning and cooking now, but I'm a modern man so it's okay ;)

Non-lousy pay would have been worth losing it over? ;)
Well, with a good enough salary you can always buy a kid or two on ebay :p
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 21:26
And yet, it seems that it was Kryozerkia who said the magic words on this issue ;) Don't worry though UT, if I ever get my lazy ass around to using any of the *nixes, I'm gonna hang at yours and Posis doorstep every night for atleast ten days in a row.
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 21:27
I did that too... until they slapped me with the interest and had me sucked in for another six months... and then another payment on the end of that with the interest for the six months of interest... thankfully I managed to cheat their system and pay off the whole dept after that. Grrr.

I'm contemplating exile for some "preskriptionstid". :P

Yeah, but she should be fine with some R&R. She'll get some antroposophical homeopathic medicine aswell, which, hopefully, won't harm.

She might as well drink water, because that's what she'll be getting and it will be as effective (I really shouldn't get started on the scam that is homœopathy).

I'm up for a month of doing all laundry, cleaning and cooking now, but I'm a modern man so it's okay ;)

You'd mean she does all that usually? How un-Swedish of you.

Well, with a good enough salary you can always buy a kid or two on ebay :p

I dunno, didn't seem to work for Jonas and Mark. They had to buy one straight from the dealer.
Heretichia
30-07-2007, 21:37
I'm contemplating exile for some "preskriptionstid". :P Seems like a good idea, I suggest the Seychelles, nice climate and nice fish dishes, from what I've heard.



She might as well drink water, because that's what she'll be getting and it will be as effective (I really shouldn't get started on the scam that is homœopathy). Now now, as a medical student, you must be aware of the well documented placebo effect, no? ;) Doesn't work with water unless you're a christian scientist.


You'd mean she does all that usually? How un-Swedish of you. Nope, just that we share it. Except the dishes, which I seldom do, and the cooking which I always, without exception, do.


I dunno, didn't seem to work for Jonas and Mark. They had to buy one straight from the dealer. Yeah, but you know what happens when you buy them brand new, right? They lose 20% of their value as soon as you drive out of the gates! In that case, I rather go for a cheaper one, about a year old and with little milage ;)
Posi
30-07-2007, 22:16
And yet, it seems that it was Kryozerkia who said the magic words on this issue ;) Don't worry though UT, if I ever get my lazy ass around to using any of the *nixes, I'm gonna hang at yours and Posis doorstep every night for atleast ten days in a row.Fass is closer.
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Fassigen
30-07-2007, 22:28
Fass is closer.
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Fass has no door step. Fass has a nifty concierge to remove the riff-raff.
Posi
30-07-2007, 22:42
Fass has no door step. Fass has a nifty concierge to remove the riff-raff.Fass would be happy to help. That is why he is a med student after all, so he can help people once he grows up.
Antikythera
30-07-2007, 22:42
Seems like a good idea, I suggest the Seychelles, nice climate and nice fish dishes, from what I've heard.

A friend of mine just got back from 3 weeks in Seychelles, she absolutely loved it.:)
Posi
30-07-2007, 22:44
Other thing I would check with regular patterns of interruptions is disabling power management for the device ... sometimes windows can be dumb and try to "hibernate" the device. This was prevalent on XP and I have not seen many on vista yet but always a good IdeaIts been a couple hours now, and I have yet to have the problem I have mentioned earlier. Good work UT.
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 22:47
Fass would be happy to help. That is why he is a med student after all, so he can help people once he grows up.

Posi is a naïve, special little person.
Posi
30-07-2007, 22:48
Posi is a naïve, special little person.I believe you missed a comma.
Fassigen
30-07-2007, 22:56
I believe you missed a comma.

Nope. "Little person" was a PC way to call you a midget.
UpwardThrust
30-07-2007, 23:50
Its been a couple hours now, and I have yet to have the problem I have mentioned earlier. Good work UT.

Thanks XP and Vista were smarter then 9x but not flawless in that aspect ... the other thing that sometimes caused that was full and half duplex sensing so manually specifying helped. Apparently not your problem lol
SoWiBi
31-07-2007, 00:01
Let me add the caveat that I'm not ashamed to out myself as a complete, utter unknowledgeable fool as far as computer matters go. Now:

"Following" some of the discussion in this thread as far as my meager abilities allow, it appers like my continued problems with my wireless connection shutting itself off at regular 30-40 minute-ish intervals could be remedied by looking into some sort of power supply option thingy (yes, I use Windows XP)? While it's great news that I might finally be able to do somethign about it (other than shrug and have my wireless being called 'spasmic' by random onlookers), I have no idea how I get into that thingy in order to change anything (a perusal of the system setting options thing (I'm working on a German-speaking machine, so to speak, so it's not that easy for me to get the correct names right here) didn't help me much as of yet) - can someone help me?
Posi
31-07-2007, 00:11
Nope. "Little person" was a PC way to call you a midget.Ah, I thought that "little" was being used to describe me, not person. My bad.
Infinite Revolution
31-07-2007, 00:21
same thing happens to me and i have a netgear router and vista. doesn't happen as often though. i think it's a problem with vista because my old computer, which used XP, had no trouble with the same router. i find the problem is easily solved, at least temporarily, by flicking the wireless switch off for a few seconds and then turning back on.
Fassigen
31-07-2007, 00:23
Ah, I thought that "little" was being used to describe me, not person. My bad.

You can rectify that tua culpa of yours by helping SoWiBi.