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I also have some Danish heritage.

So what are your thoughts?

How much danish heritage?

I'd quite like to move to New Zealand after I qualify but it could be quite difficult since it would rely on the wishes of others too

It's probably a common feeling, when faced with the overwhelming sense of disaster in the US -- police brutality, corrupt politicians, destruction of civil liberties, even refusal to accept evolution -- to want to flee the US and move to a saner country. I know that I toy with the idea every now and then... so I'm wondering: if you felt the need to move to a more sensible country (I guess if you're not living in the US now, you can answer this regarding fleeing your own country), where would you go and why?

For me, so far, it looks like either Canada or Denmark -- Canada is nice because culturally it's closer to the US so it wouldn't be as big a leap, but Denmark is nice for me because not only does it rank extremely well on various lists (like infant mortality, acceptance of evolution, political corruption, freedom of the press), I also have some Danish heritage.

So what are your thoughts?

How about Cuba? :)

Canada would love to have you, but try to change America first before giving up so easily.

Good I'm not alone in this country.

I would say either Canada or Norway. Both are a big switch from Miami, but they're nice countries.

Having taken Spainish lessons for two years, Spain is looking like a nice option. But yes, we should try to fix THIS nation first.

How about Cuba? :)

You can trade places with the people who want to defect from Cuba.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3407266

It's probably a common feeling, when faced with the overwhelming sense of disaster in the US -- police brutality, corrupt politicians, destruction of civil liberties, even refusal to accept evolution -- to want to flee the US and move to a saner country. I know that I toy with the idea every now and then... so I'm wondering: if you felt the need to move to a more sensible country (I guess if you're not living in the US now, you can answer this regarding fleeing your own country), where would you go and why?

For me, so far, it looks like either Canada or Denmark -- Canada is nice because culturally it's closer to the US so it wouldn't be as big a leap, but Denmark is nice for me because not only does it rank extremely well on various lists (like infant mortality, acceptance of evolution, political corruption, freedom of the press), I also have some Danish heritage.

So what are your thoughts?


Ever thought about France?

Unless you speak Danish, then Canada would probably be the better option (unless, of course, you are independently wealthy and don't have to worry about getting a job of any sort).

Personally, I'll be moving to Germany in a couple of years - wife wants to move back home, and I'll take any excuse I can to move over there...

My wife and I moved to South Korea last November. Though we didn't quite "flee" the US, we had talked about getting out for so long that when we were finally on the plane it seemed like an escape.

I've enjoyed the hell out of my time here and the wifey-poo loves her job teaching little Koreans how to speak (American) English. We brought the laptop and download our favorite shows (I can't believe they did that to Charlie!), so we are still connected to the US. In fact, Transformers and The Simpsons Movie both debuted in S. Korea before hitting screens stateside.

I don't recommend it for everyone, but it's a beautiful place filled with friendly people that like to drink. (Obligatory blog (http://mokporokcity.blogspot.com/) mention.) BTW: If you use Google Earth- my house looks pretty neat from space... coordinates in my sig.

You could always try Uranus ;)

If I moved anywhere it'd probably be to Canada. But I'm not planning on it.

There are few places that can match the US economy, so if you leave, good luck finding a job.

Instead of asking Americans where they like to move too, One should ask Bush where he would like to move to ! any ideas ? :gundge:

Try Singapore or maybe Pule'anga Tonga

I'd advise you to go for a comparatively small country. Not that they necessarily tend to be saner, but the insanity just never reaches this level of significance.
It's a bit like the difference between a wacky relative and an insane axe murderer.

I'd suggest places like Switzerland, Denmark, Holland, Iceland, Slovenia, Ireland, etc.
Make sure to go for one with a good social net. It does change people's attitudes immensely in my experience.

Instead of asking Americans where they like to move too, One should ask Bush where he would like to move to ! any ideas ? :gundge:

What country would take him??

just await a year and most of those porblems willl go away.

How about Cuba? :)

Not to Cuba, thats for sure, lol.

I think I'd choose Ghana. Bring on the palm wine, and crispy roasted pig!

You could always try Uranus ;)
I've been thinking about Uranus a lot lately, and, while I think that I could have quite a gay time coming there for a while, I just don't think I'd like to hang around for too long.

How about Mexico? It is so good that millions of people have left it to tell Americans how great it is. To bad the words all fall on deaf ears.

There are few places that can match the US economy, so if you leave, good luck finding a job.Western Europe and Canada?

The difference is minimal (except for doctors).

The most important issue is the "emotional distance": Family, GF/BF and friends.
and of course language.

that is why Canada is so appealing. Its easier/cheaper to visit the Family.. and viceversa.

What country would take him (bush)??Saudi Arabia

just await a year and most of those porblems willl go away.

You have much faith in us.

I've lived in Miami for so long I'm not sure if I could handle that kind of change, but if I had to, living in the Irish country side amongst the peat farmers and shepards sounds nice.

Greenland! Faroe Islands! Spitzbergen!

I notice quite a few people from Miami on this thread.... there's probably a higher number of people from here wanting to leave the country than in other, less run-down cities.

Spain sounds like a good option; the economic and political situation is very stable, and I love the level of state sovereignty that exists. The biggest downside would be listening to that horrendous Madrid accent.

But I agree that we should probably place more emphasis on improving our country instead of just cutting and running when things get bad. That's not exactly human nature, though, as anybody with any experience with immigrants can tell you.

Ever thought about France?

That's where I'd go. How I miss Angers. I wish I hadn't left.

I always figured if I had to leave the US I'd go to Britain or join the French Foreign Legion. Canada could be a good idea since it is right there.

It's probably a common feeling, when faced with the overwhelming sense of disaster in the US -- police brutality, corrupt politicians, destruction of civil liberties, even refusal to accept evolution -- to want to flee the US and move to a saner country.

In the defense of the United states, What country is free of the bolded, with the exception of perhaps the last one? In just last week. Australia put questions regarding religion on its citizenship tests, Canada was exposed for increasing police brutality and England's "protective" measures have made the patriot act look downright mild. And corrupt politicians? there hasnt been a country free of them in civilized history.

Not that Im saying America is doing all that well recently.

In the United States, I'm far more concerned with the overextension of resources, the growing acceptance of military in matters out of their jurisdiction, and the expanding power of the executive branch, that I cant see the next president bothering to reduce no matter what the party.

C'mon people, Greenland! Or maybe Norway, Sweden, or Finland! Maybe you could just move to a different part of the US. Maybe...Alaska?

You could always try Uranus ;)

Leave your sexual proclivities out of it.

:p

C'mon people, Greenland! Or maybe Norway, Sweden, or Finland! Maybe you could just move to a different part of the US. Maybe...Alaska?

Definitly Finland. I love that language. But then again, I can just take the ferry :)

If you are rich, come to the UK and have a jolly old time. If you're, I would advise against, unless you like chavs.

If you are rich, come to the UK and have a jolly old time. If you're, I would advise against, unless you like chavs.

What the heck is a chav?

Alaska really is very nice. Sovereign attitudes and wilderness that remains to yet be spoiled. Depending on what part you're in, it is absolutely beautiful. I lived on an air force base there for about four years, and I plan to return If I can truly afford to live a good life there.

What the heck is a chav?

From what I hear they're like crackers, (White people who are entirely mistaken in their impression that they can pull off "being black"), but worse.

How about Cuba? :)

Sounds like a plan!

From what I hear they're like crackers, (White people who are entirely mistaken in their impression that they can pull off "being black"), but worse.

I've always heard the word "cracker" being used to describe someone who is as "not black" as possible.

What the heck is a chav?

Basically our version of a red neck except with even more annoying accents and a different style of clothing (ultra cheap track suits and burberry etc...), it used to be fashionable, but now it's really only a trend in council estates.

I've always heard the word "cracker" being used to describe someone who is as "not black" as possible.

Yeah I know, but not being entirely familiar with what is acceptable on this board, I was loathe to say "wigger", which is much closer to the meaning intended.

From what I hear they're like crackers, (White people who are entirely mistaken in their impression that they can pull off "being black"), but worse.

Hmm, well kind of when they wear loads of bling. Otherwise not so much.

Ah, now I understand what a chav is.

What the heck is a chav?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

Wikipedia knows all...

i'd move to new zealand.

If you are rich, come to the UK and have a jolly old time. If you're, I would advise against, unless you like chavs.

don't they have people like that everywhere?

What the heck is a chav?

Isn't it a spice related to chives? :D

Sweden. Wages are decent, jobs are relatively easy to come by, housing outside major cities is very cheap, public transportation is great, public services are mostly free and pretty much the best in the world, and everyone speaks English.

Germany would be my second pick, but you'll need a solid grasp of the language before hand.

What the heck is a chav?

They are the UK's permanent underclass. They've been around forever. (Think of Bill Sykes as a proto chav).

It wasn't polite to laugh at them until the Labour party won the class war in 1997 though.

Come to Scotland! Safe, rich in natural resources. Alough It might be expensive when you just get here because the pounds so strong.

Canada or New Zealand, definitely.

Oh, and "X-ish heritage" is something Colonials make up when they don't think their homes are exciting enough. If you go to Denmark, you'll be a foreigner and and the "People's Party" has somehow managed to convince people that people who weren't born in Denmark to Danish parents destroy the welfare state.

It's probably a common feeling, when faced with the overwhelming sense of disaster in the US -- police brutality, corrupt politicians, destruction of civil liberties, even refusal to accept evolution -- to want to flee the US and move to a saner country. I know that I toy with the idea every now and then... so I'm wondering: if you felt the need to move to a more sensible country (I guess if you're not living in the US now, you can answer this regarding fleeing your own country), where would you go and why?

For me, so far, it looks like either Canada or Denmark -- Canada is nice because culturally it's closer to the US so it wouldn't be as big a leap, but Denmark is nice for me because not only does it rank extremely well on various lists (like infant mortality, acceptance of evolution, political corruption, freedom of the press), I also have some Danish heritage.

So what are your thoughts?

Canada.

(Think of Bill Sykes as a proto chav).


For a moment I read that as Eric Sykes and was all indignantly primed and ready to launch a tirade.

I was thinking Canada, England, or France.

If you go to Denmark, you'll be a foreigner and and the "People's Party" has somehow managed to convince people that people who weren't born in Denmark to Danish parents destroy the welfare state.

I would be suspicious too.

I'll go to Canada first, since I expect it will be easier to move on to somewhere else from there rather than directly from the U.S.

After that, either New Zealand or Iceland, I really haven't decided.

lol @ how many people are mentioning NZ. As much as I love my little brother, would it be such a hot choice without the Lord of the Rings movies?

Personally I'd move to one of the Scandinavian countries or Canada.

It's probably a common feeling, when faced with the overwhelming sense of disaster in the US -- police brutality, corrupt politicians, destruction of civil liberties, even refusal to accept evolution -- to want to flee the US and move to a saner country. I know that I toy with the idea every now and then... so I'm wondering: if you felt the need to move to a more sensible country (I guess if you're not living in the US now, you can answer this regarding fleeing your own country), where would you go and why?

For me, so far, it looks like either Canada or Denmark -- Canada is nice because culturally it's closer to the US so it wouldn't be as big a leap, but Denmark is nice for me because not only does it rank extremely well on various lists (like infant mortality, acceptance of evolution, political corruption, freedom of the press), I also have some Danish heritage.

So what are your thoughts?
What an hysterical drama Queen you are.


I got a place for you to flee to.. North Korea. Have fun.

What an hysterical drama Queen you are.


I got a place for you to flee to.. North Korea. Have fun.

Seconded.

@ the OP: Really, if your allegiance to your country is that conditional and that weak, I wouldn't want you to stay. Try seeing things in proper perspective.

In the Dominion of Godzone Kiwiland we have really shite broadband - they only just unbundled the local loop last year. It is getting better though, but not if you live in rural areas.

Apart from that though, come on over! :D

Seconded.

@ the OP: Really, if your allegiance to your country is that conditional and that weak, I wouldn't want you to stay. Try seeing things in proper perspective.

*falls of chair laughing at the thought of "allegiance to a country"*

You're joking, right?

What an hysterical drama Queen you are.


I got a place for you to flee to.. North Korea. Have fun.

What's your problem? People have always migrated to new countries in order to improve their living conditions. People came from all over the place to the USA when it had the best living conditions. It doesn't any more, so people are thinking of leaving. What's wrong with that?

*falls of chair laughing at the thought of "allegiance to a country"*

You're joking, right?

Nope. I have a sense of community, as most people do. If you're going to advocate a fringe position, you might at least have the good sense to acknowledge as much. :p I value the individual, but it's silly to think that I owe nothing to my community.

Nope. I have a sense of community, as most people do. If you're going to advocate a fringe position, you might at least have the good sense to acknowledge as much. :p I value the individual, but it's silly to think that I owe nothing to my community.

Community is always as big or small as the individual defines it. Me, I define the community I belong to as Western Europe....
And what precisely would you owe them? :confused:

*falls of chair laughing at the thought of "allegiance to a country"*

You're joking, right?

Why would he be? Do you know what patriotism is? Some of us still have it.

What's your problem? People have always migrated to new countries in order to improve their living conditions. People came from all over the place to the USA when it had the best living conditions. It doesn't any more, so people are thinking of leaving. What's wrong with that?
I doubt any of the things he mentioned as reasons for leaving have affected him personally. He's most likely a daily visitor to one of Alex Jones' site's or something along the lines.

America is still one of the better places to be a citizen.

Seconded.

@ the OP: Really, if your allegiance to your country is that conditional and that weak, I wouldn't want you to stay. Try seeing things in proper perspective.Hehe, dunno if it's unintended, but that's fucking funny.

Allegiance to the US does not include exiling oneself to the country proper. That's one of the more significant differences between NK and the US ;)

Further, the US isn't a vassal-lord deal. On the contrary. As per the constitution, allegiance is a two-way street. If the citizen feels s/he's getting shafted, they're obliged not to put up with it, up to and including armed revolt.

So... Why do you hate freedom? :D

Why would he be?

Cause it's silly?


I doubt any of the things he mentioned as reasons for leaving have affected him personally. He's most likely a daily visitor to one of Alex Jones' site's or something along the lines.

America is still one of the better places to be a citizen.

I repeat, what's wrong with looking for better places?
Please note that "better" here is not an objective term, but subjective. A place that's perfect for one person can be horrible for another. I think people ought to go and find the place they themselves are happiest.

Community is always as big or small as the individual defines it. Me, I define the community I belong to as Western Europe....
And what precisely would you owe them? :confused:

When I've been paid a favor, or given the benefit of someone's time and effort and energy, I like to repay it. I try to apply the rule to all situations. My community made me what I am, and, seeing this as a positive thing, I feel it appropriate to see to its continuity. If it had made me a degenerate person, I probably wouldn't. It comes down to personal ethics - like I said earlier, if a person has no personal ethics to this effect, then I would encourage them to leave. My allegiance to my country and community isn't unconditional, but it's certainly stronger than leaving in the face of minor setbacks or political bungling. You're not likely to find less of that anyplace else, at any rate. :p

Further, the US isn't a vassal-lord deal. On the contrary. As per the constitution, allegiance is a two-way street. If the citizen feels s/he's getting shafted, they're obliged not to put up with it, up to and including armed revolt.

So... Why do you hate freedom? :D

You quoted me, and still didn't get the gist of what I was saying? :p

If he finds those grievances of his too much to bear, then he *should* leave, by all means. He should have that freedom, even if it's the freedom to make an odd decision. ;)

When I've been paid a favor, or given the benefit of someone's time and effort and energy, I like to repay it. I try to apply the rule to all situations. My community made me what I am, and, seeing this as a positive thing, I feel it appropriate to see to its continuity. If it had made me a degenerate person, I probably wouldn't. It comes down to personal ethics - like I said earlier, if a person has no personal ethics to this effect, then I would encourage them to leave. My allegiance to my country and community isn't unconditional, but it's certainly stronger than leaving in the face of minor setbacks or political bungling. You're not likely to find less of that anyplace else, at any rate. :p

So, essentially, the fact that you were born and raised there means that you have to stay the rest of your life to pay off the debt?
Forgive me, but it still doesn't make any sense...

Cause it's silly?
So you feel no national pride what so ever? Just a place you happened to be born in?

I repeat, what's wrong with looking for better places?
Please note that "better" here is not an objective term, but subjective. A place that's perfect for one person can be horrible for another. I think people ought to go and find the place they themselves are happiest.
I never said there was anything wrong with it. I was talking about the reasons he stated for wanting to leave.

So, essentially, the fact that you were born and raised there means that you have to stay the rest of your life to pay off the debt?
Forgive me, but it still doesn't make any sense...

I don't *have to* stay. The way the economy works, I move around quite a bit. However, I feel that it's only right to do what I can to return some of the benefit of the gifts I've been given. I don't "flee" when I find out that the world isn't perfect, and that the government isn't a Swiss watch. :p

I made a personal judgment that the community that I was raised in was *worth* preserving. Like I said before, I wouldn't feel badly about abandoning it if I felt it raised me to be a degenerate person.

So you feel no national pride what so ever? Just a place you happened to be born in?


National pride is a concept I personally never understood. I'm not proud if my next-door neighbour can afford a 2nd car, but I'm supposed to be proud that someone who died centuries ago spoke the same language as I do? How much more silly can you get?
I was born in a place, and raised there, and I know that the prevalent culture there has a great deal of influence on how I view the world. But what's to be proud of? Every single country had its great moments as a national entity, and every single country had moments that humanity can only hide in shame about.

There are few places that can match the US economy, so if you leave, good luck finding a job.

LOL. You're being sarcastic, right? You think the rest of us in every other country are struggling to find a job? I got a job here in France with no problem at all.

I don't think I'd ever leave France (it's a great place to live, and I'm immensely glad that random luck had me born here). Despite being half-British, I don't think I'd want to settle in the UK. I can only really judge the countries I've been too, and most of those (Germany, Italy, Vatican, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Cuba, China, South Korea) I wouldn't really want to move to. Maybe the Netherlands or Sweden (or at a push England, Scotland or Wales), but right where I am is still top of my list.

LOL. You're being sarcastic, right? You think the rest of us in every other country are struggling to find a job? I got a job here in France with no problem at all.


I must admit, that wheneve I see reports from France about the struggle for the 30-hour workweek, even *I'm* tempted to get on a plane and move there. :p Really though, he did say *few*

Why would you not want to live in Australia?

We have EVERYTHING...

*Pulls out a To - Australia immigration form*

Why would you not want to live in Australia?

We have EVERYTHING...

*Pulls out a To - Australia immigration form*

Norway and Iceland are ahead of us on the Human Development Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index). Also, we have a bad current government, poor media freedom and a lot of racist yobs. It is a great place to live though.

You quoted me, and still didn't get the gist of what I was saying? :p Heh, nope. Other way 'round. As a US citizen, s/he's obliged to renounce allegiance to the state if s/he feels the state is overstepping it's bounds - which it arguably is and have been for a great many years.If he finds those grievances of his too much to bear, then he *should* leave, by all means. He should have that freedom, even if it's the freedom to make an odd decision. ;)If s/he wanted something better for the US, it'd be an odd decision. If s/he's beyond giving a shit, then it's a perfectly reasonable one.

I've lived in several countries before I decided to settle in this one, for exactly the same reasons. Now the political climate has changed so significantly in this country that it'll probably take more than two decades just to get back to where we were, and that's more than I'm willing to put up with, so I'm looking to leave yet again, and probably renounce my citizenship (assuming a saner, freer state will have me).

I completely fail to see why I should put up with a couple of decades worth of rubbish, on the hope the country will revert to it's past state. If there was any reasonable hope of progress, I might hesitate to leave, but I see no such thing. So staying put when I'm a small minority with little hope of positive change, and have the choice to seek refuge in one of a number of societies that share my ideals more fully, seems like a stupid idea, no?

America is still one of the better places to be a citizen.

Not the best though, and that is the point of the thread.

Not the best though, and that is the point of the thread.Even the best isn't terribly impressive. It's a bit like saying "But, little Timmy, this turd is the least stinky, so eat up and smile for mummy." It's still a fucking turd :p

Norway and Iceland are ahead of us on the Human Development Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index). Also, we have a bad current government, poor media freedom and a lot of racist yobs. It is a great place to live though.

Oh, sure. Our Government is soo bad.

Its so bad that the un-employment rates is the lowest in 25 years.

Haha, alot of racist yobs....most Australians ARE yobs. Nobody likes a bogan....

Heh, nope. Other way 'round. As a US citizen, s/he's obliged to renounce allegiance to the state if s/he feels the state is overstepping it's bounds - which it arguably is and have been for a great many years.If s/he wanted something better for the US, it'd be an odd decision. If s/he's beyond giving a shit, then it's a perfectly reasonable one.

I've lived in several countries before I decided to settle in this one, for exactly the same reasons. Now the political climate has changed so significantly in this country that it'll probably take more than two decades just to get back to where we were, and that's more than I'm willing to put up with, so I'm looking to leave yet again, and probably renounce my citizenship (assuming a saner, freer state will have me).

I completely fail to see why I should put up with a couple of decades worth of rubbish, on the hope the country will revert to it's past state. If there was any reasonable hope of progress, I might hesitate to leave, but I see no such thing. So staying put when I'm a small minority with little hope of positive change, and have the choice to seek refuge in one of a number of societies that share my ideals more fully, seems like a stupid idea, no?

Like I said: again, you're free to go, and that's how it should be. You're jumping to a conclusion that I don't agree with, but if I did, I could easily leave, likewise. The obligation to turn your passport in at an embassy is a technicality - no one's going to stop you leaving.

Like I said: again, you're free to go, and that's how it should be. You're jumping to a conclusion that I don't agree with, but if I did, I could easily leave, likewise. The obligation to turn your passport in at an embassy is a technicality - no one's going to stop you leaving.For the record, I'm not American. In my case, US policy has no impact on my (well, our) decision, and renouncing my citizenship is a tad more complicated than turning in my passport (they'd just look at me funny if I did, hehe).

For the record, I'm not American. In my case, US policy has no impact on my (well, our) decision, and renouncing my citizenship is a tad more complicated than turning in my passport (they'd just look at me funny if I did, hehe).

Ah, well that's unfortunate. We use more of our cash resources trying to keep the flow into the country orderly, than preventing people from leaving, so that much is relatively free from the bureaucratic mess. I wish I could say that for the rest of the government. :p

Oh, sure. Our Government is soo bad.

Yes, it is. Of course not relative to a lot of other governments of the world but why should I settle for grape-juice when I can have wine? A poor analogy? Yes, but apt nonetheless.

Its so bad that the un-employment rates is the lowest in 25 years.

Did I list the economy on my list of negatives? No. And you should also take those statistics with a grain of salt; the government decides what defines full-time/part-time work and the like and continually stretch them to create the best impression (all governments do this, the ALP did too, but not to the extent Howard's has). Also keep in mind that it is the highest taxing government in Australian history. You can argue about the necessity of this in relation to the number of resources and infrastructure needed (why the states are in deficit) but you need to keep it in mind as an offset to the other economic positives. There are a lot of poor things about the Australian economy right now such as the housing market, however at this stage I wouldn't use the economy as any of my major reasons for wanting to migrate somewhere else.

Haha, alot of racist yobs....most Australians ARE yobs. Nobody likes a bogan....

Most Australians are not yobs; at least not fully-fledged yobs. And as far as I'm aware most people hate yobs as they are an embarrassment and a stain on our society.

Even the best isn't terribly impressive. It's a bit like saying "But, little Timmy, this turd is the least stinky, so eat up and smile for mummy." It's still a fucking turd :p

That is your opinion but, of course, and it is all subjective. Some may think one turd smells far worse than you do.

Most Australians are not yobs; at least not fully-fledged yobs. And as far as I'm aware most people hate yobs as they are an embarrassment and a stain on our society.

Heh. "Yob." That's a new one to me, but I must say it's a great word. :p

Heh. "Yob." That's a new one to me, but I must say it's a great word. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yobbo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yobbo

I think there may be a whole range of mild insults that I don't know of yet. They're not too useful here, but interesting nonetheless. :p

If I had to be a citizen of another country, it would be Switzerland.

Yes, it is. Of course not relative to a lot of other governments of the world but why should I settle for grape-juice when I can have wine? A poor analogy? Yes, but apt nonetheless.



Did I list the economy on my list of negatives? No. And you should also take those statistics with a grain of salt; the government decides what defines full-time/part-time work and the like and continually stretch them to create the best impression (all governments do this, the ALP did too, but not to the extent Howard's has). Also keep in mind that it is the highest taxing government in Australian history. You can argue about the necessity of this in relation to the number of resources and infrastructure needed (why the states are in deficit) but you need to keep it in mind as an offset to the other economic positives. There are a lot of poor things about the Australian economy right now such as the housing market, however at this stage I wouldn't use the economy as any of my major reasons for wanting to migrate somewhere else.



Most Australians are not yobs; at least not fully-fledged yobs. And as far as I'm aware most people hate yobs as they are an embarrassment and a stain on our society.

Ever been to Woy Woy? Bogans & yobs are an embarressment. I never said they weren't.

Ever been to Woy Woy? Bogans & yobs are an embarressment. I never said they weren't.

Preaching to the choir; I live in North Queensland.

Really?

I live in N.S.W. On the Central Coast.

Seconded New Granada, direct democracy ftw.