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Lately I've been interested in finding out about death, near death experiences, and dreams. I've already asked my family members about it, and since we're all a sort of a family I decided I would start a discussion about these things here as well.

So what are your thoughts on death? Do you expect it to be painful/painless? Are you ready for it? Do you want more time? Do you fear it? What do you think will happen after your death? Feel free to discuss topics death-related.

Also, does anyone here on NS have any near-death experiences? Can anyone explain them to me, or have an idea of why the dream-like sequences occur? Feel free to discuss your near-death experiences as well as other things near-death related.

Finally, lets have some discussion on dreams. How often do you remember your dreams? Are your dreams detailed and vivid, or do you only remember the gist of what happened? What are most of your dreams like(pleasant, horrific, boring, etc.)? Have you ever had a dream that was so vivid it was almost real? Please share any interesting (or non-interesting) dreams you've had, although do keep them appropriate.

Lately I've been interested in finding out about death, near death experiences, and dreams.
There is a definitive way to know about death, but I don't think you'd like it.;)


So what are your thoughts on death? Do you expect it to be painful/painless?
It depends on the way you die. It is very different to die in an hospital bed of a rich country, with plenty of pain-killers and your relatives nearby, and to die slowly, disemboweled, alone in the streets.


Also, does anyone here on NS have any near-death experiences?
I once thought I was dead. It happened after a nasty crash I had with a bycicle, I crashed on a roadside rock, landed on it striking it hard with my back. I lay there for some minute, staring at the sky, thinking I was dead. Then I thought, if I'm thinking, then I'm alive. Simple as that. Then I realised THE FUCKING PAIN!

There is a definitive way to know about death, but I don't think you'd like it.;)


It depends on the way you die. It is very different to die in an hospital bed of a rich country, with plenty of pain-killers and your relatives nearby, and to die slowly, disemboweled, alone in the streets.


I once thought I was dead. It happened after a nasty crash I had with a bycicle, I crashed on a roadside rock, landed on it striking it hard with my back. I lay there for some minute, staring at the sky, thinking I was dead. Then I thought, if I'm thinking, then I'm alive. Simple as that. Then I realised THE FUCKING PAIN!

Yeah, I don't think I'm ready to find out.

So you feel that whether or not you feel pain from death depends on the circumstances of it?

Glad you're still with us!

Sure i've had a NDE, actually i've had 3 or 4 of them. The whole out of body experience, flying at great speed around the world, to the end of the univers and beyond, seeing/experiencing my past, seeing the the consequence of staying in that place, the feeling of loss when ejected from it.
The subsequent NDE's were kind of reliving or continuing the first one.
It did rid me of my fear and curiousity about death, been there done that. What it didn't give me was a believe in life after dead.

Lately I've been interested in finding out about death, near death experiences, and dreams. I've already asked my family members about it, and since we're all a sort of a family I decided I would start a discussion about these things here as well.

So what are your thoughts on death? Do you expect it to be painful/painless? Are you ready for it? Do you want more time? Do you fear it? What do you think will happen after your death? Feel free to discuss topics death-related.I have quite a few thoughts on death, but i'm nowhere near as preoccupied with it as i used to be. I have noticed, however, that i've subconsciously known other people who had strong flirtings with death (in a fashion) and been attracted to them in kinship right from the first meeting. A vibe, if you will. My wife and most of my best friends have all got to hear heartbeats being the only thing louder than the deafening silence of impending and imminent demise, that for whatever reasons, we've managed to avoid physically but carry mentally and psychologically forever on.

There's more i can/could reply to, but it would take far, far too long for one post. I'd get logged out.
Plus, i've got the morrow to prepare for.

I have quite a few thoughts on death, but i'm nowhere near as preoccupied with it as i used to be. I have noticed, however, that i've subconsciously known other people who had strong flirtings with death (in a fashion) and been attracted to them in kinship right from the first meeting. A vibe, if you will. My wife and most of my best friends have all got to hear heartbeats being the only thing louder than the deafening silence of impending and imminent demise, that for whatever reasons, we've managed to avoid physically but carry mentally and psychologically forever on.

There's more i can/could reply to, but it would take far, far too long for one post. I'd get logged out.
Plus, i've got the morrow to prepare for.

Well I hope you'll post later!

Also, I don't think I've put down some of my thoughts, so I might as well now.

I personally have a sort of fear of death, but I'm young so I suppose it's natural. I don't really know what to expect, so that's why I want to hear the opinions of others.

I've never had a near-death experience, but I think they're really interesting.

As for dreams, they're just a really curious thing. Most of mine aren't very vivid, and most of them are extremely boring, generally me living my normal life with weird things happening, or sometimes I'm just doing choirs in the house or something. I do have the occasional nightmare, but they're extremely rare. My most vivid nightmare would be being chased by a giant golden cockroach(I was in 1st grade).

I think NDEs are mostly related to the release of DMT into the bloodstream in times of severe trauma. The experince of being propelled into another realm, through some kind of barrier, seeming presence of an 'other', the transfer of information by the 'other.' These are pretty common parts of NDEs and are also the classical markings of a DMT trip. I would also go so far as to guess that a DMT experince is also what we experince after death, as the blood-brain barrier is flooded with DMT released at deal and postmortem as the penial gland's nerver barriers break down. Whether this is a pleasureable or overwhelming and terrifying experince is dependant on the individual, but I think this is the best explination for NDEs and other spiritual experinces from a biochemical standpoint.

For those who don't know, DMT is n,n-dimethyltryptamine, the only natually produced psychadelic in the human body.

Can't help you there, I'm afraid, what with me being immortal (until proven otherwise ;) )

Personally I think that NDE's are just your brain acting up from receiving too little oxygen. And actual death will most probably mean that you do no longer exist to realise that you do not exist or even have existed at all. Death does not only end your life, it nullifies it. Which raises the interesting question if one could not state that, effectively nothing and nobody exists ("If something will not have existed, can it exist now").

Bit of a depressing thought... still working on giving it a positive twist- there should be one, somewhere.

I think NDEs are mostly related to the release of DMT into the bloodstream in times of severe trauma. The experince of being propelled into another realm, through some kind of barrier, seeming presence of an 'other', the transfer of information by the 'other.' These are pretty common parts of NDEs and are also the classical markings of a DMT trip. I would also go so far as to guess that a DMT experince is also what we experince after death, as the blood-brain barrier is flooded with DMT released at deal and postmortem as the penial gland's nerver barriers break down. Whether this is a pleasureable or overwhelming and terrifying experince is dependant on the individual, but I think this is the best explination for NDEs and other spiritual experinces from a biochemical standpoint.

For those who don't know, DMT is n,n-dimethyltryptamine, the only natually produced psychadelic in the human body.

Yeah, I think I read that on Wiki! It makes sense, but there's still room for doubt.

So you feel that whether or not you feel pain from death depends on the circumstances of it?
Exactly. Pain, after all, is just some electrochemical signal going from your nerves to your brain. If you're high on pain-killers, for instance, you don't feel pain.

Glad you're still with us!
Yeah, me too!

Can't help you there, I'm afraid, what with me being immortal (until proven otherwise ;) )

Personally I think that NDE's are just your brain acting up from receiving too little oxygen. And actual death will most probably mean that you do no longer exist to realise that you do not exist or even have existed at all. Death does not only end your life, it nullifies it. Which raises the interesting question if one could not state that, effectively nothing and nobody exists ("If something will not have existed, can it exist now").

Bit of a depressing thought... still working on giving it a positive twist- there should be one, somewhere.

I was thinking along the same lines today (when it comes to death), death as non-existence, it really a frightening thought. To think that I will no longer be able to think!

Exactly. Pain, after all, is just some electrochemical signal going from your nerves to your brain. If you're high on pain-killers, for instance, you don't feel pain.


Yeah, me too!

Yeah, I hadn't thought if it like that. I was wondering if there might be a pain from being wrenched from this world(although I personally think it will be peaceful), but I guess none of us can really know right now.

Well I hope you'll post later!I've got a little more time. :)


Also, I don't think I've put down some of my thoughts, so I might as well now.

I personally have a sort of fear of death, but I'm young so I suppose it's natural. I don't really know what to expect, so that's why I want to hear the opinions of others.I've since gotten mostly over the fear of death thing myself, but the instinct of fear of pain is still pretty strong. Not the kind that people deal with on average, mind you, i've had more than my share - real migraines, ulcer, tooth infection moving towards my brain, two kidney stones, and Osgood-Schlatter Disease both as a teen and now (although i suspect it's worse than just that).
Also, i have fears for the spirits in this world who have their binds with me, and for the experience of loss and despair that comes with being closer than normal to someone.

I've never had a near-death experience, but I think they're really interesting.None of the experiences were along the lines of the typical explanation/scenario of a tunnel and the like. Nothing like that.
Severe, profound displacement, and a few other curious types of awareness, but not "the tunnel". *shrug*


As for dreams, they're just a really curious thing. Most of mine aren't very vivid, and most of them are extremely boring, generally me living my normal life with weird things happening, or sometimes I'm just doing choirs in the house or something. I do have the occasional nightmare, but they're extremely rare. My most vivid nightmare would be being chased by a giant golden cockroach(I was in 1st grade).I spend about 7 minutes or so every night before falling asleep where i try to straddle the theta state and semi-consciousness, so i can pull out anything my subconscious has been clinging to in order to make whatever scant sleep i get to be miserable (sleep apnea).
It usually works very, very well ... and it's kinda crucial since i can only really sleep in on the weekends, and even then i don't have time to do the usual focus required for lucid dreaming.

It's worth it, though.

Well I hope you'll post later!

Also, I don't think I've put down some of my thoughts, so I might as well now.

I personally have a sort of fear of death, but I'm young so I suppose it's natural. I don't really know what to expect, so that's why I want to hear the opinions of others.

I've never had a near-death experience, but I think they're really interesting.

As for dreams, they're just a really curious thing. Most of mine aren't very vivid, and most of them are extremely boring, generally me living my normal life with weird things happening, or sometimes I'm just doing choirs in the house or something. I do have the occasional nightmare, but they're extremely rare. My most vivid nightmare would be being chased by a giant golden cockroach(I was in 1st grade).


choirs :confused:

choirs :confused:

I meant chores.

Sorry about that.

I've got a little more time. :)

I've since gotten mostly over the fear of death thing myself, but the instinct of fear of pain is still pretty strong. Not the kind that people deal with on average, mind you, i've had more than my share - real migraines, ulcer, tooth infection moving towards my brain, two kidney stones, and Osgood-Schlatter Disease both as a teen and now (although i suspect it's worse than just that).
Also, i have fears for the spirits in this world who have their binds with me, and for the experience of loss and despair that comes with being closer than normal to someone.
None of the experiences were along the lines of the typical explanation/scenario of a tunnel and the like. Nothing like that.
Severe, profound displacement, and a few other curious types of awareness, but not "the tunnel". *shrug*

I spend about 7 minutes or so every night before falling asleep where i try to straddle the theta state and semi-consciousness, so i can pull out anything my subconscious has been clinging to in order to make whatever scant sleep i get to be miserable (sleep apnea).
It usually works very, very well ... and it's kinda crucial since i can only really sleep in on the weekends, and even then i don't have time to do the usual focus required for lucid dreaming.

It's worth it, though.

I know what you mean, my parents for instance aren't really afraid of it the way I am, I suppose it just takes some time.

I kind of thought that death might give us a chance to meet with our loved ones again.

Interesting.

Well, my father tried explaining the dream states and everything to me, but it hasn't sunken in yet, and I was kind of sleepy myself, so I'll ask him to explain it to me again and then I might be able to understand that last bit of your post. I do remember though that he said there was a sort of dream state that if you woke up in, then you remember your dream, otherwise you don't.

I think NDEs are mostly related to the release of DMT into the bloodstream in times of severe trauma. The experince of being propelled into another realm, through some kind of barrier, seeming presence of an 'other', the transfer of information by the 'other.' These are pretty common parts of NDEs and are also the classical markings of a DMT trip. I would also go so far as to guess that a DMT experince is also what we experince after death, as the blood-brain barrier is flooded with DMT released at deal and postmortem as the penial gland's nerver barriers break down. Whether this is a pleasureable or overwhelming and terrifying experince is dependant on the individual, but I think this is the best explination for NDEs and other spiritual experinces from a biochemical standpoint.


A NDE is nothing like a dip in the dmt realm. If you want a biochemical explantion i think it's the result of a massive release of glutamate resulting in the stimulation of the nmda receptor. This give the brain (limited) protection against anoxia and as a side effect triggers memories and alters conciousness in weird and wonderful ways, and being a dissociative it also shield you from pain.

A NDE is nothing like a dip in the dmt realm. If you want a biochemical explantion i think it's the result of a massive release of glutamate resulting in the stimulation of the nmda receptor. This give the brain (limited) protection against anoxia and as a side effect triggers memories and alters conciousness in weird and wonderful ways, and being a dissociative it also shield you from pain.


Well essentially it explains an NDE the same way doesn't it, that the body is losing oxygen and the chemical releases from that cause the experiences?

Well, if I may add...(which I can, seeing as its a public forum;)), I've figured out I'm not all that worried about death, as there will be eternal life, or rebirth, and all that jazz, or I cease to exist, in which I'm not in the position to care! However, I do find I'm worried about how other people would feel if I died (oh, and I can't rule the world if I'm dead...yet), and I'm worried about a painfull death (lets just say I hope I don't end up in hostel:eek:).

Now as for dreams, I find I can only remember snippets vividly, and with a feeling of how the dream went about. Sadly (or fortunitly) I havent had any NDE, but hey, theres always tommorow:D

Nice topic. As for the DMT theory...no clue never even heard about it. And I've read a lot on this particular topic. Since you're looking into it you might want to research OBE's or Out of Body Experience. These are different from NDE as the risk of actually dying is almost non-existent and can be self induced with the proper training. Although it has been known that people can have OBE's spontaneously. One way to experience an NDE voyage so to speak is to look into OBE's as you can actually experience just about anything someone experiencing a NDE can, once more without actually risking death.

Lucid dreaming was mention before. Note that Lucid dreaming and OBE's are different as the first is more like a controlled hallucination and OBE's are where your mind is actually outside the body. My recommendation is to read the works of Robert A. Monroe. His books were enlighting and you can even learn the process to obtain an OBE from the first book: Journeys out of the Body.

As for me personally I'm still trying to obtain an OBE although I've gotten to the point where I can see with my eyes closed(barely conscious while doing this, and when I snap back into a fully awake mental state..it just fades away) i still haven't had much luck.

I'm not sure if it fits the classic definition of Near Death Experience, but I have personally met Chuck Norris(true).

;)

Hmmm... well, the only reason why we fear death, why we fear death so badly, is because every single of our ancestors who wouldn't have felt fear of death would not have lived long enough to produce any offspring that would have carried on his genetic heritage.

Then, when comes after that?
Wernher von Braun:

"Nature does not know extinction; all it knows is transformation. Everything science has taught me, and continues to teach me, strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after death."


Then again, Wernher von Braun was the bad boy who constructed the V1 and V2, who sent a lot of people into "transformation", so he must know.

I think it's all a question of information. You know, both matter and energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed. Since all your brain functions are made up of energy, and your body is made up of matter, you will certainly continue existence, but you are not you anymore. Then, there's information. The mind is ultimately alot of information. Let me put it like this: Someone paints a picture, and you deface it? Were has the picture gone? I'm unsure wether the laws forbidding the destruction of matter and energy also expand unto information. If yes, the information on both the picture and the mind will pop up somewere else and continue existance. Of course, this is just my theory, and it could likely be that there are completely different, more metaphyiscal, laws for the human soul.

Lately I've been interested in finding out about death, near death experiences, and dreams. I've already asked my family members about it, and since we're all a sort of a family I decided I would start a discussion about these things here as well.

Emo kid *points

So what are your thoughts on death? Do you expect it to be painful/painless? Are you ready for it? Do you want more time? Do you fear it? What do you think will happen after your death? Feel free to discuss topics death-related.

Well, I hope that my death will be painless, but I can never be sure. I have to admit that I am not ready for death 100%; if I had to die tomorrow, I would be alright, but I have not done a will yet or anything. Naturally, I want more time, and although I fear death as much as the next person, I rarely let it get in the way of me doing things. Personally, I think that after death will be the hereafter, heaven or hell.

Also, does anyone here on NS have any near-death experiences? Can anyone explain them to me, or have an idea of why the dream-like sequences occur? Feel free to discuss your near-death experiences as well as other things near-death related.

Well, the closest I have come to death is when a bolt of lighting hit across the wall from me, the flash of light was awesome, I was terrified and thankful at the same time, and my internet had just died. Also, had an earthquake which struck Tonga last year been a little stronger, then I could have died as well (I will never forget that day, waking up and hearing on the news that the East Coast of New Zealand had been under tsunami alert and I had slept the whole time)

Finally, lets have some discussion on dreams. How often do you remember your dreams? Are your dreams detailed and vivid, or do you only remember the gist of what happened? What are most of your dreams like(pleasant, horrific, boring, etc.)? Have you ever had a dream that was so vivid it was almost real? Please share any interesting (or non-interesting) dreams you've had, although do keep them appropriate.

I rarely remember my dreams; the ones I tend to remember were ones that I talked to people about. Some of my dreams I must admit have been vivid, vivid to the point where I think it is real life (for some reason, I am usually able to know what a dream is and if it goes bad, I just wake up).

Probably the most interesting dream I had was one that I consistently had at the beginning of this year; about ten times, I kept on dreaming about the same person. Otherwise, my dreams tend to be dull (or annoying) and I usually only experience one that I can remember about once every quarter.

Eh, death is the end. Hope it isn't painful. Can't say I've had NDEs...though my dreams are very, very vivid and I generally act in a manner completely opposite to my normal personality. They're certainly quite interesting, however.

I never had a NDE. I have dissociated, though, and its pretty screwed up what goes on. In fact, I can't even really explain it in words.

I've been interested in dreams for a while. I used to lucid dream, but I haven't tried in a while as all the meetings with the hag got annoying. The best way I can describe lucid dreaming is like you're a director in a movie... and you're also the main actor. My normal dreams are pretty vivid (they have color) and they're about a whole variety of topics. One cool thing I managed to do once was have "The Wall" on repeat while sleeping, and it guided my dreams. Since it was on repeat my dream kept looping!

My experience with death occurred 5 years ago, I was overcome by carbon monoxide, I will add that this was intentional and in hindsight I am not ashamed of it. I was considered irreversible with an oxygen level in the blood of 0%, the only vital organ that still functioned was my heart. I was stowed away in ICU awaiting the final beat. What I do remember from this is that silent and soft feeling of floating, no pain or discomfort, on the emergency ward I recall seeing and hearing the medical staff discussing my treatment, they were poking into my eyes to generate a reaction and I felt nothing. only my vision and my hearing were at several intervals still active and receptive. Besides these "lucid" intervals I was completely gone, no memories of lights or visions of known deceased family members. After 24 hours I came back to a conscious level that totally flabbergasted the ICU staff. They considered it a never seen occurrence where a person had survived such high oxygen deprived circumstances with no damage to the brain. Personally I do believe in a spiritual form of afterlife, although non religious. I guess I was not ready to leave this earthly life under any circumstances and now I run around with the thought that I still need to achieve something, assumable of some importance, I have learned to understand my weaknesses and my limits, which actually have made me a stronger person in character. I've never had troubles talking about it, it is no surprise when you consider that I was previously employed as a trauma specialist in the ambulance services and this had given me an intimate view of death or near death from others. All in all I am not afraid to die as I am now 60 years old with the spirit and physique of a 45 year old, but I do enjoy the little things in life that most people walk by, oblivious of its beauty. I can honestly say "been there, done that" .

Do you expect it to be painful/painless?

Obviously, it depends on how you die as already mentioned.


Are you ready for it?

Not sure, however I guess it doesn't really matter as I have no say in the matter.

Do you want more time?

Yes. I'd love to live forever to be honest.

Do you fear it?

No, since I know what is after it (nothing). It just pisses me off is all.

What do you think will happen after your death?

Nothing. Everything we feel, see, hear, smell etc is dependant on our brain. No brain activity = us feeling nothing.

Also, does anyone here on NS have any near-death experiences? Can anyone explain them to me, or have an idea of why the dream-like sequences occur? Feel free to discuss your near-death experiences as well as other things near-death related.

I haven't had one personally but I've read a fair bit about them and came to the conclusion they are simply produced by chemicals in the brain which are present when the brain begins to die/dies.

Finally, lets have some discussion on dreams. How often do you remember your dreams? Are your dreams detailed and vivid, or do you only remember the gist of what happened? What are most of your dreams like(pleasant, horrific, boring, etc.)? Have you ever had a dream that was so vivid it was almost real? Please share any interesting (or non-interesting) dreams you've had, although do keep them appropriate.

A while back I consciously started trying to remember my dreams and writing them down as soon as I woke up. After realising how pointless this was I stopped. In general however being able to remember a dream can depend upon at which phase of sleep you wake up out of from.

Lately I've been interested in finding out about death, near death experiences, and dreams. I've already asked my family members about it, and since we're all a sort of a family I decided I would start a discussion about these things here as well.So.. How worried are they? :p Do you expect it to be painful/painless?I figure it depends on the circumstances. I smoke, so it probably won't be fun. Are you ready for it?I doubt I'll live long enough to be ready for it. Do you want more time?Pt. a lifespan of 3-500 years sounds nice. Do you fear it?No, not at all. What do you think will happen after your death?Nothing. Though I suppose it's possible, at least under some circumstances, to experience death as an infinite dream.Also, does anyone here on NS have any near-death experiences?Sort of. I had an out-of-body experience once when I hit my head. I wasn't dying or anything though. All that happened was I 'saw' myself from a few feet above. Not all that interesting, really.Can anyone explain them to me, or have an idea of why the dream-like sequences occur?Hmm.. The explanation is something about a chemical fluke in the brain. I read up on it back when it happened to me, but I honestly can't remember the details. It's perfectly mundane though. The Wiki might have the details.Feel free to discuss your near-death experiences as well as other things near-death related.When revived, is it normal to have a massive hardon?How often do you remember your dreams?Virtually never.Have you ever had a dream that was so vivid it was almost real?Once. The most horrible nightmare I ever had, involving lethal letters. Completely ridiculous, but it scared the shit out of me.

I don't like to think about the actual pain of death, it irks me.

I don't really know about NDE's either, I know someone who had one, I believe them, I don't know what causes it, it could be some sort of brain malfunction, but I believe people really do have them and that some of them really do believe they are really some sort of view of the "other side". The person I know who had one thinks that he just had a weird experience and isn't putting any more thought into it right now.

I died on the operating table once for like 2-3 minutes and I don't remember anything except like the dream of floating above my body, but I am not sure if it was a dream or real, or if what I remember I observed from up there or if I heard it and worked it into my dream (which I do often) or if I didn't have the dream but my mind thinks I did after I found out that I had died briefly. I don't know how to investigate further.

My dreams are very vivid, and mostly mundane crap, they are hardly ever terrifying or typical flying or showing up for a test naked or any of that. They are mostly cryptic conversations and day to day stuff. I think there is probably a lot of symbolism in my dreams, but I am too lazy to decode them. About once/twice a quarter I have a prophetic dream, I never know it is until it comes to pass later and mostly it's one of those things that would happen anyway, so it doesn't matter that I could have predicted it.


I write all my dreams down as soon as I wake up. I have a friend who analyzes them and he likes to read mine to his class because they are good for analyzing or whatever, mostly I don't really care what they come up with so he doesn't tell me, but sometimes it's so off the wall funny that he lets me know, and I laugh.

If a dream seems real, it's usually one that's so surreal that I should know it's not, but while I am dreaming I don't realize it.

i expect my death to be firey. i haven't had any near-death experiences but i've had several near-life experiences where i actually felt like i was living rather than simply occupying this corporeal form until the time comes for me to leave. i don't tend to remember my dreams at all.

If a dream seems real, it's usually one that's so surreal that I should know it's not, but while I am dreaming I don't realize it.

An alternative. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming)

If I exist, death does not.

If death exists, I do not.

Why fear something that cannot exist while I can?

I'm not sure if it fits the classic definition of Near Death Experience, but I have personally met Chuck Norris(true).

;)

THAT would explain your penchant for the nut-kicking.
*nods emphatically*

If I exist, death does not.

If death exists, I do not.

Why fear something that cannot exist while I can?
Awesome. *bows*
Loss is a close second, however.

Nonetheless, the spoon bends mightily for you.

I haven't had a pleasant dream for the past several months. It's terrible.

If I exist, death does not.

If death exists, I do not.

Why fear something that cannot exist while I can?

Yeah. Epicurus is cool. :p

As for near-death, I've only had a couple close calls. One bad car wreck, and a couple other traffic-related things. I've been lucky so far. :)

I haven't had a pleasant dream for the past several months. It's terrible.

Concentrate on WYTYG.



No, wait! NOT FOR NOVICES!
Instead, perhaps ... weasels?
http://theanimalstore.com/images/ferrets2.jpg

I know what you mean, my parents for instance aren't really afraid of it the way I am, I suppose it just takes some time.Tenet nosce. :)

I kind of thought that death might give us a chance to meet with our loved ones again.
It may. The hardest part would be the difference between what i knew, what i hoped, and what they'd moved onto.


Well, my father tried explaining the dream states and everything to me, but it hasn't sunken in yet, and I was kind of sleepy myself, so I'll ask him to explain it to me again and then I might be able to understand that last bit of your post. I do remember though that he said there was a sort of dream state that if you woke up in, then you remember your dream, otherwise you don't.There is for most people, but there's any number of varying degrees of lucidity and cognizance one might go through, and keeping the discipline to give yourself the patterns you need to maintain control are pretty difficult. But the best parts are from forcing yourself to concoct things that surprise yourself with. *nods emphatically* Literature helps, especially certain forms of poetry, and of course, imagery.
Remember also that there's chemical influences that can mess the whole thing up, though ... so diet, timing, and emotional attitude are pretty important.
...

:)

Concentrate on WYTYG.



No, wait! NOT FOR NOVICES!
Instead, perhaps ... weasels?
http://theanimalstore.com/images/ferrets2.jpg

I don't know what she looks like...

I don't know what she looks like...She has this one image of ... herself ... that will likely burn a pleasant image into your mind.
:p

IIRC, she's in the NSG Players' Info thread somewhere.
There's lotsa good pix there anyway.

Tenet nosce. :)
It may. The hardest part would be the difference between what i knew, what i hoped, and what they'd moved onto.

There is for most people, but there's any number of varying degrees of lucidity and cognizance one might go through, and keeping the discipline to give yourself the patterns you need to maintain control are pretty difficult. But the best parts are from forcing yourself to concoct things that surprise yourself with. *nods emphatically* Literature helps, especially certain forms of poetry, and of course, imagery.
Remember also that there's chemical influences that can mess the whole thing up, though ... so diet, timing, and emotional attitude are pretty important.
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:)

So do you ever have the kind of dreams that need interpreting? Sadly, I don't receive much of these sort of dreams. Most of mine, as I've said, are pretty dull, they kind of make me want to wake up.

I've somehow developed the ability to decide what I dream about.
That mainly transforms into something completely different, yet still has the same characters. I guess I lucid dream all the time:p
But my dreams are only interesting to me, cuz I know what they are about.
It would seem completely pointless to anyone else;)

So do you ever have the kind of dreams that need interpreting?Yes, actually, since i've usually sifted through the subconscious stuff already and addressed it before i fall asleep. Best way to keep out nightmares and the like. So in lucid dreaming, they're usually peculiar social circumstances and mysteries (so my subconscious self can confound my lucid self). When i wake up, i try to backtrack to figure out how my "thought-waiting" managed to concoct enough to keep ahead of me in the dream state, swing-for-swing.

Yes, actually, since i've usually sifted through the subconscious stuff already and addressed it before i fall asleep. Best way to keep out nightmares and the like. So in lucid dreaming, they're usually peculiar social circumstances and mysteries (so my subconscious self can confound my lucid self). When i wake up, i try to backtrack to figure out how my "thought-waiting" managed to concoct enough to keep ahead of me in the dream state, swing-for-swing.

That's cool, if it wasn't so much work then I might do it too.

That's cool, if it wasn't so much work then I might do it too.

Well, if you can, take a walk about 45 minutes to an hour before bed, to clear your head.
Or meditate, if you can/do.
It's really not hard at all, just gotta try a few times.
Remember to look at your hands, your feet, the sky (straight up), and on occasion, will yourself to have a specific sensation. Think about weird things you've eaten, too. (in the dream state)

As i'm to lazy to go and get all the exact questions i'll do the best i can off my memory(besides that im doing a stupid required course on alcohol online so i can attend colelge this fall)

Do I Fear Death?
No, I look forward to finding out what comes next too much and I know that I cannot die until it is time for me to die and when that time comes there is nothing that I can do or say to change it.

What Causes the "stuff" During NDE?
I think it is the body/mind last attempt to let you relive all your good times. So that you can embrace your departure from this world wholeheartedly knowing that you had a full life.

Have I had NDE?
Yes once. I flipped a 2000 Chevy Impala at just over 100 mph and when it landed (on its side) no doors would open and there was fire. Although I didn't experience any of these things yall have mentioned. Mostly I was pissed that I wasn't going to get to say goodbye to my friends and family.

My Dreams?
Rarely do I remember my dreams. Mostly I contribute this to the fact that during said dream i did not realize that I was dreaming. In all the dreams that I CAN remember i knew during the dream that i WAS in fact dreaming. Not only are these dreamd extremely Vivid (color) I tend to be able to control them aas far as what happend to me and around me. I have no explanation for this whatsoever: however, the only thing about my dreams that really just freaks me out is that I have had dreams so realistic and true to life that where i received a cut puncture abrasion or bruise in the dream for whatever purpose i have had the exact same markings when i wake. (once was a rather nice cut most the way down my fore arm) If anyone can explain this I would be most grateful to hear it.

I hope my insight has meant something to you.

What Causes the "stuff" During NDE?
I think it is the body/mind last attempt to let you relive all your good times. So that you can embrace your departure from this world wholeheartedly knowing that you had a full life.Awesome. *bows*
I guess I could be pretty pissed off about what happened to me... but it's hard to stay mad, when there's so much beauty in the world. Sometimes I feel like I'm seeing it all at once, and it's too much, my heart fills up like a balloon that's about to burst... And then I remember to relax, and stop trying to hold on to it, and then it flows through me like rain and I can't feel anything but gratitude for every single moment of my stupid little life.


My Dreams?
Rarely do I remember my dreams. Mostly I contribute this to the fact that during said dream i did not realize that I was dreaming. In all the dreams that I CAN remember i knew during the dream that i WAS in fact dreaming. Not only are these dreamd extremely Vivid (color) I tend to be able to control them aas far as what happend to me and around me. I have no explanation for this whatsoever: however, the only thing about my dreams that really just freaks me out is that I have had dreams so realistic and true to life that where i received a cut puncture abrasion or bruise in the dream for whatever purpose i have had the exact same markings when i wake. (once was a rather nice cut most the way down my fore arm) If anyone can explain this I would be most grateful to hear it.I took a .45 slug in my arm to protect my torso in a dream (where someone had broke into my house), whereas, i speculate, right then i was swinging my arm in real life and whanged the same arm against the side of my waterbed frame.
I woke up with a welt right where the bullet hit me in the dream.
Other than that, i dunno - sub-hypnotic suggestion of sorts?


I hope my insight has meant something to you.
Of course. :)

Had posted this in the omen thread originally in reply to someone talking about dreams. But decided to move it here .. was a bit too long to be off topic there.


When I do remember my dreams I usually remember them very well. Most of the time my dreams are neutral meaning I don't feel any overwhelming happiness or overwhelming fear. But I have had a couple of spine tingling scary ones that woke me up and I've also had a few strong love feelings in dreams.

I've dreamed I was other people. Sometimes I knew I was (one time I was a black chic and I actually looked in a mirror in the dream -- wasn't a crystal clear image but I could see me/her) other times it was just a regular dream. I also had a dream where I was myself, but the me in the dream was in another realm or something (not sure of the correct term -- it wasn't back in time or anything.. just not the same line) and I was frantically trying to find out information about myself .. what type of work I did .. did I have kids .. etc. I found a book of addresses and telephone numbers, but I couldn't freakin read them. Never did see that 'me' and didn't find out anything really.

Most war/combat dreams I have, I'm someone else. I've been shot in dreams .. shot other people, neither of us die and most of the time I have a hard time pulling the trigger .. it's like I get real weak and have to use all my might to pull that hammer - this is when I'm just me -- usually in my home and trying to kill an intruder before they kill me.

I've 'drowned' and then breathed under water, been flying around and then fell out of the sky landed and rolled and stood up. I've flown over places that look like this (http://www.rome.ro/images/News/sm_russia_cathedral.jpg) except it was usually at night and they were lit up. I've dreamed I was in a war torn city .. which looked like somewhere in the middle east. I use to dream about water a lot. Read somewhere that it means change or something.. but I'm sure it can mean different things at different times.

I had a dream of this (http://www.brassmagazine.com/announcements/archive/20041118/_img/pearl_harbor_memorial.jpg) before I knew what it was. I didn't realize what it was til years later.

It's like I went through a period of years (around 1999-2001) where my dreams were vivid and very interesting. I have them rarely now. I'm not even going to go into the ones I had of God. But they were during that time as well. Wrote a few down, but I pretty much remember them clearly.


As for death... I've never had a near death experience. I don't worry about death.. I worry about before death. Having a stroke or something and not being able to do the simplest things for myself like bathe, go to the bathroom or feed myself. Not really worried about being in pain or just sick because if I still have my mental and at least enough of my physical capacities and I get fed up I'd take care of it myself. It's the being out of control of what I can do that I worry about. But I'm not special.. people have to deal with things like this everyday and if I end up in a state like that .. well I'll just have to deal with it until I go on out.

Awesome. *bows*


I took a .45 slug in my arm to protect my torso in a dream (where someone had broke into my house), whereas, i speculate, right then i was swinging my arm in real life and whanged the same arm against the side of my waterbed frame.
I woke up with a welt right where the bullet hit me in the dream.
Other than that, i dunno - sub-hypnotic suggestion of sorts?


Of course. :)

Hey that reminds me, when I was back in 1st or 2nd grade (for some reason all the interesting dreams happened when I was a kid), I would have dreams where everything was dark, except for this hill I was standing on, and it was illuminated by this eerie sort of light, and then I would jump off, and start falling and falling and falling, and then I would hit the ground (which was dark too). At this point I would wake up and find myself on the floor, in slight pain.
This happened a few times, until I got a bigger bed.
:)

Had posted this in the omen thread originally in reply to someone talking about dreams. But decided to move it here .. was a bit too long to be off topic there.


When I do remember my dreams I usually remember them very well. Most of the time my dreams are neutral meaning I don't feel any overwhelming happiness or overwhelming fear. But I have had a couple of spine tingling scary ones that woke me up and I've also had a few strong love feelings in dreams.

I've dreamed I was other people. Sometimes I knew I was (one time I was a black chic and I actually looked in a mirror in the dream -- wasn't a crystal clear image but I could see me/her) other times it was just a regular dream. I also had a dream where I was myself, but the me in the dream was in another realm or something (not sure of the correct term -- it wasn't back in time or anything.. just not the same line) and I was frantically trying to find out information about myself .. what type of work I did .. did I have kids .. etc. I found a book of addresses and telephone numbers, but I couldn't freakin read them. Never did see that 'me' and didn't find out anything really.

Most war/combat dreams I have, I'm someone else. I've been shot in dreams .. shot other people, neither of us die and most of the time I have a hard time pulling the trigger .. it's like I get real weak and have to use all my might to pull that hammer - this is when I'm just me -- usually in my home and trying to kill an intruder before they kill me.

I've 'drowned' and then breathed under water, been flying around and then fell out of the sky landed and rolled and stood up. I've flown over places that look like this (http://www.rome.ro/images/News/sm_russia_cathedral.jpg) except it was usually at night and they were lit up. I've dreamed I was in a war torn city .. which looked like somewhere in the middle east. I use to dream about water a lot. Read somewhere that it means change or something.. but I'm sure it can mean different things at different times.

I had a dream of this (http://www.brassmagazine.com/announcements/archive/20041118/_img/pearl_harbor_memorial.jpg) before I knew what it was. I didn't realize what it was til years later.

It's like I went through a period of years (around 1999-2001) where my dreams were vivid and very interesting. I have them rarely now. I'm not even going to go into the ones I had of God. But they were during that time as well. Wrote a few down, but I pretty much remember them clearly.


As for death... I've never had a near death experience. I don't worry about death.. I worry about before death. Having a stroke or something and not being able to do the simplest things for myself like bathe, go to the bathroom or feed myself. Not really worried about being in pain or just sick because if I still have my mental and at least enough of my physical capacities and I get fed up I'd take care of it myself. It's the being out of control of what I can do that I worry about. But I'm not special.. people have to deal with things like this everyday and if I end up in a state like that .. well I'll just have to deal with it until I go on out.


Wow, that's a lot of dreams. It seems you've had more interesting dreams in 3 years then I've had overall. I guess we go through phases though, I used to have more vivid dreams when I was younger.