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Official: $20 billion arms sale to Saudis in the works (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/28/saudi.arms/index.html)

The US are doing it again: give weapons to a country in the Middle East region. And in 10 to 20 years, will it blow up in their faces as Iraq (and Iran and Afghanistan earlier) did?

And why are they doing this?

And why are they doing this?
Moneys.

Duh.

The US has been doing this since the 1950's...it's nothing new. There's no way in hell we'll touch the Saudis until they're no longer a critical source of oil supplies, and by that point there won't be anything worth invading for in the first place. All this does is make a little more money for us and ideally arm them for use against any kind of Iranian saber-rattling.

Moneys.

Duh.

Should anyone find surprise?

A little concern perhaps?

...meh...?

Should anyone find surprise?

A little concern perhaps?

I would be far more surprised and concerned if the US wasn't selling weapons and equipment to them.

The US has been doing this since the 1950's...it's nothing new. There's no way in hell we'll touch the Saudis until they're no longer a critical source of oil supplies, and by that point there won't be anything worth invading for in the first place. All this does is make a little more money for us and ideally arm them for use against any kind of Iranian saber-rattling.

Oh....that sounds logical...I guess....

When we leave Iraq there is going to be a major push by Turkey to control the Kurdish Areas, Iran wants the whole thing and Saudi Arabia wants to help the Sunni. If we sell the Saudis they will be killing Iranians with the weapons :) Those weapons they are talking about won't ever be used against us. We don't let counties have any air power if we fight them.

When a huge war breaks out with those countries, don't say I didn't tell you so.

The Saudis are friendly to the US, and the two countries are allies...until the Saudis run out of oil...they aren't gonna go to war if the Saudis have oil, and if they don't have oil there's no reason to invade...

The Saudis are friendly to the US, and the two countries are allies...until the Saudis run out of oil...they aren't gonna go to war if the Saudis have oil, and if they don't have oil there's no reason to invade...

The Saudis are friendly to the US in the same way that a businessman is friendly to a good customer. They don't give a shit about us. In fact, they secretly hate us. But as long as they can profit from us, they will grin and nod and weasel up to us like the middle east equivalent of Eddie Haskell. Then, should that relationship ever change, they'll fuck us at their earliest convenience. *nod*

The Saudis are friendly to the US in the same way that a businessman is friendly to a good customer. They don't give a shit about us. In fact, they secretly hate us. But as long as they can profit from us, they will grin and nod and weasel up to us like the middle east equivalent of Eddie Haskell. Then, should that relationship ever change, they'll fuck us at their earliest convenience. *nod*

Well said, LG. That pretty much hits the nail on the head.

Then, should that relationship ever change, they'll fuck us at their earliest convenience. *nod*

Will this fucking at least be gentle and sweet? As in will there be cuddling afterwards?

Economic allies are like men, can't trust them, and they're always after you're money and goods and services...Perhaps I've over-simplified?

The Saudis are friendly to the US in the same way that a businessman is friendly to a good customer. They don't give a shit about us. In fact, they secretly hate us. But as long as they can profit from us, they will grin and nod and weasel up to us like the middle east equivalent of Eddie Haskell. Then, should that relationship ever change, they'll fuck us at their earliest convenience. *nod*

You...you couldn't insert just a little humor into this post? :(

You...you couldn't insert just a little humor into this post? :(

I thought the Eddie Haskell reference....

Ah, well. *pelts you with marshmallows*

Will this fucking at least be gentle and sweet? As in will there be cuddling afterwards?

Did you ever see 'Deliverance'?

the US has been supplying the Saudis with arms for decades, there's nothing new here.

And why are they doing this?

The Bush family has long been in bed with the Saudis. See Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, and see the history of the President's family with those barbaric, fascist, anti-American, anti-West, anti-democracy, anti-women anti-science, anti-progress country.

There you see the connection between the President himself and between his family and the Saudis, including the Bin Laden family.

Now, what was the question again?

Did you ever see 'Deliverance'?

:(

This is nothing interesting, the US has been selling arms to Saudi Arabia for 40-50 years, and have had no problems.

Reason: "Bush" instead of "Bus"

Good thing you warned me, I was thinking of a family of buses, y'know, reproducing and so on. :p

Now seriously: QFT.

The US has been doing this since the 1950's...Selling weapons to Dictatorships.

Yes, we sell to some democracies too. but..
I bet most of the weapons sales -money- comes from Dictatorships.

Uh, UB, we've kinda been giving massive amounts of weapons to the Saudis since, well, World War Two.

Further, our contribution in weapons to the Iraqi military was minimal, throughout the entire reign of Saddam Hussein. We provided intelligence and information, mainly. The French, Russians, Chinese and Brazilians all outpaced us in providing weapons, though.

Selling weapons to Dictatorships.

Yes, we sell to some democracies too. but..
I bet most of the weapons sales -money- comes from Dictatorships.

Actually, the US has a history of having something resembling scruples in arms sales, unlike the Russians.

We also tend to sell extremely high value things to certain friendly countries, like Guided Missile Destroyers and Frigates to Taiwan.

The Bush family has long been in bed with the Saudis. See Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, and see the history of the President's family with those barbaric, fascist, anti-American, anti-West, anti-democracy, anti-women anti-science, anti-progress country.

There you see the connection between the President himself and between his family and the Saudis, including the Bin Laden family.

Now, what was the question again?

This has nothing to do with the Bush family, and everything to do with the continuation of long-term American foreign policy.

Actually, I found quite the list (http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/notif_db.php?regionin=%&ctryin=%&descin=&date1in=1992&date2in=2006&typein=%).

From scrolling through, Canada, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Australia and Saudi seem to be the big recipients.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20003692/

They are doing it because Iran is a terrorist state that goes around killing civilians.
Iranian adventurism is doing what years of diplomacy couldn't: uniting Arabs and Israelis against a common and both are asking the US for weapons and help to deter an Iranian invasion of the region.
Iran still insists the whole middle east is part of its territory.

Say you're on the playground and there's this kid who picks on everyone? Suppose he's sly about it, and uses dirty tricks like "terrorists" do his dirty work? What do you do? Suppose you can't fight him yourself? Answer: You go to someone bigger than him to put him in his place. In this case the bully is Iran and the person you turn to is the United States. That is precisely what Israel and the majority of the Arab world are doing.
Iran is the biggest thug in the whole middle east and possible the world.

And why are they doing this?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/bush_kissing.jpg

http://willblogforfood.typepad.com/will_blog_for_food/images/bush1.jpg

Exchange for hot, sloppy, polyp-inducing sex.

I was actually looking on wiki at the Saudi military, equipment etc, and they are quite a force indeed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20003692/

They are doing it because Iran is a terrorist state that goes around killing civilians.
Iranian adventurism is doing what years of diplomacy couldn't: uniting Arabs and Israelis against a common and both are asking the US for weapons and help to deter an Iranian invasion of the region.
Iran still insists the whole middle east is part of its territory.


wtf are you talking about man? The only country Iran has ever invaded is Iraq, and I think I am in the right saying they started it.

Arabs and Israelis united? You must be clinically insane, but yet again your low post count and user name indicate probably a MTAE or USMC.

The Bush family has long been in bed with the Saudis. See Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, and see the history of the President's family with those barbaric, fascist, anti-American, anti-West, anti-democracy, anti-women anti-science, anti-progress country.

Or you can check history yourself and realize that arms sales have been going on longer than Bush being in office.

There you see the connection between the President himself and between his family and the Saudis, including the Bin Laden family.

Irrelevent.

Now, what was the question again?

Why are selling weapons to Saudi Arabia?

I was actually looking on wiki at the Saudi military, equipment etc, and they are quite a force indeed.

care to provide a link?

wtf are you talking about man? The only country Iran has ever invaded is Iraq, and I think I am in the right saying they started it.

Arabs and Israelis united? You must be clinically insane, but yet again your low post count and user name indicate probably a MTAE or USMC.

Actually, the rest of the Middle East does not want Iran to take over the Middle East nor does Israel. What he said is actually correct but they are not united together.

wtf are you talking about man? The only country Iran has ever invaded is Iraq, and I think I am in the right saying they started it.


It has a lot to do with the risks involved in Iran striking out. Doing so would be phenomenally unwise historically, as the forces arrayed against them are far stronger than they've been at any point in time. One must also not forget to mention their inability to project power anywhere but within their region, and the levels of success they have had through the use of covert forces and guerrilla organizations (such as Hiz'bo'allah).

Official: $20 billion arms sale to Saudis in the works (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/28/saudi.arms/index.html)

The US are doing it again: give weapons to a country in the Middle East region. And in 10 to 20 years, will it blow up in their faces as Iraq (and Iran and Afghanistan earlier) did?

20 years from now, there won't be any oil left in the region.

All they'll have is sand, and a lot of fancy toys to kill each other with.

Why would we still be interested in the region?

Think of it as a neat way to get back all that money they made selling oil to us.

You know? This story is only partially true. Other Gulf States are involved in this arms deal too.

You know? This story is only partially true. Other Gulf States are involved in this arms deal too.

We need to sell them weapons to get back the money we spent on their oil.

That way, when the oil runs out, we still have the money, have used the oil, and they have a pile of weapons to kill each other with.

20 years from now, there won't be any oil left in the region.

All they'll have is sand, and a lot of fancy toys to kill each other with.

Why would we still be interested in the region?

Think of it as a neat way to get back all that money they made selling oil to us.

That took my thoughts exactly. When oil is gone, the Arabs will go right back to what they did before oil was discovered there...chopping each other's heads off in the desert. But this time, instead of scimitars they'll have Big bombs and machine guns to do it with.

That took my thoughts exactly. When oil is gone, the Arabs will go right back to what they did before oil was discovered there...chopping each other's heads off in the desert. But this time, instead of scimitars they'll have Big bombs and machine guns to do it with.

Be careful. The_pantless_hero and Gravlen say that nothing I post has any credibility whatsoever.

You've just put your forum credibility in the toilet.

Be careful. The_pantless_hero and Gravlen say that nothing I post has any credibility whatsoever.

You've just put your forum credibility in the toilet.

Indeed.

Indeed.

*snickers*

As opposed to you AP? RO has more credibility than you do.

Indeed.

And what does that matter here on NS?