NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, they do offer coverage...

As well as the micro bikini and teardrop bikini, both of which offer more coverage, the girls wear string bikinis that offer only adequate coverage

women going to real crowded beaches wearing the bare minimum of coverage

These women have started a trend

http://allourpaths.blogspot.com/

If it is a way to skirt the puritan style modestly laws the united states seems to harbor I am all for it

may as well be naked

may as well be naked

Not really - the most important part is covered

a. Politics Blow.
b. Seen it already elsewhere, before this guy. Sorry!
c. There are times I'm grateful for "Purtian" thinking. Not everyone needs to let it hang, if you catch my drift.

b. where? and c. it's not hanging, the most important bit is covered

a. Politics Blow.
b. Seen it already elsewhere, before this guy. Sorry!
c. There are times I'm grateful for "Purtian" thinking. Not everyone needs to let it hang, if you catch my drift.

a. Politics Blow.
b. Seen it already elsewhere, before this guy. Sorry!
c. There are times I'm grateful for "Purtian" thinking. Not everyone needs to let it hang, if you catch my drift.

Absolutely ... but distasteful things should not be made illegal just for the fact that they are distasteful sometimes

a) That looks uncomfortable.

b) I agree with Druidville - there are lots of people I don't even want to see in regular bathing suits, even more I don't want to see in a bikini, and a vast majority of women I don't want to see covering just their nipples and "vaginal crack" - and yes, I usually go for women.

c) Just why exactly is this that big a deal? Women go to the beach extremely scantily clad - so?

That's just....weird:eek:
not to mention scary....:eek:

a) That looks uncomfortable.

I winced and I'm vaginaless.

b) I agree with Druidville - there are lots of people I don't even want to see in regular bathing suits, even more I don't want to see in a bikini, and a vast majority of women I don't want to see covering just their nipples and "vaginal crack" - and yes, I usually go for women.

Talking about people you do not want to see naked, I was at a municipal swimming pool today and was just in the sauna, minding my own business as one does in a hot room full of people who share your nudity, when this older (50ish) gentleman asks me my name because he thinks he knows me. I'm like, "It's OK to hit on me, but please spare me the pick-up line"... boy was my face red when he turns out to be the father of this girl my sister knew. Quite the hairy back. I was mortified.

So, umm... yeah, some people should just not act on their naked urges.

c) Just why exactly is this that big a deal? Women go to the beach extremely scantily clad - so?

Scantily clad? More like completely naked... but this is Scandinavia, so I'm always befuddled at these nakedness issues other cultures have.

Yeah it just looks uncomfortable. I like the micro bikinis more but nudity is a better choice by far.

Not really - the most important part is covered
which can be done just as effectively with Postage stamps/band aids and masking tape. :D

Yeah it just looks uncomfortable. I like the micro bikinis more but nudity is a better choice by far.

depends tho. naked Girls... yeah. :D

Naked Me... O HELL NO! :eek:

I winced and I'm vaginaless.
Or so you say. But we appreciate your compassion - I'll allow myself to reciprocate by saying that I winced when GN talked about chopping off dicks in the bathroom thread, too.

Talking about people you do not want to see naked, I was at a municipal swimming pool today and was just in the sauna, minding my own business as one does in a hot room full of people who share your nudity, when this older (50ish) gentleman asks me my name because he thinks he knows me. I'm like, "It's OK to hit on me, but please spare me the pick-up line"... boy was my face red when he turns out to be the father of this girl my sister knew. Quite the hairy back. I was mortified.

I don't really want to delve into details, but I find this doesn't hold the candle to a talk with your mother about your, umm, choice of appearance as far as your nether regions are concerned (and her (dis)approval of it) after she saw you step out of the shower, yes?

Scantily clad? More like completely naked... but this is Scandinavia, so I'm always befuddled at these nakedness issues other cultures have.

Substitute Scandinavia with Germany, but yeah.

I gotta agree with Junii.

depends tho. naked Girls... yeah. :D

Naked Me... O HELL NO! :eek:

I like being nude outdoors. It feels so free. I also enjoy lookign at men as wella s women so still no problems here. When it coems to people I'd rather not stare at naked I just don't stare at them :p

Or so you say.

Just 'cause I get screwed, don't mean I have slot A. Just slot B.

But we appreciate your compassion - I'll allow myself to reciprocate by saying that I winced when GN talked about chopping off dicks in the bathroom thread, too.

But, but... the lesbian agendum!

I don't really want to delve into details, but I find this doesn't hold the candle to a talk with your mother about your, umm, choice of appearance as far as your nether regions are concerned (and her (dis)approval of it) after she sa you step out of the shower, yes?

Pfft, I had the same talk with my father. But reversed. And demonstrated. Although I did not disapprove. It looked better.

Substitute Scandinavia with Germany, but yeah.

Brüdervolk, jajamensan!

Not really - the most important part is covered
what important part? is there one part that is more important than all others?

http://www.wholesomewear.com/graphics/slimmer-c.gif

:D I have one of these, very nice.

what important part? is there one part that is more important than all others?
http://www.wholesomewear.com/graphics/slimmer-c.gif
:D I have one of these, very nice.

It's not only hideous and oh, so sad in the 20th century - it's matronly and completely unflattering as well.

what important part? is there one part that is more important than all others?


Uhhh, yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh :rolleyes:

(y) :p

But, but... the lesbian agendum!

Yaeh, that's the third illoyalty lawsuit They file against me this week - I guess I'm past caring.

Pfft, I had the same talk with my father. But reversed. And demonstrated. Although I did not disapprove. It looked better.

Well, let's just say that my mother considers even such innocent acts as shaving your armpits or even -gasp- your legs is a crime against the natural intactness of the body, which, umm, doesn't exactly invoke approvement or even a further interest in detail from me in that area, if you catch my drift.

keeps me from sunburning so bad.

Also, it's really comfy, like flannel jammys

And here I thought you were kidding!

It's possible to swim in that without drowning?

In HS I used to go to the beach in speedos to freak out friends.

It's not only hideous and oh, so sad in the 20th century - it's matronly and completely unflattering as well.

keeps me from sunburning so bad.

Also, it's really comfy, like flannel jammys

*snip*
So, umm... yeah, some people should just not act on their naked urges.

ComPLETely agreed. Hyikes!

Scantily clad? More like completely naked... but this is Scandinavia, so I'm always befuddled at these nakedness issues other cultures have.

The weather in Scandinavia doesn't lend itself to outdoor nudity for any more than a couple of months. It stands to reason that they'd want to get out from under multiple layers of clothing.

Nakedness issues, especially in the US, suffer from the same schizophrenia that everything about sex in the US suffers from: Puritanism vs. Capitalism (or "IT'S DIRTEEEE!" vs. "it sells"). I don't like it, but there's very little I can do about it...short of getting myself arrested for indecent exposure (and some related defense-of-aesthetics charges...).

Yaeh, that's the third illoyalty lawsuit They file against me this week - I guess I'm past caring.



Well, let's just say that my mother considers even such innocent acts as shaving your armpits or even -gasp- your legs is a crime against the natural intactness of the body, which, umm, doesn't exactly invoke approvement or even a further interest in detail from me in that area, if you catch my drift.

Is she one of those people who think rubbing a crystal under your arm stops hippie B.O.? I know the type. You have my sympathy.

Yaeh, that's the third illoyalty lawsuit They file against me this week - I guess I'm past caring.

No, you're just not from the USA, so lawsuits don't really materialise into anything.

Well, let's just say that my mother considers even such innocent acts as shaving your armpits or even -gasp- your legs is a crime against the natural intactness of the body, which, umm, doesn't exactly invoke approvement or even a further interest in detail from me in that area, if you catch my drift.

Mothers are weird creatures. Fathers are much more sensible, and give better advice. "Porrpung" (lit. "porn scrotum") would have evaded me for who knows how long had he not tipped me off on it. So you should tell your mother that it's not just for young people and that hairy women are so a crime against hygiene.

The weather in Scandinavia doesn't lend itself to outdoor nudity for any more than a couple of months. It stands to reason that they'd want to get out from under multiple layers of clothing.

Uhm, I guess you've never of our ice bathing. You sauna, then you roll around naked in the snow and if there is a hole in the ice sheet on the lake, you jump in the water, swim, then sauna some more. So, don't think we let something small like the weather stop us.

I should get something like that. My bathing suit shows too much of my legs. It stops like a few inches above the knees, and it shows shoulders too, but I couldn't find anything that covered more. :( So it's a good thing I won't have to wear it anywhere public. Just when I go to my cousin's house in Michigan.

why should anyone be scared of showing knees or shoulders?

what important part? is there one part that is more important than all others?

http://www.wholesomewear.com/graphics/slimmer-c.gif

:D I have one of these, very nice.

I should get something like that. My bathing suit shows too much of my legs. It stops like a few inches above the knees, and it shows shoulders too, but I couldn't find anything that covered more. :( So it's a good thing I won't have to wear it anywhere public. Just when I go to my cousin's house in Michigan.

Is she one of those people who think rubbing a crystal under your arm stops hippie B.O.? I know the type. You have my sympathy.

No, she actually uses non-crystal-stick deodorant (though I know that type, too), albeit the non-perfumed kind.. nah, she's clean and all that alright, she's just very strict about what constitutes violating your body for some reason.

Mothers are weird creatures. Fathers are much more sensible, and give better advice. "Porrpung" (lit. "porn scrotum") would have evaded me for who knows how long had he not tipped me off on it. My father is much weirder - at least my mum knows what she's got and makes an active decision for it to stay "the natural way", while my father and I had to have that embarassing discussion sprung up from nowhere about whether men had hair on the balls (he feverishly denied it until my mum dragged him into the bathroom and proved him wrong).
So you should tell your mother that it's not just for young people and that hairy women are so a crime against hygiene.
Oh, she'll just launch into the "the partner who doesn't love you in your natural state doesn't love you at all" speech, and the one about "capitalizt consumerist oppression of the natural body image of women" and all that jazz.

Uhm, I guess you've never of our ice bathing. You sauna, then you roll around naked in the snow and if there is a hole in the ice sheet on the lake, you jump in the water, swim, then sauna some more. So, don't think we let something small like the weather stop us.

Oh, I've heard of it. I remember seeing it for the first time (oddly enough) on one of the landmark National Geographic PBS documentaries on the human circulatory system right when all the discoveries about heart disease were being made. I remember the men (I think they were Finns) steaming up and sweating in the sauna, and then dashing out into an icy lake (or possibly a fjord). They were being shown because as a segment of the world population, Scandinavians tend to have much less heart disease. The scene was showing that even older men have very strong arteries to deal with the shock of the temperature change between the two environments.

That they do it nude as well shouldn't have surprised me. Good on ya.

And here I thought you were kidding!

It's possible to swim in that without drowning?
it's very possible, I can swim in it just as well as I did in my tankini only now I am more comfortable and I don't burn so much. I am not really like swimming in triathlons or swim team or anything though, just doing laps or playing in the pool with the kids.

I should get something like that. My bathing suit shows too much of my legs. It stops like a few inches above the knees, and it shows shoulders too, but I couldn't find anything that covered more. :( So it's a good thing I won't have to wear it anywhere public. Just when I go to my cousin's house in Michigan.

They have all kinds of them, some of them are not so "mommly" but I like mine, it's black and pink, it's pretty. You are younger though, this one is nice.

http://www.modest-swimwear.net/Nanna%20on%20Ladder%20circle.jpg

They have all kinds of them, some of them are not so "mommly" but I like mine, it's black and pink, it's pretty.

Oh, that sounds cool. :) Maybe I should try to get something like that, but I don't think I'll have time before I go there.

Doesn't leave much to the imagination and promotes shaving.

you can comfortably wear the string bikini on a crowded beach.

Wow, wearing it comfortably and comfortable at being stared at is two different things, took a lot of self esteem to wear that.

Wow, wearing it comfortably and comfortable at being stared at is two different things, took a lot of self esteem to wear that.
I would think a girl with high self esteem wouldn't need to be (or feel the need to be) nearly naked to garner attention.

Wow, wearing it comfortably and comfortable at being stared at is two different things,..

That's right, I wouldn't care the slightest to be stared at, but I'd imagine I'd still have a hard time wearing it comfortably (I'm proud to report full sensory capacity in my nether regions, you know).

My father is much weirder - at least my mum knows what she's got and makes an active decision for it to stay "the natural way", while my father and I had to have that embarassing discussion sprung up from nowhere about whether men had hair on the balls (he feverishly denied it until my mum dragged him into the bathroom and proved him wrong).

He'd never seen his own balls? What?

Oh, she'll just launch into the "the partner who doesn't love you in your natural state doesn't love you at all" speech, and the one about "capitalizt consumerist oppression of the natural body image of women" and all that jazz.

Mix Veet into her body lotion. That'll learn her.

--snip--

That they do it nude as well shouldn't have surprised me. Good on ya.

As well? More like "the way it should be done". I guess the people you saw were made to cover up so it could air wherever you live.

He'd never seen his own balls? What?
I've declined to further investigate that time, and I honestly don't know. It appears so..?

Mix Veet into her body lotion. That'll learn her.

That'll learn her.. what? To not trust any conventional bathroom products united in teh evil conspiracy against a woman's natural beauty anymore, not even a plain lotion, and turn completely to some herb-and-oil based something the next random neighborhood witch mixed up?

I think I'll pass on that tempting offer.

I would think a girl with high self esteem wouldn't need to be (or feel the need to be) nearly naked to garner attention.

I stand corrected. And this is after remembering some Girls Gone Wild videos.

a. Politics Blow.
b. Seen it already elsewhere, before this guy. Sorry!
c. There are times I'm grateful for "Purtian" thinking. Not everyone needs to let it hang, if you catch my drift.

Spent a summer working in an ice cream shop on Pere Marquette beach. Saw way, way, way too many hairy ass cheeks that summer. There should be some kind of fitness requirement for men to wear speedos, I swear to god... Maybe station a three person jury outside fitting rooms? "No, sorry, too much of your hairy ass is showing in those things. Try again." or "Excuse me, I hope you don't think you're going outside in that thing? Unless you like having your bosoms fall out all over Creation."

I stand corrected. And this is after remembering some Girls Gone Wild videos.

I don't think those girls have any self esteem at all. :(

As well? More like "the way it should be done". I guess the people you saw were made to cover up so it could air wherever you live.

The US, so yeah.

It looks invigorating to me. They come out of the lake with their skin a bright red.

I would think a girl with high self esteem wouldn't need to be (or feel the need to be) nearly naked to garner attention.

qft. I am so tired of this attitude among women that wearing next to nothing is somehow sexy. There's something to be said for leaving things to the imagination...

I've declined to further investigate that time, and I honestly don't know. It appears so..?

And here I was thinking you were all about poopoo-ing on familial "decorum". How can you not ask? How can you not rub his face into pics of the area? You squandered a golden opportunity.

That'll learn her.. what? To not trust any conventional bathroom products united in teh evil conspiracy against a woman's natural beauty anymore, not even a plain lotion, and turn completely to some herb-and-oil based something the next random neighborhood witch mixed up?

I think I'll pass on that tempting offer.

No, silly. She'll give you a hug for showing her what the skin on her legs looks like.

I don't think those girls have any self esteem at all. :(

It's a thin line. GGW is definitely no-self-esteem central (as witnessed by the brilliant parody on Arrested Development, rest it's well-written and excellently-acted soul). And those string suits certainly appear to have that "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!" aspect to them. But there is something to be said for the confidence to put one on and walk out in public, regardless of whether or not you think it's prurient (or whatever sinister motivation some would concoct).

Seems to me that if I ever got into the shape it would take to look good in a Speedo, I'd be very proud and feel good about showing it off...while enjoying the frozen lakes in hell....

qft. I am so tired of this attitude among women that wearing next to nothing is somehow sexy. There's something to be said for leaving things to the imagination...

I dress modestly (for the most part) and most of my husband's friends think I am hot, in fact most of the guys on the forum think I have some form of hotness and half of them have never seen me.

I dress modestly (for the most part) and most of my husband's friends think I am hot, in fact most of the guys on the forum think I have some form of hotness and half of them have never seen me.
"Hotness" is about more then looks it is about personality as well

And I do not mind seeing more of either of them :p

It's a thin line. GGW is definitely no-self-esteem central (as witnessed by the brilliant parody on Arrested Development, rest it's well-written and excellently-acted soul). And those string suits certainly appear to have that "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!" aspect to them. But there is something to be said for the confidence to put one on and walk out in public, regardless of whether or not you think it's prurient (or whatever sinister motivation some would concoct).

Seems to me that if I ever got into the shape it would take to look good in a Speedo, I'd be very proud and feel good about showing it off...while enjoying the frozen lakes in hell....

there is a difference between being confident and being an exhibitionist.

It looks invigorating to me. They come out of the lake with their skin a bright red.

It's cathartic, and your skin sort of... buzzes and tingles when you get in the sauna again. Add to that hot mulled wine (or any liquor you like, really) and just a cosy atmosphere of sitting there with a bunch of your mates and it becomes quite easy to wonder how people in other countries can live without such things to brighten their days.

I dress modestly (for the most part) and most of my husband's friends think I am hot, in fact most of the guys on the forum think I have some form of hotness and half of them have never seen me.

I dress in a way that's comfortable for me,which happens to be modest as well. I have a few v-neck shirts, and of course, my Italian Ren dress, which requires Cleavage Sunscreen, lest my boobs get fried. Bot even with the cleavage, that dress covers more even than most of my modern outfits. Though I tend to be a proponent of the 'got it flaunt it' school of fashion thought, there are ways of flaunting what you've got without flaunting everything a la Britney Spears.

I dress modestly (for the most part) and most of my husband's friends think I am hot, in fact most of the guys on the forum think I have some form of hotness and half of them have never seen me.

Allure is mostly intellectual/personality...uh..-al...for some people. Your refreshing presentation of decency without unnecessary harangues on those you agree with make you attractive sight unseen to many people here.

Which is another thing with revealing so much (besides having floss massage your labia with every step): Having seen it all, what's left? If there's nothing going on upstairs, the show becomes kinda hollow.

there is a difference between being confident and being an exhibitionist.

Thank you for summarizing.

I don't think those girls have any self esteem at all. :(

I agree on that, ... most of them don't, but then again I don't know how the minds of others work ,so there might be some that has other motives to why they acted that way.

"Hotness" is about more then looks it is about personality as well

And I do not mind seeing more of either of them :p

True. Some of the hottest people I know aren't even close to what would be considered physically attractive by most, but they're so wonderful inside that you kinda forget about the exterior.

Allure is mostly intellectual/personality...uh..-al...for some people. Your refreshing presentation of decency without unnecessary harangues on those you agree with make you attractive sight unseen to many people here.

Which is another thing with revealing so much (besides having floss massage your labia with every step): Having seen it all, what's left? If there's nothing going on upstairs, the show becomes kinda hollow.

If there is nothing going on upstairs the show is hollow regardless of modest or immodest dress ...

Personally I think it is less to do with how much you reveal or do not reveal more with the upstairs stuff

I dress modestly (for the most part) and most of my husband's friends think I am hot, in fact most of the guys on the forum think I have some form of hotness and half of them have never seen me.

It's personality. Besides, I gotta agree, wearing next to nothing isn't always sexy. And that thong looks like it hurts.

And here I thought you were kidding!

It's possible to swim in that without drowning?

In HS I used to go to the beach in speedos to freak out friends. yes, it is. for Boy Scouts we had to learn to swim fully clothed. I mean jeans, shoes, socks, sweater, shirt...etc...


oh and for yuks (http://thefuntimesguide.com/2005/08/flipflopsthongs.php)... "Mr Tiny Thong Bikini Wearer!" :p

(more importantly how do you walk in it!?)

I presume very slowly and carefully.

It's personality. Besides, I gotta agree, wearing next to nothing isn't always sexy. And that thong looks like it hurts.

it looked painful to me as well.

how do you swim in that?! (more importantly how do you walk in it!?)

how do you swim in that?! (more importantly how do you walk in it!?)

Silly you, of course you don't swim in that; you only use it to flaunt your body, and not to obscure the latter by any water or anything else.. and neither do you walk, you rather let yourself be carried in the arms of a strong, muscly man who shall be an integral part of your accessoirizing.

Really, you're a novice at this being a sexy beach queen business, no?

I presume very slowly and carefully.

This is a debate forum. we can presume anything, it must be backed up by evidence. I demand a video post showing women wearing that outfit in various stages of motion.

Turning, bending, walking, running, jumping, leaping, sitting, standing, doing the splits, stretching excercises... *wipes up drool* swimming (yes, I know it's not made for swimware...) playing volleyball, tossing a frisbee, changing into and out of that outfit, surfing...

and we need multiple angles, in slow motion capture...

anyone wants to go and get this... evidence...




Please?... :D

Silly you, of course you don't swim in that; you only use it to flaunt your body, and not to obscure the latter by any water or anything else.. and neither do you walk, you rather let yourself be carried in the arms of a strong, muscly man who shall be an integral part of your accessoirizing.

Really, you're a novice at this being a sexy beach queen business, no?

I.........err.......haven't ever been to the beach. :( never seen the ocean either. (well, I have seen pictures and movies but not IRL)

Is it me, or does it look LESS distasteful for the ladies to simply be completely naked than wearing that horrible bit of dental floss?

Also Chandelier, if you want to go for a more covered look, try the Land's End or LL Bean tankinis with shorts bottoms or skirts bottoms.

Is it me, or does it look LESS distasteful for the ladies to simply be completely naked than wearing that horrible bit of dental floss?
I would have less of a problem if they were naked. Naked=natural whereas strings inbetween labia= some sort of psychosis

Also Chandelier, if you want to go for a more covered look, try the Land's End or LL Bean tankinis with shorts bottoms or skirts bottoms.

My current bathing suit has a shorts bottom, but it still feels too short for me.

I don't see what the big problem is, honestly.

I think it's nice, as such suits show who's a shallow, air-headed putz and who isn't. Though of course, not all of the women who wear such things are shallow and stupid --- the ones who aren't, well, I congratulate them for having such a high level of confidence.

The way I see it, going completely nude wouldn't take quite as much confidence, as you don't exactly have a string actually rubbing back and forth in your genitals for everyone to see.

I should get something like that. My bathing suit shows too much of my legs. It stops like a few inches above the knees, and it shows shoulders too, but I couldn't find anything that covered more. :( So it's a good thing I won't have to wear it anywhere public. Just when I go to my cousin's house in Michigan.

Here ya go: http://www.ahiida.com/index.php?a=subcats&cat=20

I.........err.......haven't ever been to the beach. :( never seen the ocean either. (well, I have seen pictures and movies but not IRL)
Awwww, Smunkee!

If I had the money I'd fly you, hubby and the sprogs over to enjoy the delights of the North Sea - Bloody Cold But Fun!™

I was born and bred next to the sea, and couldn't imagine being away from it for too long. That smell in your nostrils, the spray whipping your face as you rip over the waves..... bliss.

And talk about the power of nature!

I am having some very sinful thoughts right now...

WEDGIE!

I just have to say...


this modest swimwear thing has gone too far as of the last post... that's not swimwear, that's suffocating your body!!

I just have to say...


this modest swimwear thing has gone too far as of the last post... that's not swimwear, that's suffocating your body!!

why? shouldn't people wear what they want to?

why? shouldn't people wear what they want to?

Because being afraid of yourself is psychologically unhealthy. Not that you can't be if you want to.

That is an ugly ass bikini .. and... Yuck.

Because being afraid of yourself is psychologically unhealthy. Not that you can't be if you want to.

I'm not afraid of my body. I just except the fact that I make Pasty hued nerds look down right Tan.

I tell people I'm Okinawan, their first reply is "nah, you're too white."

too white to be japanese... :p

I find both nudity and the one-piece bathing suit far more attractive than the bathing suits pictured. Those, I think, are best described as "unsettling."

GAH! I just read the blog and found out that this bikini fad thing is from a paysite... (I think it's a bikini fetish site or something).

Trend or publicity stunt? I'm waiting for two more "happenings" to say that it's a trend.

From pics I've seen of Brazilian women in bikinis...these things are not really all that shocking.

And ... que viva Brasil...

there is a difference between being confident and being an exhibitionist.

And neither are inherently bad.

And neither are inherently bad.

Certainly not. It's all in the presentation/intent of the person being either an exhibitionist or self-confident.

I have no problem with people wearing small bikinis, I have frequently gone topless on busy public beaches, and at busy public swimming pools, I usually wear a thong style bottom when I do this, but that bizarro thing that girl is wearing just looks horrid, if she wants to get her crack out, then why not just go to a nudist beach, frankly what she has on just looks unflattering and uncomfortable, and what with the pervy old fat bloke slobbering all over her?
The other thing that people who are not used to the topless/nudist beach thing need to keep in mind is that the majority of people on most nudist beaches are not young fit women, but old fat men with shriveled willies and dreadful paunchy stomachs.

:(

I.........err.......haven't ever been to the beach. :( never seen the ocean either. (well, I have seen pictures and movies but not IRL)

NEVER BEEN TO THE BEACH? :eek: Oh my god.........


oh my god.......


*falls over

These ienie mini string bikinis just look stupid. Just wear nothing then.
You'd get a better look, and better coverage, using pieces of sticky tape.

Those are, quite simply, hideous.

I.........err.......haven't ever been to the beach. :( never seen the ocean either. (well, I have seen pictures and movies but not IRL)

I'm so sorry for you; I simply love watersides, especially the open sea. I hope you'll gte to see one soon.. I'm slowly soul-shrivelling here where I live now because for the first time in my life, I'm parted from a waterside by more than an hour's car-/trainride :[

Those are, quite simply, hideous.

Yep. Like Cartisbrooke said, very unflattering and probably uncomfortable, to boot.

Women wearing impractical, uncomfortable garments in order to maximize the titillation and inherent pornosity of the female form?

Gee whiz. How revolutionary.

Oh, and for anybody dense enough to think that this sort of thing is a rebellion against the Puritanism of the USA, think again. Burqua or bikini, it's still all about defining the female body in terms of the all-powerful male gaze. In other words, it's all the same old same-old.

The other thing that people who are not used to the topless/nudist beach thing need to keep in mind is that the majority of people on most nudist beaches are not young fit women, but old fat men with shriveled willies and dreadful paunchy stomachs.

:(
Who cares?

Seriously, whence cometh this bizarre notion that the nude human body must always be about HAWTNESS and SEX?

Normal humans do not look like the pictures in your mattress-stashed magazines. Normal humans age. Normal humans have body hair. Normal humans have wrinkles or flab or oddly-shaped moles.

So what?

Naked does not always have to equal sex.

Yes, there are unattractive people in the world. So? Why should seeing their bare bum be any more objectionable than seeing their bared arm? It's just a body part.

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I think that was somewhat misdirected. In fact, I think she was making a point much more similar to your own than against it.

The frowning face is what lead me to that response. I don't know why it's supposed to be sad that not everybody looks airbrushed 24/7.

Well, knowing Carisbrooke it was probably half intended as a comment on their appearance, but I think the main point was that people should just be able to be topless if they want to, because the human body isn't always a sexual thing.

I think that was somewhat misdirected. In fact, I think she was making a point much more similar to your own than against it.
The frowning face is what lead me to that response. I don't know why it's supposed to be sad that not everybody looks airbrushed 24/7.

But the post was intended to be more generally aimed. I selected that one post to quote as an example, but I certainly didn't intend it to come off as a direct personal attack on that poster. If it did, I'm sorry!

I.........err.......haven't ever been to the beach. :( never seen the ocean either. (well, I have seen pictures and movies but not IRL)

I have an idea.

Well, knowing Carisbrooke it was probably half intended as a comment on their appearance, but I think the main point was that people should just be able to be topless if they want to, because the human body isn't always a sexual thing.
Fair enough.

Frankly, I find the OP bikini more "puritan" than your standard swim suit, because those wispy little strings serve no purpose other than to "cover" (read: highlight) supposedly sexual areas of the body.

Now, my swim suit (a pretty standard number) actually has functional value. Any woman with C-cups will tell you that running on the beach is significantly less comfortable if you lack support for The Twins, and a good swim suit will provide said support while also being comfortable and allowing you full range of motion.

Fair enough.

Frankly, I find the OP bikini more "puritan" than your standard swim suit, because those wispy little strings serve no purpose other than to "cover" (read: highlight) supposedly sexual areas of the body.

Now, my swim suit (a pretty standard number) actually has functional value. Any woman with C-cups will tell you that running on the beach is significantly less comfortable if you lack support for The Twins, and a good swim suit will provide said support while also being comfortable and allowing you full range of motion.

I don't think the bikini highlighted is anything to do with comfort or rebelling against puritan values. It's just a porn site for people who find that sort of thing a turn on.

I don't think the bikini highlighted is anything to do with comfort or rebelling against puritan values. It's just a porn site for people who find that sort of thing a turn on.

I don't think the makers of the suit intend it as any sort of rebellion, either. I just think there's a popular tendency these days for people to insist that anything overly-sexual MUST be edgy. It's like how all TV shows that want to get reviewers to call them "edgy" will find a way to have an entire episode take place at a strip club.

I don't think the bikini highlighted is anything to do with comfort or rebelling against puritan values. It's just a porn site for people who find that sort of thing a turn on.

Either that or an orthapedic aid for women whose condition stops them getting their legs too close together when they sit down or bend over....

Who cares?

Seriously, whence cometh this bizarre notion that the nude human body must always be about HAWTNESS and SEX?

Normal humans do not look like the pictures in your mattress-stashed magazines. Normal humans age. Normal humans have body hair. Normal humans have wrinkles or flab or oddly-shaped moles.

So what?

Naked does not always have to equal sex.

Yes, there are unattractive people in the world. So? Why should seeing their bare bum be any more objectionable than seeing their bared arm? It's just a body part.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

I love you Bottle.

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Might be a bit too much. I don't know. Something more like what Smunkee posted would be fine.

Because being afraid of yourself is psychologically unhealthy. Not that you can't be if you want to.

So anyone who's not afraid of themselves should be okay with letting everyone else see their body? Why should I have to let people see parts of me that I'd rather they didn't see just because it's harder to find a modest bathing suit?

So anyone who's not afraid of themselves should be okay with letting everyone else see their body? Why should I have to let people see parts of me that I'd rather they didn't see just because it's harder to find a modest bathing suit?
Chandy, again, don't let them bully you. Your body belongs to you and nobody else. If you don't want to dress like a tart and run around half naked, it's your choice, no matter what they say. If you are comfortable with your clothing and it's not illegal, than it's nobody's business what you wear. You have to be the sole decision maker in what you wear because it's your responsibility to do that.

Chandy, again, don't let them bully you. Your body belongs to you and nobody else. If you don't want to dress like a tart and run around half naked, it's your choice, no matter what they say. If you are comfortable with your clothing and it's not illegal, than it's nobody's business what you wear. You have to be the sole decision maker in what you wear because it's your responsibility to do that.
Oy, I hate topics like this one, because I always end up having to disagree while agreeing with people.

Smunk, your over-all message is great, but what's with the BS about "dressing like a tart"? Haven't we all learned yet?

1) Being a "tart" isn't a bad thing. "Tart" is one of the words used to shame women for daring to be female in public, as if they had the right or something.

2) Women are going to be accused of being/dressing like "tarts" no matter what they are wearing or doing. I promise, if you are an uppity woman who dares to show a hint of ankle, somebody out there is going to call you a slut for it.

3) It's stupid to think you can judge somebody's sexual nature based on what they're wearing. Lots of women like to wear attention-getting clothing even though they have no interest in fucking anybody. Lots of women who love to fuck (*raises hand*) are quite uncomfortable with attention, and don't "dress like tarts" even though they are tarts.

Too long, didn't read version: There's no such thing as "dressing like a tart," and even if there were it wouldn't be a bad thing.

Women wearing impractical, uncomfortable garments in order to maximize the titillation and inherent pornosity of the female form?

Gee whiz. How revolutionary.

Oh, and for anybody dense enough to think that this sort of thing is a rebellion against the Puritanism of the USA, think again. Burqua or bikini, it's still all about defining the female body in terms of the all-powerful male gaze. In other words, it's all the same old same-old.

It can still be rebelling from some social mores while embracing others more tightly

Oy, I hate topics like this one, because I always end up having to disagree while agreeing with people.

Smunk, your over-all message is great, but what's with the BS about "dressing like a tart"? Haven't we all learned yet?

1) Being a "tart" isn't a bad thing. "Tart" is one of the words used to shame women for daring to be female in public, as if they had the right or something.

2) Women are going to be accused of being/dressing like "tarts" no matter what they are wearing or doing. I promise, if you are an uppity woman who dares to show a hint of ankle, somebody out there is going to call you a slut for it.

3) It's stupid to think you can judge somebody's sexual nature based on what they're wearing. Lots of women like to wear attention-getting clothing even though they have no interest in fucking anybody. Lots of women who love to fuck (*raises hand*) are quite uncomfortable with attention, and don't "dress like tarts" even though they are tarts.

Too long, didn't read version: There's no such thing as "dressing like a tart," and even if there were it wouldn't be a bad thing.

well, yeah, that part was mostly a device to see if someone else (not you) would comment on the dressing like a tart part to start a debate about why it's okay for some people to choose what they wear and not for other people.

I know you don't care how someone dresses as long as they are comfortable. I for the most part agree, only I have my own little inner dialog that I am trying to quash. For example when I see people in things like the teenie bikini I automatically go to "low self esteem exhibitionist".

well, yeah, that part was mostly a device to see if someone else (not you) would comment on the dressing like a tart part to start a debate about why it's okay for some people to choose what they wear and not for other people.

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Dammit, you're too clever for me...


I know you don't care how someone dresses as long as they are comfortable. I for the most part agree, only I have my own little inner dialog that I am trying to quash. For example when I see people in things like the teenie bikini I automatically go to "low self esteem exhibitionist".
I wish the English language had better words.

We've got a pile of handy insults to use on women who choose to have sex because they enjoy it.

Yet what I really want is an insult for women (and men) who choose to engage in activities they don't enjoy with people who show them no respect, because they're just so damn desperate to curry favor with the very people who think of them as subhuman scum.

Chandy, again, don't let them bully you. Your body belongs to you and nobody else. If you don't want to dress like a tart and run around half naked, it's your choice, no matter what they say. If you are comfortable with your clothing and it's not illegal, than it's nobody's business what you wear. You have to be the sole decision maker in what you wear because it's your responsibility to do that.

Thanks, Smunkee. :)

And I think that if people didn't see the body as a sexual thing it'd be better because then I wouldn't have to feel like everything needs to be covered or else something bad will happen to me. As it is whenever I have to wear a bathing suit or when I had to wear the dress for swing choir or when I wore a skirt once that went down to my ankles, I felt really vulnerable and like something terrible was about to happen. I also don't like the feeling of air touching my legs. That feels weird.

Oh, and I guess I'll have to shave my legs sometime soon. I don't like doing that, because they look better when they're shaved. :(

Thanks, Smunkee. :)

And I think that if people didn't see the body as a sexual thing it'd be better because then I wouldn't have to feel like everything needs to be covered or else something bad will happen to me. As it is whenever I have to wear a bathing suit or when I had to wear the dress for swing choir or when I wore a skirt once that went down to my ankles, I felt really vulnerable and like something terrible was about to happen. I also don't like the feeling of air touching my legs. That feels weird.

Oh, and I guess I'll have to shave my legs sometime soon. I don't like doing that, because they look better when they're shaved. :(

Why would Looking "better" be something to frown at? I mean I can see not doing it if you are busy or just plain dont feel like it but why the frown?

Why would Looking "better" be something to frown at? I mean I can see not doing it if you are busy or just plain dont feel like it but why the frown?

I don't want to risk looking better. It's fine most of the time because no one sees my legs anyway, so it doesn't really matter if they're shaved or not, but I think they feel a little better shaved. But in a bathing suit people will see my legs. :( And I don't really feel like it either, and I keep forgetting to, but I'll probably have to sometime before I leave.

I'm ugly, so I would feel like a liar if I did something that made me seem attractive.

Why would Looking "better" be something to frown at? I mean I can see not doing it if you are busy or just plain dont feel like it but why the frown?

maybe it's one of those things where other people tell her it looks better but she feels like the process is unappealing so while she wants to "look better" for the people who bother her about it, she doesn't want to go through with the actual shaving of the legs.

For example, I know a lot of people in my personal life who think that my hair looks better a certain style, I don't particularly like it that style but for years I did it because I thought that it "looked better" even though I hated the upkeep. I cut my hair how I like it now, and just about everyone tells me "that's not flattering" but I don't care anymore because I like it this way. Not that my hair has any purpose, nor does it need to be "flattering". In the same way there is no purpose in shaving your legs unless you really want to.
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maybe it's one of those things where other people tell her it looks better but she feels like the process is unappealing so while she wants to "look better" for the people who bother her about it, she doesn't want to go through with the actual shaving of the legs.
I pretty much only shave my legs for the benefit of others. For instance, I shaved in preparation for a recent wedding because I knew I'd be wearing a skirt that would show my legs below the knee. For me to appear in a breezy spring dress with *SHOCK* the natural growth of hair on my lower appendages would be viewed as crude, if not downright insulting. Like showing up with dirty hair or a stained outfit. Because I am extremely fond of the bride, and did not want her to doubt my respect for her and her union, I groomed myself in the approved heteronormative manner.

Lots of women I know do things like this.

NEVER BEEN TO THE BEACH? :eek: Oh my god.........


oh my god.......


*falls over

Never been to a beach or ocean either. Closest to either I've gotten to see was Lake Michigan.

I pretty much only shave my legs for the benefit of others. For instance, I shaved in preparation for a recent wedding because I knew I'd be wearing a skirt that would show my legs below the knee. For me to appear in a breezy spring dress with *SHOCK* the natural growth of hair on my lower appendages would be viewed as crude, if not downright insulting. Like showing up with dirty hair or a stained outfit. Because I am extremely fond of the bride, and did not want her to doubt my respect for her and her union, I groomed myself in the approved heteronormative manner.

Lots of women I know do things like this.

yes. That's what I meant.

I would rather not shave my legs, I don't see a point other than keeping others happy because it's "socially unacceptable" for a girl to have leg fuzz.

I do wax so I don't have to deal with it so often though.

Never been to a beach or ocean either. Closest to either I've gotten to see was Lake Michigan.

I have seen lots of lakes, we have like 300 or something in my state, they all have sandy "beaches" but not so much with the real ocean.

*looks at all the posts about people not being to an ocean.*
... hmmm... is a NS meetup in Hawaii due?

it looked painful to me as well.

how do you swim in that?! (more importantly how do you walk in it!?)

And that could get shit in your...well, you know.

what important part? is there one part that is more important than all others?

http://www.wholesomewear.com/graphics/slimmer-c.gif

:D I have one of these, very nice.
I think that those are quite possibly the most hideous bathing suits ever. How do you swim with that much extra baggage floating around your body?

Jeff Foxworthy on Men wearing Teddies.
"listen... I know it's purdy and all, but I don't think you should wear that while fishing is all I'm saying. I mean it's gonna by 'Cast and tug', 'Cast and tug'..."

I think that those are quite possibly the most hideous bathing suits ever. How do you swim with that much extra baggage floating around your body?
All the air gets up in it and you turn into your own mobile island.

This must be because I'm American but every time I hear 'tart', I get hungry. Mmm pop/fruit/whatever tarts...

All the air gets up in it and you turn into your own mobile island.
Having swam a couple lengths in the pool wearing jeans and a t-shirt (it was a thing for swim class to practice for a life or death sort of situation) I find that somewhat unlikely. More fabric just gets heavier. If it was all skin tight and spandex/lycra then it probably wouldn't... but that thing has unnecessary poof. I think that the burqini looks easier to swim in.

I pretty much only shave my legs for the benefit of others. For instance, I shaved in preparation for a recent wedding because I knew I'd be wearing a skirt that would show my legs below the knee. For me to appear in a breezy spring dress with *SHOCK* the natural growth of hair on my lower appendages would be viewed as crude, if not downright insulting. Like showing up with dirty hair or a stained outfit. Because I am extremely fond of the bride, and did not want her to doubt my respect for her and her union, I groomed myself in the approved heteronormative manner.

Lots of women I know do things like this.
I shave my legs and armpits because I can't stand the look and feel of them when they're not shaved. Like, I'll shave even in the middle of the winter when I'm not seeing anyone.

Same goes with bikini waxing.

To be honest, if I could afford to go to a salon and get my entire body waxed except my pubes (I like not looking like a kid down below) then I would get it done until the hair stopped growing back.

I'm ugly, so I would feel like a liar if I did something that made me seem attractive.
I highly doubt that this is true (the ugly part). I don't know who gave you the impression that you are, but I'm willing to bet that you're beautiful, you just need to be more confident.

And if you think that shaving your legs feels better (or not shaving them), then you should do it (or not) regardless of what other people think.

Am I the only chick who is going admit that I think some of these bikinis are hot?

Full nudity, yum. A tiny little bit of coverage, also very yum. Would I wear it? Well, probably not out in public, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing one of these women in it.

*looks at all the posts about people not being to an ocean.*
... hmmm... is a NS meetup in Hawaii due?


I may be game one of these days. :D

Let's get Smunkee Hawaiian. ;)

Having swam a couple lengths in the pool wearing jeans and a t-shirt (it was a thing for swim class to practice for a life or death sort of situation) I find that somewhat unlikely. More fabric just gets heavier. If it was all skin tight and spandex/lycra then it probably wouldn't... but that thing has unnecessary poof. I think that the burqini looks easier to swim in.

we were taught to blow air into the clothes. (shirt, sweater, jackets) while the majority of air will 'leak' out, alot of air is still trapped inside.

that and how turn long pants into flotation devices. :p

however, it depends on the material used for those suites. if it was made for swimming, I doubt it would be a water absorbing material.

I highly doubt that this is true (the ugly part). I don't know who gave you the impression that you are, but I'm willing to bet that you're beautiful, you just need to be more confident.

Oh god, please don't get her started, or this thread will end up as another 'Oh Chandy, don't be so hard on yourself' 'but I'm so ugly!' threads. She's just fine looking, but no matter what you say to her, she will go on and on about how she tries to look ugly etc.

I don't want to risk looking better. It's fine most of the time because no one sees my legs anyway, so it doesn't really matter if they're shaved or not, but I think they feel a little better shaved. But in a bathing suit people will see my legs. :( And I don't really feel like it either, and I keep forgetting to, but I'll probably have to sometime before I leave.

I'm ugly, so I would feel like a liar if I did something that made me seem attractive.

No you would be doing what you want with what you have ... you would not be a "lier" either way, it is still your body either way you are just choosing to do something different with it.

If you dont want to its fine dont get me wrong I just don't think that your decision should hinge on making yourself seem the least attractive to yourself or others. ( dont know if it makes any sense or not ...)

it's made out of lyrca just like everyone else's swim suit, it's not any more than say a one piece and a pair of board shorts would be. Cotton gets really heavy when it's wet (t-shirts and jeans are made from cotton) lyrca doesn't get very heavy when wet, it just gets wet.

They actually weigh much less than a wet suit does when it's wet, but nobody screams "dear God how do you swim in that?!" when someone is wearing a wet suit.

Because a wet suit is necessary for survival in some situations and not poofy

The weight serves a functional rather than ascetic purpose

Having swam a couple lengths in the pool wearing jeans and a t-shirt (it was a thing for swim class to practice for a life or death sort of situation) I find that somewhat unlikely. More fabric just gets heavier. If it was all skin tight and spandex/lycra then it probably wouldn't... but that thing has unnecessary poof. I think that the burqini looks easier to swim in.

it's made out of lyrca just like everyone else's swim suit, it's not any more than say a one piece and a pair of board shorts would be. Cotton gets really heavy when it's wet (t-shirts and jeans are made from cotton) lyrca doesn't get very heavy when wet, it just gets wet.

They actually weigh much less than a wet suit does when it's wet, but nobody screams "dear God how do you swim in that?!" when someone is wearing a wet suit.

I highly doubt that this is true (the ugly part). I don't know who gave you the impression that you are, but I'm willing to bet that you're beautiful, you just need to be more confident.

And if you think that shaving your legs feels better (or not shaving them), then you should do it (or not) regardless of what other people think.
I gave it to myself, probably needlessly.

Ok. It does kind of feel better, it's just weird letting air touch it, I guess.

Oh god, please don't get her started, or this thread will end up as another 'Oh Chandy, don't be so hard on yourself' 'but I'm so ugly!' threads. She's just fine looking, but no matter what you say to her, she will go on and on about how she tries to look ugly etc.

Sorry. Trying to avoid that now. I actually feel a lot better today. I just have trouble admitting that I might have been wrong all these years and I might not really be ugly. But I feel different today somehow, and I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm wearing a smaller shirt instead of a shirt that's several sizes too large and drops down nearly to my knees. I don't know. But I almost feel like I maybe might kind of look possibly good right now, but I'm almost crying now admitting that I might feel that way possibly. This is hard.

No you would be doing what you want with what you have ... you would not be a "lier" either way, it is still your body either way you are just choosing to do something different with it.

If you dont want to its fine dont get me wrong I just don't think that your decision should hinge on making yourself seem the least attractive to yourself or others. ( dont know if it makes any sense or not ...)

Ok, that does make sense. That isn't the main reason that I usually don't. Usually I just forget.

it's made out of lyrca just like everyone else's swim suit, it's not any more than say a one piece and a pair of board shorts would be. Cotton gets really heavy when it's wet (t-shirts and jeans are made from cotton) lyrca doesn't get very heavy when wet, it just gets wet.

They actually weigh much less than a wet suit does when it's wet, but nobody screams "dear God how do you swim in that?!" when someone is wearing a wet suit.

Ugh, god, don't remind me of how heavy cotton gets.

I had to do a lifesaving trial back in the day where we had to swim in our clothes 100 yards from a "flaming boat", and then inflate our jeans to act as a temporary life preserver. Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.

That was exhausting.

Oh god, please don't get her started, or this thread will end up as another 'Oh Chandy, don't be so hard on yourself' 'but I'm so ugly!' threads. She's just fine looking, but no matter what you say to her, she will go on and on about how she tries to look ugly etc.
Is she in her teens? I think everyone goes through that sort of phase around puberty.

In which case I'd advise her to stop reading teen magazines... I stopped feeling shitty about my body as soon as I did that.

Because a wet suit is necessary for survival in some situations and not poofy

The weight serves a functional rather than ascetic purpose

my swimsuit is not pooffy, not any more pooffy than the other suits around with skirts

http://teststore.acomhosting.com/cubecart/images/uploads/bathingsuittwopiecewithskirtaquanavy.JPG

it's the same thing only it covers my shoulders, that btw burn badly.

I swim fine in it. If I was trying to sport swim or something I would have a sleeker suit, but all I really do is swim laps and such.

My suit is functional in the fact that I don't like to be sunburned and sunblock doesn't work well on me. What function does the mini-bikini have? looking porny?

it's made out of lyrca just like everyone else's swim suit, it's not any more than say a one piece and a pair of board shorts would be. Cotton gets really heavy when it's wet (t-shirts and jeans are made from cotton) lyrca doesn't get very heavy when wet, it just gets wet.

They actually weigh much less than a wet suit does when it's wet, but nobody screams "dear God how do you swim in that?!" when someone is wearing a wet suit.
Because wet suits are practical and the modesty ware certainly isn't. I mean, I like my little bikini (nothing like what's depicted I imagine, but I'm on a public computer so I haven't looked at the pictures of the teeny bikinis) but if I was going scuba diving then I'd wear a wetsuit.

I mean, I don't think you could wear your thing scuba diving, you'd probably get caught on some rocks with that skirt and you'd create a lot of drag too (unlike wetsuits which are quite streamlined). Actually, the burquini looks easier to swim in than your thing.

I gave it to myself, probably needlessly.
Don't worry, we all go through that for a while, it's part of growing up and getting used to being a different shape I think. :)

Ok. It does kind of feel better, it's just weird letting air touch it, I guess.
Then keep doing it if you like how it feels. It'll stop feeling weird after you get used to it.

Because wet suits are practical and the modesty ware certainly isn't. I mean, I like my little bikini (nothing like what's depicted I imagine, but I'm on a public computer so I haven't looked at the pictures of the teeny bikinis) but if I was going scuba diving then I'd wear a wetsuit.
and if I were going scuba diving I would wear a wet suit. when did scuba diving get brought into the conversation? why does the "practicality" of my swimsuit matter to you anyway? how practical is the mini-bikini? how practical are tankinis? or board shorts? Not everyone chooses their swimsuit based on practicality. It's functional, I can swim in it fine, I like it. What's the big outrage? I am not making you buy one.

I mean, I don't think you could wear your thing scuba diving, you'd probably get caught on some rocks with that skirt and you'd create a lot of drag too (unlike wetsuits which are quite streamlined). Actually, the burquini looks easier to swim in than your thing.
I never said I would wear it scuba diving, what I said was that people swim fine in wetsuits and they are much more heavy than my swimsuit (I know because I have worn one) and also, your basic problem with my suit is that once you went swimming in blue jeans, which are not even made of the same material much less the same pattern as my suit which btw isn't much different than many suits that have been on the market for years other than it covers my shoulders.

Sorry. Trying to avoid that now. I actually feel a lot better today. I just have trouble admitting that I might have been wrong all these years and I might not really be ugly. But I feel different today somehow, and I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm wearing a smaller shirt instead of a shirt that's several sizes too large and drops down nearly to my knees. I don't know. But I almost feel like I maybe might kind of look possibly good right now, but I'm almost crying now admitting that I might feel that way possibly. This is hard.

So was admitting to myself that I was a short dude with a distended stomach and muscles like wet linguini. Really, it took me a long time before I accepted being short.

Don't worry, we all go through that for a while, it's part of growing up and getting used to being a different shape I think. :)


Then keep doing it if you like how it feels. It'll stop feeling weird after you get used to it.

Sometimes I feel like the only good thing about my body is that I'm skinny, but then I see how my ribs show and see that that's probably a bad thing too. Other times I can see that I like my eyes and stuff. It's just that if I try to see myself as not ugly I feel like it means I'm being vain and then I cry. I don't like having breasts though. They just seems so random and like they shouldn't be there. It's so weird.

Sorry for interrupting this. :(

Is she in her teens? I think everyone goes through that sort of phase around puberty.

In which case I'd advise her to stop reading teen magazines... I stopped feeling shitty about my body as soon as I did that.

Yes, I'm 17, but I don't read teen magazines.

and if I were going scuba diving I would wear a wet suit. when did scuba diving get brought into the conversation?
When the hell does anyone wear a wetsuit if they're not scuba diving or surfing? I've never gone to the beach and just seen someone playing in the water wearing a wetsuit.

why does the "practicality" of my swimsuit matter to you anyway?
Unlike a lot of people who go to the beach, when I go I tend to actually swim... so practical suits are important.

how practical is the mini-bikini?
Probably not very, but I'm not saying that those are the best things to wear either (I largely agree with the uncomfortable-ness and uselessness of the things based on description).

how practical are tankinis?
Tankinis are pretty practical actually... I like them because I'm tall so I have trouble getting one piece swim suits to fit me without squishing my boobs down. They offer a fair bit of coverage, they're streamlined et c.

or board shorts?
Like that boys wear? I never quite get how practical those are... I mean, they're rather poofy but at the same time if a guy doesn't want his junk clearly visible then they're probably a good idea. I suppose they go into a similar category as your modesty swimwear though in terms of practicality except that they don't seem as poofy.

Not everyone chooses their swimsuit based on practicality. It's functional, I can swim in it fine, I like it. What's the big outrage? I am not making you buy one.
Who said I was outraged? That's nice that you like it, I don't really care... I just think that if one is actually trying to swim in the thing apart from doing lengths in one's pool then it's really impractical. I guess I'm a somewhat practical person in some respects... generally function wins over fashion for me. However, I do think it's wrong that women are generally pressured into dressing "modestly" lest they be labeled sluts though... and that's the idea that the website selling your suit seems to promote or at least agree with.

my swimsuit is not pooffy, not any more pooffy than the other suits around with skirts

http://teststore.acomhosting.com/cubecart/images/uploads/bathingsuittwopiecewithskirtaquanavy.JPG

it's the same thing only it covers my shoulders, that btw burn badly.

I swim fine in it. If I was trying to sport swim or something I would have a sleeker suit, but all I really do is swim laps and such.

My suit is functional in the fact that I don't like to be sunburned and sunblock doesn't work well on me. What function does the mini-bikini have? looking porny?
Where did I say they ever had any function? Personally I find them about as functional as yours and if I was female I would probably settle on a sort of standard one piece if it was me ...

I'm ugly, so I would feel like a liar if I did something that made me seem attractive.

No offense, but it looks like you're contradicting yourself, to me.

But I've already told you my opinion elsewhere.

Sometimes I feel like the only good thing about my body is that I'm skinny, but then I see how my ribs show and see that that's probably a bad thing too. Other times I can see that I like my eyes and stuff. It's just that if I try to see myself as not ugly I feel like it means I'm being vain and then I cry. I don't like having breasts though. They just seems so random and like they shouldn't be there. It's so weird.

Sorry for interrupting this. :(
Being skinny and having boobs is nothing to be ashamed of. It takes a while to get used to having a new shape though... so just get a nice bra to make yourself comfy (boobs feel better in well fitting bras in my experience) and try some clothes that fit you well and aren't oversized (since you mentioned feeling better when not wearing those things) and just generally tell yourself that you're beautiful just the way you are (seriously, go to the mirror and say this a couple of times a day for a while, it helps).

Where did I say they ever had any function? Personally I find them about as functional as yours and if I was female I would probably settle on a sort of standard one piece if it was me ...
One pieces don't like tall girls. :(

I used to wear them but I'd have a constant wedgie and my boobs would get squished, even if I got one several sizes too big.

When the hell does anyone wear a wetsuit if they're not scuba diving or surfing? I've never gone to the beach and just seen someone playing in the water wearing a wetsuit.
I wore one diving in the lake searching in a scavenger hunt once. It was quite heavy and difficult to swim in.


Unlike a lot of people who go to the beach, when I go I tend to actually swim... so practical suits are important.
I also swim when I am swimming :eek:


Probably not very, but I'm not saying that those are the best things to wear either (I largely agree with the uncomfortable-ness and uselessness of the things based on description).
I didn't say mine was the best thing to wear either, I said I like it, and I suggested one to someone who feels uncomfortable in a traditional swim suit.



Like that boys wear? I never quite get how practical those are... I mean, they're rather poofy but at the same time if a guy doesn't want his junk clearly visible then they're probably a good idea. I suppose they go into a similar category as your modesty swimwear though in terms of practicality except that they don't seem as poofy.
except for the underwear type suit, all mens suits are very poofy. Most men don't wear Speedos and yet they seem to get along just fine swimming.


Who said I was outraged? That's nice that you like it, I don't really care... I just think that if one is actually trying to swim in the thing apart from doing lengths in one's pool then it's really impractical. I guess I'm a somewhat practical person in some respects... generally function wins over fashion for me. However, I do think it's wrong that women are generally pressured into dressing "modestly" lest they be labeled sluts though... and that's the idea that the website selling your suit seems to promote or at least agree with.
you seem to be spending a lot of energy decrying the "wrongness" of my swim suit. how is it any different for you to pressure me to wear something you find more suitable than it is for someone else to do the same?

btw, I don't really have control over what the website says, it's one of the few places I can get a suit that suits my needs.

One pieces don't like tall girls. :(

I used to wear them but I'd have a constant wedgie and my boobs would get squished, even if I got one several sizes too big.

Fair enough I was not aware of that ... I suppose I would make a different choice if comfort became an issue.

I wore one diving in the lake searching in a scavenger hunt once. It was quite heavy and difficult to swim in.
I'm guessing that it was a borrowed wet suit..?

I also swim when I am swimming :eek:
Swimming in a pool and swimming in a big lake are entirely different experiences (you don't have large waves in pools).

I didn't say mine was the best thing to wear either, I said I like it, and I suggested one to someone who feels uncomfortable in a traditional swim suit.
Ok. And I just said that it looks impractical and hard to swim in.

except for the underwear type suit, all mens suits are very poofy. Most men don't wear Speedos and yet they seem to get along just fine swimming.
Yes, but for some reason they seem more practical for swimming that yours... if might be the general bit of the shorts being sporty and a skirt not really being so (unless it's quite short or pleated like tennis skirts) and men not generally having the extra baggage of loose sleeves and all.

you seem to be spending a lot of energy decrying the "wrongness" of my swim suit. how is it any different for you to pressure me to wear something you find more suitable than it is for someone else to do the same?
1. I'm not decrying the wrong-ness of your swim suit. I just think that it would be tough to swim in and doesn't even look particularly nice.
2. For someone who was going on about how women wearing those micro bikinis or whatever must have horrible self esteem for wearing them, you seem to be getting awfully upset for thinking that someone is judging you for your choice in swim wear.

btw, I don't really have control over what the website says, it's one of the few places I can get a suit that suits my needs.
I know. I'm just saying that the website seems to be of the opinion that women must hide themselves unless they're whores.

No offense, but it looks like you're contradicting yourself, to me.

But I've already told you my opinion elsewhere.

I... probably am, now that I think about it. But it's hard to accept that I might have been wrong. It's a lot easier to think that I really am ugly and everyone else is just lying. But I'm trying to move away from that because it's probably not healthy.

Being skinny and having boobs is nothing to be ashamed of. It takes a while to get used to having a new shape though... so just get a nice bra to make yourself comfy (boobs feel better in well fitting bras in my experience) and try some clothes that fit you well and aren't oversized (since you mentioned feeling better when not wearing those things) and just generally tell yourself that you're beautiful just the way you are (seriously, go to the mirror and say this a couple of times a day for a while, it helps).

I just don't like my breasts. They seem like they shouldn't be there to me. Most of my shirts are a lot bigger than necessary because I got them when I was like 12 or so, wanted to be able to wear them for a long time, and so got the largest size I could because I wasn't sure how big I'd get someday. I'm probably about 15 pounds heavier than I was then and several inches taller (I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs now). I've tried to do that before (with the mirror, since my therapist suggested it) but then that's when I feel like I'm being vain and start crying. Maybe I could try that again. It's going to be really hard to say that out loud though.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the swimsuit Smunkee chooses to wear.

It seems the "problem" is that suits now aday expose more skin, and when a modest design comes along, it's viewed as out-of-date and unnatural. Just because you want to expose more of yourself doesn't every other girl wants to do the same.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the swimsuit Smunkee chooses to wear.

It seems the "problem" is that suits now aday expose more skin, and when a modest design comes along, it's viewed as out-of-date and unnatural. Just because you want to expose more of yourself doesn't every other girl wants to do the same.
I agree completely.

And Chandelier, chill. Seriously just chill. Stop torturing yourself over stupid shit. Stop fishing for compliments and just live.
You're asexual anyway, at least you think you are. So why does it even matter?

:D:D:D:D:D:D

I love you Bottle.

Would that be because she had a go at me after misunderstanding the entire point of my post?

What I was trying to point out, was not that people should look perfect etc... but that to all the people who were drooling over the thought of women wearing very little on the public beach, that they ought to think of the reality. I am far from perfect, being 40 years old and the mother of three children, but I have a reasonable figure for my age and people compliment me on it, I no longer go topless in public (my own choice as I don't give a stuff what other people think) I do in my own garden as it is my garden and I will do as I damn well like in it. I don't always shave my legs, I don't shave them for anyone else other than me, as my boyfriend loves me if I do or not, I just personally don't like having hair all over my body, and prefer not too have any of it most of the time. I also wear make up and get dressed up in failry revealing clothes if I want to, and nope, oddly enough, I am not, and never have been, a tart. I find it offensive and shocking that a woman would use that term to describe another woman just for what she chooses to wear. If you choose, as you apparently do, to wear a victorian style bathing dress (and by the way, I live on an island with many beaches and I have NEVER seen anyone ever wear anything even closely resembling that) then that is up to you. I have no issue with it. I think that people sometimes choose to draw attention to themselves by different means. For different reasons.

And Chandelier, chill. Seriously just chill. Stop torturing yourself over stupid shit. Stop fishing for compliments and just live.
You're asexual anyway, at least you think you are. So why does it even matter?

Ok. It doesn't even matter. I don't even know why I worry about it, I just do sometimes.

Would that be because she had a go at me after misunderstanding the entire point of my post?
nope. I just liked what she said.

What I was trying to point out, was not that people should look perfect etc... but that to all the people who were drooling over the thought of women wearing very little on the public beach, that they ought to think of the reality. I am far from perfect, being 40 years old and the mother of three children, but I have a reasonable figure for my age and people compliment me on it, I no longer go topless in public (my own choice as I don't give a stuff what other people think) I do in my own garden as it is my garden and I will do as I damn well like in it. I don't always shave my legs, I don't shave them for anyone else other than me, as my boyfriend loves me if I do or not, I just personally don't like having hair all over my body, and prefer not too have any of it most of the time. I also wear make up and get dressed up in failry revealing clothes if I want to, and nope, oddly enough, I am not, and never have been, a tart. I find it offensive and shocking that a woman would use that term to describe another woman just for what she chooses to wear. If you choose, as you apparently do, to wear a victorian style bathing dress (and by the way, I live on an island with many beaches and I have NEVER seen anyone ever wear anything even closely resembling that) then that is up to you. I have no issue with it. I think that people sometimes choose to draw attention to themselves by different means. For different reasons.

I like all of that too. I wouldn't actually ever call anyone a tart for how they dressed, but I was using it for something.......and yeah, I don't really see many people in the swimdress like I have either, and no I don't wear it for attention, and no I don't find it to be in the Victorian style either, it's a skirted swimsuit with short sleeves. It's not like one of these........which btw, does seem cumbersome.....being made of cotton and all....

http://www.modestapparelchristianclothinglydiaofpurpledressescustomsewing.com/modest_swimwear.gif

In which case I'd advise her to stop reading teen magazines... I stopped feeling shitty about my body as soon as I did that.

Teen magazines are like super-uptight religious sects. They guilt-trip you into thinking you're ugly and worthless, and give you "advice" to make you stop feeling ugly and worthless, which doesn't work and makes you feel even more ugly and worthless, so you consult the magazine for ways to stop feeling ugly and worthless...

Burn them, I say!

Can't find a picture of my favorite bathing suit, but it's basically a pair of umbros-style shorts (with a lined bikini bottom inside) and a fitted tank.

Yes, I like the shorts better than the panty-style because they cover more up. No, that doesn't mean I've been brainwashed by teh ebil socitee! It means that I feel more comfortable without my thighs and hips hanging out of a generally unflattering bikini bottom.

Teen magazines are like super-uptight religious sects. They guilt-trip you into thinking you're ugly and worthless, and give you "advice" to make you stop feeling ugly and worthless, which doesn't work and makes you feel even more ugly and worthless, so you consult the magazine for ways to stop feeling ugly and worthless...

Burn them, I say!
Yeah, really. The two greatest things I did for my self esteem were to stop attending church and stop reading teen magazines.

Yeah, really. The two greatest things I did for my self esteem were to stop attending church and stop reading teen magazines.

I have little self esteem even sans church and magazines....though it does help :)

I have little self esteem even sans church and magazines....though it does help :)
I felt like shit about my body and appearance until I stopped reading those magazines and I felt like shit about my personality and mind before I stopped attending church and reading the Bible. I think that the second one (church) had more of a negative impact. Being told that no matter what you do, you're awful and you're lucky that there's this being that just loves you... well... really, it's like an abusive relationship.

If it is a way to skirt the puritan style modestly laws the united states seems to harbor I am all for it

except it's not - rather than objectifying women by denying them the right to show any skin, this is objectifying them even more by encouraging them to show everything.

I felt like shit about my body and appearance until I stopped reading those magazines and I felt like shit about my personality and mind before I stopped attending church and reading the Bible. I think that the second one (church) had more of a negative impact. Being told that no matter what you do, you're awful and you're lucky that there's this being that just loves you... well... really, it's like an abusive relationship.

Indeed. The teen magazines insult your body, religion-induced elitism insults your personality.

Also, teen magazines are idiotic. First they have this article about how you don't have to be uber-skinny and wear makeup to look pretty, but then you turn the page to another article on makeup and weight-loss tips "so you can look extra-sexy for school!" :rolleyes:

except it's not - rather than objectifying women by denying them the right to show any skin, this is objectifying them even more by encouraging them to show everything.

My original statement said absolutely nothing about objectifying anything so your statement following "except its not" in no way contradicts what I said.

That being said

So is there nothing they cant wear without being "objectified"?

I mean for the love of god my only point for most of this thread was that more people FREELY CHOOSING to wear what they want may break down some barriers. But with this topic I guess there is no "Win" as either way I get told that I am wishing for the objectification of women (or hinting at it)

Meh don't worry about it. It boils down to "women should wear what I say they should wear, else they aren't wearing the right thing."

Ignore free choice, clearly these strumpets...er I mean, women, were coerced into it either by unscrupulous photographers or low self-esteem. Because no sane woman would WANT to wear that. My goodness.
I love sarcasm :fluffle:

I mean for the love of god my only point for most of this thread was that more people FREELY CHOOSING to wear what they want may break down some barriers. But with this topic I guess there is no "Win" as either way I get told that I am wishing for the objectification of women (or hinting at it)
Meh don't worry about it. It boils down to "women should wear what I say they should wear, else they aren't wearing the right thing."

Ignore free choice, clearly these strumpets...er I mean, women, were coerced into it either by unscrupulous photographers or low self-esteem. Because no sane woman would WANT to wear that. My goodness.

except it's not - rather than objectifying women by denying them the right to show any skin, this is objectifying them even more by encouraging them to show everything.

No, I think UT got it right. It's a way of skirting puritanical 'modesty' laws. The women doing the skirting seem to be having quite a fun time doing so. No one is saying that other women should do the same...however, if they CHOSE to...what's it to you?

Oy, I hate topics like this one, because I always end up having to disagree while agreeing with people.

Smunk, your over-all message is great, but what's with the BS about "dressing like a tart"? Haven't we all learned yet?

1) Being a "tart" isn't a bad thing. "Tart" is one of the words used to shame women for daring to be female in public, as if they had the right or something.

2) Women are going to be accused of being/dressing like "tarts" no matter what they are wearing or doing. I promise, if you are an uppity woman who dares to show a hint of ankle, somebody out there is going to call you a slut for it.

3) It's stupid to think you can judge somebody's sexual nature based on what they're wearing. Lots of women like to wear attention-getting clothing even though they have no interest in fucking anybody. Lots of women who love to fuck (*raises hand*) are quite uncomfortable with attention, and don't "dress like tarts" even though they are tarts.

Too long, didn't read version: There's no such thing as "dressing like a tart," and even if there were it wouldn't be a bad thing.

Most balanced post I have ever read. There's already too much judgment, and I admit, I do it too. Excellent point about the language used to describe women being heinously viricentric. That's got to have something to do with the physical nature of procreative intercourse. The woman has a "place" to "keep sacred" from the "invasions" of lustful men...blah, blah, blah. That kind of thinking is one of the things so backward about Islam...the Promise Keepers...and other cults.


I wish the English language had better words.

We've got a pile of handy insults to use on women who choose to have sex because they enjoy it.

Yet what I really want is an insult for women (and men) who choose to engage in activities they don't enjoy with people who show them no respect, because they're just so damn desperate to curry favor with the very people who think of them as subhuman scum.

Suck-ups? Obsequious? Needlessly compliant? Willful abnegation?

I don't want to risk looking better. It's fine most of the time because no one sees my legs anyway, so it doesn't really matter if they're shaved or not, but I think they feel a little better shaved. But in a bathing suit people will see my legs. :( And I don't really feel like it either, and I keep forgetting to, but I'll probably have to sometime before I leave.

I'm ugly, so I would feel like a liar if I did something that made me seem attractive.

First bolded: Okay, if it feels better, that's the end of it. Unless "asexual" also means "chronically paranoid". You must learn a way to cope with the world's assumptions and let them roll off you or retaliate. You're a nice person, from what I've read, and I'd hate to see you driven to psychosis because you're putting what other people may or may not think over your own personal comfort.

Second bolded: This makes no sense. I don't know who screwed up your thinking to that degree, but you're not a liar if you do something that makes you feel better and happens to have the cultural side effect of being the societally preferable condition in which legs can be. THEY'RE YOUR LEGS. Ugly is subjective. Giving up your autonomy to feed that subjectivity's endless appetite is a surrender too many make. I beg you not to give in.

I pretty much only shave my legs for the benefit of others. For instance, I shaved in preparation for a recent wedding because I knew I'd be wearing a skirt that would show my legs below the knee. For me to appear in a breezy spring dress with *SHOCK* the natural growth of hair on my lower appendages would be viewed as crude, if not downright insulting. Like showing up with dirty hair or a stained outfit. Because I am extremely fond of the bride, and did not want her to doubt my respect for her and her union, I groomed myself in the approved heteronormative manner.

Lots of women I know do things like this.

That's what the whole thing boils down to. I don't like to dress in button-downs and ties, but I do it when I teach out of respect for my students and colleagues (plus, it's a Catholic university, and I don't need heat from the nuns in charge). Bottle respected her friend's ceremony and dressed/groomed accordingly.

I'm gonna sound old for saying this, but there are very few "nice" restaurants anymore. When I was a teenager and it was my birthday and we went somewhere with actual chefs and silverware and the like, we dressed up. Not formal, but we'd never be allowed jeans or shorts and t-shirts. I go to some of my favorite places for fine dining now, and people show up right off the dock in cut-offs and are wearing their baseball caps at the table. To return to the point, it's about respect for those around you and those who you may need to address or with whom you may interact.

I see no respect in any direction for the suits to which the OP linked.

First bolded: Okay, if it feels better, that's the end of it. Unless "asexual" also means "chronically paranoid". You must learn a way to cope with the world's assumptions and let them roll off you or retaliate. You're a nice person, from what I've read, and I'd hate to see you driven to psychosis because you're putting what other people may or may not think over your own personal comfort.

Second bolded: This makes no sense. I don't know who screwed up your thinking to that degree, but you're not a liar if you do something that makes you feel better and happens to have the cultural side effect of being the societally preferable condition in which legs can be. THEY'RE YOUR LEGS. Ugly is subjective. Giving up your autonomy to feed that subjectivity's endless appetite is a surrender too many make. I beg you not to give in.

It feels better, I just keep forgetting to do it.

I just thought it would be lying to try to alter myself in a way that could make me more attractive when I don't think I'm attractive. That might not make too much sense, but it did to me at the time I was typing it.

Meh don't worry about it. It boils down to "women should wear what I say they should wear, else they aren't wearing the right thing."

Ignore free choice, clearly these strumpets...er I mean, women, were coerced into it either by unscrupulous photographers or low self-esteem. Because no sane woman would WANT to wear that. My goodness.

and any woman who wants to dress in a less revealing form must automatically be brainwashed by the evil patriarchal society hell bent on keepin' womenz repressed.

This thread has an astounding effect on me :

... it's a teeny weeny, itsy bitsy, yellow polka dot bikini...

That song is now on playback on my head everytime I read the thread title :p

Indeed. The teen magazines insult your body, religion-induced elitism insults your personality.

Also, teen magazines are idiotic. First they have this article about how you don't have to be uber-skinny and wear makeup to look pretty, but then you turn the page to another article on makeup and weight-loss tips "so you can look extra-sexy for school!" :rolleyes:

Who cares about being sexy for school? Who gives a shit?

Who cares about being sexy for school? Who gives a shit?

The dirty old men by the school gates?

The dirty old men by the school gates?

They can't do anything, they'll get caught.

They can't do anything, they'll get caught.

True. But I'm sure they care.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was that the people who care about girls looking sexy for school probably aren't the type you want to care.


meh, getting late.

night all

This thread has an astounding effect on me :

... it's a teeny weeny, itsy bitsy, yellow polka dot bikini...

That song is now on playback on my head everytime I read the thread title :p

That song was the first time I was on stage... I was less than a year old, I believe, and they put me in a yellow polka dot bikini. My dad was a music teacher, I think his younger chorus was singing the song or something. I saw the video of it.

Who cares about being sexy for school? Who gives a shit?

I don't. I care about looking good, but sexy certainly isn't what I'm going for.

...

And why should young girls be "sexy" anyway?! No wonder people are so worried about pedophiles!

and any woman who wants to dress in a less revealing form must automatically be brainwashed by the evil patriarchal society hell bent on keepin' womenz repressed.

Exactamente!

See...they're never happy. "Too revealing clothes!" "Too covered!"

Because no sane woman would WANT to wear that. My goodness.

They certainly do look uncomfortable. But then again, some people like that. ;)

True. But I'm sure they care.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was that the people who care about girls looking sexy for school probably aren't the type you want to care.


meh, getting late.

night all

Yeah, true.

I don't. I care about looking good, but sexy certainly isn't what I'm going for.

...

And why should young girls be "sexy" anyway?! No wonder people are so worried about pedophiles!

Encouraged by teen mags and despised by society. It must suck to be an ephebophile.

They certainly do look uncomfortable. But then again, some people like that. ;)

Hahahahaha, well that's certainly true :D

Exactamente!

See...they're never happy. "Too revealing clothes!" "Too covered!"

Yep. If I don't wear a shirt that are so low my girlies hang out, I am a conservative prude. If I do, I must be sleeping around. :rolleyes:

Exactamente!

See...they're never happy. "Too revealing clothes!" "Too covered!"

what was that saying...

"When a woman undresses infront of a woman, that woman is judgemental. When a woman undresses infront of a man, that man is just grateful." :p

Encouraged by teen mags and despised by society. It must suck to be an ephebophile.

Indeed.

ah well, sucks to be them! :p

Indeed.

ah well, sucks to be them! :p

Well, some people just have it that way.

BTW, in a strange ironic twist, the Burqini is now more popular.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1645145,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

Also, teen magazines are idiotic. First they have this article about how you don't have to be uber-skinny and wear makeup to look pretty, but then you turn the page to another article on makeup and weight-loss tips "so you can look extra-sexy for school!" :rolleyes:
Yeah, I never got that. Also, they'd have articles about how they had models of all sizes, yet I don't think they ever had a girl who was even close to my size and my friends tend to go on about how I'm "so skinny!!!" so their articles make you think that you're bigger than you are because they're supposedly including bigger girls. In reality they're not, or they're hiding somewhere obscure or airbrushed into being thin.

Yeah, I never got that. Also, they'd have articles about how they had models of all sizes, yet I don't think they ever had a girl who was even close to my size and my friends tend to go on about how I'm "so skinny!!!" so their articles make you think that you're bigger than you are because they're supposedly including bigger girls. In reality they're not, or they're hiding somewhere obscure or airbrushed into being thin.

yeah. But I can always find models my size... which is not a good thing.

Who cares about being sexy for school? Who gives a shit?
The other girls mostly... who tease those who dont' fit in mercilessly.

And in theory, the boys the girls are trying to attract. I don't know how much guys actually care though. Maybe the ones in highschool do more than the ones in university?

And in theory, the boys the girls are trying to attract. I don't know how much guys actually care though. Maybe the ones in highschool do more than the ones in university?

Well don't forget, in high school boys are nothing but hormone crazed sex-machines :rolleyes:

As to how much they care, well, high school was over 5 years ago for me, but I don't remember caring much beyond "she looks hot." Though I was hardly considered "normal."

Well don't forget, in high school boys are nothing but hormone crazed sex-machines :rolleyes:

As to how much they care, well, high school was over 5 years ago for me, but I don't remember caring much beyond "she looks hot." Though I was hardly considered "normal."

Hell, I'm still sex-crazed and hormone driven, and I'm two years out of high school.

Hasn't gotten me very far, though not for lack of trying...

As for those bikinis, it's the beach, so whatever works. But I prefer just enough suggestion to give my imagination the appropriate direction :)

Well don't forget, in high school boys are nothing but hormone crazed sex-machines :rolleyes:

As to how much they care, well, high school was over 5 years ago for me, but I don't remember caring much beyond "she looks hot." Though I was hardly considered "normal."
Well, no, I figure men care somewhat about appearance, but I don't think they care that much. At least the ones I associate with don't seem to care that much about the particulars.

Uhm, I guess you've never of our ice bathing. You sauna, then you roll around naked in the snow and if there is a hole in the ice sheet on the lake, you jump in the water, swim, then sauna some more. So, don't think we let something small like the weather stop us.

When your Finnish neighbors emigrated to Michigan they brought that with them. I've never done it myself, but the tradition is mostly in the most northern reaches of the state, and the people there are still rather Finnish. I even drove through a town up there once that had both English and Finnish on their road signs.

Never been to a beach or ocean either. Closest to either I've gotten to see was Lake Michigan.

There are plenty of beaches on Lake Michigan. The Grand Traverse Bay in Traverse City, Michigan is particularly nice. However, St. Joseph is nice enough and a lot closer to you.

As for the ocean, it's overrated. I've been to the ocean in France, Spain, Kuwait and Qatar and I've never been all that thrilled with it. It wasn't all that different from the beaches on Lake Michigan and saltwater smells funny.

Well don't forget, in high school boys are nothing but hormone crazed sex-machines :rolleyes:

As to how much they care, well, high school was over 5 years ago for me, but I don't remember caring much beyond "she looks hot." Though I was hardly considered "normal."

Lol... I remember one conversation I had with a friend.

Him:"So what do you think of [Girl's name]"
Me:"she's nice looking but I really like her personality."
Him:"what?"
Me: "I like her personality. the way she thinks."
Him: "and her looks?"
Me: "She looks nice, but I preferre her inner self."
*smack*
the girl we were talking about walked up behind me and and heard my comments, she smacked the back of my head. she apparently took insult that I thought her personality was better than her looks.

this was in the 7th grade btw... :p

that looks painful. Not something I'd fancy wearing.

*snip*
So is there nothing they cant wear without being "objectified"?

I mean for the love of god my only point for most of this thread was that more people FREELY CHOOSING to wear what they want may break down some barriers. But with this topic I guess there is no "Win" as either way I get told that I am wishing for the objectification of women (or hinting at it)

Welcome to the radical feminist vs. Puritanical moralist hurricane of contradictions! There is no winning if you're a thinking man looking for a woman...or at least that's how it seems.

The other girls mostly... who tease those who dont' fit in mercilessly.

And in theory, the boys the girls are trying to attract. I don't know how much guys actually care though. Maybe the ones in highschool do more than the ones in university?

I'm not sure I care.

saltwater smells funny.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!


Sorry, but I grew up in a beach town, so I love the smell of sand and salt water. Fresh water's alright, but it has no personality to it... Though it doesn't quite corrode metals like the former does, which is nice.

ok, saw those Bikini's in action... so to speak, on youtube.

man, the number of Nipslips were amazing... and this is not scenes of anything... strenous... just lying down to get a tan (pop), Standing up from a sitting position (pop). reaching for the bottle of suntan lotion while in a lying/supine posistion (pop), twisting around to look behind you (pop, pop)...

yep... my idea for using band-aids and masking tape is sounding better and better...

1. It's not porn. It's small bikinis

2. To wear them means you have HIGH self-esteem, not low - a person with low self-esteem would probably think they are ugly and so wouldn't go near a small bikini

3. If you don't want to see people wearing them, don't look

4. Most people who wear them will likely be attractive people

5. Who defines attractiveness anyway?

6. They're not for swimming, they're for relaxing on a beach. Though I don't see why someone coulodn't swim in them

7. I think they're beautiful and accentuate positive features, without a woman having to be totally naked

And by the way.... I saw only ONE nipslip on youtube. What videos have you been watching?

As long as it doesn't wind up on some hideous looking females I'm game. Remember Spandex is a priviledge not a right, same rule applies here.

Maybe if more people go to the website it will start a big bikini trend.

Sorry.

Maybe if more people go to the website it will start a big bikini trend.

Sorry.

lol! Hell it's a bikini contest, I can be as superficial as I want muahahaha!

1. It's not porn. It's small bikinis... well, I never said it was... :p cant speak for othes tho.

2. To wear them means you have HIGH self-esteem, not low - a person with low self-esteem would probably think they are ugly and so wouldn't go near a small bikini it depends... they may feel that unless they show more, people will not think them attractive/worth approaching.

tho your point is also valid.

3. If you don't want to see people wearing them, don't look and the rest... just don't drool. :D

4. Most people who wear them will likely be attractive people... most... god help those who see the few that arn't!!! :eek:

5. Who defines attractiveness anyway?Movies, Television, Magazines... ;)

6. They're not for swimming, they're for relaxing on a beach. Though I don't see why someone couldn't swim in them I thing the point is someone can START swimming in them... but chances are they won't be in those bikinis for long... :p

7. I think they're beautiful and accentuate positive features, without a woman having to be totally naked regular bikinis, Wetsuits and even one-pieces also does the same. including some of those designs that Smunkee and others like.

And by the way.... I saw only ONE nipslip on youtube. What videos have you been watching?... searched for them again... those two videos were pulled for policy violation. DAMN! :(

Maybe those slips were deliberate... dunno.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!


Sorry, but I grew up in a beach town, so I love the smell of sand and salt water. Fresh water's alright, but it has no personality to it... Though it doesn't quite corrode metals like the former does, which is nice.

I spent quite a bit of time in a beach town too, so I love the smell of sand and fresh water. When I was growing up we used to vacation at various beaches on the Great Lakes, so I came to associate coastal areas with the smell of fresh water. When I first saw the ocean (in France) it just smelled weird and wrong to me. And since I rarely go to the ocean it probably always will.

1. It's not porn. It's small bikinis
the site linked in the blog looks very porn like to me.......not that I know much about porn sites, but it had the "samples" and then the "join now and get moar" thing and links to other porn sites. Oh, and then there is the first page that says

The material on this server is adult oriented and/or sexually explicit, and is related to material of an adult nature. This site provides access to images of nude adults possibly engaging in sexual acts. Access is made available only to those who accept the terms of the following agreement:

By accepting this agreement, I certify the following:

1) I do not find images of nude adults, adults engaged in sexual acts, or other sexual material to be offensive or objectionable.

2) I am at least 18 years of age and have the legal right to possess adult material in my community.

3) I understand the standards and laws of the community, site and computer to which I am transporting this material, and am solely responsible for my actions.

4) I will not attempt to bypass any security and/or access feature at this site.

5) If I use these services in violation of the above agreement, I understand I may be in violation of local and/or federal laws and am solely responsible for my actions.

6) By logging on, I will have released and discharged the providers, owners and creators of this site from any and all liability which might arise.

7) Book marking to a page on this server/site whereby this warning page is bypassed shall constitute an implicit acceptance of the foregoing terms herein set forth.


sounds porny.


although, like I said, I don't know much about porn sites.

1. It's not porn. It's small bikinis

Porn can include small bikinis.


2. To wear them means you have HIGH self-esteem, not low - a person with low self-esteem would probably think they are ugly and so wouldn't go near a small bikini

It is a mistake to think you can evaluate somebody's self esteem based on what they choose to wear to the beach.

For instance, I dated a girl who had the lowest self esteem you could imagine, but she'd wear the itsy-bitsy teenie-weenie bikinis every time we went swimming.

Frankly, I think any woman who would choose to wear useless, uncomfortable, impractical garments which serve no function other than to titillate men is probably a woman who spends far too much time worried about what other people think of her. Her personal esteem is obviously secondary, to her.

Meanwhile, I know plenty of high-esteem girls and women who wouldn't bother wearing such useless "clothing." Why would you? It serves no purpose.


3. If you don't want to see people wearing them, don't look

I don't care if people wear them.


4. Most people who wear them will likely be attractive people

5. Who defines attractiveness anyway?

You're contradicting yourself.


6. They're not for swimming, they're for relaxing on a beach. Though I don't see why someone coulodn't swim in them

You must be a dude, because anybody with a woman's parts will know exactly why those bikinis are useless for anything requiring movement, and wouldn't really be comfortable to "relax" in, either. They're for making boys look at you. That's it. They're not comfortable, they're not practical, and they're not useful for anything other than getting attention.


7. I think they're beautiful and accentuate positive features, without a woman having to be totally naked

She is naked. Don't kid yourself.

It's like the strippers who wear little stars pasted over their nips, and that counts as "not nude" stripping. It is to laugh.

You like women being naked on beaches. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't bullshit around about how it's "not totally naked," when it absolutely is.

the site linked in the blog looks very porn like to me.......not that I know much about porn sites, but it had the "samples" and then the "join now and get moar" thing and links to other porn sites. Oh, and then there is the first page that says

*snip*

although, like I said, I don't know much about porn sites.

It looks like a site that looks like a porn site, yeah.

It's an extra level of challenge I'm guessing. Not only does the ugly creep with the money get to see his girlfriend in public wearing such an awkward thing, he gets to post pictures of it to a members-only site. Knowing that makes the bikini harder to wear, I'm guessing.

EDIT: I am firmly in the "better-to-go-nude" camp on this one, btw.

That just looks...painful...

That just looks...painful...

its probably not painful, just uncomfortable.

That just looks...painful...

ditto

This thread has an astounding effect on me :

... it's a teeny weeny, itsy bitsy, yellow polka dot bikini...

That song is now on playback on my head everytime I read the thread title :p

You poor soul… :p