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Environmental Correctness

Lord Sauron Reborn
26-07-2007, 17:41
Respectable: “Characterized by proper behaviour or conventional conduct; worthy of respect; "a respectable woman"

Every society has a code of acceptable behaviour; in our grandparents' day conforming to this code bestowed the mantle of respectability. Codes of personal conduct allow society to function within its resource limitations. The old respectability of our grandparents revolved around sexual conduct, moderation in the consumption of alcohol, personal cleanliness and church attendance.

Accepted codes of conduct are a necessary prerequisite for a functional society. Problems occur when economic and technological advances make the old norms of behaviour somewhat redundant. The tension between new social possibilities and outmoded moral codes usually presages a period of moral confusion. The Sixties, when the invention of universal and cheap contraception made the old virtues of chastity, fidelity and monogamy redundant, was the most recent period of moral confusion in the Western world.

When respectability operates at the level of: “This is not respectable behaviour, and respectable behaviour is necessary to the smooth functioning of society.”, all is well. In the last days of a dying moral code there is an inversion of this principle and the analysis becomes: “You may say that this behaviour does nothing to disrupt the smooth running of society, but it is not respectable behaviour and must be inhibited.”

Moral warfare takes place because the older generation has invested its self-esteem in the established moral system and perceives the new system as an attack on its legitimacy and authority. Other people who perceive that the nascent morality is detrimental to their interests tend to support the older generation. Sexual freedom may seem to be indiscriminate in its benefits, but, in fact, in a monogamous and chaste society even ugly, unpleasant and dull people have a guaranteed opportunity of snagging a life partner and thus enjoying the same sexual status as everyone else in monogamous society. In a sexually free society, ugly and dull people may ultimately have more sex, but most of the sex will be taking place between good looking and interesting people. This means that sexual freedom relegates ugly and dull people from a position of sexual parity to a position of sexual inferiority, inclining dull and ugly people to oppose sexual liberation and support the old morality.

Aside from people who are directly negatively affected by moral innovation there is, as Eric Hoffer pointed out, a significant percentage of the population that are natural conformists ("true believers"). These natural conformists cannot function without a script and stage instructions and will oppose anyone who attempts to alter their prescribed role and remove their illusory safe boundaries. There comes a point in moral warfare where the old believers die off and significant numbers conformists begin to learn the new script; once a tipping point is achieved the natural conformists slide en masse into the camp of the new morality and a new orthodoxy is enthroned and reigns supreme.

This phenomenon is most recently obvious in the cult of environmentalism. Are human carbon emissions causing global warming? I don’t have a fucking clue--because despite pop culture unanimity there is a scientific divergence of opinion on this subject and I am not a scientist, thus I am not qualified to judge between contesting scientific hypotheses. Neither is has-been politician Al Gore, and neither are the true believers (mainly B-list celebrities and aging singers) that have lined up behind the cause of global warming.

The people who are bitching about reckless disposal of garbage and over consumption of carbon today are the same natural conformists who fifty years ago would be gossiping about the slatternly behaviour of the woman in the next street. The important thing is that it’s always about someone else being wrong and them being right, and the superior status of being firmly in the camp of moral righteousness all comes at the cost of doing nothing very much.
The blessed Chris
26-07-2007, 17:48
I quite enjoyed reading that.:)

A little point in addition; I don't have to do anything to help the environment now, everybody else is being so responsible! Bad driver argument wins again!:D
Greater Valia
26-07-2007, 17:48
Your style of writing (barring the occasional profanity) bears a striking resemblance to that of Anthony Daniels (AKA Theodore Dalrymple). Coincidence?
Pompous world
26-07-2007, 17:59
90% of the scientific community believe that carbon emissions are causing global warming. It has nothing to do with popular culture, its a probable reality. (Falsifiability is part of the scientific method, there are competing theories but the theory whereby humans are causing environmental change seems the most likely by a margin of...90%). It has been hijacked by celebs etc but media attention can be argued to be a general conscious raiser attempt with regards to a genuine problem caused more than likely by us. Besides who wants to live in a world of dirty polluted air? Who likes breathing in fumes that are bad for you lungs?

And in regards to the reckless disposal of garbage, yeah recycling is better, people should have some personal responsibility. Where does superiority come into it? Who are all these people who you are superior? It seems like your tarring everyone with the same brush due to a small minority.

Things aren't fine, there is always room for improvement and nothing flawed, institutionally/societally should be accepted for what it is, like its some natural aspect of the world, with the argument of stop complaining etc.
RLI Rides Again
26-07-2007, 18:06
This phenomenon is most recently obvious in the cult of environmentalism. Are human carbon emissions causing global warming? I don’t have a fucking clue--because despite pop culture unanimity there is a scientific divergence of opinion on this subject and I am not a scientist, thus I am not qualified to judge between contesting scientific hypotheses. Neither is has-been politician Al Gore, and neither are the true believers (mainly B-list celebrities and aging singers) that have lined up behind the cause of global warming.

You refer to Global Warming as a cult? Wow, there goes your credibility.

Despite what you might like to think, just about every reputable scientist in the world agrees that climate change is occuring and that it's being caused by humans; to quote the latest IPCC report:

Most of (>50% of) the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (confidence level >90%) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.

This represents the scientific consensus; there's no more 'controversy' over Climate Change than there is over Evolution.

The people who are bitching about reckless disposal of garbage and over consumption of carbon today are the same natural conformists who fifty years ago would be gossiping about the slatternly behaviour of the woman in the next street. The important thing is that it’s always about someone else being wrong and them being right, and the superior status of being firmly in the camp of moral righteousness all comes at the cost of doing nothing very much.

You've got this completely the wrong way round: the people who are denying global warming are invariably the conservatives and right-wingers, the same people who bitch about 'moral values'.
Greater Valia
26-07-2007, 18:06
Besides who wants to live in a world of dirty polluted air? Who likes breathing in fumes that are bad for you lungs?
I don't really care since I smoke two packs a day. :D ;)

And in regards to the reckless disposal of garbage, yeah recycling is better, people should have some personal responsibility. Where does superiority come into it? Who are all these people who you are superior? It seems like your tarring everyone with the same brush due to a small minority.
I'm generalising here, but the people who drive hybrids, recycle, etc. are some smug bastards. I honestly don't think they care about the environment, but instead like the sense of superiority being "environmentally conscious" gives them.
Pompous world
26-07-2007, 18:08
I don't really care since I smoke two packs a day. :D ;)


I'm generalising here, but the people who drive hybrids, recycle, etc. are some smug bastards. I honestly don't think they care about the environment, but instead like the sense of superiority being "environmentally conscious" gives them.

I have yet to encounter them because we don't have hybrids in my country yet but no matter that they are smug, so what, at least the end result is that there is less pollution. Its certainly better than people driving 4x4s because it gives them the illusion of feeling powerful, safe and in command. Why dont they get some slack?
Greater Valia
26-07-2007, 18:14
I have yet to encounter them because we don't have hybrids in my country yet but no matter that they are smug, so what, at least the end result is that there is less pollution. Its certainly better than people driving 4x4s because it gives them the illusion of feeling powerful, safe and in command. Why dont they get some slack?

When did I defend assholes who drive big obnoxious SUVs?
Pompous world
26-07-2007, 18:17
When did I defend assholes who drive big obnoxious SUVs?

I wasnt implying that

Just wondering why SUV drivers arent brought up at the same time as mentioning hybrid drivers in the thread
Greater Valia
26-07-2007, 18:22
I wasnt implying that

Just wondering why SUV drivers arent brought up at the same time as mentioning hybrid drivers in the thread

I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Lord Sauron Reborn
26-07-2007, 20:02
You refer to Global Warming as a cult? Wow, there goes your credibility.

Actually the little chunk of my post you quoted there shows pretty clearly that I didn't refer to global warming itself as a cult. Nice try, though.

I wasnt implying that

Just wondering why SUV drivers arent brought up at the same time as mentioning hybrid drivers in the thread

Obnoxious SUV drivers weren't germane to the discussion and smug hybrid drivers were? You can't mention every jerky thing people do at once.
Hoyteca
26-07-2007, 21:56
There's a good reason to help the earth. One very good reason.


We live on the earth. I know, weird, isn't it. We live on the same planet we're f**king up big time. Contrary to some people's opinion, most of our resources aren't infinite. Paper? Do you know how long it takes a tree to grow? Unless it's bamboo, that's going to be a long time. Metals are even more finite because, unlike trees, metals don't grow with water and sunlight. They don't grow with anything.

People are selfish and short-sighted. That's why people take cars instead of buses. They don't want to have to wait for a bus. Recycle? With our microwave meals that take minutes to cook and our internet providing us with information almost instantly, who has the time to determine if something is paper, plastic, or aluminum? That's going to eat up precious seconds we could use watching television. Walking? I have family that would rather drive down a block rather than walk down it. Not me. I walk. I even use the crosswalk instead of running into traffic like a dumbass.

No, I'm not a pinko commie hippy liberal. I'm pretty conservative. I even think Kerry would have made a worse president than Bush.
Lord Sauron Reborn
27-07-2007, 11:44
Walking? I have family that would rather drive down a block rather than walk down it. Not me. I walk. I even use the crosswalk instead of running into traffic like a dumbass.

The people who are bitching about reckless disposal of garbage and over consumption of carbon today are the same natural conformists who fifty years ago would be gossiping about the slatternly behaviour of the woman in the next street. The important thing is that it’s always about someone else being wrong and them being right, and the superior status of being firmly in the camp of moral righteousness all comes at the cost of doing nothing very much.

...Just saying.