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I'm not sure if there's a thread on this, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19943138/

^ This makes me fairly nervous, flying airplanes or otherwise.

Your Thoughts?

Yes. Close all the mosques. That's where they learn this shit.

I think the notice is intended to make the TSA workers more diligent, not intended as a press release to the general public. Hence the TSA's reaction that this wasn't meant as a public announcement.

It's funny you mention that, because the memo is linked at the bottom of the screen and it clearly states at the bottom of the page not to bring this to any member of the media.

But, of course, that'd never happen with a story like this.

I think the notice is intended to make the TSA workers more diligent, not intended as a press release to the general public. Hence the TSA's reaction that this wasn't meant as a public announcement.

I think the notice is intended to make the TSA workers more diligent, not intended as a press release to the general public. Hence the TSA's reaction that this wasn't meant as a public announcement.

They are civil servants. It is illegal to make them 'more diligent". The democrats saw to that many moons ago.

My thoughts=Doesn't worry me.

After having two pilots as your parents, I kinda don't get worried about aircraft jacking...>_<

Why would an aspiring terrorist attempt to carry a fake bomb onto a plane? I can understand testing the security measures, but if they catch you, you're hardly going to be in a position to try again.

My thoughts=Doesn't worry me.

After having two pilots as your parents, I kinda don't get worried about aircraft jacking...>_<

im not worried about hijacking.

but we will never be 100% safe from terrorists being able to blow up a plane or to kill a few people on board a plane before they are subdued.

it would suck to be on a plane where some asshole went to the bathroom and assembled a small bomb that blew a hole in the side of the plane.

Why would an aspiring terrorist attempt to carry a fake bomb onto a plane? I can understand testing the security measures, but if they catch you, you're hardly going to be in a position to try again.

thats what i wonder too.


San Diego, July 7. A U.S. person — either a citizen or a foreigner legally here — checked baggage containing two ice packs covered in duct tape. The ice packs had clay inside them rather than the normal blue gel.

Milwaukee, June 4. A U.S. person’s carryon baggage contained wire coil wrapped around a possible initiator, an electrical switch, batteries, three tubes and two blocks of cheese. The bulletin said block cheese has a consistency similar to some explosives.

Houston, Nov. 8, 2006. A U.S. person’s checked baggage contained a plastic bag with a 9-volt battery, wires, a block of brown clay-like minerals and pipes.

Baltimore, Sept. 16, 2006. A couple’s checked baggage contained a plastic bag with a block of processed cheese taped to another plastic bag holding a cellular phone charger.


every one of these people and every one they ever associated with were thoroughly investigated after this. (no it doesnt say that but you know they were) if they belong to some terrorist group, they blew it by getting caught.

more likely these are nutcases who are obsessed with the notion that its possible to take a bomb on a plane so they tried to "prove" it by taking bomb like devices themselves.

Why would an aspiring terrorist attempt to carry a fake bomb onto a plane? I can understand testing the security measures, but if they catch you, you're hardly going to be in a position to try again.

I believe they are often let go.

Yes. Close all the mosques. That's where they learn this shit.

"Use your aggressive feelings, boy! Let the hate flow through you!"

Why would an aspiring terrorist attempt to carry a fake bomb onto a plane? I can understand testing the security measures, but if they catch you, you're hardly going to be in a position to try again.

To test security measures.

They can't arrest you for some wires wrapped around modeling clay.

Also, it desensitizes the screeners over time - "hey look, it's another block of cheese, fuck it".

the "security personel" at airports should be just that-trained and efficient security people.
Not slackers with criminal records themselves, not those slovenly in appearance.

They should also get a bounty for every illegal item they prevent from getting onto a plane. they should get a reward for every person they stop from boarding thats on a no-flight list. A reward for every fake ID they identify and seize.

Yes. Close all the mosques. That's where they learn this shit.

Heheh.. close all the mosques...

it's purposeful ignorance and idiocy at its best. Here's a medal for you boy!

the "security personel" at airports should be just that-trained and efficient security people.
Not slackers with criminal records themselves, not those slovenly in appearance.

They should also get a bounty for every illegal item they prevent from getting onto a plane. they should get a reward for every person they stop from boarding thats on a no-flight list. A reward for every fake ID they identify and seize.

no way! they've done that sort of thing with traffic wardens and it caused chaos. no one would ever make their flights if this sort of thing was implemented with airport security.

Yes. Close all the mosques. That's where they learn this shit.

While we're at it, let's close all the Churches. More terrorist attacks have occurred in America due to White Christian terrorists than "teh ebil Moohamedins", believe it or not.

As well, why don't we just get rid of the First Amendment while we're at it. Fuck freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and all that other crazy hippy stuff. We live in the United States of Oceania, god damn it, and we must protect ourselves at all costs! We are at war with Muslims, we have always been at war with Muslims!

Don't forgot to go to the Two Minutes Hate today, if you don't, I'll have to turn you in for doubleplus bad behavior.

Dumbass.

more likely these are nutcases who are obsessed with the notion that its possible to take a bomb on a plane so they tried to "prove" it by taking bomb like devices themselves.

I thought that too and would love to know the backgrounds and ethnicity of these people.

As far as one doing this with the real intention of doing a dry run. Even if they were caught what trouble would they really get into? There name may be added to a watch list however they could pass the information onto another terrorist wannabe to use for a future mission.

While we're at it, let's close all the Churches. More terrorist attacks have occurred in America due to White Christian terrorists than "teh ebil Moohamedins", believe it or not.


I fly a lot. And this islam nonsense has cost me literally hundreds of hours of hassle over the past few years. Do I get an apology? Do I fuck. No, I get preemptively branded as islamophobic (as if that is even a real word :rolleyes:). So I figure I might as well be anyway. I'll reconsider when the Islamic community starts to act in a more contrite fashion.

Anyway, mosques are dens of iniquity. I saw it on a channel four documentary.

You should also take the time to actually read 1984.

In the UK, the people doing the dry runs are idiot journalists.

There, the authorities arrest them, and give them the rubber glove treatment.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2134077,00.html

Let me get this straight... A guy with a couple ice packs taped together in his checked bag is stopped, but I get to carry a big hunk of metal through in my carry-on? They must have been distracted by his oversized toothpaste tube, as well.

Clearly we need to be focused on the passenger, rather than the stuff he's bringing on board if we have any intention of providing security.

no way! they've done that sort of thing with traffic wardens and it caused chaos. no one would ever make their flights if this sort of thing was implemented with airport security.

A list of prohibited items should be made plainly on all carrier literature,websites, when tickets are purchsed,ect...

The list should not change as often as it is. Less confusion, no exceptions.

Arrive earlier for your flight. Dont carry any prohibited items.

Airport security should be secure.

I fly a lot. And this islam nonsense has cost me literally hundreds of hours of hassle over the past few years. Do I get an apology? Do I fuck. No, I get preemptively branded as islamophobic (as if that is even a real word :rolleyes:). So I figure I might as well be anyway. I'll reconsider when the Islamic community starts to act in a more contrite fashion.

Anyway, mosques are dens of iniquity. I saw it on a channel four documentary.

You should also take the time to actually read 1984.

You should also blame white terrorists, because as I stated they have committed more acts of terrorism than the others in the west(The IRA, fundementalist Christians, etc). It's not the Islamic community that is causing you mild discomfort(Boo-fucking-hoo, I have to wait a couple extra minutes to get on my plane), it's your government.

And oh! You saw it on TV. God forbid you actually go to a mosque and see what goes on in one, instead seeing likely one or two examples of extremists mosques, and applying that to all mosques. Yeah, that's logic.

And fuck, dude, I've read 1984. I know very well it wasn't a good analogy, but I needed a little pizzaz, and couldn't think of anything else for your little distopian world. So, I chose 1984. Poor analogy? Yes. But I believe the point was gotten across.

So, you fail at life, you fail at debate, and you fail at intelligence.

And yes, that is a petty insult, and I know very well you will say something along the lines of "Oh, you take a juvenile jab at me! That disproves what you said", to which I shall reply "It was for comedic affect only", to which you will say "I find that not funny", to which I say "Oh, but I do". And we are back at square one. So, let's just not waste the time and space of that conversation, shall we?

As well, why don't we just get rid of the First Amendment while we're at it. Fuck freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and all that other crazy hippy stuff. We live in the United States of Oceania, god damn it, and we must protect ourselves at all costs! We are at war with Muslims, we have always been at war with Muslims!




No- "We" are actually NOT at war with Muslims. We are at war with people whom behave badly.

However, muslims are actually at war with us.

Let me get this straight... A guy with a couple ice packs taped together in his checked bag is stopped, but I get to carry a big hunk of metal through in my carry-on? They must have been distracted by his oversized toothpaste tube, as well.

Clearly we need to be focused on the passenger, rather than the stuff he's bringing on board if we have any intention of providing security.

How do you plan on figuring out which passenger is going to attack a plane?

Mind reading?

Or do you mean "Passenger" as in "Brown People"?

You should also blame white terrorists, because as I stated they have committed more acts of terrorism than the others in the west(The IRA, fundementalist Christians, etc). It's not the Islamic community that is causing you mild discomfort(Boo-fucking-hoo, I have to wait a couple extra minutes to get on my plane), it's your government.

And oh! You saw it on TV. God forbid you actually go to a mosque and see what goes on in one, instead seeing likely one or two examples of extremists mosques, and applying that to all mosques. Yeah, that's logic.



I have very strong opinions about the IRA, and I think some US politicians (like Chris Dodd) should be called to account for their continued support of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Also, something should have been done about the Catholic Church's tacit approval of the IRA at the time. That's all in the past now though, so it's not really a problem. (Other than the fact that the Labour Parties spineless behavior has no doubt encouraged other terrorists).

That said, I would support closing the extremist christian churches too.

The undercover investigation that channel four conducted was at notable moderate mosques like Green Lane in Birmingham.

You should also blame white terrorists, because as I stated they have committed more acts of terrorism than the others in the west(The IRA, fundementalist Christians, etc). It's not the Islamic community that is causing you mild discomfort(Boo-fucking-hoo, I have to wait a couple extra minutes to get on my plane), it's your government.

And oh! You saw it on TV. God forbid you actually go to a mosque and see what goes on in one, instead seeing likely one or two examples of extremists mosques, and applying that to all mosques. Yeah, that's logic.

And fuck, dude, I've read 1984. I know very well it wasn't a good analogy, but I needed a little pizzaz, and couldn't think of anything else for your little distopian world. So, I chose 1984. Poor analogy? Yes. But I believe the point was gotten across.

So, you fail at life, you fail at debate, and you fail at intelligence.

And yes, that is a petty insult, and I know very well you will say something along the lines of "Oh, you take a juvenile jab at me! That disproves what you said", to which I shall reply "It was for comedic affect only", to which you will say "I find that not funny", to which I say "Oh, but I do". And we are back at square one. So, let's just not waste the time and space of that conversation, shall we?

Yeah, those imams are all happy people.

ROME - Police on Saturday arrested three Moroccans — a Muslim imam and two of his aides — and accused them of running a "terror school" at a small mosque in central Italy, where they allegedly trained in combat, learned about bombs and stashed away chemicals.
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Italian anti-terror police said they found barrels of chemicals and instructions on how to pilot a Boeing 747 in the Ponte Felcino mosque on the outskirts of Perugia, a city known for its Renaissance architecture and idyllic countryside. A fourth suspect was being sought.

"The investigation has shown that, in the Ponte Felcino mosque, there was a continued training for terrorist activity," anti-terror police head Carlo De Stefano said. "We have discovered and neutralized a real 'terror school,' which was part of a widespread terrorism system made up of small cells that act on their own."

Police identified the imam as 41-year-old Korchi El Mostapha, and his two aides as Mohamed El Jari, 47, and Driss Safika, 46. A fourth Moroccan suspect was believed to be abroad. All four were suspected of conducting training with the aim of international terrorism.

Police also said in a statement that the suspects had contacts with two members of the Moroccan Islamic Combat group arrested around two years ago in Belgium. The Islamic group — known by its French acronym, GICM — is believed to have ties to al-Qaida and has been linked to the 2004 Madrid train bombings and 2003 attacks in Casablanca, Morocco.

It was not immediately clear if the defendants had retained attorneys.

The modest mosque, on the ground floor of a red-painted residential building, hid chemicals, including acids, nitrates and ferrocyanide, which may have been used to experiment making bombs or poisons, said Claudio Galzerano, head of the international terrorism division within the anti-terror police.

Activities at the mosque used films and documents downloaded from the Internet, and included weapons training, instructions on how to prepare poisons and explosives, as well as how to lay an ambush, reach combat zones safely and send encrypted messages, a police statement said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070721/ap_on_re_eu/italy_terrorism

I have very strong opinions about the IRA, and I think some US politicians (like Chris Dodd) should be called to account for their continued support of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Also, something should have been done about the Catholic Church's tacit approval of the IRA at the time. That's all in the past now though, so it's not really a problem. (Other than the fact that the Labour Parties spineless behavior has no doubt encouraged other terrorists).


Well, at least you're consistent. That's good. And yes, US politicians are douchebags. I have a personal pet peeve with one traitorous individual(Reagan, I'm looking at you), who not only supported but funded terrorists.


That said, I would support closing the extremist christian churches too.

The undercover investigation that channel four conducted was at notable moderate mosques like Green Lane in Birmingham.

I'd have to see said documentary before I can make judgement. Many times, "documentaries" are anything but a bunch of out of context clips. Not everything labeled "documentary" is actually true. I have seen some that are just idiotic.

Well, at least you're consistent. That's good. And yes, US politicians are douchebags. I have a personal pet peeve with one traitorous individual(Reagan, I'm looking at you), who not only supported but funded terrorists.

I'd have to see said documentary before I can make judgement. Many times, "documentaries" are anything but a bunch of out of context clips. Not everything labeled "documentary" is actually true. I have seen some that are just idiotic.

Supporting the IRA was both a Republican AND Democrat thing.

I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Yeah, those imams are all happy people.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070721/ap_on_re_eu/italy_terrorism


Yeah, a few examples is hardly a good way to generalize a whole group of people.

There are environmentalists, and there are tree spikers.

There are animals rights activists, and then there is PETA.

There are Christians, and then there are clinic bombers.

The fact is, most Muslims are peaceful, just as much as most Christians and other people. To label an entire group by the actions of a few is idiotic.

I'd have to see said documentary before I can make judgement. Many times, "documentaries" are anything but a bunch of out of context clips. Not everything labeled "documentary" is actually true. I have seen some that are just idiotic.

Dispatches is pretty even handed though. They go after pretty much everyone.

Supporting the IRA was both a Republican AND Democrat thing.

I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Never said it wasn't.

Those politicians who supported it should be held for crimes against humanity. Regardless of affiliation.

Yeah, a few examples is hardly a good way to generalize a whole group of people.

There are environmentalists, and there are tree spikers.

There are animals rights activists, and then there is PETA.

There are Christians, and then there are clinic bombers.

The fact is, most Muslims are peaceful, just as much as most Christians and other people. To label an entire group by the actions of a few is idiotic.

I'm saying they all need to be watched. Everyone. To say that "Islam is a peaceful religion" is a lie in today's modern world. Yes, watch all the Christians too, PETA, etc.

If you wait until people actually do something, it will be too late.

Never said it wasn't.

Those politicians who supported it should be held for crimes against humanity. Regardless of affiliation.

Absolutely. I agree 100%. If for no other reason than it makes preventing terrorism 100 times harder because these clowns are still running around.

How do you plan on figuring out which passenger is going to attack a plane?

Mind reading?

Or do you mean "Passenger" as in "Brown People"?

You figure out who is evasive when questioned about the purpose of the trip, etc... There's a pretty common set of questions. Questioning takes about two or three minutes and it's very common in countries that realize they can't rely on technology alone to discover any and all attempts at terrorism.

Go through an Israeli airport sometime to see the best screeners at work. The U.S. is definitely lacking when it comes to airport screening. I know this because I travel through many different airports every year.

I thought that too and would love to know the backgrounds and ethnicity of these people.

As far as one doing this with the real intention of doing a dry run. Even if they were caught what trouble would they really get into? There name may be added to a watch list however they could pass the information onto another terrorist wannabe to use for a future mission.

while my answer does rely on people hired by the bush administration not being idiots...

unless a guy is working utterly alone and plans to give his info to people he doesnt know when he makes the test, even if he is let go he is still thoroughly investigated.


carrying fake bomb parts onto a plane is enough evidence to get a warrant to tap his phone or search his house. if he has been in contact with a terrorist organization, its easy enough to find out.

Fly yourself! Get a Private Pilot License and you won't have to worry about this bullshit! :)

I'm not sure if there's a thread on this, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19943138/

^ This makes me fairly nervous, flying airplanes or otherwise.

Your Thoughts?
You know what makes me nervous? The scare tactics used by the federal government.

Fly yourself! Get a Private Pilot License and you won't have to worry about this bullshit! :)
If I have to go from Atlanta to D.C. and back the same day, it's an option. I would expect to pay about $150 per hour for a decent IFR single. Figure about 4-5 hours ETE and your looking at a charge of about $700 to $800 for the day.

Airtran charges $500 for a next-day round trip ticket purchase. Financially, I've got to pick Airtran and fight the baggage police. Although, if I want to take my family to Orlando, financially it's better to rent a Cherokee 6 or a Lance. Twins are just too much -- try renting a nice Aztec sometime...