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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews

With many Republicans increasingly pessimistic about holding the White House in 2008, electability has become former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani's most appealing attribute.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll of the Republican field shows Giuliani with a sizeable lead over his three principal rivals. The former mayor was the choice of 37 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, well ahead of Arizona Sen. John McCain and the still-undeclared Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee, virtually tied at 16 and 15 percent, respectively. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney ran fourth with 8 percent.

So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

You mean apart from "9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 - terror!"? Or maybe that's more like a mantra.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

He's moderate enough to attract some moderates and moderate Dems, like me, (he supports gay marriage) and he's Republican enough to attract Republican voters.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

Eh. No. Not any more than it is in the Democratic Party - I've seen enough Obama (Edwards, Biden, Kucinich, etc.) fans supporting Hillary over electablilty to draw the same conclusion for their side. The current group of GOP candidates doesn't present a clear choice if you're not into politics. I think that explains the lack of "strong support" for Giuliani, rather than any weakness as a candidate. Thompson's drawing 15%, according to the article, without even formally stating his candidacy. It's very early. :p

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

They better hope it works better for them than it did for John Kerry. Of course, being the most electable out of that crowd is like being top of your GED class--not a great honor.

He's moderate enough to attract some moderates and moderate Dems, like me, (he supports gay marriage) and he's Republican enough to attract Republican voters.

Don't kid yourself--he doesn't support gay marriage anymore, just like he doesn't support abortion rights anymore.

They better hope it works better for them than it did for John Kerry. Of course, being the most electable out of that crowd is like being top of your GED class--not a great honor.

I think Romney, if anyone, is our Kerry. :p Giuliani has at least a scintilla of actual charisma. He'd probably have a good chance. :)

Sure, Republicans are so used to voting for nepotistic, corrupt, incompetant bunglers that any of the Rudy McRomney crowd looks attractive.

Don't kid yourself--he doesn't support gay marriage anymore, just like he doesn't support abortion rights anymore.

Damn, outdated info's a bitch.

Damn, outdated info's a bitch.

Had to happen--he's running for the Republican nomination, after all.

AFter looking at George W. You still think that wasn't their motto all along?

Competence certainly wasn't on their minds.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

AFter looking at George W. You still think that wasn't their motto all along?

Had to happen--he's running for the Republican nomination, after all.

He bowed to pressure from the yutz club, right?

He bowed to pressure from the yutz club, right?

Hard to win a nomination in a party dominated by evangelicals if you're not at least pretending to hate teh gay.

Hard to win a nomination in a party dominated by evangelicals if you're not at least pretending to hate teh gay.

Lousy bastard. And I thought he was a mensch.

Lousy bastard. And I thought he was a mensch.

I don't think it's possible to actually be a mensch and run for President.

I don't think it's possible to actually be a mensch and run for President.

Yeah, it just screams "unelectable."

Well, at the moment, Giuliani has my vote because he embodies the core of Republican beliefs: small government, a free economy, and staltwart defenses. He doesn't have any of this foofity social crap that other Republicans waste so much time on, and that is diminishing my party to all but a small hard core. Do we want to shame themselves back into minority status, like we had for decades after FDR?

Don't kid yourself--he doesn't support gay marriage anymore, just like he doesn't support abortion rights anymore.
I don't like to be a stickler for details, but can you support your claim?

I fear all things the GOP of today likes.

I don't like to be a stickler for details, but can you support your claim?

This is the transcript (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18478985/) of the May 3 debate where he was less than clear on his abortion stance. He said at one point that he would be fine with overturning Roe. I'm looking for the same-sex marriage flip right now.

This is the transcript (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18478985/) of the May 3 debate where he was less than clear on his abortion stance. He said at one point that he would be fine with overturning Roe. I'm looking for the same-sex marriage flip right now.
Thanks for the link. I am going through it and I found this point (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18478985/page/4/)(in regards to Iran and nukes) quite interesting and it also made me chuckle:

Giuliani: He has to understand it's not an option; he cannot have nuclear weapons. And he has to look at an American president and he has to see Ronald Reagan. Remember, they looked in Ronald Reagan's eyes, and in two minutes, they released the hostages.
Is he really serious? This guy is a contender?

On to your claim:

Starting with you, Governor, would the day that Roe v. Wade is repealed be a good day for America.

Giuliani: It would be OK.

Moderator: OK to repeal?

Giuliani: It would be OK to repeal. It would be also if a strict constructionist judge viewed it as precedent and I think a judge has to make that decision.
Good catch. :)

Anyone else read it at first glance, GOP like Gilligan's Island?

Well, at the moment, Giuliani has my vote because he embodies the core of Republican beliefs: small government, a free economy, and staltwart defenses. He doesn't have any of this foofity social crap that other Republicans waste so much time on, and that is diminishing my party to all but a small hard core. Do we want to shame themselves back into minority status, like we had for decades after FDR?

Well put. It's more than simple electability. :)

Anyone else read it at first glance, GOP like Gilligan's Island?

Eh? Not quite. :p

Although I do kinda like Gilligan's Island, so it makes some sense. ;)

Eh? Not quite. :p

Although I do kinda like Gilligan's Island, so it makes some sense. ;)

Damn my dislexia!

Eh? Not quite. :p

Although I do kinda like Gilligan's Island, so it makes some sense. ;)

...at least, they did until some sexually repressed religious fanatics said that Skipper and Gilligan were gay lovers, and Ginger and Maryann were lesbians, and the Howells and the Professor were having a threesome.

...at least, they did until some sexually repressed religious fanatics said that Skipper and Gilligan were gay lovers, and Ginger and Maryann were lesbians, and the Howells and the Professor were having a threesome.

Psssh. Everyone knows Lovey was a dominatrix and that Skipper was a Leather Daddy with a penchant for ball gags.

"We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. You have free speech so I can be heard."

I kid you not, he said this. Add in the fact that he is too left-leaning (for me) in his fiscal views, and to me, he is entirely and completely unelectable. I would vote for a Democrat (I would otherwise vote Libertarian) just to keep him out of office. IMO, he is the worst candidate from either party by far. Thankfully, I am not American and thus do not have to worry about him coming to power here.

IMO, he is the worst candidate from either party by far. .

That's like being the stupidest idiot in summer school. They're all pathetic, except for maybe the one guy who just made a mistake or two and had to take a summer class to make up a credit.

Who that person is, though, I have no idea.

He is the least-bad of the republican contenders.

His major demerit is that he is an anti-2nd amendment nincompoop.

I can't think of a circumstance where I'd actually vote for him, at any rate, because he is a republican.

The Times had a good article about him last week, detailing how he dealt with race pimps as mayor. "Just say no," more or less.

IMO, he is the worst candidate from either party by far.

Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks that. The guy is a tyrant with fantasies of dictatorship. Everything good that happened in NYC under his watch was already under way or in place when he took office. He takes credit for things he didn't do. His conduct during 9/11 was almost a joke. The police hate him. The firemen hate him. He ran NYC like a police state.

On top of that, for someone who claims to be a "terrorism expert" due to his role in 9/11, I'm completely appalled that he completely denies the idea of "blowback" and still harps on the tired and completely disproven "they hate our freedoms" schtick.

He is just plain dangerous...and Hillary's not much different.

The Times had a good article about him last week, detailing how he dealt with race pimps as mayor. "Just say no," more or less.

Probably because Al Sharpton basically put him in office when he sank Giuliani's predecessor, Mayor Dinkins. :p I guess he learned from that. Between him and Obama, who Alan Keyes basically gave a seat in the Senate, we could have an Obama/Giuliani race that *no one* could've predicted a decade ago. :p

IMO, he is the worst candidate from either party by far.

Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks that. The guy is a tyrant with fantasies of dictatorship. Everything good that happened in NYC under his watch was already under way or in place when he took office. He takes credit for things he didn't do. His conduct during 9/11 was almost a joke. The police hate him. The firemen hate him. He ran NYC like a police state.

On top of that, for someone who claims to be a "terrorism expert" due to his role in 9/11, I'm completely appalled that he completely denies the idea of "blowback" and still harps on the tired and completely disproven "they hate our freedoms" schtick.

He is just plain dangerous...and Hillary's not much different.

(Disclosure: I'm a former Republican that left in 2002 when I realized that the "new" Conservatives don't give a damn about small, limited government, states' rights, fiscal conservatism or a strong DEfense {pre-emptive war is NOT DEfense}.

...and I plan on writing Ron Paul in on the ballot even if he doesn't get the nomination. :P)

He is the least-bad of the republican contenders.

His major demerit is that he is an anti-2nd amendment nincompoop.


That and that he was corrupt and incompetant as mayor of NYC.

So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

Is it going to be??

It already is...and has been since Reagan.

That said, I don't think either party is looking for "unelectability" as a motto. :p

Anyone else read it at first glance, GOP like Gilligan's Island?

Who is Maryanne? That's where my vote goes. Ginger seems to high maintenance.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

Nah, it's going to be "values for home and business!" :p

Seriously though, fuck Giuliani and his anti-weasel stance.

Nah, it's going to be "values for home and business!" :p

Seriously though, fuck Giuliani and his anti-weasel stance.

Anti-weasel?

I think I'm behind the curve on this one - what's that mean?

Anti-weasel?

I think I'm behind the curve on this one - what's that mean?

http://www.modernferret.com/pressreleases/nyc05212001.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqrEw901KXE

I'm a pretty fervent mustela supporter. This was the deciding factor for me to descend (or ascend, depends on POV i guess) into freely associating Rudy with varying vulgarities.
At least, it seems like a good enough reason. He's given me a few others.

http://www.modernferret.com/pressreleases/nyc05212001.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqrEw901KXE

I'm a pretty fervent mustela supporter. This was the deciding factor for me to descend (or ascend, depends on POV i guess) into freely associating Rudy with varying vulgarities.
At least, it seems like a good enough reason. He's given me a few others.

Hah. That's pretty funny. Although they cut off the beginning of the call, so I wouldn't judge based on that. :p

Hah. That's pretty funny. Although they cut off the beginning of the call, so I wouldn't judge based on that. :p
Well, point taken, but i did provide more than one source.
:)

Well, point taken, but i did provide more than one source.
:)

That's true, and thanks for those. :) I hate to be behind the times on buzzword knowledge, so I appreciate it.

I think I'll get a pet weasel and name it Rudy.

Rudy's running solely on 9/11. Some may like his "electability", but he's got a "likeability" problem. I used to live near NYC, so he was on the local news a lot. He's a bit of a prick.

...at least, they did until some sexually repressed religious fanatics said that Skipper and Gilligan were gay lovers, and Ginger and Maryann were lesbians, and the Howells and the Professor were having a threesome.

I'd watch that. :)

I don't think it's possible to actually be a mensch and run for President.

Ain't that the truth.

I am going through it and I found this point (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18478985/page/4/)(in regards to Iran and nukes) quite interesting and it also made me chuckle:

Is he really serious? This guy is a contender?

One pet peeve: giving full credit from the hostage crisis to Reagan. Makes me want to punch something, like when thugs beat up senior citizens.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews

So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

Isn't that the motto for both parties?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

If it is, they are going to fail worse than when the Democrats went that route in '04 with Kerrry.

Guliani will get maimed in the pre-election, and with good reason. He's a douche who's been riding the tails of 9/11 for a bit to long.

Let the GOP elect Giuliani. It will easily mark the end of that political party. Their reputation is tarnished enough at the time being, but then to support a candidate who dresses in drag and supports the gay community? No, no. Too much non-Conservatism to handle.

If it is, they are going to fail worse than when the Democrats went that route in '04 with Kerrry.

Worked for Bill Clinton.

Worked for Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton didnt dress in drag 5 times. He got a blowjob. Sounds pretty electable to me.

Bill Clinton didnt dress in drag 5 times. He got a blowjob. Sounds pretty electable to me.

Maybe Giuliani isn't looking for pussy.

Worked for Bill Clinton.

Well, look at who he was running against. Electability is good, but if that's all your going on, you're going to fail. Clinton was electable, but he had a bit more going for him: He was much more likeable than Bush Sr., he was very Charismatic, people simply could like him.

Kerry, although electable, lacked quite a few of these qualities. His "Anybody but Bush" slogan really was the shittiest slogan I have ever heard. Yeah, I want anybody but Bush, but what the hell sets you apart from the rest?

Well, look at who he was running against. Electability is good, but if that's all your going on, you're going to fail. Clinton was electable, but he had a bit more going for him: He was much more likeable than Bush Sr., he was very Charismatic, people simply could like him.

Kerry, although electable, lacked quite a few of these qualities. His "Anybody but Bush" slogan really was the shittiest slogan I have ever heard. Yeah, I want anybody but Bush, but what the hell sets you apart from the rest?

I don't think Kerry was electable.

Electable DOES imply charisma. It implies moving to the center.

Kerry didn't have charisma (the charisma of a wooden shoe, ok), and that slogan was not "moving to the center".

Kerry, although electable, lacked quite a few of these qualities. His "Anybody but Bush" slogan really was the shittiest slogan I have ever heard. Yeah, I want anybody but Bush, but what the hell sets you apart from the rest?
You know, not to be overly picky here, but I don't think Kerry had an "Anybody But Bush" slogan. I know that the right-wing certainly claimed that he did, and perhaps the spin stuck--certainly a number of Kerry supporters felt that way--but to say Kerry had that as a slogan is false, I believe.

Don't get me wrong--Kerry was a shitty candidate. He should have wiped the floor with Bush, who is unquestionably the most incompetent president in US history. But there's no need to overstate the case.

You know, not to be overly picky here, but I don't think Kerry had an "Anybody But Bush" slogan. I know that the right-wing certainly claimed that he did, and perhaps the spin stuck--certainly a number of Kerry supporters felt that way--but to say Kerry had that as a slogan is false, I believe.

Don't get me wrong--Kerry was a shitty candidate. He should have wiped the floor with Bush, who is unquestionably the most incompetent president in US history. But there's no need to overstate the case.

Maybe not a slogan, per se, but he did say it at some convention or something.

Honestly, any candidate should have easily defeated El Bushio, but they chose Kerry, the most "electable" non-electable candidate they had. Whoo.

Not sure about most incompetent... It's definately a race between him and Harding.

Maybe not a slogan, per se, but he did say it at some convention or something.

Honestly, any candidate should have easily defeated El Bushio, but they chose Kerry, the most "electable" non-electable candidate they had. Whoo.

Not sure about most incompetent... It's definately a race between him and Harding.

The first thing they should have noticed about Kerry.

He went to the same school and belonged to the same fraternity as Bush.

I also think that parties should vet their candidates BEFORE they even let them enter the primaries.

I would have thought, on first glance, that all of the lies Kerry told during Winter Soldier would have been completely unacceptable baggage bound to get him in deep trouble.

And what do you know! All that running for President did for Kerry was give all those angry veterans a great chance at payback. And they fucked him so hard...

That and that he was corrupt and incompetant as mayor of NYC.

If he was as incompetant as you said, then why did crime decrease under his leadership?

Let the GOP elect Giuliani. It will easily mark the end of that political party. Their reputation is tarnished enough at the time being, but then to support a candidate who dresses in drag and supports the gay community? No, no. Too much non-Conservatism to handle.

People said the samething with Kerry. :rolleyes:

Well, look at who he was running against. Electability is good, but if that's all your going on, you're going to fail. Clinton was electable, but he had a bit more going for him: He was much more likeable than Bush Sr., he was very Charismatic, people simply could like him.

Kerry, although electable, lacked quite a few of these qualities. His "Anybody but Bush" slogan really was the shittiest slogan I have ever heard. Yeah, I want anybody but Bush, but what the hell sets you apart from the rest?

I agree entirely.

Maybe not a slogan, per se, but he did say it at some convention or something.

Honestly, any candidate should have easily defeated El Bushio, but they chose Kerry, the most "electable" non-electable candidate they had. Whoo.

Not sure about most incompetent... It's definately a race between him and Harding.

If you can find a quote, I'd love to see it. As far as Kerry's electability was concerned, you don't have to convince me--I was beyond pissed that after Iowa, the race was essentially over. Kerry was never higher than 4th on my choices list, and at times was in Sharpton territory,

As for most incompetent, I think it's not even close. And I'm going to throw in as criminal as Nixon to boot.

I'm afraid I was with the ABB crowd. I'd have voted for my cat first, and he's dumb enough to have been hit by a car twice.

If you can find a quote, I'd love to see it. As far as Kerry's electability was concerned, you don't have to convince me--I was beyond pissed that after Iowa, the race was essentially over. Kerry was never higher than 4th on my choices list, and at times was in Sharpton territory,

As for most incompetent, I think it's not even close. And I'm going to throw in as criminal as Nixon to boot.

I might be misremembering what he said, I'll try to find a quote(Unless, of course, I am wrong, which is likely-however I could have sworn I saw it on the news him saying during the primaries).

And Kerry was always low on my list of hopeful Dems, as well.

Now, as far as being incompetent, I must agree, but really was difficult to convince me that there would be any president as incompetent as Harding a few years back, and to say it's a close race between Bush and Harding really, really says something.

Nixon wasn't incompetent, as well, so at least he has that going for him(Although he was criminal). So... yep, I'd place him a bit above El Bushio the Simple any day.

People said the samething with Kerry. :rolleyes:
Even more proof that LancasterCounty = AlleghanyCounty = Corneliu :D

Rudy Giuliani is a heartless bastard. He tried to have all the homeless people of New York City rounded up and thrown in prison.

Even more proof that LancasterCounty = AlleghanyCounty = Corneliu :D

Except that I did not believe them. I do not believe that anything can 100% destroy a party in this day in age. If we had more parties with seats, I can see something destroying a party but not in this day and age. That is why I put the roll eye smilie next to it.

And stop referring to me as someone that I am not.

Rudy Giuliani is a heartless bastard. He tried to have all the homeless people of New York City rounded up and thrown in prison.

Not true. He actually told them to move to florida, where it is warmer.

And stop referring to me as someone that I am not.

Every time you say that, it gets funnier and funnier. It wasn't enough that you said "samething" not "same thing" like you ALWAYS do, but my sig alone shows that enough, as that was the sort of thing only corny could say.

And stop referring to me as someone that I am not.
You are definitely Corneliu. Not too many posters misspell same thing as samething, but you, Corny, AlleghanyCounty, and even Allegheny County2 certainly have the knack.

Y'all also like to use the uncommon expression "oh brother", among all the other similarities of posting. :D

*snip*

Care to actually address the point instead of posting theories that are false?

Every time you say that, it gets funnier and funnier.
In another thread, he insisted that he wasn't Corny and Kat quoted him and stated "interesting". :)

Care to actually address the point instead of posting theories that are false?
Another Corny trait:

Originally Posted by CanuckHeaven
*snip*

In another thread, he insisted that he wasn't Corny and Kat quoted him and stated "interesting". :)

which makes it even more funny is she said the EXACT same thing when Eve Online was claiming to not be DK.

What's funny is he's so terribly bad at it, claiming to be someone different while posting EXACTLY THE SAME

Another Corny trait:

Originally Posted by CanuckHeaven
*snip*

Still no response to:

Except that I did not believe them. I do not believe that anything can 100% destroy a party in this day in age. If we had more parties with seats, I can see something destroying a party but not in this day and age. That is why I put the roll eye smilie next to it.

Still no response to:

which has exactly what to do with the fact that you are OBVIOUSLY corneliu and your continual denial of it is both silly and amusing?

which has exactly what to do with the fact that you are OBVIOUSLY corneliu and your continual denial of it is both silly and amusing?

Because it is the point of the thread. This thread is about Guiliani and not me. Want to start a thread about me, be my guest.

Y'all also like to use the uncommon expression "oh brother", among all the other similarities of posting. :D

I use that one sometimes.

*hides*

:p

which makes it even more funny is she said the EXACT same thing when Eve Online was claiming to not be DK.

What's funny is he's so terribly bad at it, claiming to be someone different while posting EXACTLY THE SAME

Which is why I've never used a puppet. I'd never keep it straight. When I came back from my previous incarnation, I didn't mention it to very many people, but I'd been gone long enough that most had never come across me in the first place. I often wonder if some of the other old timers come back and never reveal themselves--like Parratoga, for instance.

If you can find a quote, I'd love to see it. As far as Kerry's electability was concerned, you don't have to convince me--I was beyond pissed that after Iowa, the race was essentially over. Kerry was never higher than 4th on my choices list, and at times was in Sharpton territory.

Out of curiosity, who would you have preferred?

I was for Wesley Clark myself, but he dropped out the day before the Wisconsin primary.

Out of curiosity, who would you have preferred?

I was for Wesley Clark myself, but he dropped out the day before the Wisconsin primary.

I was a Dean man, and I still think he'd have beaten the shit out of Dubya simply because he wouldn't have allowed Bush and Rove to set the debate. Kerry was always on the defensive, and you can't do that in an election--if you're defending in a close race, you lose every time.

I was a Dean man, and I still think he'd have beaten the shit out of Dubya simply because he wouldn't have allowed Bush and Rove to set the debate. Kerry was always on the defensive, and you can't do that in an election--if you're defending in a close race, you lose every time

Very true on both points.

Too bad. :(

Which is why I've never used a puppet. I'd never keep it straight. When I came back from my previous incarnation, I didn't mention it to very many people, but I'd been gone long enough that most had never come across me in the first place. I often wonder if some of the other old timers come back and never reveal themselves--like Parratoga, for instance.
Well, Corny has confessed to having over 50 puppets, and if they are used for puppet wanking then the level of debate gets downgraded from its' already base level.

Sometimes I wonder if there really is only a handful of debaters here, and the rest are puppets.

I like Giuliani because he is a bastard and doesn't pretend to be anything else. You have to think of him as a lawyer, you want the meanest, dirtiest, most tough bastard you can find to support your case and win. He would be like hiring "our bastard", in a legal case so we would win. He would do a lot better job than Bush on the war on Iraq, crime, business issues, energy, and a lot of other issues. However, he would cause a lot more racial dissent, cut entitlement and education programs, and step all over the nonprofit and charitable sector of the economy because he is a bastard.

I like Giuliani because he is a bastard and doesn't pretend to be anything else. You have to think of him as a lawyer, you want the meanest, dirtiest, most tough bastard you can find to support your case and win. He would be like hiring "our bastard", in a legal case so we would win. He would do a lot better job than Bush on the war on Iraq, crime, business issues, energy, and a lot of other issues. However, he would cause a lot more racial dissent, cut entitlement and education programs, and step all over the nonprofit and charitable sector of the economy because he is a bastard.
Politics and law are different types of lying and conniving.

However, he would cause a lot more racial dissent, cut entitlement and education programs, and step all over the nonprofit and charitable sector of the economy because he is a bastard.

Now can you provide evidence to support this?

Well, Corny has confessed to having over 50 puppets, and if they are used for puppet wanking then the level of debate gets downgraded from its' already base level.

Sometimes I wonder if there really is only a handful of debaters here, and the rest are puppets.

Wouldn't it be funny if there was a debate that looked like it had a dozen or so participants, but was really just two people using a bunch of puppets?

Wouldn't it be funny if there was a debate that looked like it had a dozen or so participants, but was really just two people using a bunch of puppets?

I think that in the past, posters have been DEATed for using puppets to troll their own threads.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/24/new_poll_gop_likes_rudys_elect.html?hpid=topnews



So! Is electability going to be the motto for the Republican Party?

Probably. But the more I think about it, the more I think Giuliani has what it takes to win the general election. In fact I would like to be the 1st to say Rudy Giuliani is going to be the next president of the United States of America. You heard it here 1st.

Probably. But the more I think about it, the more I think Giuliani has what it takes to win the general election. In fact I would like to be the 1st to say Rudy Giuliani is going to be the next president of the United States of America. You heard it here 1st.
Giuliani has almost no chance of winning the election without another terrorist attack, which Bush Co. would use to extend their stay in office indefinitely.

Giuliani has almost no chance of winning the election without another terrorist attack, which Bush Co. would use to extend their stay in office indefinitely.

If only what you were saying is true...

I think that in the past, posters have been DEATed for using puppets to troll their own threads.
How about just debating with themselves?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12671077&postcount=64

Giuliani has almost no chance of winning the election without another terrorist attack, which Bush Co. would use to extend their stay in office indefinitely.

This again? Heh. It's going to be a fun election, I think! :p

Wouldn't it be funny if there was a debate that looked like it had a dozen or so participants, but was really just two people using a bunch of puppets?
More like scary? There have been some debates where it is obvious that puppets have been made to bolster one side or another, and that is rather sad.

Down with the puppets!!

I don't want to live in a country where Rudy Giuliani is electable.

Bill Clinton didnt dress in drag 5 times. He got a blowjob. Sounds pretty electable to me.

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/kerry_1.jpg
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/bush1_1.jpg

Actually, he's just a little hip here:
http://shotsacrossthebow.com/weblog/images/austinkerry1.jpg

Hmmm ... undoctored pic of what Shrubya thinks of his own name:
http://home.mchsi.com/~beyondbelief/bushsignsflag.jpg

I think I'll get a pet weasel and name it Rudy.

Rudy's running solely on 9/11. Some may like his "electability", but he's got a "likeability" problem. I used to live near NYC, so he was on the local news a lot. He's a bit of a prick.

QFT. *bows*

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/kerry_1.jpg
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/bush1_1.jpg

Actually, he's just a little hip here:
http://shotsacrossthebow.com/weblog/images/austinkerry1.jpg

Hmmm ... undoctored pic of what Shrubya thinks of his own name:
http://home.mchsi.com/~beyondbelief/bushsignsflag.jpg
Ummmm.....this thread is about Giuliani?

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/giuliani_in_drag.jpg

One more time:

http://wnd.com/images2/rudy2.jpg

Oh, criminy - i had gotten the inference that there was a correlation 'twixt electability and transvestitism, and i thought it pertinent to post a few examples so Rudy wouldn't be so isolated.

To be fair, he seems to know how to accessorize.
To bad he's anti-weasel. Fuck him for that.

One more time:

http://wnd.com/images2/rudy2.jpg

He could probably dress like that every day and not scare off any of the base, should someone like Hillary win the nomination. :p I think he'd take it. ;)

I think he'd take it. ;)

From the looks of it, i think he could take a LOT of it.

To bad he's anti-weasel.

A self-loathing politician?

Giuliani is an idiot. No way am I going to vote for him.

A self-loathing politician?

Isn't that really part-and-parcel?

Seriously, though ... weasels got the bad end of that rap. They're pretty straightforward, even when they're mischievous and cunning.
And they're cute. Most politicians aren't.

I don't think i have the wherewithal to keep the defense up for weasels, but i guess i'll speak up where i need to. :(

http://thunderatdeathcorps.250free.com/Fuzzyworld/images/ferrets.JPG
http://photos10.flickr.com/16346725_7011de3812_b.jpg
http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~ssiu/family/images/ferrets_water.jpg

Isn't that really part-and-parcel?

I don't know. Most politicians seem to like themselves a lot more than I like them.

Seriously, though ... weasels got the bad end of that rap. They're pretty straightforward, even when they're mischievous and cunning.
And they're cute. Most politicians aren't.

Agreed. If an actual weasel ran in 2008, I can't say for sure that I'd vote for it, but I'd at least take a good look at its platform.

I don't know. Most politicians seem to like themselves a lot more than I like them.
Can't say as i'm an expert, but i have a STRONG suspicion that it's a matter of playing averages. *nods emphatically*
Perhaps it's like the Jim Bakker Syndrome.


Agreed. If an actual weasel ran in 2008, I can't say for sure that I'd vote for it, but I'd at least take a good look at its platform.

You might be in luck. Here's one working on it's "grass-roots campaign" and blog.
http://www.risawn.com/blog/ferrets4.jpg

Here's another one establishing its platform and running VP.
http://home.netcom.com/~snormand/4Fer02.jpg