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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/24/wsuicide124.xml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Mehsud

I find it interesting that he WAS a member fighting on the side of the Taliban prior to his detention at Guantanamo.

And, curiously, he was released...

Was the release just fair-mindedness? After all, we didn't imprison every Taliban we captured...

Was the release meant to allow us to track him (and perhaps others) to where the Taliban and al-Q hold their knife-sharpening parties?

Or was he some sort of Manchurian Candidate? Brainwashed to be a mole within the Taliban?

I find it interesting that he WAS a member fighting on the side of the Taliban prior to his detention at Guantanamo.

You seem surprised at that.

And, curiously, he was released...

Was the release just fair-mindedness? After all, we didn't imprison every Taliban we captured...

Was the release meant to allow us to track him (and perhaps others) to where the Taliban and al-Q hold their knife-sharpening parties?


Could be that the US military got all the intel it could from him, he lost his use to them and the plonked him back in the region. Since he wasn't attacking the US anymore he simply didn't register on their radar - read: "not our problem". Attacking Pakistan wouldn't be an issue so long as he didn't touch the US military.

That, or an administrative error.

The latter wouldn't surprise me.

You seem surprised at that.

Considering that when I log on here, everyone claims that EVERY person at Guantanamo is an innocent farmer rounded up by bad ol' bounty hunters for no reason at all...

Not that they ever provide links to prove it...

But no, I'm just being sarcastic.

Considering that when I log on here, everyone claims that EVERY person at Guantanamo is an innocent farmer rounded up by bad ol' bounty hunters for no reason at all...

Not that they ever provide links to prove it...

But no, I'm just being sarcastic.

Drift nets catch a lot of things in the sea along with the tuna you're looking for.

Drift nets catch a lot of things in the sea along with the tuna you're looking for.

Dolphins? Those arn't dolphins, they are tuna in disguises!

Dolphins? Those arn't dolphins, they are tuna in disguises!

You can't say it's tuna until they've had a fair trial.

He looks like a bit of a fatty for a hard bitten mountain warrior. Food must be pretty good at GITMO I suppose.

He looks like a bit of a fatty for a hard bitten mountain warrior. Food must be pretty good at GITMO I suppose.

They feed them twice the calorie intake that soldiers in Iraq get.

Must be why the Pakistanis caught him - too fucking fat to run away.

I'm not surprised - and this should be another nail in the coffin of Guantanamo. If he was a militant and they release him that's just proof of the incompetence that is ever present when it comes to the handling of the prison camp and the prisoners there.

Was he an active combatant when he got to the camp, then why didn't he get a trial? Why was he released?

What treatment did he recieve to make him take up arms after his release, if he wasn't a combatant before Guantanamo?

And why isn't his name on the official list of detainees? Are there other names missing?

Considering that when I log on here, everyone claims that EVERY person at Guantanamo is an innocent farmer rounded up by bad ol' bounty hunters for no reason at all...
Link it.

Not that they ever provide links to prove it...
See? Maybe they've learned from you.

They feed them twice the calorie intake that soldiers in Iraq get.
I might have to doubt that. I've heard what is in MREs.

Those Pakistani prisons must be really fucking bad if he would rather blow himself up, but no one gives a shit about maltreatment unless the Americans do it. :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised - and this should be another nail in the coffin of Guantanamo. If he was a militant and they release him that's just proof of the incompetence that is ever present when it comes to the handling of the prison camp and the prisoners there.

Was he an active combatant when he got to the camp, then why didn't he get a trial? Why was he released?

What treatment did he recieve to make him take up arms after his release, if he wasn't a combatant before Guantanamo?

And why isn't his name on the official list of detainees? Are there other names missing?


Link it.

See? Maybe they've learned from you.

It says in the article that he was a fighter with the Taliban before.

That's how he lost his leg.

There were many captured Taliban that we didn't take to Guantanamo - probably took him because he was fairly high ranking and might have some useful information.

I might have to doubt that. I've heard what is in MREs.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-10-03-guantanamo-weight_x.htm

Not quite twice, but 4200 calories a day is a LOT.

You might have to eat more than a couple of Burger King Whopper's to get that many calories down.

There were many captured Taliban that we didn't take to Guantanamo - probably took him because he was fairly high ranking and might have some useful information.
...or Abdul Rashid Dostum might have handed him over to settle a personal score. Who knows?

He didn't become high ranking before after his release.

...or Abdul Rashid Dostum might have handed him over to settle a personal score. Who knows?

He didn't become high ranking until after his release.

Maybe you believe we should hold him until we could try him?

Or do you think it's more fair that we just released him?

Maybe you believe we should hold him until we could try him?

Or do you think it's more fair that we just released him?

Do it properly. He should have been defined as a prisoner of war or as a criminal. Once that had been done, we could have found out what to do with him.

That didn't happen though.

Instead, he was held and not entered into the official list of detainees. You have to take the word of government sources that he was held there. Nobody knows why he was released.

So due to the secrecy, I cannot answer your question. All we know is that the result is that the government failed. Again.

Do it properly. He should have been defined as a prisoner of war or as a criminal. Once that had been done, we could have found out what to do with him.

That didn't happen though.

Instead, he was held and not entered into the official list of detainees. You have to take the word of government sources that he was held there. Nobody knows why he was released.

So due to the secrecy, I cannot answer your question. All we know is that the result is that the government failed. Again.

Define failure.

I didn't see him doing anything in the US. If he wants to fuck with Pakistan, or some Chinese dumb enough to go there, that's their fucking problem.

Ah, so he was so angry at being held in Guantanamo, that he killed some Chinese... love that.

Define failure.

I didn't see him doing anything in the US. If he wants to fuck with Pakistan, or some Chinese dumb enough to go there, that's their fucking problem.

Ah, so he was so angry at being held in Guantanamo, that he killed some Chinese... love that.

Failure: While claiming that detainees at Guantanamo pose a severe security risk and defining them as “unlawful enemy combatants” who may, according to Administration officials, be held indefinitely without trial or even were they eventually acquitted by a military tribunal, then failing to add the name of a detained individual to the official list of detainees and releasing said individual with an increased animosity towards the US and its allies, leading the individual to commit acts of aggression towards the US and/or its allies and civilians of any nationality.


Hmm. I forgot about your feelings on this subject. I knew you don't like muslims, but deriving pleasure that a chinese individual was killed is new (though hardly surprising in your case).