NationStates Jolt Archive

Absolutely not. RFID tags in humans should be implanted only with the recipients consent and should only be used for legitimately beneficial purposes, medical or other, not surveillance.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070724075657.4w2f978g&show_article=1

And then who will they chip?

So, will other people carry around a chip reading wand?

"Hey, this thing says you're HIV positive..."

I think it's stupid. Who says they'll stop there?

(BTW, I have no problem with an employer chipping employees for their line of work - a job is not a Constitutional right - but I have a problem with the government chipping people, especially against their will).

Didn't they say the reason it spreads so much is because the person spreading it doesn't know they're a carrier? Is everyone going to be tested? Logically faulty from the start.

Absolutely not. RFID tags in humans should be implanted only with the recipients consent and should only be used for legitimately beneficial purposes, medical or other, not surveillance.

I can see it being used for people on Parole... granted it should be removed after the parole is up.

What about Sex Offenders? Should they be chipped also (seeing that they already are registered on a web site that has their picture, address and whatnot on it. )

Didn't they say the reason it spreads so much is because the person spreading it doesn't know they're a carrier? Is everyone going to be tested? Logically faulty from the start.

It suggests to me that they'll be testing everyone they can lay their hands on.

I can see it being used for people on Parole... granted it should be removed after the parole is up.

What about Sex Offenders? Should they be chipped also (seeing that they already are registered on a web site that has their picture, address and whatnot on it. )

What we do to sex offenders in this country ought to be reexamined under cruel and unusual punishment, since they never actually finish their sentences now. If we as a society decide that sex offenders need to be removed from society since they're a constant danger to children, then we need to just fucking do it--up the sentence for child rape to life in prison with no chance for parole. But enough of this "you can only live in designated spots" bullshit. If you've done your sentence, you've paid the debt you owe society and you're supposed to be free and clear. Recently, in Miami, there were 4 parolees living under a goddamn bridge because there was literally nowhere else in the city where they could live and not be in violation of their probation.

"If we can put a man on the moon, we can put a man with AIDS on the moon. And someday, we'll put everyone with AIDS on the moon."

I think the government wants to RFID everything on two legs ...

We should implant such a device in all US citizens; it should contain various data, including birth-date, fingerprint information, eye color, criminal record, etc. We could use it as an anti-crime tool and to prevent illegal immigration, as well as protecting the healthy from the diseased.

We should implant such a device in all US citizens; it should contain various data, including birth-date, fingerprint information, eye color, criminal record, etc. We could use it as an anti-crime tool and to prevent illegal immigration, as well as protecting the healthy from the diseased.

To quote Dredd, 'I knew you'd say that.'

We should implant such a device in all US citizens; it should contain various data, including birth-date, fingerprint information, eye color, criminal record, etc. We could use it as an anti-crime tool and to prevent illegal immigration, as well as protecting the healthy from the diseased.

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To quote Dredd, 'I knew you'd say that.'

Yes, well, I don't attempt to hide my political views. I put them well out in the open, unafraid of liberal retribution.

We should implant such a device in all US citizens; it should contain various data, including birth-date, fingerprint information, eye color, criminal record, etc. We could use it as an anti-crime tool and to prevent illegal immigration, as well as protecting the healthy from the diseased.

Great, so I can walk past you with laptop or PDA, scan your RFID chip and know who are exactly.

Great, so I can walk past you with laptop or PDA, scan your RFID chip and know who are exactly.

No; it should be encrypted in such a way as to only be deciphered by the government.

No; it should be encrypted in such a way as to only be deciphered by the government.

Yeah, the government's never been hacked before - right!
Every encryption scheme ever developed will be broken.

No; it should be encrypted in such a way as to only be deciphered by the government.

Who will protect you from your protector's gun?

Who will protect you from your protector's gun?

And who's fault is it if the F&G's RFID chip goes faulty - resulting in F&G getting thrown out the USA for being an illegal alien? :p

What we do to sex offenders in this country ought to be reexamined under cruel and unusual punishment, since they never actually finish their sentences now. If we as a society decide that sex offenders need to be removed from society since they're a constant danger to children, then we need to just fucking do it--up the sentence for child rape to life in prison with no chance for parole. But enough of this "you can only live in designated spots" bullshit. If you've done your sentence, you've paid the debt you owe society and you're supposed to be free and clear. Recently, in Miami, there were 4 parolees living under a goddamn bridge because there was literally nowhere else in the city where they could live and not be in violation of their probation.and your point is?

Yes, well, I don't attempt to hide my political views. I put them well out in the open, unafraid of intelligent retribution.You know F&G... I may consider myself conservative... but frankly... your thoughts and ideals do scare me.

No; it should be encrypted in such a way as to only be deciphered by the government.*chortle* good luck with that...

And who's fault is it if the F&G's RFID chip goes faulty - resulting in F&G getting thrown out the USA for being an illegal alien? :p

If his chip says he's an illegal immigrant then he's an illegal immigrant. Whatever he thinks his chip said is irrelevant.

and your point is?

Pretty clear. Read it again if you missed it.

AIDS and HIV are a lethal disease with no cure. I for one would feel much safer with mandatory testing for the HIV infected, possibly with segregation for the confirmed infected. AIDS is a horror that needs to be abolished by any means necessary. :mp5:

Pretty clear. Read it again if you missed it.

Oh I got that point. but what's the relationship to using the chips or are you just trying to be argumentative?

We should implant such a device in all US citizens; it should contain various data, including birth-date, fingerprint information, eye color, criminal record, etc. We could use it as an anti-crime tool and to prevent illegal immigration, as well as protecting the healthy from the diseased.

What an insanely, hideously, terrifyingly, retarded and absurd idea.

No; it should be encrypted in such a way as to only be deciphered by the government.

Dude, didn't you see "Live Free or Die Hard"?

Oh I got that point. but what's the relationship to using the chips or are you just trying to be argumentative?

Well, the basic discussion seemed pretty cut and dried to me, so I was trying to liven up the thread a bit. You don't chip people against their will, plain and simple.

To easy to erase RFID data WITHOUT hacking.

Whats the point ;o

Plus most people spreading wouldnt know they have the virus, unless they are complete assholes anyway...

What we do to sex offenders in this country ought to be reexamined under cruel and unusual punishment, since they never actually finish their sentences now. If we as a society decide that sex offenders need to be removed from society since they're a constant danger to children, then we need to just fucking do it--up the sentence for child rape to life in prison with no chance for parole. But enough of this "you can only live in designated spots" bullshit. If you've done your sentence, you've paid the debt you owe society and you're supposed to be free and clear. Recently, in Miami, there were 4 parolees living under a goddamn bridge because there was literally nowhere else in the city where they could live and not be in violation of their probation.

I think that the sentence should give the actual offender one of two choices.

Either a life sentence without parole or the death penalty.

Well, the basic discussion seemed pretty cut and dried to me, so I was trying to liven up the thread a bit. You don't chip people against their will, plain and simple.

ah, for a moment I though you were trying to "start an argument". My sincere apologies. *bows*

I've been against that Megans Law website because if the person is trying to make an honest attempt to change, having his past mistakes dragged up by others is counter productive.

I mean, if they are going to use the idea of "people should know who's living next to them." then they should include drug offenders, Alcoholics, Theifs, People with Violent histories, etc...

I would rather know if I have a drug pusher/kidnapper living next to me than a sex offender.

Having chips put in people is a terrible idea. I don't care about all the so called benefits, they are lies put in place to lull the public into giving up all freedom. I'd rather die than have a damned chip in me.

AIDS and HIV are a lethal disease with no cure. I for one would feel much safer with mandatory testing for the HIV infected, possibly with segregation for the confirmed infected. AIDS is a horror that needs to be abolished by any means necessary. :mp5:

You put the lime in the coconut and drink em both together, put the lime in the coconut and you feel better.

You such a silly woman!



Call me in the morning I'll tell you what to do...

To easy to erase RFID data WITHOUT hacking.

Whats the point ;o

Plus most people spreading wouldnt know they have the virus, unless they are complete assholes anyway...

Change your own RFID chip so you become GW Bush, that will totally stuff them.

You want creepy?

Find someone who looks like you. Beat them unconscious. Find their chip with a RFID wand. Cut it out of them with a big knife. Wash it. Pop it under your tongue. Go rob a bank.

You wouldn't even need to be able to read, let alone hack encryption.

Yeah, the government's never been hacked before - right!
Every encryption scheme ever developed will be broken.

What if they develop an encryption scheme based off Bushevik Doublethink?

Yes, well, I don't attempt to hide my political views. I put them well out in the open, unafraid of liberal retribution.

Not to mention conservative retribution, libertarian, greens, socialist, anarchist, communist, populist, third-way... in fact, I think you make Stalinists and fascists feel a little uncomfortable.

And who's fault is it if the F&G's RFID chip goes faulty - resulting in F&G getting thrown out the USA for being an illegal alien? :p

I don't know, but I think that's the single best argument I've heard for mandatory RFIDs.

Who will protect you from your protector's gun?

Who watches the Watchmen?

Wait until someone comes up with reprogrammable RFIDs.

Wait until someone comes up with reprogrammable RFIDs.

Give it a couple years...I seriously doubt it's that difficult.

Give it a couple years...I seriously doubt it's that difficult.

Before the program was even implemented, I guarantee you there would be a raging black market in RFID chips.

Who watches the Watchmen?

Security cameras watched by other watchmen who hopefully have more job appreciation.

Security cameras watched by other watchmen who hopefully have more job appreciation.

"Quite simple really. It is all controlled by a netverk of com-puter-z, vich being ... mech-anical devices, are in-capable of any error." -- Dr. Strangelove.

Great, so I can walk past you with laptop or PDA, scan your RFID chip and know who are exactly.
No, you should able to walk past F&G with laptop, scan his RFID chip, hack into it and make him cluck like a chicken.
Also, change it so it shows his name up as Osama Bin F&G.

Who watches the Watchmen?
It's been made into a movie?
since when?

Who watches the Watchmen?


Who polices the police?

Internal affairs, and citizen police commissions.

You were expecting, "no one"?

No, I wasn't expecting anything.

Who polices the police?

Internal affairs, and citizen police commissions.

You were expecting, "no one"?

Internal affairs, and citizen police commissions.

You were expecting, "no one"?

Given the state of the thread, I was expecting "teh Ailyens!!!!111"

Who guards the guards?