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My girlfriend works at a summer camp for academically talented youth, ranging in age from about 12-16. She tells me a LOT of messed up things about that place, from the crazy-PC administration (international students are SCOLDED for talking about their heritage because it's not "inclusive") to the overprotective or downright deluded parents. But one incident in particular highlights the absurdity of our society's increasing tendency to simply give in to the demands of children for fear of otherwise "scarring" them.

This did not happen in her class or with one of her students. While I was visiting her, the academic dean shared this story with us.

One day, a young man excused himself from class as if to go to the bathroom. But that's not where he went. Instead, he calmly stood outside of the classroom and masturbated in the hall. A staff member caught him in the act.

His explanation? His parents told him that masturbation is "perfectly normal" (okay so far)... and that he should "feel free to do it whenever and wherever he wants."

The "solution"? The camp agreed to give the boy an extra ten minutes alone in his room, after the other children had gone to class, to masturbate. As per camp policy, of course, students may not wander the campus alone: someone has to escort them everywhere. Usually they go in groups, with instructors and RAs escorting each class. But to accomodate some "official" masturbation time, the academic dean was assigned to make a special trip each day to escort the boy after he finished. In fact, if the dean knocked on the door and the student was not "ready" yet, his superiors instructed him simply to wait outside until he'd finished.

Now, seriously... WTF?

If you want to start an anti-PC conservative circlejerk, their are more subtle ways to go about it I am afraid.

Oh if only that were national policy in US public schools.

I'd applaud.

Spankin' it isn't just a hobby, it's a way of life.

If you want to start an anti-PC conservative circlejerk, their are more subtle ways to go about it I am afraid.That certainly wasn't my intention!

If that's what it looks like, I must be more tired than I thought! :eek:

I'm all for speech and conduct codes to the extent that they discourage or prohibit bigotry, preventing hurtful incidents and promoting diversity.

But some of this stuff is actually counter-productive. When an Asian student expresses himself by drawing a rice-bowl and he's told that's "not appropriate," the goal of acceptance winds up in denial of the actual diversity to accept: everyone is supposed to be the same, so being different is prohibited.

Unless, of course, the "difference" is that you're a chronic masturbator.

My girlfriend works at a summer camp for academically talented youth, ranging in age from about 12-16. She tells me a LOT of messed up things about that place, from the crazy-PC administration (international students are SCOLDED for talking about their heritage because it's not "inclusive") to the overprotective or downright deluded parents.

How is that PC? The PC thing to do would be to encourage multiculturalism by encouraging them to talk about their home-countries. I wish someone would actually define Political Correctness instead of just invoking it as some sort of bogey-man.

Anyway, I'll stop hijacking your thread now. :p

they must be charging an enormous fee to attend the camp and not want the kids to have anything to complain about when they get home.

wouldnt want mummy and daddy to not send junior there again next year because some mean man told him to jerk off in private like everyone else does.

The song "Strokin'" comes to mind....

While Masturbation IS normal... doing it in public is decidedly not. He should have recieved some kind of admonishment, not a special privelage! Thats just reinforcing a mistake made by the child's parents. When you are explaining things to children you have to be specific; telling them that when and where they want to is a bad idea...

The song "Strokin'" comes to mind....

While Masturbation IS normal... doing it in public is decidedly not. He should have recieved some kind of admonishment, not a special privelage! Thats just reinforcing a mistake made by the child's parents. When you are explaining things to children you have to be specific; telling them that when and where they want to is a bad idea...

the kid may have just been being passive-aggressive.

its not out of the question but i very much doubt that his parent put up with him jerking off at the dinner table.

I do have an opinion about this, but gimme 10 minutes to wax my dolphin.

THANKS

How is that PC? The PC thing to do would be to encourage multiculturalism by encouraging them to talk about their home-countries.I agree completely. That's my point. I wish someone would actually define Political Correctness instead of just invoking it as some sort of bogey-man.The point is that the people running this camp think of themselves as politically correct. They think they are doing things to encourage multiculturalism. But that's not really what they are doing.

Ten minutes ? How will the boy develop any stamina if he has to make it quickies all the time ?

I pity his girlfriends...

I agree completely. That's my point. The point is that the people running this camp think of themselves as politically correct. They think they are doing things to encourage multiculturalism. But that's not really what they are doing.

Is there a camp for dumb people who think they're smart?

Is there a camp for dumb people who think they're smart?

Yes .... MENSA.

The odd thing is, he seems to have realised that the classroom is not the appropriate place for masturbation, and he even felt the need to lie aobut where he was going. Why would he have done that if he really believed that it's ok to masturbate whereever and whenever he wants?

I've got a distinct feeling he let himself get caught, and is having such a laugh at the staff of that school....

Yes .... MENSA.

Ok, let me rephrase that. A camp for ignorant people who think they're knowledgeable. Typically adults. There are schools for kids.

Yes .... MENSA.
He shoots... he scores!

The odd thing is, he seems to have realised that the classroom is not the appropriate place for masturbation, and he even felt the need to lie aobut where he was going. Why would he have done that if he really believed that it's ok to masturbate whereever and whenever he wants?My impression was that the advice to do it "anywhere" was not taken literally to mean wherever he happened to be standing at the moment. And I don't think he lied about going to the bathroom; as I heard the story, it seemed that he had simply stepped outside and that's where the instructor assumed he went.

Either way, the camp's response is ridiculous.

Either way, the camp's response is ridiculous.

Not entirely. Stimulating a healthy look towards sex, masturbation and ones own body can be a sensible thing.
They should however provide lessons to let him - and other students - do it right ;)

Ten minutes ? How will the boy develop any stamina if he has to make it quickies all the time ?

I pity his girlfriends...

I don't think that has anything to do with stamina. I mean, I can do it myself in 5 minutes or make it last up to an hour and a half with someone else.[/TMI]

My girlfriend works at a summer camp for academically talented youth, ranging in age from about 12-16. She tells me a LOT of messed up things about that place, from the crazy-PC administration (international students are SCOLDED for talking about their heritage because it's not "inclusive") to the overprotective or downright deluded parents. But one incident in particular highlights the absurdity of our society's increasing tendency to simply give in to the demands of children for fear of otherwise "scarring" them.

This did not happen in her class or with one of her students. While I was visiting her, the academic dean shared this story with us.

One day, a young man excused himself from class as if to go to the bathroom. But that's not where he went. Instead, he calmly stood outside of the classroom and masturbated in the hall. A staff member caught him in the act.

His explanation? His parents told him that masturbation is "perfectly normal" (okay so far)... and that he should "feel free to do it whenever and wherever he wants."

The "solution"? The camp agreed to give the boy an extra ten minutes alone in his room, after the other children had gone to class, to masturbate. As per camp policy, of course, students may not wander the campus alone: someone has to escort them everywhere. Usually they go in groups, with instructors and RAs escorting each class. But to accomodate some "official" masturbation time, the academic dean was assigned to make a special trip each day to escort the boy after he finished. In fact, if the dean knocked on the door and the student was not "ready" yet, his superiors instructed him simply to wait outside until he'd finished.

Now, seriously... WTF?

Ok. PC is okay in some cases, but these idiots are taking it way too far. I wank too. I'm a proud wanker. But I don't expect people to give me extra time to fap. If I want to fap, I do it when I can make time.

Ten minutes ? How will the boy develop any stamina if he has to make it quickies all the time ?

I pity his girlfriends...

Lolz. He's Speedy Gonzales. Andale, andale! Arrrrriba!

Not entirely. Stimulating a healthy look towards sex, masturbation and ones own body can be a sensible thing.
They should however provide lessons to let him - and other students - do it right ;)Good point. It's amazing how many people don't know how to play with themselves properly.

Lolz. He's Speedy Gonzales. Andale, andale! Arrrrriba!And the solution is so obvious.. Just teach his class about friction burns :D

God how I hate political correctness...I tell you, it's one of those things that really pisses me off.

And what the hell? The kid was allowed special masturbation time? I don't think so, buddy!

The obvious solution is to make an official masturbation time: for everyone.

Though I guess some of the parents probably wouldn't like that much.

Hmmm now to decide which is worse, Jesus Camp or this.

And the solution is so obvious.. Just teach his class about friction burns :D

Who knew physics could be so useful? :D

Welcome to America!

Hmmm now to decide which is worse, Jesus Camp or this.

Jesus camp. Those people reproduce ;)

Jesus camp. Those people reproduce ;)

Yea, but they will reproduce too and they'll reproduce more "gray" clone where it's bad to be different and everyone is the same because if you're different someone might get offended and we wouldn't want that, oh no, we can't have little Johnny's feeling hurt because of some lame absurd reason. Nevermind the fact that little Johnny is going to be a pump jockey anyways and we're just delaying the inevitable crash of his pathetic existence. But for right now, he can feel good because we dare not to offend him.

*takes deep breath*

Yea, but they will reproduce too and they'll reproduce more "gray" clone where it's bad to be different and everyone is the same because if you're different someone might get offended and we wouldn't want that, oh no, we can't have little Johnny's feeling hurt because of some lame absurd reason. Nevermind the fact that little Johnny is going to be a pump jockey anyways and we're just delaying the inevitable crash of his pathetic existence. But for right now, he can feel good because we dare not to offend him.

*takes deep breath*
Hence why I hate political correctness. The basic idea is sound, but in practice it just creates far more problems than it solves.

Hence why I hate political correctness. The basic idea is sound, but in practice it just creates far more problems than it solves.

Eh personally I would rather everyone be as brutally honest as I am and actually want to be different and realize that the 'good' feeling they get comes from actually doing something and accomplishing something, not because the teachers don't dare offend the child for they my scar him.

Parents and teachers have become wimps.

Hence why I hate political correctness.

"Political correctness" does not mean "everyone is the same."

Eh personally I would rather everyone be as brutally honest as I am

Ah, but when we are, we are "oversensitive"... or perhaps "flaunting ourselves."

and actually want to be different

And the point of political correctness is to protect that.

and realize that the 'good' feeling they get comes from actually doing something and accomplishing something

Generally not being excluded, subordinated, and treated as if you are not there helps.

Yea, but they will reproduce too

Nah. They will just continue to masturbate ;)

Yes .... MENSA.

*kicks*

Nah. They will just continue to masturbate ;)

LOL! Oh that's good, I tip my hat to you sir.

It must suck to be an american.

You have to be costantly, 24/7 worrying about being sued, lawyers and people trying to take away your money because you "ofended their rights".

Ah, but when we are, we are "oversensitive"... or perhaps "flaunting ourselves."

So? I'm brutally honest all the time, I never lie (not even a white lie) and some people seem to appreciate that, and some people don't, and really I don't care what they think.

And the point of political correctness is to protect that.

No the point of PC is to protect everyone's feelings so that everyone is stupidly happy without realizing the roughness of life. Sooner or later those raised in the PC atmosphere will realize that life is indeed hard, and life is NOT PC, and the sooner they realize that the better off they'll be.

Generally not being excluded, subordinated, and treated as if you are not there helps.

It really doesn't help when you're punished for being different, or doing something because it's your heritage, background or related to your religion, because God forbid that you're different and somehow upset the other kids because they aren't different or unique. This whole "spare the feeling" crap is that, crap, so throw it out the window.

Plus, I like it when new culture comes into my settings, espically those from Asia.

So? I'm brutally honest all the time,

You missed my point.

"Brutal honesty" requires, for some of us, not tacitly accepting it when people use racist, homophobic, or sexist speech... but when we do, we are not challenging PC, but enforcing it.

But apparently the "brutal honesty" of bigots is more important to you than the brutal honesty of those of us who hate bigotry.

really I don't care what they think.

Doubtful... virtually everyone does, however much many people like denying it.

No the point of PC is to protect everyone's feelings so that everyone is stupidly happy without realizing the roughness of life.

What on Earth are you talking about?

life is NOT PC

No... but the point of PC is to make it more so.

It really doesn't help when you're punished for being different, or doing something because it's your heritage, background or related to your religion, because God forbid that you're different and somehow upset the other kids because they aren't different or unique. This whole "spare the feeling" crap is that, crap, so throw it out the window.

Plus, I like it when new culture comes into my settings, espically those from Asia.

You seem to be under the impression that I am defending the action of the camp... I am not. I am defending political correctness, which, as others have pointed out, is hardly in accordance with the camp's actions.

It must suck to be an american.

You have to be costantly, 24/7 worrying about being sued, lawyers and people trying to take away your money because you "ofended their rights".

It must suck to not know when to capitalize proper names, spell, and to make wild assumptions about others in order to go for the ignorant cheap shot.

Who worries about getting sued because you 'ofended their rights' (sic)? How can you offend people's rights?
Stop being silly.

My girlfriend works at a summer camp for academically talented youth, ranging in age from about 12-16. She tells me a LOT of messed up things about that place, from the crazy-PC administration (international students are SCOLDED for talking about their heritage because it's not "inclusive") to the overprotective or downright deluded parents. But one incident in particular highlights the absurdity of our society's increasing tendency to simply give in to the demands of children for fear of otherwise "scarring" them.

This did not happen in her class or with one of her students. While I was visiting her, the academic dean shared this story with us.

One day, a young man excused himself from class as if to go to the bathroom. But that's not where he went. Instead, he calmly stood outside of the classroom and masturbated in the hall. A staff member caught him in the act.

His explanation? His parents told him that masturbation is "perfectly normal" (okay so far)... and that he should "feel free to do it whenever and wherever he wants."

The "solution"? The camp agreed to give the boy an extra ten minutes alone in his room, after the other children had gone to class, to masturbate. As per camp policy, of course, students may not wander the campus alone: someone has to escort them everywhere. Usually they go in groups, with instructors and RAs escorting each class. But to accomodate some "official" masturbation time, the academic dean was assigned to make a special trip each day to escort the boy after he finished. In fact, if the dean knocked on the door and the student was not "ready" yet, his superiors instructed him simply to wait outside until he'd finished.

Now, seriously... WTF?

Lucky bastard.

LOL! Oh that's good, I tip my hat to you sir.

*steals hat*

"Political correctness" does not mean "everyone is the same."

Of course it doesn't. This is simply an extreme case of political correctness going too far, as it always does.

Look, I like the basic idea. I want people to be more polite and the like, but political correctness doesn't make people more polite. It just makes them hide their real opinions. I'd rather know where someone stands than to hear falsehoods.

I saw an extremely appropriate picture yesterday, and now I can't find it. :(

Spankin' it isn't just a hobby, it's a way of life.

Best… slogan… ever… :D

I hate this new "everyone should be happy. Please don't sue us." culture going around. Believe it or not, in the United States, if someone hurts themselves on your property, they CAN sue you and easily win. Why is it so easy? Because people in juries usually don't want to be there and will do almost anything to get out as soon as possible. That's why some places are like this camp. Because they can get sued for almost anything and likely lose their money.

PC isn't just about celebrating diversity. It can also be about punishing those who "aren't diverse". Asian kid enjoying Asian heritage? What, are the Mexicans too dirty for him? Is the French culture too smelly and cheese-infested? Can't the Sub-Saharan African cultures be enjoyed too? White kid celebrating his proud European heritage? He might burn crosses on black people's lawns if he isn't also celebrating African cultures. A Brazilian is unhappy? We better make him happy at all costs because his parents might have lawyers and lawyers love suing people into the poor house.

Frankly, I don't like people lying to me. If someone's a racist, I better damn know. I think I might be paranoid because I often hate getting compliments. It makes me think they are humoring me because I suck.

Frankly, I don't like people lying to me. If someone's a racist, I better damn know. I think I might be paranoid because I often hate getting compliments. It makes me think they are humoring me because I suck.

That is such a good point. Let's all give Hoyteca a round of applause for his inspiring and insightful post.

:D :p

Feeling paranoid now?

Why didn't they just tell him to whack off in his own time? Ker-azy.

That is such a good point. Let's all give Hoyteca a round of applause for his inspiring and insightful post.

:D :p

Feeling paranoid now?

It doesn't work when you make it so obvious. Maybe the internet is eating your brain or something.

It doesn't work when you make it so obvious. Maybe the internet is eating your brain or something.Point taken ;)

I hate this new "everyone should be happy. Please don't sue us." culture going around. Believe it or not, in the United States, if someone hurts themselves on your property, they CAN sue you and easily win. Why is it so easy? Because people in juries usually don't want to be there and will do almost anything to get out as soon as possible. That's why some places are like this camp. Because they can get sued for almost anything and likely lose their money.

It's these idiots who can sue. Before you sue, they need some kind of test to make sure you're not being an ass and abusing the system.

I like that policy - it ought to be implemented in schools nationwide. Ten to fifteen minutes, everyday, set aside purely for beating the meat? Sounds fun to me.

I like that policy - it ought to be implemented in schools nationwide. Ten to fifteen minutes, everyday, set aside purely for beating the meat? Sounds fun to me.

I don't know. Many religious boys and just about all girls don't like the idea of rubbing their penises in school. It could be that God only invented sex as a means of people creating more people, thereby making his job easier and rubbing one's penis is sexual. As for girls, it could be a hormonal thing, a cultural thing, or the fact that girls don't have penises. They have an inny and, depending on age, zero or two outies in the upper body.

As for me, I don't rub my dick. It only makes me want sexual intercourse more and there are times when such acts are impossible, such as when I'm by myself.

"Political correctness" does not mean "everyone is the same."No, and that's the problem.

When a child talks about his heritage (and there are a LOT of international students, especially Asian), instructors quickly chide him, "That not [name of camp] appropriate!" If a sentence begins, "In Korea, we..."--no good.

Of course, the real hypocrisy is that American culture is such a "given" that Americans need not be scolded. If an American student draws a hamburger, that's not "culture" it's just "what he likes for supper." If a Chinese student draws a bowl of rice, however, that's somehow offensive.

Makes no sense to me.

You have to be costantly, 24/7 worrying about being sued, lawyers and people trying to take away your money because you "ofended their rights".Yep, that's the excuse.

I was told that a team of "pro-active" lawyers came in to tell them how to do everything possible to avoid a lawsuit under any circumstance.

In an unrelated story, last night a child went missing at said camp, and the incompetent buffoons who run the place called the wrong parents. They told one mother that her child was missing when in fact she wasn't... and the mother whose daughter really was missing never heard.

Makes no sense to me.

Is there an official reason? Just "to promote inclusion" or some such?

Yep, that's the excuse.

I was told that a team of "pro-active" lawyers came in to tell them how to do everything possible to avoid a lawsuit under any circumstance.

In an unrelated story, last night a child went missing at said camp, and the incompetent buffoons who run the place called the wrong parents. They told one mother that her child was missing when in fact she wasn't... and the mother whose daughter really was missing never heard.

Wow...sounds like they need to shut this place down.

Is there a camp for dumb people who think they're smart?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/whmo/camp-david.html

You realize that Political Correctness and Multiculturalism is a liberal thing, not a conservative one.

In regards to the story, however, that's pretty sick.

Is there an official reason? Just "to promote inclusion" or some such?Yes, that's the official reason.

Whatever happened to the summer camp that was six weeks of purgatory in the north woods of Maine? (Tabbing round Baxter State Park in the pouring rain, shit food, living in cabin tents, campfire sing alongs, and such).

It's been so long I don't remember what masturbation feels like.:fluffle:

My girlfriend works at a summer camp for academically talented youth, ranging in age from about 12-16. She tells me a LOT of messed up things about that place, from the crazy-PC administration (international students are SCOLDED for talking about their heritage because it's not "inclusive") to the overprotective or downright deluded parents. But one incident in particular highlights the absurdity of our society's increasing tendency to simply give in to the demands of children for fear of otherwise "scarring" them.

This did not happen in her class or with one of her students. While I was visiting her, the academic dean shared this story with us.

One day, a young man excused himself from class as if to go to the bathroom. But that's not where he went. Instead, he calmly stood outside of the classroom and masturbated in the hall. A staff member caught him in the act.

His explanation? His parents told him that masturbation is "perfectly normal" (okay so far)... and that he should "feel free to do it whenever and wherever he wants."

The "solution"? The camp agreed to give the boy an extra ten minutes alone in his room, after the other children had gone to class, to masturbate. As per camp policy, of course, students may not wander the campus alone: someone has to escort them everywhere. Usually they go in groups, with instructors and RAs escorting each class. But to accomodate some "official" masturbation time, the academic dean was assigned to make a special trip each day to escort the boy after he finished. In fact, if the dean knocked on the door and the student was not "ready" yet, his superiors instructed him simply to wait outside until he'd finished.

Now, seriously... WTF?

I feel sorry for all the other kids. If they only knew how easy it was... :)

On the other hand, kudos for the kid for taking it outside. *nod*

This is the most disgusting thing I've ever read on NSG..

*hands cookie while holding back vomit*

This is the most disgusting thing I've ever read on NSG..

*hands cookie while holding back vomit*

You believe masturbation is disgusting ?
Oh dear...

What will be funny is the first time this kid feels the urge to masturbate in public.

"Hey! My parents told me it was OK..."

*police lace his trachea into a reef knot*

What will be funny is the first time this kid feels the urge to masturbate in public.

"Hey! My parents told me it was OK..."

*police lace his trachea into a reef knot*
As amusing as your support and encouragement of blatantly unwarranted police and military brutality is, it gets old fast.

I think it's amusing.

You would.

As amusing as your support and encouragement of blatantly unwarranted police and military brutality is, it gets old fast.

I think it's amusing.

I think it's amusing.

Forgot to sign in with a puppet?

Forgot to sign in with a puppet?
He's his own puppet. Supposedly five different people use the account, I just think he's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.