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In spirit with Smunkees "Movies everyone has to see"-thread, I'm wondering which movies you've been recommended and then just hated, loathed and thought sucked. Go crazy! :cool:

Me, I was really hyped about The Butterfly Effect but when I saw it I couldn't wait for it to end. Poor script, horrible acting(Ashton Kutcher anyone?!) and just plain silly. Please don't kill me for saying this :D

Titanic: A boat sinks, ppl die, DeCrapio shags Katey Winslett.

Sixth sense: he's already dead, you numbskulls!

Titanic: A boat sinks, ppl die, DeCrapio shags Katey Winslett.

Sixth sense: he's already dead, you numbskulls!


Yeah, Titanic was kind of predictable... I mean, I figured out in the beginning that "unsinkable" ship was gonna get it... bleh!

Godfather II

Yeah, Titanic was kind of predictable... I mean, I figured out in the beginning that "unsinkable" ship was gonna get it... bleh!That and the fact that it is one of the most well known maritime disasters of all time.:rolleyes:

The Godfather. It's a good movie, but it's certainly not the greatest ever. Definately overrated.

Apocalypse now. Another good movie - but not a great one.

Shakespear in Love. Fun movie - not Oscar for Best Picture material.

Once Upon a Time in America, Casino, Donnie Brasco and Goodfellas. They're all lacking something. Something important. They were all disappointing.

That and the fact that it is one of the most well known maritime disasters of all time.:rolleyes:

Noo... you don't say... :eek:;)

Little Miss Sunshine.

Someone told me it was the funniest movie of year. So to over top Clerks II and Hot Fuzz must have been one hell of an accomplishment. WRONG! It had its moments, but I rarely broke a 'heh' throughout the movie. Overall it was just so damn boring.

Little Miss Sunshine.

Someone told me it was the funniest movie of year. So to over top Clerks II and Hot Fuzz must have been one hell of an accomplishment. WRONG! It had its moments, but I rarely broke a 'heh' throughout the movie. Overall it was just so damn boring.

LIES!
I thought it was funnier than Clerks II and Hot Fuzz, which I both loved. I've met other people who have the same opinion as you as well as me, so I'm thinking this is a matter of taste and opinion myself.

LIES!
I thought it was funnier than Clerks II and Hot Fuzz, which I both loved. I've met other people who have the same opinion as you as well as me, so I'm thinking this is a matter of taste and opinion myself.

I love dark humor, but the "Porch Monkey" scene alone was funnier than the whole of this movie.

Titanic: A boat sinks, ppl die, DeCrapio shags Katey Winslett.

You forgot THAT song;

"NEAR FAR, WHERE EVER YOU ARE.... *Incomprehensible screech*"


KILL! KILL! ALL MUST DIE FOR THE SINS OF DION!

Once Upon a Time in America
EDIT: I am a fool. A fool and a cad.

2001: A Space Odyssey was a TERRIBLE movie. Not entertaining at all.

*kills Gravlen*

Egads, sah!

What's not to love? Henry Fonda as the bad-ass Frank, after years of playing goddy-goodies. Some of the best dialogue in the history of Westerns, nay, cinema itself:

You're thinking of Once Upon a Time in the West.

You're thinking of Once Upon a Time in the West.
Oh-oh.

Chumblywumbly shows his sub-par reading skills.

Oh-oh.

Chumblywumbly shows his sub-par reading skills.

Nonetheless, you're right ... it's a terrific film.

E.t.

The Village

The Godfather. It's a good movie, but it's certainly not the greatest ever. Definately overrated.

Apocalypse now. Another good movie - but not a great one.

Shakespear in Love. Fun movie - not Oscar for Best Picture material.

Once Upon a Time in America, Casino, Donnie Brasco and Goodfellas. They're all lacking something. Something important. They were all disappointing.
come now - Goodfellas is an awesome movie.
Once Upon a Time in America - the full version or the hack job they did for the US release? Former is great, latter sucks.
Donnie - way over-rated.
Godfather & Apocalypse Now - great movies.
Shakespeare in Love - mindless pap.

The Village
any movie by M. Night Sharlalalalamon or however the hell you say his name

Donnie Darko. Eugh.

any movie by M. Night Sharlalalalamon or however the hell you say his name

only one i've seen by them and want my money back

only one i've seen by them and want my money back
Signs was good. And Sixth Sense was only ruined by the hype surrounding it. However, I agree his latest efforts have been sub-par.

Donnie Darko. Eugh.

Yeah, that was a bad one too... and very, very hyped for some unfatomable reason! Everyone I asked said it was great. It was pure smeg.

Napoleon Dynamite

Napoleon Dynamite

I concur. It sucks.

Napoleon Dynamite

I agree, it sucks and wasn't funny at all. I don't know why people like this dull boring crap.

I concur. It sucks.
*extra concurs with Fass*

I agree, it sucks and wasn't funny at all. I don't know why people like this dull boring crap.
Quite. The next time I see a 'Vote for Pedro' T-shirt, I will be sad. It wasn't funny then. It super isn't now.

Signs was good. And Sixth Sense was only ruined by the hype surrounding it. However, I agree his latest efforts have been sub-par.

hype surrounding the last one made people go see it

Quite. The next time I see a 'Vote for Pedro' T-shirt, I will be sad. It wasn't funny then. It super isn't now.

I'll just set it on fire with the person still wearing the shirt.

Signs was good.
how? Aliens that melt in water decide to attack a planet that's 70% covered in the stuff?
How MacGuffin can you get?!?
(also the asthma saving him from the poisonous gas is pure MacGuffin).

someone needed to get Mel drunk at the start of the movie then tell him the aliens were Jewish. He'd have sorted them out in no time flat.

Quite. The next time I see a 'Vote for Pedro' T-shirt, I will be sad. It wasn't funny then. It super isn't now.
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hype surrounding the last one made people go see it
Hype surrounding Unbreakable? I quite liked that one too.

how? Aliens that melt in water decide to attack a planet that's 70% covered in the stuff?
How MacGuffin can you get?!?
(also the asthma saving him from the poisonous gas is pure MacGuffin).

someone needed to get Mel drunk at the start of the movie then tell him the aliens were Jewish. He'd have sorted them out in no time flat.
OK, so the water thang was silly, but I really liked the way an alien invasion was seen from the eyes of Joe Public, rather than the military battling them in space or something. Also, the whole Fate/Coincidence toss-up was well done.

someone needed to get Mel drunk at the start of the movie then tell him the aliens were Jewish. He'd have sorted them out in no time flat.

Hahahaha! :D

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At least you managed to post that wrong.

Me, I was really hyped about The Butterfly Effect but when I saw it I couldn't wait for it to end. Poor script, horrible acting(Ashton Kutcher anyone?!) and just plain silly. Please don't kill me for saying this :D

Agreed, I also agree that The Village and Napoleon Dynamite where... uck.
I must say I found a Beautiful Mind boring. I wasn't surprised at all my the middle-ish ending.

At least you managed to post that wrong.
He's on a bit of a roll tonight, our Chumbly

At least you managed to post that wrong.
*raspberry*

He's on a bit of a roll tonight, our Chumbly
My skillz are gone!

Hey! Who put this kryptonite here?

I must say I found a Beautiful Mind boring. I wasn't surprised at all my the middle-ish ending.

Well .... it is a true story. Hard to be surprised by a true story. Think of it as Long Day's Journey into Goat.

Back to the topic ...

300 was a ripe slice of poop.

NAPOLEON DYNAMITE

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

EDIT:

Napoleon Dynamite

beaten to it...

I agree, it sucks and wasn't funny at all. I don't know why people like this dull boring crap.

Agreed. It was dull, unhumorous, slow, and dropped my IQ 30 points.

Lost in Translation......WTF! people, I think it's the most horrible movie ever.

also, I figured out "The Sixth Sense" within the first 5 minutes after that point everyone else I was watching it with were really annoying because by the end of the movie they were like "OMG! that was totally not what I thought!"

what did you think people?! really? anyone notice that nobody talked to him but the kid who sees dead people? anyone notice all the red (The Omen??? ring a bell???) my God people, really? seriously?

grr.....

how? Aliens that melt in water decide to attack a planet that's 70% covered in the stuff?
Not to mention all the water in the air.

And you are using MacGuffin wrong I believe.

KILL! KILL! ALL MUST DIE FOR THE SINS OF DION!

Canada: Now Céline Dion-free.

It's rare that reputable critics over-rate bad movies, so I'll go with some that are 'popularly overrated.'

Top of the list has to be "Donnie Darko" with "Equilibrium" on par.

I also think that The Shawshank Redemption, while a good movie, is a bit overrated.

EDIT: I am a fool. A fool and a cad.
Yes, yes you are :p :fluffle:
come now - Goodfellas is an awesome movie.
No, it was not. Mind you, it had some good scenes and a good character, but that was it.

Once Upon a Time in America - the full version or the hack job they did for the US release? Former is great, latter sucks.I never bothered to find out, it sucked so horribly. It was an all out boring piece of crap. I doubt the full version would do anything but prolong the agony.

Godfather & Apocalypse Now - great movies.
I'll stick with "good" :)

Shakespeare in Love - mindless pap.
Indeed.
Donnie Darko. Eugh.
Donnie Darko has never been, as far as I've seen, overrated. When I saw it, it had passed by the cinemas without anybody noticing it. The few people I knew had seen it liked it, and there weren't many of them around.

I still say it's a good movie - but don't watch the Director's cut. It tries to over-explain the movie to death, like we in the audience are stupid sheep who don't understand anything. The theatrical version is all you need, and it's a good movie.
Signs was good. And Sixth Sense was only ruined by the hype surrounding it. However, I agree his latest efforts have been sub-par.
Sixth sense was also good. I watched it before the hype got out, I guess. Signs was the worst piece of drivel that man has made - mind you, I've not seen Lady in the Lake or whatever his latest movie is called yet.
Lost in Translation......WTF! people, I think it's the most horrible movie ever.
You need to see more bad movies then ;)

Every damned Star Wars movie ever made. Seriously...they're all B-movie "LOOKITOURSPECIALEFFECTS!" drivel. Pure boring shit.

I never bothered to find out, it sucked so horribly. It was an all out boring piece of crap. I doubt the full version would do anything but prolong the agony.
The full-length version isn't just longer than the American cinematic release, it's a wholly different film. The American version was rearranged in chronological order, making it boring, incomprehensible, and devoid of much meaning.

I'd highly urge you to watch the 227 minute version; it's a hefty time, but a mighty good film.

Every damned Star Wars movie ever made. Seriously...they're all B-movie "LOOKITOURSPECIALEFFECTS!" drivel. Pure boring shit.
Perhaps the new films, but the original trilogy, especially New Hope is a wonderful fairy tale.

Boy rescues princess from the heart of a fortress, battling with the evil lord of the castle and overcoming danger with his own skills and friendship.

If you think that's boring shit, you might as not read, watch or listen to 75% of Western culture.

You haven't seen Lady in the Water? My advice is: Don't.

That bad? What happens, I thought that it was supposed to be cute bed time story-ish.

Sixth sense was also good. I watched it before the hype got out, I guess. Signs was the worst piece of drivel that man has made - mind you, I've not seen Lady in the Lake or whatever his latest movie is called yet.

You haven't seen Lady in the Water? My advice is: Don't.

Perhaps the new films, but the original trilogy, especially New Hope is a wonderful fairy tale.

Boy rescues princess from the heart of a fortress, battling with the evil lord of the castle and overcoming danger with his own skills and friendship.

If you think that's boring shit, you might as not read, watch or listen to 75% of Western culture.

Sure, the classic tale is simple enough, but the way Star Wars handles it and does it, it's boring as hell.

And I wish people would stop trying to defend Star Wars in that manner. "It's a classic tale!" So what? Just because the tale idea is classic does not mean the presentation must be fantastic. In fact, if anything, because it's so old you should set higher expectations so it's a new twist on the tale, not a boring, trite piece of crap.

Sure, the classic tale is simple enough, but the way Star Wars handles it and does it, it's boring as hell.

And I wish people would stop trying to defend Star Wars in that manner. "It's a classic tale!" So what? Just because the tale idea is classic does not mean the presentation must be fantastic. In fact, if anything, because it's so old you should set higher expectations so it's a new twist on the tale, not a boring, trite piece of crap.
IMHO it does add a new spin on a classic tale, without removing the essential components. But, hey, that's subjective art. :p

The full-length version isn't just longer than the American cinematic release, it's a wholly different film. The American version was rearranged in chronological order, making it boring, incomprehensible, and devoid of much meaning.

I'd highly urge you to watch the 227 minute version; it's a hefty time, but a mighty good film.
Sounds like the one I watched. But, perhaps unfortunately, I'll never see the other version. My mind is made up here, I ain't giving it another chance.
Sure, the classic tale is simple enough, but the way Star Wars handles it and does it, it's boring as hell..
I for one beg to differ. I liked them, they were fun :)

The Passion of the Christ.

Nuf said.

Sure, the classic tale is simple enough, but the way Star Wars handles it and does it, it's boring as hell.

And I wish people would stop trying to defend Star Wars in that manner. "It's a classic tale!" So what? Just because the tale idea is classic does not mean the presentation must be fantastic. In fact, if anything, because it's so old you should set higher expectations so it's a new twist on the tale, not a boring, trite piece of crap.

I will defend the original Star Wars trilogy, but from a different point of view. I would ask you first - how old are you? When did you first see Star Wars, and what was the norm for science fiction films at the time?

To give Star Wars the respect it deserves you have to place it in the context of its time. Nowadays it is nothing special, nor has it been for the last 20 years. However when it was released it was a major step forward in the quality of big screen science fiction. The plot, as you have acknowledged, is a classic, but it was brilliantly adapted to a new setting.

Asking what is special about Star Wars is rather like asking what was special about The Jazz Singer, or Disney's Sleeping Beauty. Today these are rather flat unimpressive films, but without them the cinematographic industry would be completely different.

The Passion of the Christ.

Nuf said.

Spoilers: Jesus dies.

And as for Star Wars...well, I guess it is opinion-based, in the end. I just don't find them all that entertaining or interesting, and I really don't think they deserve the fan base that they do.

But then many people think the same thing of Harry Potter, or Star Trek, or any number of fandoms. It's all opinion, in the end.

I will defend the original Star Wars trilogy, but from a different point of view. I would ask you first - how old are you? When did you first see Star Wars, and what was the norm for science fiction films at the time?

To give Star Wars the respect it deserves you have to place it in the context of its time. Nowadays it is nothing special, nor has it been for the last 20 years. However when it was released it was a major step forward in the quality of big screen science fiction. The plot, as you have acknowledged, is a classic, but it was brilliantly adapted to a new setting.

Asking what is special about Star Wars is rather like asking what was special about The Jazz Singer, or Disney's Sleeping Beauty. Today these are rather flat unimpressive films, but without them the cinematographic industry would be completely different.

You've got a great point, there. I honestly hadn't tried looking at from that perspective.

That doesn't make it all that worthy of note in my mind, though. Yes, it's important from a cinimatic history point of view, but since I'm not exactly in the cinema industry and never intend to be, that point of view is irrelevant in my eyes.

I first saw it when I was three, by the way, and even then it was boring.

You need to see more bad movies then ;)
I have seen a lot of bad movies. My husband has been in a lot of bad movies. They are bad for many reasons, poorly shot? check. bad acting? check. cheesy lines? check. lack of plot? check. trying too hard? check. Lost in Translation has so many problems though, it's hard to look past them all. I can look past the bad acting in Facing the Giants. I can look past the lack of a plot in Fried Green Tomatoes. I can look past the poor shooting style of Jackie Brown. I can even look past the vast majority of cheese-tastic lines in Die Hard. (which I love btw) but Lost in Translation? there is nothing there for me to latch on to, nothing to love, only things to bitch about.

That bad? What happens, I thought that it was supposed to be cute bed time story-ish.

Exactly. Cute bedtime story? Sure, if a little scary. Serious movie for adults? Fail. Epic fail.

Seven Samurai. Sure, it might have inspired a few bits of Western fluff-culture and I loved the final scene ("The farmers have won. Not us"), but that doesn't make the rest of it any less too goddamn long and dull.

Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy;

Not actually that bad, just failed either to follow, or capture the true character, of the book.

Any movie starring/made by:
-Meg Ryan
-Woody Allen
-Adam Sandler
-Kirsten Dunst
-Elijah Wood (except LOTR)
-Famous rap/hip hop/pop stars
-Carmen Electra
-Di Caprio

Oh, and I think the Titanic sucks too.

Donnie Darko. Eugh.

Agree 100%. Someone who I really trusted about movies recommended it to me, to boot. Not very good.

300 was a ripe slice of poop.

Come on now, that one was never supposed to be highbrow. It's a CGI-fest, sort of a 'state-of-the-industry' exposition. I liked it for that. :p

In spirit with Smunkees "Movies everyone has to see"-thread, I'm wondering which movies you've been recommended and then just hated, loathed and thought sucked. Go crazy! :cool:

Me, I was really hyped about The Butterfly Effect but when I saw it I couldn't wait for it to end. Poor script, horrible acting(Ashton Kutcher anyone?!) and just plain silly. Please don't kill me for saying this :D

First to mind: Sin City.
2nd: Armageddon.

The Passion of the Christ.

Nuf said.
urhh...an insipid remake. No way near as funny as the original Monty Python film.

I have seen a lot of bad movies. My husband has been in a lot of bad movies. They are bad for many reasons, poorly shot? check. bad acting? check. cheesy lines? check. lack of plot? check. trying too hard? check. Lost in Translation has so many problems though, it's hard to look past them all.
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Lost in Translation? there is nothing there for me to latch on to, nothing to love, only things to bitch about.
You forgot to mention that Sofia threw every single friggin' cliche she could into the movie. Every scene is a cliche.
every scene.
every fucking scene!

It's one of the few movies that I gave up watching. I'm only pleased I'd bought it in China for $1US, cause that meant I only wasted a buck on that piece on shite.

Anything ever done by either David Lynch or Quentin Tarantino. Horribly overrated.

Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy;

Not actually that bad, just failed either to follow, or capture the true character, of the book.

Good Lord, man, if that's your criterion, there are far more movies to list than just that one.

Not to mention all the water in the air.

And you are using MacGuffin wrong I believe.
depends on your use of MacGuffin.
True, the pure Hitchcockian meaning is a bit different to how I used it. The classic modern-movie MacGuffin would be the briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

But it now has a few uses, and unless there's another word out there that means a sudden, totally unconnected and not previously mentioned development/insight/character strength (or flaw) is used to free the hero, kill the villain and end the movie, I'll continue to use 'MacGuffin'.

depends on your use of MacGuffin.
True, the pure Hitchcockian meaning is a bit different to how I used it. The classic modern-movie MacGuffin would be the briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

But it now has a few uses, and unless there's another word out there that means a sudden, totally unconnected and not previously mentioned development/insight/character strength (or flaw) is used to free the hero, kill the villain and end the movie, I'll continue to use 'MacGuffin'.

Deus ex machina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Just thought of another one:
Saw.

urgh. What a piece of shite. Tries so hard to be scary and spooky and Se7en-ish but just fails miserably. It relies more on 'ohhh..what a yucky way to die' than actual careful plotting or scripting.
The ending was just lame. How could anyone lie unmoving for 6 hours right in front of you?

I have seen a lot of bad movies. My husband has been in a lot of bad movies. They are bad for many reasons, poorly shot? check. bad acting? check. cheesy lines? check. lack of plot? check. trying too hard? check. Lost in Translation has so many problems though, it's hard to look past them all. I can look past the bad acting in Facing the Giants. I can look past the lack of a plot in Fried Green Tomatoes. I can look past the poor shooting style of Jackie Brown. I can even look past the vast majority of cheese-tastic lines in Die Hard. (which I love btw) but Lost in Translation? there is nothing there for me to latch on to, nothing to love, only things to bitch about.

Sorry, but it's one of those perspective things. If you have ever been in anything remotely resembling the Bill Murray character's situation, regardless of gender, that movis is letter perfect.

I'm not saying you haven't the right to dislike it, but your dislike of it is more akin to mine for movies like Terms of Endearment or Pretty Woman. Those movies weren't aimed at me, so I'm not likely to rave. Any man over 30 should completely understand and nod silently at the accuracy of Lost in Translation.

lotr trilogy - too long
matrix - not that cool

Just thought of another one:
Saw.

urgh. What a piece of shite. Tries so hard to be scary and spooky and Se7en-ish but just fails miserably. It relies more on 'ohhh..what a yucky way to die' than actual careful plotting or scripting.
The ending was just lame. How could anyone lie unmoving for 6 hours right in front of you?

I think that's the question everyone was asking afterward. :p

But even if there was a good explanation for that fact, the plot twist wasn't that good. That's a bigger problem.

I think that's the question everyone was asking afterward. :p

But even if there was a good explanation for that fact, the plot twist wasn't that good. That's a bigger problem.
yeah, you're not wrong there.
It felt so much like they'd finished the movie and then decided they needed a plot twist, rather than starting with it and making it a pivotal part of the movie as a whole - like, for instance, the twist at the end of Psycho.

Well .... it is a true story. Hard to be surprised by a true story. Think of it as Long Day's Journey into Goat.

Back to the topic ...

300 was a ripe slice of poop.

300 kicked ass, Persian Ass!!! It can't be overrated if it can introduce the world to "THIS! IS! SPARTA!!!!" in a matter of days. Few enough movies have that straight up, unapologetic gore without somebody mixing in a need for emotional examination somewhere in there.

300 kicked ass, Persian Ass!!! It can't be overrated if it can introduce the world to "THIS! IS! SPARTA!!!!" in a matter of days. Few enough movies have that straight up, unapologetic gore without somebody mixing in a need for emotional examination somewhere in there.

It *was* kinda refreshing to have a war movie without the dozens of obligatory maudlin "war is hell" moments.

Not that I'm pro-war exactly, but it was cool. :p

any movie by M. Night Sharlalalalamon or however the hell you say his name

WHAT A TWIST!

Napoleon Dynamite

Give that man a see-gar!

Give that man a see-gar!
here ya go:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2006/09/Bob_Seger_Keyboard.jpg

I have seen a lot of bad movies. My husband has been in a lot of bad movies. They are bad for many reasons, poorly shot? check. bad acting? check. cheesy lines? check. lack of plot? check. trying too hard? check. Lost in Translation has so many problems though, it's hard to look past them all. I can look past the bad acting in Facing the Giants. I can look past the lack of a plot in Fried Green Tomatoes. I can look past the poor shooting style of Jackie Brown. I can even look past the vast majority of cheese-tastic lines in Die Hard. (which I love btw) but Lost in Translation? there is nothing there for me to latch on to, nothing to love, only things to bitch about.

See--that's what I liked about it. I thought it was a fascinating exploration of what it's like to be stuck in the middle of a place where you have precious little grasp of what's going on, and the only person you can really cling to is fatally flawed (I'm coming from Johansen's POV here). It's one of those films which seems to engender this kind of reaction though--either great fondness or great dislike. Not much of a middle ground.

here ya go:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2006/09/Bob_Seger_Keyboard.jpg

A winner! It's you!

"Chariots of Fire"----The worst movie to ever get "Best Picture" award.

Any of those old "Greatest movies ever". Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane.

On the note of movies tht sucked compared to what people rate them as:

Napolean Dynamite: My life is just as interesting. No, wait. My life is more interesting.

Little Miss Sunshine: Better, funnier, more interesting movie? As stated previously, Clerks II.

Batman & Robin: On a happier note, George Clooney actually did give me back my $7.00. Thanks, George. (Any positive spin on that film is overrating it. Unless you're thankful for its status as a wake up call.)

Fantastic Four: On the other hand, both of the present day films are a hack of a lot better than that Ash-can copy they made a while back.

Deus ex machina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina
yeah, that's the one. I just thought of it now and was going back to edit my post.

Worst lately, "Casino Royale" . If they don't do better next time the 007 franchise is dead.

Worst lately, "Casino Royale" . If they don't do better next time the 007 franchise is dead.

What next time? There's no more books to make into movies.

Casino Royale may not have been great, but it was better than any of the efforts Pierce Brosnan put forth. There are some truly overrated films.

See--that's what I liked about it. I thought it was a fascinating exploration of what it's like to be stuck in the middle of a place where you have precious little grasp of what's going on, and the only person you can really cling to is fatally flawed (I'm coming from Johansen's POV here). It's one of those films which seems to engender this kind of reaction though--either great fondness or great dislike. Not much of a middle ground.
what annoyed me about it was the cliche-riddledness of it all. As I mentioned already, every single scene was cliche.

The concept was ok, but the handling was dreadful.

She's in Japan and feeling alienated: ok, fine. Except she's been there, what? a day, two days? and going to leave after a week.
ppl don't get that alienation feeling until several weeks of being immersed into a new culture. It made me not identify with her, but think she's just a whiny, self-absorbed brat. You're in Tokyo for a week and spend the time whining about how you don't know what to do with yourself?
makes me really like that person.
As for Bill Murray's character - the alienated, middle-aged failure. never seen that before.

It could have been a good movie, but Sofia was just so ham-fisted in her directing and writing. It was awful. She really doesn't understand the concept of subtly. Ever scene had to show us something important about the characters.

eg. the very first one with Johansson lying awake and her husband sleeping: he wakes up, mumbles at her then falls asleep again. Ohhh...I know this one! He's content with their relationship, but she isn't!
Another scene - she calls up her best friend to whine about herself after spending the day alone in weirdo Tokyo and her friend's too busy to talk - oh, oh, oh! pick me again! She's got no-one to turn to so feels even more alienated!
Do I get a See-gar?

Oh, and the awful, awful scene where she helps do some flower arranging with a Japanese woman and then wanders into a press conference and hears the Kill Bill lookalike make a tit of herself going on about how good she is and how much she understands Japan and the Japanese. But whoah! Scarlett was just shown how to stick a flower into a vase mere moments earlier. By a Japanese woman at that! Gee...I guess Sofia is attempting to tell us, in her very subtle way, that Scarlett is more in tune with the place (and thus a nicer person) than her rival.
took me several watches to understand that subtle and clever piece of cinematography.

And Bill Murray getting a telegram from his wife castigating him for forgetting his son's birthday...that scene (putting aside the dreadful cliche-ness of it all) could have worked, if Murray was split from his wife and son (but he hadn't been) or been on the road for a long time (nope, not that either). So all we're left with is a lame, implausible (she could have mentioned it to him before he left or rung him that morning), attempt to show his alienation. All it was, was an attempt by a not-particularly talented director/writer desperately trying to insert a scene to give a reason to Murray's character's actions (and hangdog look) - when there really was no need for it, as Murray's a good enough actor to pull off looking alienated without needing such hamfisted scenes.
Another one was him getting the telegram from his wife asking him what colour to paint his study. heeheehaha. Now we get to see a middle-aged man mutter about the names of paint colours and look confused and dispirited. I have never, ever, ever seen that in a movie. But it adds depth to his character!

Final scene where I gave upwatching was the Karaoke scene - ohhhh...a Japanese all dressed up as a punk singing 'Anarchy in the UK'. wow. one of the most anti-social songs now a singalong in the most consumerist of societies. Whatever could Sofia be saying here about the ways times has changed?

Don't be so subtle, Sofia! We can't all grasp your deep and perspicacious nuances. Be a bit more open and direct in what you're trying to say once in a while!

Fantastic Four: On the other hand, both of the present day films are a hack of a lot better than that Ash-can copy they made a while back.

... people rated that highly? :confused:

What next time? There's no more books to make into movies.

Casino Royale may not have been great, but it was better than any of the efforts Pierce Brosnan put forth. There are some truly overrated films.

I heard they had the dude signed for at least a couple more 007's. I think he should end up like the guy that did one movie before Brosnan.

In any case, whoever wrote the script apparently had never seen a 007 movie. There are just some things people expect. Like my daughters wanted a 007 with a cute butt, not no butt. For me, a 007 car, a fantastic woman, an enemy with a little brains and class..........

Few enough movies have that straight up, unapologetic gore without somebody mixing in a need for emotional examination somewhere in there.
They had that sappy business about his wife and the necklace, the guy seeing his son get decapitated (which made me giggle, but I understand that it was supposed to be a sad moment), and probably a few other bits of useless sentimentalism I can't remember.
Really, the movie was shit, and 80's Troma films had more satisfying gore.

AI

I want my two hours back.

*snip*

I think you may be reading too much into things, and while you do, completely miss the point.

The movie is not about how times have changed in Japan, nor is it about rivalry between two women. It's not about getting in touch with another country/culture either. And why would you assume that all their problems started the moment they set foot in Japan?

Lost in Translation is about being lost. Lost in life, lost place, lost in culture. And it's about the joy in finding a friend, and in the little adventure they have together, and perhaps finding a bit of strength to deal with their lives. And, of course, poking a lot of fun at Japanese society and customs, as well as clueless gaijin.

I have to go with the first Star Trek movie - Star Trek: The Motion Picture also known as Star Trek: The Search for a Plot.

I stood in line for three hours to see it - because I'm a Trek fan and because it was hyped to the max. What a disappointment.

I think you may be reading too much into things, and while you do, completely miss the point.

The movie is not about how times have changed in Japan, nor is it about rivalry between two women. It's not about getting in touch with another country/culture either. And why would you assume that all their problems started the moment they set foot in Japan?

Lost in Translation is about being lost. Lost in life, lost place, lost in culture. And it's about the joy in finding a friend, and in the little adventure they have together, and perhaps finding a bit of strength to deal with their lives. And, of course, poking a lot of fun at Japanese society and customs, as well as clueless gaijin.
no it's about a person with a famous filmmaker with a father making a hamfisted attempt at a movie, using every possible cliche to drive her point home, because she lacks the creativity and subtly to tell the story any other way.

Worst lately, "Casino Royale" . If they don't do better next time the 007 franchise is dead.

I disagree. I rented the film expecting mild entertainment along the predictable lines of every other 007 film ever made. This one was different. Grittier, visually more interesting, and losing most of the gadgetry was refreshing. The drowning scene was riveting.

what annoyed me about it was the cliche-riddledness of it all. As I mentioned already, every single scene was cliche.

The concept was ok, but the handling was dreadful.

She's in Japan and feeling alienated: ok, fine. Except she's been there, what? a day, two days? and going to leave after a week.
ppl don't get that alienation feeling until several weeks of being immersed into a new culture. It made me not identify with her, but think she's just a whiny, self-absorbed brat. You're in Tokyo for a week and spend the time whining about how you don't know what to do with yourself?
makes me really like that person.
As for Bill Murray's character - the alienated, middle-aged failure. never seen that before.

It could have been a good movie, but Sofia was just so ham-fisted in her directing and writing. It was awful. She really doesn't understand the concept of subtly. Ever scene had to show us something important about the characters.

eg. the very first one with Johansson lying awake and her husband sleeping: he wakes up, mumbles at her then falls asleep again. Ohhh...I know this one! He's content with their relationship, but she isn't!
Another scene - she calls up her best friend to whine about herself after spending the day alone in weirdo Tokyo and her friend's too busy to talk - oh, oh, oh! pick me again! She's got no-one to turn to so feels even more alienated!
Do I get a See-gar?

Oh, and the awful, awful scene where she helps do some flower arranging with a Japanese woman and then wanders into a press conference and hears the Kill Bill lookalike make a tit of herself going on about how good she is and how much she understands Japan and the Japanese. But whoah! Scarlett was just shown how to stick a flower into a vase mere moments earlier. By a Japanese woman at that! Gee...I guess Sofia is attempting to tell us, in her very subtle way, that Scarlett is more in tune with the place (and thus a nicer person) than her rival.
took me several watches to understand that subtle and clever piece of cinematography.

And Bill Murray getting a telegram from his wife castigating him for forgetting his son's birthday...that scene (putting aside the dreadful cliche-ness of it all) could have worked, if Murray was split from his wife and son (but he hadn't been) or been on the road for a long time (nope, not that either). So all we're left with is a lame, implausible (she could have mentioned it to him before he left or rung him that morning), attempt to show his alienation. All it was, was an attempt by a not-particularly talented director/writer desperately trying to insert a scene to give a reason to Murray's character's actions (and hangdog look) - when there really was no need for it, as Murray's a good enough actor to pull off looking alienated without needing such hamfisted scenes.
Another one was him getting the telegram from his wife asking him what colour to paint his study. heeheehaha. Now we get to see a middle-aged man mutter about the names of paint colours and look confused and dispirited. I have never, ever, ever seen that in a movie. But it adds depth to his character!

Final scene where I gave upwatching was the Karaoke scene - ohhhh...a Japanese all dressed up as a punk singing 'Anarchy in the UK'. wow. one of the most anti-social songs now a singalong in the most consumerist of societies. Whatever could Sofia be saying here about the ways times has changed?

Don't be so subtle, Sofia! We can't all grasp your deep and perspicacious nuances. Be a bit more open and direct in what you're trying to say once in a while!

Whoa. You think waaaay too much. You're not one of those pretentious poseurs who think David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino are geniuses, are you?

Whoa. You think waaaay too much. You're not one of those pretentious poseurs who think David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino are geniuses, are you?
Lynch tries too hard to be clever and mysterious, while Tarrantino is a clever magpie of film lore but not much else.

I prefer Lars von Trier in the current crop of filmmakers.
And Robert Rodriguez, cause he doesn't take it seriously.

I have to go with the first Star Trek movie - Star Trek: The Motion Picture also known as Star Trek: The Search for a Plot.

I stood in line for three hours to see it - because I'm a Trek fan and because it was hyped to the max. What a disappointment.

NOW you're talkin'.

That's why Wrath of Khan kicked so much ass. It was a filmed apology for the first one. So odd to see 7th Heaven on TV and remember that the pastor/dad was Lt. Decker.

Lynch tries too hard to be clever and mysterious, while Tarrantino is a clever magpie of film lore but not much else.

I prefer Lars von Trier in the current crop of filmmakers.
And Robert Rodriguez, cause he doesn't take it seriously.

Thank you. Not that it matters, but I'm surrounded by Tarantinophiles and Lynch-humpers. What Lynch did to Dune should have banned him from the DGA for LIFE.

Thank you. Not that it matters, but I'm surrounded by Tarantinophiles and Lynch-humpers. What Lynch did to Dune should have banned him from the DGA for LIFE.
Actually Dune's prob the one movie of his I like.
I view it as a damn good attempt to distill a huge complex book into an entertaining 2 hour movie without totally shafting the original.

Napoleon Dynamite and Titanic. They both fucking suck.

That movie was just fine until the last half hour--cut that and it's terrific.
yeah. you can literally see the point at which Kubrick died and Spielberg took over.

no it's about a person with a famous filmmaker with a father making a hamfisted attempt at a movie, using every possible cliche to drive her point home, because she lacks the creativity and subtly to tell the story any other way.

Again you say that she uses clichés to drive her point home, to which I, again, can only say that you have completely missed what the point of the movie is. I hope you can see the problem with your argument.

AI

I want my two hours back.

That movie was just fine until the last half hour--cut that and it's terrific.

NOW you're talkin'.

That's why Wrath of Khan kicked so much ass. It was a filmed apology for the first one. So odd to see 7th Heaven on TV and remember that the pastor/dad was Lt. Decker.

So which one was the apology for Star Trek V?
:shudders:

Again you say that she uses clichés to drive her point home, to which I, again, can only say that you have completely missed what the point of the movie is. I hope you can see the problem with your argument.
I know full well what the plot of the film was - two alienated people find solace in each other.
But the only way Sofia can show that is to use every single movie cliche there ever was to show how terrible lonely and sad they both are. Why? Because she is very untalented.

I hope you can have the chance to see subtle movies that can convey 1000 times the layers and meanings in a single shot that Sofia failed to do in 2 hours of that borefest.

But the only way Sofia can show that is to use every single movie cliche there ever was to show how terrible lonely and sad they both are. Why? Because she is very untalented.

I hope you can have the chance to see subtle movies that can convey 1000 times the layers and meanings in a single shot that Sofia failed to do in 2 hours of that borefest.
Don't mince words with me, Bones ... tell me what you REALLY think.

Actually, she showed some talent on SNL once. And i'd still do her.

NOW you're talkin'.

That's why Wrath of Khan kicked so much ass. It was a filmed apology for the first one. So odd to see 7th Heaven on TV and remember that the pastor/dad was Lt. Decker.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So which one was the apology for Star Trek V?
:shudders:

First Contact. It was an apology for V, VI, AND VII.

...

Sadly, they went and spit in everyone's faces again with IX and X, and I expect XI will as well.

I hope you can have the chance to see subtle movies that can convey 1000 times the layers and meanings in a single shot that Sofia failed to do in 2 hours of that borefest.

I never said the movie was very deep. I just felt it honest, and realistic, especially the dialogue. And damn funny in parts (no, not just in the "Bob's Premium Fantasy moments), though perhaps a bit of understanding of Japanese culture helps for that, I don't know.

Nice ad hominem in there, suggesting that I haven't seen any good movies in order to invalidate my argument. I think I'll let this be my last reply to you. It'll make us both happy, and you can consider yourself the "winner" all you want.

Obviously Snakes on a Plane, but that's the internet's fault, really. Not sure if that counts. More over hyped than overrated? How did snakes on a plane infect the net like that?

First Contact. It was an apology for V, VI, AND VII.

...

Sadly, they went and spit in everyone's faces again with IX and X, and I expect XI will as well.

Saving grace of VI was the glances of Shakespeare and, of course, Kim Cattrall.
First Contact was excellent, especially in the sense that even non-ST fans could really appreciate it.
Generations had a few real problems with it ... must've been the Braga influence.
Insurrection had some good in it. X was just terrible. TERRIBLE.
As for XI ... hahahahahaha!

Gone With the Wind

The Shawshank Redemption - how I hate that pile of steaming arse biscuits.

The Shawshank Redemption - how I hate that pile of steaming arse biscuits.

Say that on IMDB and you'll get yourself killed :D

Citizen Kane - yeah, it's well made (especially for the time), but I totally don't get the "ZOMG BEST AMERICAN FILM EVeR!!111eleventy" reputation.

Notebook, and Richard III. I fell asleep in both of them...

Oh and Lost, even though it's not a movie *touch wood*, gets a special mention.

I never said the movie was very deep. I just felt it honest, and realistic, especially the dialogue. And damn funny in parts (no, not just in the "Bob's Premium Fantasy moments), though perhaps a bit of understanding of Japanese culture helps for that, I don't know.
what understanding of Japanese culture? All I saw was someone throwing in every cliche there was about Japanese culture. Oh, look there's monasteries. how mystical. Geisha girls, how mysterious. Karaoke, how silly. Huge TV screens, how advanced. People dressed up all weird-like, how crazy.
Gosh but isn't Japan such an odd, weird place?
Well, maybe if you've never travelled 50 miles away from your home and thus rely on people with little talent in film-making to show what the place looks and feels like.


Nice ad hominem in there, suggesting that I know nothing about Japanese culture in order to invalidate my argument. I think I'll let this be my last reply to you. It'll make us both happy, and you can consider yourself the "winner" all you want.

Citizen Kane - yeah, it's well made (especially for the time), but I totally don't get the "ZOMG BEST AMERICAN FILM EVeR!!111eleventy" reputation.
partly to do with the impact it had on film-making at that time, partly to do with the impact it had on hollywood (and Hearse), but mostly these days to do with it has been established to be THE BEST (TM) by all the IMPORTANT PEOPLE (TM) and thus must be accepted as such for ever and ever.
Amen.

I also really cannot understand why people like The Graduate and Midnight Cowboy...but then I liked Lost in Translation.

Obviously Snakes on a Plane, but that's the internet's fault, really. Not sure if that counts. More over hyped than overrated? How did snakes on a plane infect the net like that?

Sam Jackson and snakes on a motha' fuckin' plane!

what annoyed me about it was the cliche-riddledness of it all. As I mentioned already, every single scene was cliche.

The concept was ok, but the handling was dreadful.

She's in Japan and feeling alienated: ok, fine. Except she's been there, what? a day, two days? and going to leave after a week.
ppl don't get that alienation feeling until several weeks of being immersed into a new culture. It made me not identify with her, but think she's just a whiny, self-absorbed brat. You're in Tokyo for a week and spend the time whining about how you don't know what to do with yourself?
makes me really like that person.
As for Bill Murray's character - the alienated, middle-aged failure. never seen that before.

It could have been a good movie, but Sofia was just so ham-fisted in her directing and writing. It was awful. She really doesn't understand the concept of subtly. Ever scene had to show us something important about the characters.

eg. the very first one with Johansson lying awake and her husband sleeping: he wakes up, mumbles at her then falls asleep again. Ohhh...I know this one! He's content with their relationship, but she isn't!
Another scene - she calls up her best friend to whine about herself after spending the day alone in weirdo Tokyo and her friend's too busy to talk - oh, oh, oh! pick me again! She's got no-one to turn to so feels even more alienated!
Do I get a See-gar?

Oh, and the awful, awful scene where she helps do some flower arranging with a Japanese woman and then wanders into a press conference and hears the Kill Bill lookalike make a tit of herself going on about how good she is and how much she understands Japan and the Japanese. But whoah! Scarlett was just shown how to stick a flower into a vase mere moments earlier. By a Japanese woman at that! Gee...I guess Sofia is attempting to tell us, in her very subtle way, that Scarlett is more in tune with the place (and thus a nicer person) than her rival.
took me several watches to understand that subtle and clever piece of cinematography.

And Bill Murray getting a telegram from his wife castigating him for forgetting his son's birthday...that scene (putting aside the dreadful cliche-ness of it all) could have worked, if Murray was split from his wife and son (but he hadn't been) or been on the road for a long time (nope, not that either). So all we're left with is a lame, implausible (she could have mentioned it to him before he left or rung him that morning), attempt to show his alienation. All it was, was an attempt by a not-particularly talented director/writer desperately trying to insert a scene to give a reason to Murray's character's actions (and hangdog look) - when there really was no need for it, as Murray's a good enough actor to pull off looking alienated without needing such hamfisted scenes.
Another one was him getting the telegram from his wife asking him what colour to paint his study. heeheehaha. Now we get to see a middle-aged man mutter about the names of paint colours and look confused and dispirited. I have never, ever, ever seen that in a movie. But it adds depth to his character!

Final scene where I gave upwatching was the Karaoke scene - ohhhh...a Japanese all dressed up as a punk singing 'Anarchy in the UK'. wow. one of the most anti-social songs now a singalong in the most consumerist of societies. Whatever could Sofia be saying here about the ways times has changed?

Don't be so subtle, Sofia! We can't all grasp your deep and perspicacious nuances. Be a bit more open and direct in what you're trying to say once in a while!
*claps*
I think you may be reading too much into things, and while you do, completely miss the point.

The movie is not about how times have changed in Japan, nor is it about rivalry between two women. It's not about getting in touch with another country/culture either. And why would you assume that all their problems started the moment they set foot in Japan?

Lost in Translation is about being lost. Lost in life, lost place, lost in culture. And it's about the joy in finding a friend, and in the little adventure they have together, and perhaps finding a bit of strength to deal with their lives. And, of course, poking a lot of fun at Japanese society and customs, as well as clueless gaijin.
well, then maybe the writer and director should have been better at getting that point across.....right now, all I can really see is an annoying movie with no good parts that talks down to me so much I feel insulted.

Whoa. You think waaaay too much. You're not one of those pretentious poseurs who think David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino are geniuses, are you?
you don't think about the movies you watch? Film is art, part of viewing art is dissecting it and figuring out what you like/don't like about the artists message.
I also really cannot understand why people like The Graduate and Midnight Cowboy...but then I liked Lost in Translation.
The Graduate is a classic story, it's very good.

*claps*

well, then maybe the writer and director should have been better at getting that point across.....right now, all I can really see is an annoying movie with no good parts that talks down to me so much I feel insulted.
thank you. Nice to meet someone else who understands why I dislike that movie so much.

Another over-rated movie is Sideways (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375063/). Not a bad movie - a lowkey, homely look at the (rather overdone) mid-life crisis.
But reading the reviews and the hype, you'd were left thinking it was this millennium's Citizen Kane. This caused my expectations to be skyhigh and thus I was extremely disappointed with it.
I watched it with a mate and we were left thinking at the end, "so, is that it?"
Had not there been that hype, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed it a lot more.

Thus it does indeed belong in the 'over-rated movies' section.

thank you. Nice to meet someone else who understands why I dislike that movie so much.
oh, I totally get it. I get totally annoyed when I state that I hate that movie because it sucks, and people say "but maybe you didn't understand it" :mad: I understood what they wanted me to, I couldn't help but understand, they might as well have put big sandwich boards on the actors saying "I feel lonely" and "I don't like my life" it's not a matter of not "getting the point" it's a matter of the movie sucking ass.

The Day After Tomorrow.

If you're going to attempt to use science to scare the bejesus out of people, try to actually use some science.

I have no idea why people seem to love Neopolian Dynamite. It was the WORST most BORING movie I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

The twist in the end: It wasn't a nightmare; you really did sit thru that crap for 2 hours.)

The Graduate is a classic story, it's very good.

I find Dustin Hoffman extremely irritating, so that is probably part of my problem with the film. It also seems to me a film that is very culturally American.

I have no idea why people seem to love Neopolian Dynamite. It was the WORST most BORING movie I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

The twist in the end: It wasn't a nightmare; you really did sit thru that crap for 2 hours.)

In spite of your spelling I have to agree

I find Dustin Hoffman extremely irritating, so that is probably part of my problem with the film. It also seems to me a film that is very culturally American.

it's an American film.

Dustin Hoffman only annoys me in comedies.

I have no idea why people seem to love Neopolian Dynamite. It was the WORST most BORING movie I have ever had the misfortune of watching.
Exactly. How it became some sort of pop culture icon is beyond me.

It was like a bunch of stoners got together on a lazy afternoon and decided to ad lib a standard high school movie.

Dustin Hoffman only annoys me in comedies.

He only annoys me when he is acting

He only annoys me when he is acting

:p I have that same feeling about Nicholas Cage.

Borat.
It was alright but everyone kept ranting and raving about it and when I saw it I couldn't help but feel meh about it.

Borat.
It was alright but everyone kept ranting and raving about it and when I saw it I couldn't help but feel meh about it.

T'was hilarious for me. One of very few films i've seen recently where i've laughed out loud in the cinema

T'was hilarious for me. One of very few films i've seen recently where i've laughed out loud in the cinema

Well it was hit and miss with me, though honest to god the dildo fight was nothing but nonstop laughter.

Well it was hit and miss with me, though honest to god the dildo fight was nothing but nonstop laughter.

Definitely. Nothing says comedy like fat 69-ing

Pulp Fiction, while it had its moments, is overrated.

It seems like it took people forever to figure out that Quentin really was just a video store clerk - all the way up to his latest "Grindhouse" - people were saying how fucking great his movies were, when in reality they sucked ass.

The lost world: Jurrasic park II

My god, the campyness of it all. Let alone the idiocy of the characters.

75 pound teenage girl knocks 200 something lethal predator out the window with gymnastics while it looks on dumbstruck.:mad:

They bring back a T-rex to the heavily populated sanfrancisco.:confused:

:p I have that same feeling about Nicholas Cage.

I can certainly agree with you on that one.

Little Miss Sunshine.

Someone told me it was the funniest movie of year. So to over top Clerks II and Hot Fuzz must have been one hell of an accomplishment. WRONG! It had its moments, but I rarely broke a 'heh' throughout the movie. Overall it was just so damn boring.

One's ability to enjoy Little Miss Sunshine is directly proportional to the level if dysfunction in one's family.
And Clerks 2, like all of Kevin Smith's smug asshattery, was a pile of self-referential bullshit that tried way to hard.

The fact that Smith can't handle it when people make fun of his movies makes the idiocy behind them even more annoying.

Most -Oscar- awarded movies are overrrated.

and I am going to agree with the people saying:

Snakes on a Plane
Borat
Napoleon Dynamite

Pulp Fiction, while it had its moments, is overrated.

It seems like it took people forever to figure out that Quentin really was just a video store clerk - all the way up to his latest "Grindhouse" - people were saying how fucking great his movies were, when in reality they sucked ass.

I like the style that his characters have.

I like the style that his characters have.

It gets old though. I think he's run out of ideas.

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and 3: The second one was a two and half hour trailer with obnoxious characters (I wanted to strangle Knightly by the end of it). The third one had numerous opportunities to be good, but kept falling short of the mark.

All three Lord of the Rings films: mostly my dislike of Tolkein talking, to me they weren't any better or worse than any other movies based on famous book series.

Anything by Tarantino is overrated.

He's a hack! A hack, I say!

I saw the PotC: At World's End and then PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl. Curse of the Black Pearl is fucking overrated. Like "omg Pirates, with Johnny Depp, and Orlando Bloom, omg is awesome, they should make out!" It was fan service with some droll back story for the Sparrow-verse. At World's End was more interesting.

It gets old though.
For me it doesn't. It's not really something I can explain. It's just sort of a feeling.
I think he's run out of ideas.
Maybe.

The Godfather.

A little off the subject, but why do directors think they are obligated to put in at least one sex scene or one bathroom humor scene that has nothing to do with the plot and could very easily be dropped.

Latest example, "Evan Almighty". A good film, but what does the dog biting his crotch have to do with anything? Why was there a pressing need to put in that one scene that only detracted from the plot rather than adding to it.

The Godfather.
Don't blame me if you wake up with a horse head in your bed tomorrow.

A little off the subject, but why do directors think they are obligated to put in at least one sex scene or one bathroom humor scene that has nothing to do with the plot and could very easily be dropped.

Latest example, "Evan Almighty". A good film, but what does the dog biting his crotch have to do with anything? Why was there a pressing need to put in that one scene that only detracted from the plot rather than adding to it.

Evan Almighty had a plot?

Seriously, I like Steve Correl (looking forward to Get Smart next year), but Evan Almighty was just bad.

Pumpkinhead. Even if it got derided at best, that'd be overrating it...

In spite of your spelling I have to agree

lol Sorry, I was tired and couldn't be bothered to spell check.

300, it sucked and if I thought for a few minutes I could probably think of more than 300 reasons why.

Evan Almighty had a plot?

Seriously, I like Steve Correl (looking forward to Get Smart next year), but Evan Almighty was just bad.


The plot of Evan Almighty? Basically God comes to a man working in the government and forces him to build a boat and - ok this will take too long, go look it up.

Point is there was a plot.

lol Sorry but I liked Evan Almighty; it wasn't lol funny but it was a enjoyable movie and it didn't have any trouble keeping my interest.

Kill Bill. i remember all the wank about that movie, and ugh.... i can't stand tarantino.

i reserve judgement on The Godfather cos i haven't yet seen it, and i'll probably like it.

The plot of Evan Almighty? Basically God comes to a man working in the government and forces him to build a boat and - ok this will take too long, go look it up.

Point is there was a plot.

lol Sorry but I liked Evan Almighty; it wasn't lol funny but it was a enjoyable movie and it didn't have any trouble keeping my interest.

Eh, it just seemed too much like a rehash of Bruce Almighty, just with a different story.

Whatever, it's not worth arguing over...er...I mean...STFU NEWB! ;)

AI

I want my two hours back.
lol QFT!! :p

First to mind: Sin City.

haven't seen it, but the trailers and posters and all the hype put me off it somewhat, and the twatty, OTT style finished the job nicely


matrix - not that cool
eh... the first one was great, but after that, yeah...


Top of the list has to be "Donnie Darko" with "Equilibrium" on par.


agree on the first one, but the second... i like the movie, and its barely overrated round here (more like totally overlooked), so... *shrugs*


i'd also suggest star wars as an overrated trilogy. great sci fi, great movies, but its not OMFGZOMGBBQ!!!21w2! good

*snip*
you don't think about the movies you watch? Film is art, part of viewing art is dissecting it and figuring out what you like/don't like about the artists message.

I don't think nearly as hard as DH obviously has about Lost in Translation. We get it, he didn't like the film and neither do you. Reducing it to its cliches is going to rip the substance out of every film. Seems to me that you can say "I don't like it" and get much more respect than launching into a pseudo-intellectual tirade about why you don't. I never said anyone SHOULD like it, and I'm sorry if there are morons among you who insisted that you should and you didn't. Crap, if I lashed out at everyone who recommended a film or other entertainment to me that was abhorrent, I wouldn't have any friends.

Actually Dune's prob the one movie of his I like.
I view it as a damn good attempt to distill a huge complex book into an entertaining 2 hour movie without totally shafting the original.

I'm just gonna disagree and leave that alone. Save to mention that where Lynch's Dune was too ethereal and campy, the Sci-Fi Channel's Dune set was too dry and political. If it were possible to combine the two versions, I think that would be the best possible adaptation.

So which one was the apology for Star Trek V?
:shudders:

There can BE no apology for that film. And VI was okay, but the ending! Ugh!

SPOCK: If I were human, my response would be (said as woodenly as possible) "go to hell."

I wanted to vomit right there.

Say that on IMDB and you'll get yourself killed :D

Ooooooh, a mob of movie nerds online shredding me for disliking another failed Stephen King adaptation. *mock shudder* That's the problem with movies. People take them WAY too seriously. Some people act like having one's own sense of taste is a kind of character flaw or something. Relax, movie nerds. Nobody needs to care that much.

Another over-rated movie is Sideways (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375063/). Not a bad movie - a lowkey, homely look at the (rather overdone) mid-life crisis.
But reading the reviews and the hype, you'd were left thinking it was this millennium's Citizen Kane. This caused my expectations to be skyhigh and thus I was extremely disappointed with it.
I watched it with a mate and we were left thinking at the end, "so, is that it?"
Had not there been that hype, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed it a lot more.

Thus it does indeed belong in the 'over-rated movies' section.

Agreed. Bill Maher said it best in New Rules when he said the original working title for Sideways was going to be The Adventures of Drunkman & Horny. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't nearly as good as its press.

Seriously, I like Steve Carrell (looking forward to Get Smart next year), but Evan Almighty was just bad.

I saw the preview for Get Smart while waiting for HP5 to start. It looks like they're not forcing Carrell to by Don Adams! HALLELUJAH! I hate it when they try to hamstring a new actor like that. It appears that they're going to let Steve be Steve AND Maxwell Smart. Here's hoping.

I saw the preview for Get Smart while waiting for HP5 to start. It looks like they're not forcing Carrell to by Don Adams! HALLELUJAH! I hate it when they try to hamstring a new actor like that. It appears that they're going to let Steve be Steve AND Maxwell Smart. Here's hoping.

Thought I spelled that wrong...whatever.

I've got pretty high hopes for that movie too. I've got some fond memories of watching that show as a kid on Nick at Nite (before it had it's own network).

I still remember Smart and 99's wedding :D.

A little off the subject, but why do directors think they are obligated to put in at least one sex scene or one bathroom humor scene that has nothing to do with the plot and could very easily be dropped.

OK, so you didn't like the example I gave but the original question remains.

A little off the subject, but why do directors think they are obligated to put in at least one sex scene or one bathroom humor scene that has nothing to do with the plot and could very easily be dropped.

OK, so you didn't like the example I gave but the original question remains.
prob at the request of the Hollywood producers who have decided a poo-and-wee joke, as well as the obligatory sex scene (or visit to a strip club) is necessary. Why? Because their focus groups studies have shown that x% of cinema goers want a poo-and-wee joke and y% want a sex scene.
Hollywood movies are all about ticking all the right boxes to maximise box office.

300. there wasn't a woman in the whole movie who had lines who didn't appear naked or have sex on screen. there wasn't a good person who was not a physically perfect white male espousing "american values". evil people were ethnically diverse, challenged the gender binary, and used diplomacy instead of violence. the propagandistic and pathetic glorification of simplistic imperialist patriarchal values could not have been more overt.

thank you. Nice to meet someone else who understands why I dislike that movie so much.

Another over-rated movie is Sideways (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375063/). Not a bad movie - a lowkey, homely look at the (rather overdone) mid-life crisis.
But reading the reviews and the hype, you'd were left thinking it was this millennium's Citizen Kane. This caused my expectations to be skyhigh and thus I was extremely disappointed with it.
I watched it with a mate and we were left thinking at the end, "so, is that it?"
Had not there been that hype, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed it a lot more.

Thus it does indeed belong in the 'over-rated movies' section.Oooh, agreed!

300. there wasn't a woman in the whole movie who had lines who didn't appear naked or have sex on screen. there wasn't a good person who was not a physically perfect white male espousing "american values". evil people were ethnically diverse, challenged the gender binary, and used diplomacy instead of violence. the propagandistic and pathetic glorification of simplistic imperialist patriarchal values could not have been more overt.

It's more enjoyable without the stick in your ass.

There can BE no apology for that film. And VI was okay, but the ending! Ugh!

SPOCK: If I were human, my response would be (said as woodenly as possible) "go to hell."

I wanted to vomit right there.


You know, Data's corollary springs right to mind from the beginning of First Contact.

Sir, I think I speak for everyone when I say: To hell with our orders.

!

And it's weird how one of the best bits Kirk and Spock ever had, from IV ...

Kirk: Spock! Where the hell's that power I ordered?
Spock: One damned minute, admiral!
... double-dumbass on you, and so forth.
:D
... got lost in ST VI.
:(

It's more enjoyable without the stick in your ass.
...and even MORE enjoyable if prophecy is an interest of yours.
*nods emphatically*

It's more enjoyable without the stick in your ass.

because I don't uncritically accept glorified violence and misogyny doesn't mean I have a stick in my ass. I enjoy plenty of things that are worth enjoying.

because I don't uncritically accept glorified violence and misogyny doesn't mean I have a stick in my ass. I enjoy plenty of things that are worth enjoying.

Hm. You might want to stay away from comic-books altogether, I think. :p

Hm. You might want to stay away from comic-books altogether, I think. :p

*likes X-men, and Neil Gaiman if he counts*

Any movie/serie of wich there are more then 3 parts... including star wars/ star trek / harry potter

I really don't understand what is so fun about harry potter it's sooo fucking boring. It's more like a bed time tale for 8 year olds...

And star wars?! Oh comon... go get a life, same goes for star trek, go kill eachother (wars vs trek) over who are stronger and keep your movies from the rest of the people...

the more movies you make bout the same subject the worses it gets (unless it's one story, too big for 1 movie)

LOTR
Shrek
Pirates of the Carribean
X Men
Spiderman trilogy
Batman Returns

It's more enjoyable without the stick in your ass.

Second.

because I don't uncritically accept glorified violence and misogyny doesn't mean I have a stick in my ass.

Then why the fuck did you see this movie, other than to be the pretentious ass to bash it for what it is. Also three negatives make my brain hurt. >.<

On the surface it was a fun movie, and there really isn't much need to go beyond that unless you want something to pick at.

I enjoy plenty of things that are worth enjoying.

I would hope so.

Napoleon Dynamite = pure crap

also the most over quoted over rated movie.

Most overrated?

The English Patient

I have yet to make it all the way through this film before falling asleep. I have tried probably five or six times.

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Re: Titanic

Titanic really wasn't about the ship going down. This is a love story, and a great one at that -- it won 11 Oscars primarily because the whole friggin' theatre was on the edge of their seats and/or bawling for most of the final 30 minutes of the film. That film moved me like no other.

Usually it's heroism/patriotism that draw the tears from my eyes, but Titanic did that without either (really).

When she's dreaming at the end and walks into the stairway (or whatever that area is called) and Jack turns around and looks at her, I lose it.

On the surface it was a fun movie, and there really isn't much need to go beyond that unless you want something to pick at.
On the surface, 300 was fascist propaganda. There is no way you could miss that unless you were being willfully blind.
Also, the Spartans were annoying as Hell, but the fact that most of them died by the end managed to make up for that somewhat.

Pirates of the Carribbean II

On the surface, 300 was fascist propaganda. There is no way you could miss that unless you were being willfully blind.
Also, the Spartans were annoying as Hell, but the fact that most of them died by the end managed to make up for that somewhat.

omg there are still people saying this?

Anchorman. I know people who actually think that is a good film. However, it is quite obviously the direct cinematic equivalent of dog turd. So bad that it made me wish my popcorn could somehow be hyper-sharpened, allowing me to end the pain by gouging my own eyes out and cutting off my ears.

omg there are still people saying this?

Fiddlebottoms does not fall under the category of "people".

On the surface, 300 was fascist propaganda. There is no way you could miss that unless you were being willfully blind.
Also, the Spartans were annoying as Hell, but the fact that most of them died by the end managed to make up for that somewhat.

So you sat through a movie you knew you were going to hate?

omg there are still people saying this?
Most people have gotten over The 300 and so they've stopped talking about it (Yesterday's news and all), but that doesn't make the movie any less what it is.
Fiddlebottoms does not fall under the category of "people".
That's what you think. We feel otherwise.
So you sat through a movie you knew you were going to hate?
I didn't know anything about it (other than that it promised to be an orgy of violence in which everybody dies and that it came from the writer of the most excellent Sin City) when I went in.
That the dialogue and (greek) characters would be so unforgiveably annoying was not expected.