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Finished the book. Not bad, although there were too many new topics introduced for my taste.

LIST OF DEATHS

Moody, Remus, Tonks, Fred, Snape and Voldemort, unsurprisingly.

Oh, and Hedwig. :(

EDIT: Ifreann remembers the book better than I do.

Burbage(Muggle Studies teacher) dies on pg. 12
Hedwig dies on pg. 56
Mad-Eye dies on pg. 78
Scrimgeour dies on pg. 159
Wormtail dies on pg. 471
Dobby dies on pg. 476
Snape dies on pg. 658
Fred Weasley dies on pg. 637
Harry gets fucked up by Voldemort on pg. 704 but comes back to life on pg. 724
Tonks, Lupin, and Colin Creevy and 50 unnamed others have their deaths confirmed on pg. 743
Tonks had Lupin's baby at some point too. Before they died.

19 years after the events in the book:
Ron has married Hermione, their two children are named Rose and Hugo
Harry has married Ginny, their three children are named Lily, James, and Albus Severus.
Draco Malfoy has a son named Scorpius
The epilogue shows all of the children boarding the train for Hogwarts together.
The final lines of the book are: "The scar had not pained Harry for 18 years. All was well."

Plot Spoilers

The deathly hallows are three uber magical objects, supposedly won from Death by three brothers who outsmarted him. The Elder Wand, which would win in any duel, the Ressurection Stone, which brought back the spirit of a dead person and the Cloak of Invisibility, Harry's one.
Part of Voldemort's soul was implanted into Harry whenever he used Ara Kadvara on him when he was a baby(Harry was a horcrux). Harry then sacrafices himself a la Lilly Potter style, which allows him to kill Voldemort without killing himself.
Snape went to the good side (Hogwarts, etc.) because he was all emo that Voldemort killed Lilly Potter, and was good the whole time.

It's Excellent I'm Addicted That's Why I'm Going Hyper And Writing In Caps

Spoiler

Sweet! Thanks.

I will end you.

(I didn't actually read any of them. But by God, if I see any spoilers in thread titles today, there will be violence.)

www.ytmnd.com probably has it covered.

/b/ certainly does.

www.ytmnd.com probably has it covered.

From what my wife has told me, everything Ifreann listed is true except one or two things (that I won't bother listing).

Sweet! Thanks.

Why do you want them? You don't want to be cruel and ruin it for those eagerly awaiting the book, do you?

Because if you do I am going to be really angry. I hate that kind of mean-spirited "humour."

From what my wife has told me, everything Ifreann listed is true except one or two things (that I won't bother listing).

I don't notice anything wrong. Admittedly I just copied it from a different forum, but it all looks legit to me.

I don't notice anything wrong. Admittedly I just copied it from a different forum, but it all looks legit to me.

No, nothing was wrong. There were just a couple other items left out.

Such as Colin Creevy's death, and the fact that fifty others had died besides the ones mentioned at the Battle of Hogwarts.

Why do you want them? You don't want to be cruel and ruin it for those eagerly awaiting the book, do you?

Because if you do I am going to be really angry. I hate that kind of mean-spirited "humour."

I think people like you getting angry is part of the reason it's hilarious ;)

No, nothing was wrong. There were just a couple other items left out.

Such as Colin Creevy's death, and the fact that fifty others had died besides the ones mentioned at the Battle of Hogwarts.

:confused: But I have them in there.

I don't notice anything wrong. Admittedly I just copied it from a different forum, but it all looks legit to me.

You're right, I was wrong. The first time I mentioned Burbage she thought I meant Umbradge (psycho school lady from Phoenix).

I think people like you getting angry is part of the reason it's hilarious ;)
But it's not funny! All you do is ruin everything for them!

And in this day and age, where it took a children's book series about a wizarding school to get lots of kids all across the world into reading instead of spending all day in front of the television, it's a really, really horrible thing to ruin it for them. You screw so much more over than you realize when you do that!

I hate all mean-spirited humour...it helps no one and just makes lives worse, so someone can laugh at someone else. If you're going to laugh, share the laughter. Laugh with people, not at them!

:confused: But I have them in there.

Eh?

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Oh, yes you do. My mistake. Heh. Didn't see them.

Oh, I know what's missing! Crabbe tried using Fiend Fire to kill Harry, Ron, and Hermione in the hidden items version of the Room of Requirement, but he screwed up and only killed himself and Goyle, though Malfoy was rescued by HRH.

Why do you want them? You don't want to be cruel and ruin it for those eagerly awaiting the book, do you?

Because if you do I am going to be really angry. I hate that kind of mean-spirited "humour."

I'm not being mean-spirited and cruel. I just won't get around to reading the book for months, probably, and I wanted to know what happens. I wouldn't want to "spoil" it for anyone else--I'm not an asshole--but I think that the idea of spoiling a book by telling people what happens in it is a bit silly. If a book is going to be spoiled by something like that, it's not likely to be a good book in the first place.

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

Let's see, the wife brought it home around 12:15 a.m CST, I went to bed, found her asleep on the couch with the book finished at around 8:20 a.m., so, knowing her, probably around 4 or 5 hours.

Myself, I highly doubt I'll read it. I've got a copy of Romance of the Three Kingdoms burning a hole in my bookshelf.

Same thing with me. I was a little disappointed in myself, I finished Half-Blood Prince in just over 3 hours. Ah well, I enjoyed the ending of a fantastic HP era:p

Oh, I know what's missing! Crabbe tried using Fiend Fire to kill Harry, Ron, and Hermione in the hidden items version of the Room of Requirement, but he screwed up and only killed himself and Goyle, though Malfoy was rescued by HRH.
Oh yeah, that. And it borks the diadem horcrux too
At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

5-6.5

I know what time I finished, I'm just not sure what time I started.

I'm not being mean-spirited and cruel. I just won't get around to reading the book for months, probably, and I wanted to know what happens. I wouldn't want to "spoil" it for anyone else--I'm not an asshole--but I think that the idea of spoiling a book by telling people what happens in it is a bit silly. If a book is going to be spoiled by something like that, it's not likely to be a good book in the first place.

Oh, goodie. Sorry, but I've seen too many people like Dosuun trying to ruin things for everyone lately...I just had to make sure you weren't.

Fair enough, too. Hell, I've already read the bloody thing through the pictures that were leaked recently. I just hate it when people spoil others, that's all.

(And sure, being told what happens doesn't entirely spoil the experience, but it does definitely harm the enjoyment if you didn't want to be spoiled. If you don't want to be spoiled, you'll be really pissed, basically.)

(And sure, being told what happens doesn't entirely spoil the experience, but it does definitely harm the enjoyment if you didn't want to be spoiled. If you don't want to be spoiled, you'll be really pissed, basically.)

Maybe I have a different perspective on reading something--I'm not in it for the surprises, because if that's all I'm in it for, I'll never enjoy a second or third reading. If I can get the surprises out of the way, it makes a closer reading easier, and I pick up on subtle hints and clues I'd have likely overlooked before.

Oh, goodie. Sorry, but I've seen too many people like Dosuun trying to ruin things for everyone lately...I just had to make sure you weren't.

Fair enough, too. Hell, I've already read the bloody thing through the pictures that were leaked recently. I just hate it when people spoil others, that's all.

(And sure, being told what happens doesn't entirely spoil the experience, but it does definitely harm the enjoyment if you didn't want to be spoiled. If you don't want to be spoiled, you'll be really pissed, basically.)



SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!!!!!!!

I can see your point Kyronea, but it's impossible to stop this sort of thing after the sales have started. Just consider the fact that this time, we've only had one leak, instead of the usual ten or so. Every one will know eventually, but at least these people have the respect to make the text unreadeable unless you highlight. Many people just write it.

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

Don't have the book yet... but I figure I'll finish it in a couple of hours. Of course I won't start reading it till... what... 4 years from now?

Oh and beware for those looking to Download the book. A false book is out there. ;)

I can see your point Kyronea, but it's impossible to stop this sort of thing after the sales have started. Just consider the fact that this time, we've only had one leak, instead of the usual ten or so. Every one will know eventually, but at least these people have the respect to make the text unreadeable unless you highlight. Many people just write it.

It's already out in most paces by now. I figure the people who would be most annoyed by seeing spoilers are reading it/have read it.

It's already out in most paces by now. I figure the people who would be most annoyed by seeing spoilers are reading it/have read it.

I've read it, and am not bothered that much by the fact that people are talking about it

It's not very good

:p

I've read it, and am not bothered that much by the fact that people are talking about it

I'd say give it to the end of the day and spoiler tags won't be necessary any more.

I'd say give it to the end of the day and spoiler tags won't be necessary any more.

I'll hold you to that :P
last time it was 4 weeks

But it's not funny! All you do is ruin everything for them!

And in this day and age, where it took a children's book series about a wizarding school to get lots of kids all across the world into reading instead of spending all day in front of the television, it's a really, really horrible thing to ruin it for them. You screw so much more over than you realize when you do that!

I hate all mean-spirited humour...it helps no one and just makes lives worse, so someone can laugh at someone else. If you're going to laugh, share the laughter. Laugh with people, not at them!

over react much? It isn't like anyone goes up to a 6 year old who is reading and tells them the ending. Me going up to my 21 year old friend and telling them the ending doesn't ruin their life.
Not to mention, you can KNOW the ending, and still get alot out of it (Everyone knows what happens at the end of Titanic or any Shakespeare play, yet still watch/read them

Yeah but to be honest, when I read the book it was as much to see how well I'd guessed it (about 50-50) as much as for anything else.

That said, the plot was pretty good and actually held together OK, Rowling still can't write brilliantly but her plots are good enough I can forgive it.

And she pulled a few nice surprises on it too :D

I Got home at about 12.30 and... I dunno when i went to sleep but I woke up again at 8PM having finished it all.

SPOILER
Anyone have any idea what the FUCK the third entity at Kings Cross was, the one Dumbledore kept ignoring? I thought it was a representation of Voldemort but... WTF?

SPOILER
Anyone have any idea what the FUCK the third entity at Kings Cross was, the one Dumbledore kept ignoring? I thought it was a representation of Voldemort but... WTF?
Apparently when deciding what paths to take, Rowling didn't bother explaining a number of them.

Where the hell did Neville get the Sword of Gryffindor?

Yeah but to be honest, when I read the book it was as much to see how well I'd guessed it (about 50-50) as much as for anything else.

That said, the plot was pretty good and actually held together OK, Rowling still can't write brilliantly but her plots are good enough I can forgive it.

And she pulled a few nice surprises on it too :D

I Got home at about 12.30 and... I dunno when i went to sleep but I woke up again at 8PM having finished it all.

SPOILER
Anyone have any idea what the FUCK the third entity at Kings Cross was, the one Dumbledore kept ignoring? I thought it was a representation of Voldemort but... WTF?

I think she's said herself that she's no good with timelines. IMS the book has been reasoned as being set in the early/mid 90s.

My guess is it was the bit of Voldemort's soul. Ugly, cos he's an evil fucker, and everyone knows evil fuckers have ugly soul bits, and a baby because without Harry to live in it's dead.

LA LA LA LA
NOT LISTENING!!!!


(I don't get my copy till I get home on Monday.)

Most irrelevant spoiler:

Burbage(Muggle Studies teacher) dies on pg. 12

Who the fuck is Burbage? I don't think they even mentioned Muggle studies in the entire series.

LA LA LA LA
NOT LISTENING!!!!


(I don't get my copy till I get home on Monday.)
Listen all you want, just don't highlight.
Most irrelevant spoiler:

Burbage(Muggle Studies teacher) dies on pg. 12

Who the fuck is Burbage? I don't think they even mentioned Muggle studies in the entire series.

Pretty much, yeah.
I think Hermione took it when she was doing that time warp thing. I have vague memories of reading her saying that it'd be interesting to see it from a wizarding point of view. I bet she was just after an easy A.

LA LA LA LA
NOT LISTENING!!!!


(I don't get my copy till I get home on Monday.)

I can't get mine til Friday......:(

I can't get mine til Friday......:(

Won't read mine till after the movie.

I find that reading the books first spoil the movie for me. :(

and since all these teasing spoilers are only making me want to read the book more...

*roll for Will Save!*

Apparently when deciding what paths to take, Rowling didn't bother explaining a number of them.

Where the hell did Neville get the Sword of Gryffindor?

The Sorting Hat

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

Took me about the same. But i started reading in line for the checkout. (Can anyone tell me why it's okay for a team leader to keep jabbering into her cell phone about someones register problem instead of answering a customer question? I had a lady in a blue shirt, which means she's some kind of management at Meijer, take a call just before she started checking me out. I asked, politely, if the discount on the book for spending more than thirty dollars came off automatically, and she just gave me this look, like how dare I, a customer, interrupt her Important Conversation? I hate people who treat customers like that, I really do.)

over react much? It isn't like anyone goes up to a 6 year old who is reading and tells them the ending. Me going up to my 21 year old friend and telling them the ending doesn't ruin their life.
Not to mention, you can KNOW the ending, and still get alot out of it (Everyone knows what happens at the end of Titanic or any Shakespeare play, yet still watch/read them

The only time I have EVER regretted getting spoilers was for The Sixth Sense. Sometimes it can be fun to figure out how the plot goes, even if you know how it's going to end... Frex, I skipped ahead in The Incident at Badamya by Dorothy Gillman, and the revelation about the puppeteer didn't lessen my enjoyment of the role he played in the book. If anything, it made it better.

The only time I have EVER regretted getting spoilers was for The Sixth Sense. Sometimes it can be fun to figure out how the plot goes, even if you know how it's going to end... Frex, I skipped ahead in The Incident at Badamya by Dorothy Gillman, and the revelation about the puppeteer didn't lessen my enjoyment of the role he played in the book. If anything, it made it better.

Yeah, in some cases, knowing the ending will ruin it (personally, I think those tend to be not that well done if that is the case). Knowing that Dorothy gets back to Kansas doesn't ruin the movie, tho.

Yeah, in some cases, knowing the ending will ruin it (personally, I think those tend to be not that well done if that is the case). Knowing that Dorothy gets back to Kansas doesn't ruin the movie, tho.

It's still mean-spirited, and it's that mean spirit that pisses me off more than anything else.

Look, if you want to know spoilers, that's fine. But if someone does not want spoilers, you just don't tell them unless you're trying to be mean.

The series finally ends, which is good because we finally won't have to hear of there shitty, overhyped books anymore. I think that's a good enough ending.

It's still mean-spirited, and it's that mean spirit that pisses me off more than anything else.

Look, if you want to know spoilers, that's fine. But if someone does not want spoilers, you just don't tell them unless you're trying to be mean.

considering the thread title is asking for spoilers... it kinda hints that there will be spoilers in the thread... ;)

It's still mean-spirited, and it's that mean spirit that pisses me off more than anything else.

Look, if you want to know spoilers, that's fine. But if someone does not want spoilers, you just don't tell them unless you're trying to be mean.

Erm... I haven't seen any actual spoilers in this thread that weren't coded as such. And all the other spoilers that weren't coded (at least that I saw) were in threads clearly marked 'spoilers.' I truly fail to see the problem, since the damn things have been so bloody easy to avoid...

Some people like to know how things turn out. In fact, on NPR earlier this week, they did a whole show about people who skip to the end then read the book. It's more common than I thought! I do that sometimes, but with books I really like, I prefer to get to the end without knowing it. It's a matter pf preference.

The series finally ends, which is good because we finally won't have to hear of there shitty, overhyped books anymore. I think that's a good enough ending.
They leave alot open to people between the end and The End. Easy enough for some one to pick up the rights to write something in the between years.

They leave alot open to people between the end and The End. Easy enough for some one to pick up the rights to write something in the between years.

Forget getting the rights! I want to see some good fanfic about the intervening years! Maybe Resonant will write something...

EDIT: No, no she won't. She said her Potter muse left. le sigh.

Erm... I haven't seen any actual spoilers in this thread that weren't coded as such. And all the other spoilers that weren't coded (at least that I saw) were in threads clearly marked 'spoilers.' I truly fail to see the problem, since the damn things have been so bloody easy to avoid...

Some people like to know how things turn out. In fact, on NPR earlier this week, they did a whole show about people who skip to the end then read the book. It's more common than I thought! I do that sometimes, but with books I really like, I prefer to get to the end without knowing it. It's a matter pf preference.

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I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS THREAD!

I'm talking about in general, like YTMND's obsesesion with it, or Dosuun's "Vibrating Broomstick" thread that smacked everyone in the face with them.

GOD! It's amazing how dense people can be sometimes. This only came up because I was curious if Nazz was gathering spoilers here so he tell them to those who don't want them elsewhere. This thread itself is fine with me.

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I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS THREAD!

I'm talking about in general, like YTMND's obsesesion with it, or Dosuun's "Vibrating Broomstick" thread that smacked everyone in the face with them.

GOD! It's amazing how dense people can be sometimes. This only came up because I was curious if Nazz was gathering spoilers here so he tell them to those who don't want them elsewhere. This thread itself is fine with me.

Chill out already! I misunderstood, I'm not dense (about most things...)!

And BTW: Just telling people spoilers without asking first is kinda scummy. My dad kept doing that all night, I almost smacked him

The series finally ends, which is good because we finally won't have to hear of there shitty, overhyped books anymore. I think that's a good enough ending.
sorry to burst your bubble, but according to the lady herself, The author herself (JK Rowling)has supplied a bulletin of sorts about her next publications: an eighth Potter book, gathering together all her unpublished material to make an encyclopedia of Harry's world.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1501119/story.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10452629

Think the publishers, having seen 300 and something million book sales, will want to retire this golden egg-laying goose?
me no think so.

I've read not one of the books.

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I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS THREAD!

I'm talking about in general, like YTMND's obsesesion with it, or Dosuun's "Vibrating Broomstick" thread that smacked everyone in the face with them.

GOD! It's amazing how dense people can be sometimes. This only came up because I was curious if Nazz was gathering spoilers here so he tell them to those who don't want them elsewhere. This thread itself is fine with me.

Wow...remember what I said about over-reacting? Yeah...
misunderstandings happen. Chill the fuck out.

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

I had to share it with my brother and alternate reading it with him. We got it around 9 or 10 AM yesterday. He finished it around 7 PM and I finished around 1 AM.

Greystash dies.

;)

Deaths for no particular reason
Peter Pettigrew's magical hand strangling him
Dobby getting stabbed in the chest with a knife. How did that even happen? Is Bellatrix a master of knife throwing too?
Fred dieing in an explosion.

I still rekon she changed the book to make it easily into a film. That was the impression I got the whole way through, you can just see some of the actors saying some the lines...

Just so you know .... spoilers never ruined Hemmingway.

Just so you know .... spoilers never ruined Hemmingway.
Santiago catches a huge marlin but sharks eat it.

Santiago catches a huge marlin but sharks eat it.

tee hee :fluffle:

I heard something about Voldimort being Harry's real father!

Chill out already! I misunderstood, I'm not dense (about most things...)!

And BTW: Just telling people spoilers without asking first is kinda scummy. My dad kept doing that all night, I almost smacked him

Wow...remember what I said about over-reacting? Yeah...
misunderstandings happen. Chill the fuck out.

I apologize. It's just a subject that makes me really angry and I was perceiving an overly dense audience to my rantings. (Emphasis on perceiving.)

Again, I apologize.

considering the thread title is asking for spoilers... it kinda hints that there will be spoilers in the thread... ;)

Yeah--that's why I titled the thread as I did. I didn't want anyone who didn't want to read them to accidentally stumble in on the thread and get pissed.

The only time I have EVER regretted getting spoilers was for The Sixth Sense. Sometimes it can be fun to figure out how the plot goes, even if you know how it's going to end... Frex, I skipped ahead in The Incident at Badamya by Dorothy Gillman, and the revelation about the puppeteer didn't lessen my enjoyment of the role he played in the book. If anything, it made it better.

Good grief! After the psycho shoots Bruce Willis, the camera dollies up to the ceiling. It doesn't get any more obvious than that. I said to myself "he's dead" and the rest of the film turned into a procedural rather than a thriller.

As for HP#7, good stuff.

I thought it was one of the better ones, it didn't piss me off the way 5 did, or disappoint the way 6 did... I have just a few teensy problems with it...

SPOILERS:
1. How the hell did Neville pull the sword from the hat? I thought the goblin had it...

2. Why were they saying, particularly at the end, that there was only Nagini left to kill, but didn't know that Harry was a Horcrux... if Harry WASN'T a Horcrux, wouldn't that only make it six?

And 3. Why the HELL did she add the epilogue? Seriously, and extra page or so at the end of the real story, just a little bit of closure after all the wickedness, would have been much better, and much more effective, than that stupid future... everyone KNEW Harry and Ginny would get married, as would Ron and Hermione, so why tell us? Seriously, even a cheesy chat with McGonnagal about how the school will continue through the tradgedy etc. would have been better.

SPOILERS:
1. How the hell did Neville pull the sword from the hat? I thought the goblin had it...

2. Why were they saying, particularly at the end, that there was only Nagini left to kill, but didn't know that Harry was a Horcrux... if Harry WASN'T a Horcrux, wouldn't that only make it six?

And 3. Why the HELL did she add the epilogue? Seriously, and extra page or so at the end of the real story, just a little bit of closure after all the wickedness, would have been much better, and much more effective, than that stupid future... everyone KNEW Harry and Ginny would get married, as would Ron and Hermione, so why tell us? Seriously, even a cheesy chat with McGonnagal about how the school will continue through the tradgedy etc. would have been better.

SPOILER ANSWERS:
1) Someone already said that the Sword comes through the Sorting Hat to those who need it most. It was very similar to Harry getting the Sword randomly in the Chamber of Secrets in the second book.

2) Well, it would have been 6 Horcruces + the bit of soul in Voldemort currently = 7 pieces of soul, ha ha ha. Turns out that he accidentally made an extra one in Harry, making it 7 Horcruces and a total of 8 soul fragments. Oops.

3) I FULLY AGREE. D:

SPOILER ANSWERS:

Neville pulls the sword out of the Sorting Hat becuase that's how Harry did it in #2. The sword comes to Gryffindors in valiant need of it.

Harry was an unplanned Horcrux, meaning that Voldemort split his soul one more time than he'd planned...thus making him even more extra-wacked.

EDIT: Woop. Beaten to it.

Percy Weasley decides to stop being a douchebag.

I still rekon she changed the book to make it easily into a film. That was the impression I got the whole way through, you can just see some of the actors saying some the lines...

I can think of a few things that it will be hard to make PG-13.
Written, I guess it's fine, but I'm thinking of a certain character's death, and another character's injury that would be really awful for a young child to actually see on the screen.

Santiago catches a huge marlin but sharks eat it.

What??? oh man, you just ruined that book for me. *tosses book away.* :D

I can think of a few things that it will be hard to make PG-13.
Written, I guess it's fine, but I'm thinking of a certain character's death, and another character's injury that would be really awful for a young child to actually see on the screen.

I always said that by the time we got to the end we'd be looking at 'R' rated Harry Potter films.

In reality, they'll find a way. They'll probably just use "Disney Violence."

At least you had the respect to hide the text. I can appreciate that:p
I finished it in little under 4 hours, how long did it take you people?

6hrs.

I heard something about Voldimort being Harry's real father!

Nah, he isjust Harry's long lost, distant cousin. The ancestor to the Gaunts (Voldemort's family) was a Peverell brother, one of the people who has a 'Hallow' (the ring). Harry's ancestor was another Peverell brother, and also had a hallow (the cloak).

Percy Weasley decides to stop being a douchebag.

That was actually nice.

I would have preferred a little more in the epilogue about the near future instead of nineteen years down a very predictable road.

I still rekon she changed the book to make it easily into a film. That was the impression I got the whole way through, you can just see some of the actors saying some the lines...
Yup, I had that, too, although with me it wasn't the lines so much (even though there were quite a few things that read like typical Hollywood movie comic relief one-liners) as the "action sequences".
Never had that with any of the previous books even though also had those action-y parts and fights and stuff and thought it was very unfortunate.

I thought it was one of the better ones, it didn't piss me off the way 5 did, or disappoint the way 6 did... I have just a few teensy problems with it...

SPOILERS:
And 3. Why the HELL did she add the epilogue? Seriously, and extra page or so at the end of the real story, just a little bit of closure after all the wickedness, would have been much better, and much more effective, than that stupid future... everyone KNEW Harry and Ginny would get married, as would Ron and Hermione, so why tell us? Seriously, even a cheesy chat with McGonnagal about how the school will continue through the tradgedy etc. would have been better.
I couldn't agree more.

Nah, he isjust Harry's long lost, distant cousin. The ancestor to the Gaunts (Voldemort's family) was a Peverell brother, one of the people who has a 'Hallow' (the ring). Harry's ancestor was another Peverell brother, and also had a hallow (the cloak).Oh. Duh. I never even realized that connection.

That was actually nice.

I would have preferred a little more in the epilogue about the near future instead of nineteen years down a very predictable road.

Agreed again.

And I totally would have preferred stupid Percy to die instead of Fred. *stubborn*

Best one-liner: Mrs. Weasley calling Bellatrix a bitch. :p
Again pretty out-of-character and Hollywoodish, but it still made me laugh.

Agreed again.

And I totally would have preferred stupid Percy to die instead of Fred. *stubborn*

Yeah, but that would have been too easy, sad to say.

Page 478: "Potter, it was madness, utter madness, for you to enter this castle-"

Am I the only one who keeps thinking 'Madness? This Is HOGWARTS!' With someone kicking a death eater into a pit/chamber of secrets?

That was actually nice.

I would have preferred a little more in the epilogue about the near future instead of nineteen years down a very predictable road.

For example, we're told Neville Longbottom is teaching Herbology, but who's the headmaster? Why isn't Hermione teaching anything? What are Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny actually DOING for a living, for fuck's sake?

Yeah the Epilogue was really cheesy. Also uninformative.

Best one-liner: Mrs. Weasley calling Bellatrix a bitch. :p
Again pretty out-of-character and Hollywoodish, but it still made me laugh.

Bellatrix just killed Fred. If Molly hadn't said something to that effect I'd have been far more surprised.

For example, we're told Neville Longbottom is teaching Herbology, but who's the headmaster? Why isn't Hermione teaching anything? What are Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny actually DOING for a living, for fuck's sake?

Perhaps it will be explained in the movie?

Who cares about Harry Potter?

I certainly don't.

Who cares about Harry Potter?

I certainly don't.

Ok, Swilatia.

Why Did She Kill The Freaking Owl?????

Why Did She Kill The Freaking Owl?????

Coz she's an evil High Witch, and the owl clearly stood for all that is good and right and Christian on this earth... or something...

Bellatrix just killed Fred. If Molly hadn't said something to that effect I'd have been far more surprised.

I thought it was Rookwood that killed Fred.

I thought it was Rookwood that killed Fred.

I personally thought it was a Xenomorph Queen. Ripley would have come really handy in that book...

Bellatrix just killed Fred. If Molly hadn't said something to that effect I'd have been far more surprised.

I thought it was Rookwood that killed Fred.

1.) We don't know who killed Fred. He's killed when the side of the building is blasted off and spells are coming at them left and right from below in the grounds. Could have been anybody.

2.) @Kyronea: well, of course Mrs. Weasley is gonna hate her and fight her and not let her kill her daughter. I was talking about the choice of words here. "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!" is hardly typical for these books. I just reread them all and I'm pretty damn sure that the word "bitch" has never been uttered in the Harry Potter world up to then, not even by one of the kids in regards to Umbridge or Pansy Parkington or Aunt Petunia or whomever.

I don't read the books, but I'm sad for the owl.

Rounding the corner, Percy let out a bull-like roar, 'ROOKWOOD!'

After Fred's death. Wikipedia also says Rookwood is the killer.

2.) @Kyronea: well, of course Mrs. Weasley is gonna hate her and fight her and not let her kill her daughter. I was talking about the choice of words here. "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!" is hardly typical for these books. I just reread them all and I'm pretty damn sure that the word "bitch" has never been uttered in the Harry Potter world up to then, not even by one of the kids in regards to Umbridge or Pansy Parkington or Aunt Petunia or whomever.

Actually, in the first or second one, some relative of the Durselys makes a comment about Harry and his mother, along the lines of, "If there's something wrong with the bitch, . . ." I think Harry flips out or something.

EDIT: Aunt Marge, Vernon's sister, in Book 3, insults Harry's parents with it. Wiki never lies.

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Actually, in the first or second one, some relative of the Durselys makes a comment about Harry and his mother, along the lines of, "If there's something wrong with the bitch, . . ." I think Harry flips out or something.

EDIT: Aunt Marge, Vernon's sister, in Book 3, insults Harry's parents with it. Wiki never lies.

Why yes, but that's said in the sense of "the female dog" - remember how Aunt Marge's breeding dogs for a living? She makes that comparison to say that Harry had to turn out bad because his mother was bad, just as a puppy turns out bad when, well, the bitch was "sub-standard material".

I must say I've been rather surprised, but pleased at the Snape part of the ending - I have a friend who was borderline in love with Snape and kept saying he was good after all from the get-go, but then I thought he really crossed the line with killing Dumbledore (even if he 'needed' to because of the Unbreakable Vow or something), but that's been cleared up nicely.. though I'm still sceptical about Voldemort and his alleged Legilimency skills not having detected the double agency (especially after Snape's Occlumency skills seem to have failed him even with HP when the latter retrieved that embarrasing memory concerning James and Snape during their Occlumency lessons).

All in all, I'm rather happy it all ended now. I'm 21, so the books have basically accompanied me through my late teens, and I've enjoyed them very much - but now I slowly feel they don't give me quite what the did before anymore, but I know I'd still have the urge to buy and read them until the end because I'm way too hooked already. What kept throwing me off more and more as time went on are two things:

a) Harry's, and everyone else's, goddamn temper and their going completely beserk everytime they feel "insulted in their honor", or their family's honor, for that matter. I know pride, and all that, but I found it more than slightly annoying that the second somethign like that was mentioned, they utterly and completely lost their head(s) and couldn't be counted on to act like reasonable human beings anymore.

b) She kept repeating the same sentence fragments/words for certain things over and over, not only throughout the book series, but also within one book, e.g. "hands, the size of dustbin lids", "a handkerchief the size of a tablecloth", "tangled, matted hair", "his robes billowing behind him", "and once again, he knew instinctively" etc etc. After a while it gets really repetitive, not to mention aviodable.


Oh, and can somebody pleeeaase explain to me how we know from the epilogue that Ron and Hermione married, and that Rose and Hugo were their kids, and that the other kid was Malfoy's? (Or at leats somebody said so in this thread..) Might be that I just was too damn tired when I read that part, but I didn't catch those hints.. I know there was mentioning of Ron in there, and I've briefly wondered whether we knew about the names of Hermione's parents, but.. huh?

After Fred's death. Wikipedia also says Rookwood is the killer.
I totally looked it up in the book and I don't see where they get that from.

Page 511/512:

Harry sees the first death eaters inside Hogwarts: Percy duelling Thicknesse (and jinxing him so he loses his wand and is incapacitated), Fred duelling unnamed Death Eater who is promptly hit and knocked out by three stunning spells by Harry, Ron and Hermione.
Quick banter and then "The air exploded. They had been grouped together, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred and Percy, the two Death Eaters at their feet, one Stunned, the other Transfigured: and in that fragment of a moment, when danger seemed, temporarily, at bay, the world was rent apart. Harry felt himself flying through the air.[...] he was half-buried in the wreckage of the of a corridor that had been subjected to a terrible attack: cold air told him that the side of the castle had been blown away" and Fred is lying "on the ground where the wall had blasted apart." And only then (as opposed to how I remembered it earlier) the curses (and spiders) start to come at them from outside from the grounds, in the next chapter on page 513.

So Fred is killed by the explosion, not by the curses coming in afterwards as I said, but also definitely not by Rookwood.

Wiki totally lies. *nods*
I have way too much time on my hands. <<

Actually, in the first or second one, some relative of the Durselys makes a comment about Harry and his mother, along the lines of, "If there's something wrong with the bitch, . . ." I think Harry flips out or something.

EDIT: Aunt Marge, Vernon's sister, in Book 3, insults Harry's parents with it. Wiki never lies.
Curses, foiled by Aunt Marge. The bitch. :p
But no, wait, wait, wait - I remember that. *fetches book*
Okay, she says "It's one of the basic rules of breeding, [...] you see it all the time with dogs. If there's something wrong with the bitch, there'll be something wrong with the pup -"
So yeah, she uses the word, and extremely nastily, too, but not in the "Bitch!" sense.

I can't believe we're discussing this. :p

Oh, and can somebody pleeeaase explain to me how we know from the epilogue that Ron and Hermione married, and that Rose and Hugo were their kids, and that the other kid was Malfoy's? (Or at leats somebody said so in this thread..) Might be that I just was too damn tired when I read that part, but I didn't catch those hints.. I know there was mentioning of Ron in there, and I've briefly wondered whether we knew about the names of Hermione's parents, but.. huh?


Yeah, best just read the epilogue again, it's all in there. I swear. :p *pats tired SoWiBi*

EDit: Just to be clear: I'm not too lazy to explain, it's just that there isn't any way to do it without basically qutoing the whole epilogue, so yeah. ;P The only thing that's not made extra clear (well, as clear as can be with all those new names and kids and whatnot) is that Victoire has to be Bill's and Fleur's daughter, judging by the name.

Yeah, best just read the epilogue again, it's all in there. I swear. :p *pats tired SoWiBi*

*is off to read the damned thing again*


So yeah, she uses the word, and extremely nastily, too, but not in the "Bitch!" sense.
Hah! Got to that first. Now who's tired, eh? ;P

I can't believe we're discussing this. :p
That sums up my feelings on a lot of HP talk.. I've drawn the line on discussing dreams my potential discussion mates had concerning/starring HP after some truly troubling experiences with my flatmate.. *is still shuddering*

EDit: Just to be clear: I'm not too lazy to explain, it's just that there isn't any way to do it without basically qutoing the whole epilogue, so yeah. ;P The only thing that's not made extra clear (well, as clear as can be with all those new names and kids and whatnot) is that Victoire has to be Bill's and Fleur's daughter, judging by the name.

Aha. Well, off to read again, now.

ETA: Know what? I can't believe it! In my, uh, Confunded state, I must have not seperated the pages carefully enough; I just skipped over two pages like that! Now, of course, all is clear.. and I see there's mentioning of Teddy Lupin, which I'm very mouch in favor of, because Remus Lupin and Tonks were my favorite characters..

ETA: Know what? I can't believe it! In my, uh, Confunded state, I must have not seperated the pages carefully enough; I just skipped over two pages like that!
Haha, nah, it must be that crappy paper, that happened to me several times throughout the book. And I managed to drip exactly one (1) drop of water on one of the pages and holy crap, that paper is worse than a sponge! It utterly ruined a good half of that page plus of course the adjacent ones. I've never seen something like that. Craziness. *shakes head*
Sucks, too, because I want to re-sell the book on eBay because I usually buy the "adult" (hehe) version paper backs to hang on to.

Now, of course, all is clear.. and I see there's mentioning of Teddy Lupin, which I'm very mouch in favor of, because Remus Lupin and Tonks were my favorite characters..Yes, mine too! And I totally knew that Lupin would be killed, he was just such a terribly sad character all throughout all the books and broke my heart from the first second, so of course there was bound to be even more heartbreak. :( *sniffle*

That sums up my feelings on a lot of HP talk.. I've drawn the line on discussing dreams my potential discussion mates had concerning/starring HP after some truly troubling experiences with my flatmate.. *is still shuddering*

Just think Hermione and keep shuddering.

(especially after Snape's Occlumency skills seem to have failed him even with HP when the latter retrieved that embarrasing memory concerning James and Snape during their Occlumency lessons).

That was from the Pensieve; Harry didn't get it with Legilimency, so Snape couldn't have protected himself with Occlumency. The movie changed that part of the story, but in the book it made perfect sense.

Why Did She Kill The Freaking Owl?????

because the Owl was the most competent character in the series? :p

That was from the Pensieve; Harry didn't get it with Legilimency, so Snape couldn't have protected himself with Occlumency. The movie changed that part of the story, but in the book it made perfect sense.
Yes, I'm pretty sure he did. And why the fuck are we spoilering this? it was like 2 books ago.

Yes, mine too! And I totally knew that Lupin would be killed, he was just such a terribly sad character all throughout all the books and broke my heart from the first second, so of course there was bound to be even more heartbreak. :( *sniffle*
Uiui, never knew other people shared that, umm, sentiment of mine! I'm glad they had the baby, though, at least something good and lasting to come out of the relationship.. And I'm still very much for McGonagall getting the headmistress post; my next favorite character to take control ;P

Just think Hermione and keep shuddering.

Huh? I don't think you're getting what I'm getting, or else I'm just confused.. and no, I didn't mean to be sexually alluding in my previous post, in case that's what you're hinting at..

That was from the Pensieve; Harry didn't get it with Legilimency, so Snape couldn't have protected himself with Occlumency. The movie changed that part of the story, but in the book it made perfect sense.

Seeing how I've never watched the movie, that can't be why I messed that up.. but now that you say it I remember that. But I also still seem to remember that Snape was seriously challenged by HP's attempts at Legilimency with him.. I'll have a look at that part in the book if I can find it quickly.

ETA: (for good measure, I'll just requote Witt-Witt: "I can't believe we're discussing this")

I've found it; about two thirds into the 5th book (the Order of the Phoenix) we have HP in the second Occlumency lessons secne where he enters Snape's mind when repelling the Legilimens curse, accesing memories of Snape's unpleasant childhood / teenage years (though admittedly none of them have to do with James). Although he does achieve that using a Shield Charm rather than true Legilimency, an Occlumens good enough to work against Voldemort should surely be able to not let that happen..?

Seeing how I've never watched the movie, that can't be why I messed that up.. but now that you say it I remember that. But I also still seem to remember that Snape was seriously challenged by HP's attempts at Legilimency with him.. I'll have a look at that part in the book if I can find it quickly.
He was, but only one or two times before he could stop it, I think. Either way, you're still right, because he would have had to be impenetrable to pull off all that time in front of Voldemort...


Oh, and as for McGonagall: I totally decided for myself that she'd be headmistress in Epilogue Hogwarts. *nods*

Huh? I don't think you're getting what I'm getting, or else I'm just confused.. and no, I didn't mean to be sexually alluding in my previous post, in case that's what you're hinting at.

Damn. :(