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For some strange reason, under English labelling rules(which by the way are kinda rubbish), a company can label the following as 'pure' orange juice (as long as they also write "from concentrate" underneath, which can be in smaller writing - they didn't used to have to do this though):

Orange juice which has been obtained by the following method:

1. The oranges are picked.
2. They are peeled and dehydrated (so that it's easier to transport lots of tham)
3. They are shipped to England (for who knows how long it takes to get here)
4. Water (probably tap water, which as you'll know if you've ever tasted filtered water, tastes very different from more natural water that hasn't undergone chemical cleaning) is added to 'bring the juice back to it's original strength

The result is something that tastes VERY different from orange juice that has been squeezed and bottles without being dehydrated and rehydrated (in other words, GENUINE pure orange juice)

Discuss.

I drink fresh-squeezed occasionally. The stuff in the jug at the supermarket isn't too different, I don't think. Not tastewise at least. As for tap water, I drink no other kind. Why not? :)

Yes.

You win the thread

Yes.

I prefer red, but purple is a close second. Orange will do in a pinch.

I drink fresh-squeezed occasionally. The stuff in the jug at the supermarket isn't too different, I don't think. Not tastewise at least. As for tap water, I drink no other kind. Why not? :)

Well I dunno what country you're from, but buy a carton of 'pure' orange juice that says 'from concentrate' on it and compare it with a carton/bottle of 'freshy squeezed' orange juice - there is a VERY different taste.

I like my purple drink kthnx

Well I dunno what country you're from, but buy a carton of 'pure' orange juice that says 'from concentrate' on it and compare it with a carton/bottle of 'freshy squeezed' orange juice - there is a VERY different taste.

I don't need to *buy* fresh-squeezed. ;) Lots of it growing wild here - good times. The taste is a bit sharper, a bit tangier, and of course the pulp makes a difference (I don't strain much of it away). But the stuff in the jug's not too different, I still say. It's smooth and a bit milder, that's all.

I like my purple drink kthnx

Seriously, wtf is juice?

I like my purple drink kthnx

:(

It's just the same as all that food labelling bs. Like 'Fresh Frozen' or 'Virtually Fat-free', or '98% fat-free'.
Just total bs.

It's just the same as all that food labelling bs. Like 'Fresh Frozen' or 'Virtually Fat-free', or '98% fat-free'.
Just total bs.

Anti-bacterial. :D

As if there is a product that is Pro-bacterial.

it says "from concentrate" so quit whining. I have actual real food labeling issues that I have to deal with.

In fact, I am still trying to contact anyone that might have a brain at the FDA about the fact that gluten at 20/ppm is still too much gluten for them to label things gluten free. If something says "gluten free" that should mean gluten free, not "it's only got a bit of the toxic substance that could kill you"

:headbang::mad:

It's just the same as all that food labelling bs. Like 'Fresh Frozen' or 'Virtually Fat-free', or '98% fat-free'.
Just total bs.

While I don't mind OJ from concentrate, I agree with these. :p

Although if anyone ever calls me fat, I can always insist that I'm 85% fat-free, or whatever being slightly overweight is, percentagewise. :)

it says "from concentrate" so quit whining. I have actual real food labeling issues that I have to deal with.

In fact, I am still trying to contact anyone that might have a brain at the FDA about the fact that gluten at 20/ppm is still too much gluten for them to label things gluten free. If something says "gluten free" that should mean gluten free, not "it's only got a bit of the toxic substance that could kill you"

:headbang::mad:
I thought you were Canadian now?

Anti-bacterial. :D

As if there is a product that is Pro-bacterial.

Yogurt?

I don't need to *buy* fresh-squeezed. ;) Lots of it growing wild here - good times. The taste is a bit sharper, a bit tangier, and of course the pulp makes a difference (I don't strain much of it away). But the stuff in the jug's not too different, I still say. It's smooth and a bit milder, that's all.

Since you keep saying "the stuff in the jug", which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me since orange juice can't be bought in jugs from supermarkets, I'm guessing you're from a different country where they label stuff differently. Whether I'm right or wrong with that guess, please explain what you mean (and if I'm right, why have you posted in this thread since you don't have cartons of juice labelled 'pure orange juice from concentrate'?)

Yogurt?

Yeah, but they should really put that on the product. *removes stocks from yogurt companies*

Since you keep saying "the stuff in the jug", which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me since orange juice can't be bought in jugs from supermarkets, I'm guessing you're from a different country where they label stuff differently. Whether I'm right or wrong with that guess, please explain what you mean (and if I'm right, why have you posted in this thread since you don't have cartons of juice labelled 'pure orange juice from concentrate'?)

I'm posting from the U.S., where I do most of my shopping. Sorry about that - I'd seen jugs in other countries, so I just assumed it was the norm. Although cartons can be found here too - it will usually say 'pure orange juice from concentrate,' which is why I posted. ;) I've tried both, believe me. Those are just my observations on the difference.

The only orange juice I really don't like is the stuff with the grainy vitamin/calcium mixture added. I just don't like the texture. :(

I'm posting from the U.S., where I do most of my shopping. Sorry about that - I'd seen jugs in other countries, so I just assumed it was the norm. Although cartons can be found here too - it will usually say 'pure orange juice from concentrate,' which is why I posted. ;) I've tried both, believe me. Those are just my observations on the difference.

The only orange juice I really don't like is the stuff with the grainy vitamin/calcium mixture added. I just don't like the texture. :(

Then maybe 'from concentrate' means something different in the countries you've tried it from. Because I promise you, a bottle of 'pure orange juice from concentrate' and a bottle of 'freshly squeezed orange juice', even if they're both from the chiller section, tastes VERY different in England

Since you keep saying "the stuff in the jug", which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me since orange juice can't be bought in jugs from supermarkets, I'm guessing you're from a different country where they label stuff differently. Whether I'm right or wrong with that guess, please explain what you mean (and if I'm right, why have you posted in this thread since you don't have cartons of juice labelled 'pure orange juice from concentrate'?)


I've had orange juice in a jug...

I've had orange juice in a jug...

So have I, but I've never seen it for sale in a jug in a supermarket

For fuck sake, stop using every bloody food/drink thread as a chance to vent your frustrations about your health problems!

Yes, you have a gluten allergy. Yes, I am sorry for that fact. Yes, I think it takes the piss that companies don't label food properly and that they don't make gluten-free foods that don't cost three times the price of their gluten-free alternatives (with a few exceptions in England). But NO, I don't need to hear about all this on every thread that just happens to mention a SPECIFIC type of crappy labelling.

Anyway how many druggies do you think would accept weed that they were told was "this stuff is pure... from concentrate" - it aint pure if it's from concentrate.

And you're in the country of lawsuits, surely you can just sue the FDA or someone till the labelling is changed?

Someone needs a hug. :fluffle:

Then maybe 'from concentrate' means something different in the countries you've tried it from. Because I promise you, a bottle of 'pure orange juice from concentrate' and a bottle of 'freshly squeezed orange juice', even if they're both from the chiller section, tastes VERY different in England

I do prefer fresh-squeezed, no question. Maybe the difference is greater other places - that could easily be the case. Most of the stuff here is grown here I'm sure, so it probably gets to stores faster. That might be part of it. Then again, I've had McDonald's orange juice, which I would think to be the lowest possible quality, and it wasn't too bad. :p

I do prefer fresh-squeezed, no question. Maybe the difference is greater other places - that could easily be the case. Most of the stuff here is grown here I'm sure, so it probably gets to stores faster. That might be part of it. Then again, I've had McDonald's orange juice, which I would think to be the lowest possible quality, and it wasn't too bad. :p

Ya tis possible. But also Maccy D's probably get it from the USa too, so it would also get to stores quicker. And in my Maccy D's, they only sell the 'freshly squeezed' kind (which again is not quite true labelling since it WAS freshly squeezed but then shoved in a bottle in the fridge for a long time, but at least it's not dehydrated and rehydrated with tap water)

Yes, it tastes slightly different, but it's labeled as such, so I'm not entirely sure what more you want.

I always want to put tap water in the empty bottle of bottled water and see if those who claim that it's 'far superior' even notice. :p

I thought you were Canadian now?

not yet. It's still up in the air at this point, but it's like 75% before the end of 2007 that we would move.

Yeah, but they should really put that on the product. *removes stocks from yogurt companies*

A lot of them do say that they're pro-biotic

Discuss.
Discuss what exactly? Whether or not orange juice from concentrate tastes different to OJ not from concentrate? Hardly much of a discussion, unless this were a forum exclusively for people with no sense of taste.

2. They are peeled and dehydrated (so that it's easier to transport lots of tham)

not that i am disagreeing with that fact that from concentrate doesn't taste as good as fresh squeezed. oranges used to be very hard to transport because of the shelf life oranges had. it would rot before it got to the store in some cases. so they invented a method of dehydrating the oranges so that they last longer and can be shipped to much further destinations.thus making it possible for people in none tropical climates enjoy the resemblance of oranges.

since then due to technology advances it is possible to either grow oranges in a controlled environment in none tropical areas or ship them much further distances.

I only drink orange juice in the morning and so it doesn't matter to me, I can't taste nothing in the morning.

I can't taste nothing in the morning.

You can taste everything in the morning then

We've got a very good tap water over here, so it's all fine by me :)

By definition, this orange juice is "pure". Why? Because I can't see any impurities getting into it. About the only place I could see this happening is when they add the water back, and if that is impure then England has some serious problems.

Another technicality I can see people whining about is additives such as preservatives as being "impure". Well what do you rather have? An orange juice that goes sour within hours of opening or something that lasts couple of days in the fridge?

You can taste everything in the morning then

Not necessarily. He just can't not taste anything. So he's always tasting something, which isn't necessarily tasting everything.

Not necessarily. He just can't not taste anything. So he's always tasting something, which isn't necessarily tasting everything.

Damn you :p

hmmmm you need the labelling because of the different ways orange juice is sold

fresh squeezed means it was just prepared by squeezing juice from oranges

freshsqeezed not from concentrate pure orange juice in a carton (i dont understand the "jug" controversy) means that its orange juice sqeezed from oranges and sold in cartons.

pure orange juice from concentrate means that all that is in it is orange juice and water to reconstitute it.

orange juice from concentrate in a carton might mean that it has preservatives and/or flavor enhancers and/or added sugar

orange juice concentrate means you have to add your own water

orange drink means that it kinda almost tastes like its made with oranges but its not necessarily so.

so, DUH, you have to pay attention when you buy orange juice in the store.

For some strange reason, under English labelling rules(which by the way are kinda rubbish), a company can label the following as 'pure' orange juice (as long as they also write "from concentrate" underneath, which can be in smaller writing - they didn't used to have to do this though):

Orange juice which has been obtained by the following method:

1. The oranges are picked.
2. They are peeled and dehydrated (so that it's easier to transport lots of tham)
3. They are shipped to England (for who knows how long it takes to get here)
4. Water (probably tap water, which as you'll know if you've ever tasted filtered water, tastes very different from more natural water that hasn't undergone chemical cleaning) is added to 'bring the juice back to it's original strength

The result is something that tastes VERY different from orange juice that has been squeezed and bottles without being dehydrated and rehydrated (in other words, GENUINE pure orange juice)

Discuss.

IT'S JUICE.

IT'S FROM AN ORANGE.

DRINK IT AND STOP COMPLAINING.

I always want to put tap water in the empty bottle of bottled water and see if those who claim that it's 'far superior' even notice. :pI'm sure it'd depend on just where the tap you drew the water from was.

I can easily tell the difference between my well water, and the (better) store-brand bottled. What do they put in the bottle? Filtered tap water, from some other city.

I used to like our tap water, but when the area got built up, the taste changed in...ominous ways.

As for O.J., I think it all sucks regardless of processing. It's nowhere near sweet enough for a juice. And a lot of brands have the annoying habit of not straining out the debris (which they market as "pulp" as if that's some good thing).

I always want to put tap water in the empty bottle of bottled water and see if those who claim that it's 'far superior' even notice. :pIn Holland you can't taste the difference, it is thesame.:p

And that's true.:)

Seriously, wtf is juice?

The blood of fruits and vegetables.

IT'S JUICE.

IT'S FROM AN ORANGE.

DRINK IT AND STOP COMPLAINING.

It's not though. It doesn't even taste like juice from an orange. And it makes my head go funny

1. The oranges are picked.
2. They are peeled and dehydrated (so that it's easier to transport lots of tham)
3. They are shipped to England (for who knows how long it takes to get here)
4. Water (probably tap water, which as you'll know if you've ever tasted filtered water, tastes very different from more natural water that hasn't undergone chemical cleaning) is added to 'bring the juice back to it's original strength

Note quite.

Orange for juice is not picked, except in the sense of 'picked off the floor'.

The best oranges go to market. The droppings from the orchard floor go to juice and baby food, marmalade and etc.,

Much like cigarette tobacco, which is often the crap swept from the floor as well.

Or burgers, which are crushed bone and gristle.

The list goes on.

Mass market foods are the lowest grade foods for a reason.

The blood of fruits and vegetables.

That's more like sap. Thus, pancakes and waffles are property consumed bathed in the blood of the maple tree.

Juice is more like interstitial fluids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstitial_fluid).


And a lot of brands have the annoying habit of not straining out the debris (which they market as "pulp" as if that's some good thing).


That debris is dietary fiber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_fiber) which helps keep things flowing properly. Which is definitely a good thing. Although eating the entire fruit would be a better source of fiber.

Having been a Quality Assurance Officer for a juice company it is quite simple.
1) Orange Juice - from brazil in 200L concentrate barrels, add sugar syrup (80kg of sugar per 50L of distilled water), add VitC.

2) NAS OJ - as above with no added sugar

3) premium/concentrate free/black label OJ - fresh squeezed from oranges out of cold store - these are kept for up to 8 months in cold store otherwise as (1)

4) NAS premium OJ - as (3) with no added sugar.


other juices are different... for example the grape juice was usually 20,000L of water, VitC added and then 15-20ml of concentrate grape flavouring - yes 20ml diluted into 20,000 L.

In Holland you can't taste the difference, it is thesame.:p

And that's true.:)

Not in UK though - there was some taste test on TV and most people preferred mineral water.

Having been a Quality Assurance Officer for a juice company it is quite simple.
1) Orange Juice - from brazil in 200L concentrate barrels, add sugar syrup (80kg of sugar per 50L of distilled water), add VitC.

2) NAS OJ - as above with no added sugar

3) premium/concentrate free/black label OJ - fresh squeezed from oranges out of cold store - these are kept for up to 8 months in cold store otherwise as (1)

4) NAS premium OJ - as (3) with no added sugar.


other juices are different... for example the grape juice was usually 20,000L of water, VitC added and then 15-20ml of concentrate grape flavouring - yes 20ml diluted into 20,000 L.


As I've not scene such labelling, I can only assume you are referring to a country other than England. I was referring to England.

see... we exported to the UK - i am quite familiar with your labels

I only drink soda and gatorade.

Since you keep saying "the stuff in the jug", which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me since orange juice can't be bought in jugs from supermarkets, I'm guessing you're from a different country where they label stuff differently. Whether I'm right or wrong with that guess, please explain what you mean (and if I'm right, why have you posted in this thread since you don't have cartons of juice labelled 'pure orange juice from concentrate'?)

http://www.dolejuice.com/Products/Chilled/OrangeJuice.asp

We do have it here in the states (look at the 100% Orange Juice graphic on the left side of the page) and it is available here in jugs in supermarkets.

Note quite.

Orange for juice is not picked, except in the sense of 'picked off the floor'.

The best oranges go to market. The droppings from the orchard floor go to juice and baby food, marmalade and etc.,

Much like cigarette tobacco, which is often the crap swept from the floor as well.

Or burgers, which are crushed bone and gristle.

The list goes on.

Mass market foods are the lowest grade foods for a reason.

I can't speak to McDonalds or any other fast food place, but most hamburgers are made with regular ground beef, which is usually the stuff not good enough to be sold as whole cuts.

Now Bologna on the other hand, that's mechanically separated meat (or Mechanically Deboned Meat). It's not meat per se, it sorta is, but it's mostly marrow, gristle and bonemeal. Lovely stuff, got this thick clay like consistency fresh out of the machine. Is it ever a bitch to clean up, it's very heavy and when you try to wash it off something with a hose the shit splatters everywhere.

I can't speak to McDonalds or any other fast food place, but most hamburgers are made with regular ground beef, which is usually the stuff not good enough to be sold as whole cuts.

Now Bologna on the other hand, that's mechanically separated meat (or Mechanically Deboned Meat). It's not meat per se, it sorta is, but it's mostly marrow, gristle and bonemeal. Lovely stuff, got this thick clay like consistency fresh out of the machine. Is it ever a bitch to clean up, it's very heavy and when you try to wash it off something with a hose the shit splatters everywhere.

In the US you almost have to ask the FDA for their dictionary because words don't mean the same to them as they do to anyone else. The major food processors have paid the politicians enough to totally change the meaning of words.

There is a difference between "ground beef" and "hamburger". Ground beef is what you buy in the grocery that is made up of waste muscular tissue left over after the good cuts are taken off.

"100% Beef" is anything that comes out of a bovine animal. And don't even ask about the health or condition of the animal. Only since "mad cow" became a problem has the animal been required to walk. But, since some of you may be eating, I won't describe the growths that can be on or in the animal.

"Lunch meat" is a step down from "100% Beef". If it's defined as edible it can go in.

What ever is left is "tanked" and goes to dog food or other animal food as a source of protein. Before "mad cow" it was even fed to other cows.

Anything that is not digestible finds a home. Things like gall stones and kidney stones go to Asia for traditional medicine.

There's an old saying----The only thing they don't sell is the squeal.

Another technicality I can see people whining about is additives such as preservatives as being "impure". Well what do you rather have? An orange juice that goes sour within hours of opening or something that lasts couple of days in the fridge?I complain about additives because all they list the ingredients as are 'flavours', 'preservatives', or 'colours' without telling you what exactly they have added to the food. Most foods would have their ingredient list more than doubled if they had to list all their flavours separately.

hmmmm you need the labelling because of the different ways orange juice is sold

fresh squeezed means it was just prepared by squeezing juice from oranges

freshsqeezed not from concentrate pure orange juice in a carton (i dont understand the "jug" controversy) means that its orange juice sqeezed from oranges and sold in cartons.

pure orange juice from concentrate means that all that is in it is orange juice and water to reconstitute it.

orange juice from concentrate in a carton might mean that it has preservatives and/or flavor enhancers and/or added sugar

orange juice concentrate means you have to add your own water

orange drink means that it kinda almost tastes like its made with oranges but its not necessarily so.

so, DUH, you have to pay attention when you buy orange juice in the store.In the UK we also have 'juice drink'. This means that the drink contains a certain amount of fruit juice plus shit loads of sugar.

other juices are different... for example the grape juice was usually 20,000L of water, VitC added and then 15-20ml of concentrate grape flavouring - yes 20ml diluted into 20,000 L.Meh, I don't find this surprising. Especially as a human sense of smell can detect substances as low as 3 parts per trillion.

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In the UK we also have 'juice drink'. This means that the drink contains a certain amount of fruit juice plus shit loads of sugar.


We have that in the US also. I think the ratio is 10% juice and 90% sugar-water (with some vitamin C to make it sound healthy). And lots of times they cut other juice with apple juice because apple is cheaper.

I buy as much as possible from "organic" growers and locally grown, but oranges don't grow in Missouri.

We have that in the US also. I think the ratio is 10% juice and 90% sugar-water (with some vitamin C to make it sound healthy). And lots of times they cut other juice with apple juice because apple is cheaper.

I buy as much as possible from "organic" growers and locally grown, but oranges don't grow in Missouri.You know how all meat sorta tastes like chicken? Well deep down all fruit kinda tastes like apples. You just a few other flavours and you can have strawberry or pear or whatever fruit you like flavour.

Google seems to suggest that apple flavour is ethyl-2-methyl butyrate.

I don't much care if they most of the whole range of derived ingredients, I just wish they'd tell rather than dressing them up in fancy names. Like monosodium glutamate coming under a large number of names - at least five as I recall. I try and keep my intake of glutamate no higher than necessary as a there is strong evidence that the chemical is linked to normal-tension glaucoma.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2957

Now Bologna on the other hand, that's mechanically separated meat (or Mechanically Deboned Meat). It's not meat per se, it sorta is, but it's mostly marrow, gristle and bonemeal. Lovely stuff, got this thick clay like consistency fresh out of the machine. Is it ever a bitch to clean up, it's very heavy and when you try to wash it off something with a hose the shit splatters everywhere.
Eeeewww... no wonder that shit made me sick when I was a kid. I used to eat that stuff every day for lunch and then one day I just threw up right after eating it... I could never eat bologna again.