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The Neocons were right!

PsychoticDan
20-07-2007, 18:26
http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2007-07/31299337.jpg

God, how I hate those faces.

REALITY mugs us all, in the end.

In those heady post-9/11 days when the nation's stunned acquiescence made the neoconservative dream of limitless executive and U.S. power seem eminently attainable, the gang running the White House grew fond of quoting pundit Irving Kristol's aphorism: "A neoconservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality."

In this smug formulation, "reality" was understood to mean violence and power — epitomized both by the terrorist attacks that brought down the Twin Towers in a hail of falling bodies and burning rubble, and by the planned U.S. response in Afghanistan and (later) Iraq. To the neocons, "reality" was bombs, blood and fire; the transformative effects of shock and awe.

In a much-quoted 2004 New York Times Magazine article, journalist Ron Suskind described a 2002 conversation with a senior Bush advisor — widely assumed to be Karl Rove — who added an extra gloss to Kristol's aphorism, making it clear that "reality" can mean different things to different people.

As Suskind relates the story: "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.' "

Those comments have been widely mocked by critics of the administration. What hubris, to imagine that your vision and actions can reshape the world according to your wishes! And for many people, recent events, in Iraq and elsewhere, have only validated this early scorn for the neoconservative understanding of "reality."

This week, for instance, saw the release of the latest National Intelligence Estimate, representing the consensus views of the nation's 16 intelligence agencies. The document offers a chilling account of the world we now live in: a resurgent Al Qaeda, a rapidly growing extremist Islamic movement, a rise in global terrorist threats and out-of-control violence in Iraq.

So it's understandable that many administration critics now conclude, with some satisfaction, that the neocon conception of how "reality" works has been permanently discredited. If empires can choose to create their own realities, why hasn't Bush's American Empire created a stable, more peaceful world? Why aren't we safer than we were before 9/11? The neocons deluded themselves into imagining they could control reality, but in the end, aren't they the ones who've just been mugged? But it's not that simple.

In a very real sense, Suskind's "senior Bush advisor" has been proved more right than wrong. The administration did create realities to match its darkest visions, reshaping the world with remarkable speed and thoroughness.

In 2001, administration stalwarts suggested that Osama bin Laden rivaled Hitler in the danger he posed to U.S. security and insisted that Al Qaeda's power was so great that nothing short of a "global war on terror" was required.

At that time, most experts say, this description of Al Qaeda simply wasn't true. It was little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well financed and intermittently lethal but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull. On 9/11, they got lucky — but despite the unexpected success of their attack on the U.S., they did not pose an imminent mortal threat to the nation.

Today, things are different. Thanks to U.S. policies, Al Qaeda has become the vast global threat the administration imagined it to be in 2001. Our ham-handed detention and interrogation tactics and our ill-advised invasion of Iraq have alienated vast swathes of the Islamic world, fueling extremism and anti-Americanism. Today, Al Qaeda is no longer a single organization. Now it's a franchise, with new gangs of terrorists around the world proudly seizing the "Al Qaeda" affiliation.

Other neocon fantasies have also come true. In 2003, there was no alliance between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, and no Al Qaeda-linked terrorist groups in Iraq. Today, thanks to the administration's actions, Iraq has become a prime training and recruiting ground for Al Qaeda, and the NIE has declared Al Qaeda in Iraq one of the greatest threats to U.S. peace and security.

Welcome to the neocons' reality.

Suskind's senior Bush aide was right all along. When an empire acts, it creates new realities — for better or for worse — and all the rest us are left to study those new realities. And, unfortunately, to live with them.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks20jul20,0,4584141.column?coll=la-opinion-center
Rubiconic Crossings
20-07-2007, 18:29
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19872260/

just to cheer you up...
Nouvelle Wallonochia
20-07-2007, 18:30
I read the title as "The Necrons were right!"

Confused for a second...
Leafanistan
20-07-2007, 18:33
We will not support this heresy against the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind. Expect the Inquisition knocking on your door soon.
Aryavartha
20-07-2007, 18:44
Aren't Neo-cons by definition, right ? :confused:



:p
Deus Malum
20-07-2007, 18:45
I read the title as "The Necrons were right!"

Confused for a second...

Weren't they, though?
PsychoticDan
20-07-2007, 18:51
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19872260/

just to cheer you up...

While the part about Cheney cheers me up, it is kinda cool knowing that Bush is going to have some hoses shoved up his ass. :)
Unabashed Greed
20-07-2007, 18:55
The war and bloodshed seem like just a the means, not thew end. If you look at things right now within the government itself, you could say that they're also creaming their jeans. Both the departments of State, and Justice are severely understaffed right now, we're spending huge money on two armed conflicts that aren't going so well, "the office of faith based initiatives", running the budget at a huge deficit, and borrowing more, etc., etc. All, of course, leading to the inevitable cock-block of any kind of initiative on national health care, or any public service at all for that matter.

I think that somehow they must have honestly gotten it their heads that the government of the US, in its entirety, needs to be destroyed, and reconstructed as some kind of conservative monarchy. Where the richest rules, and the poor get the "privilege" of working for them until they're eighty-five...
Intangelon
20-07-2007, 19:04
The Inquisition? Well I certainly wasn't expecting THAT!


Well...nobody does.
Kyronea
20-07-2007, 19:05
We will not support this heresy against the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind. Expect the Inquisition knocking on your door soon.

The Inquisition? Well I certainly wasn't expecting THAT!

And congratulations, dickweeds. Had you not acted as if the threat existed when it wasn't there, we could have settled the problem easily by sensible reactions to 9/11 and the like. But no, you had to overreact and go after nations that had nothing to do with it, and now--surprise surprise--you created the very threat you were trying to combat!
Rubiconic Crossings
20-07-2007, 19:23
While the part about Cheney cheers me up, it is kinda cool knowing that Bush is going to have some hoses shoved up his ass. :)

True...it does have an upside...
Unabashed Greed
20-07-2007, 19:26
It seems interesting to me that two of our recent republican presidents have had trouble with their assholes... :eek:
The_pantless_hero
20-07-2007, 19:32
Is it just me or does Bush look like he is trying to see through Rove's ears?
PsychoticDan
20-07-2007, 19:54
Is it just me or does Bush look like he is trying to see through Rove's ears?

No, he's whispering, "ohhh, yeah, baby. I'm gonna rub you all over your sweet body. Ohhhh, you like that, ha? You like when I talk dirty don't you you little slut! Oh, I just wanna stick my man missle all the way up that love tunnel of yours and make you go wild, baby!"
Neo Undelia
20-07-2007, 20:01
No, he's whispering, "ohhh, yeah, baby. I'm gonna rub you all over your sweet body. Ohhhh, you like that, ha? You like when I talk dirty don't you you little slut! Oh, I just wanna stick my man missle all the way up that love tunnel of yours and make you go wild, baby!"

What the hell is wrong with you?
Gift-of-god
20-07-2007, 20:07
No, he's whispering, "ohhh, yeah, baby. I'm gonna rub you all over your sweet body. Ohhhh, you like that, ha? You like when I talk dirty don't you you little slut! Oh, I just wanna stick my man missle all the way up that love tunnel of yours and make you go wild, baby!"

You haven't been around lately, Dan, and the forum has been the poorer for it.
Fleckenstein
20-07-2007, 20:09
No, he's whispering, "ohhh, yeah, baby. I'm gonna rub you all over your sweet body. Ohhhh, you like that, ha? You like when I talk dirty don't you you little slut! Oh, I just wanna stick my man missle all the way up that love tunnel of yours and make you go wild, baby!"

"I'm gonna hide my weapon of mass destruction in your back bunker until you scream for the UN."
Lunatic Goofballs
20-07-2007, 20:11
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19872260/

just to cheer you up...

Can't they just have Cheney feel around?
PsychoticDan
20-07-2007, 20:14
You haven't been around lately, Dan, and the forum has been the poorer for it.

Thank you.:)
PsychoticDan
20-07-2007, 20:15
Can't they just have Cheney feel around?

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AhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

(weez, weez)

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rubiconic Crossings
20-07-2007, 20:21
No, he's whispering, "ohhh, yeah, baby. I'm gonna rub you all over your sweet body. Ohhhh, you like that, ha? You like when I talk dirty don't you you little slut! Oh, I just wanna stick my man missle all the way up that love tunnel of yours and make you go wild, baby!"

BBWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Katganistan
20-07-2007, 20:58
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The_pantless_hero
20-07-2007, 21:02
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Not if it has the improper number of hands.
Katganistan
20-07-2007, 21:06
Not if it has the improper number of hands.

;) Don't get saucy with me, Bernaise!