NationStates Jolt Archive

It seems that there's thousands of us who are opposed the war, who yet in effect do nothing to put an end it. We will wait, well disposed, for others to remedy the evil, that we may no longer have to regret. At most, we only give a cheap vote. It seems those of us who disapprove of the character and measures of our government, yield to it by their allegiance and support are undoubtedly it most conscientious supports, and so frequently the obstacles of a reform. It's unfortunate as well that most of us meet the American government or represanative directly, and face to face, once a year in the person of its tax-gatherer, this is the only mode in wihch a man situated as I necessary meets it. What i'm saying too is our government doesn't recognize we disagree with this war, and as an individual we are the basis of the government. It's disgusting that nothing's been done.

It seems that there's thousands of us who are opposed the war, who yet in effect do nothing to put an end it. We will wait, well disposed, for others to remedy the evil, that we may no longer have to regret. At most, we only give a cheap vote. It seems those of us who disapprove of the character and measures of our government, yield to it by their allegiance and support are undoubtedly it most conscientious supports, and so frequently the obstacles of a reform. It's unfortunate as well that most of us meet the American government or represanative directly, and face to face, once a year in the person of its tax-gatherer, this is the only mode in wihch a man situated as I necessary meets it. What i'm saying too is our government doesn't recognize we disagree with this war, and as an individual we are the basis of the government. It's disgusting that nothing's been done.

I guess your complaining about us lazy anti-war people who aren't doing anything to end the war...

The question I pose back is...what could we do?

I guess your complaining about us lazy anti-war people who aren't doing anything to end the war...

The question I pose back is...what could we do?

Become the followers of Cindy Sheehan?

It seems that there's thousands of us who are opposed the war, who yet in effect do nothing to put an end it. We will wait, well disposed, for others to remedy the evil, that we may no longer have to regret. At most, we only give a cheap vote. It seems those of us who disapprove of the character and measures of our government, yield to it by their allegiance and support are undoubtedly it most conscientious supports, and so frequently the obstacles of a reform. It's unfortunate as well that most of us meet the American government or represanative directly, and face to face, once a year in the person of its tax-gatherer, this is the only mode in wihch a man situated as I necessary meets it. What i'm saying too is our government doesn't recognize we disagree with this war, and as an individual we are the basis of the government. It's disgusting that nothing's been done.

Eh? Who meets a tax-gatherer face-to-face each year? If some guy wearing a top hat and monacle has been coming to your door, ringing the bell, and collecting your taxes, you may not have really been paying them. :p

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "social change." War isn't a matter of social policy, and support for or opposition to it probably isn't a matter of social outlook, but rather your personal politics and view of our role in the world.

Organise a march, write to your MP/Senator or whatever, spray graffitti on subway trains, hunger strike, one of those irritating emails that turn up in my inbox on occassion.

If we stand by and do nothing the we are just as guilty as the aggressor (according to Ghandi - probably).

1. Go to your local government building
2 . Throw Molotov cocktails.
3. Chant revolutionary slogans
4. ???
5> Profit

Organise a march, write to your MP/Senator or whatever, spray graffitti on subway trains, hunger strike, one of those irritating emails that turn up in my inbox on occassion.

If we stand by and do nothing the we are just as guilty as the aggressor (according to Ghandi - probably).

Eh the problem is that Americans has become pretty sedated, as long as they got their entertainment, food, and jobs, they don't care, they really don't. Americans nowadays are more concern with Brittney Spears, or the next American Idol than what those in powers are doing. It's a sad reality.

well all people of this country have the right to recognize change, that is, refusing allegiance and to resit the government because of its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. I just think a lot of us are choosing to become a minority and we all know we're becoming powerless when we are conforming to the people who run the white house. This probably sounds dumb and perhaps inefficient at this point, but we need to stage more protest, do something make our politicians here us. Michael Moore did bring up some very good points about our media and how they're aren't asking poignant questions to these politicians. We do need to organize something, I'm not calling for a revolution because that's perhaps too ambitious, but a lot of people think someone else will stand up to the government. Noone has, this country is being dictated too, we're suppose to represent democracy, however it's been neglected and poisoned.

Eh the problem is that Americans has become pretty sedated, as long as they got their entertainment, food, and jobs, they don't care, they really don't. Americans nowadays are more concern with Brittney Spears, or the next American Idol than what those in powers are doing. It's a sad reality.

same thing happened in Germany in the 1930's. It's up to us to act, we can't wait for someone else to do it for us.

That said we had an anti war march in the UK of 1million people (there's only 65 million of us anyway) and nothing changed.

same thing happened in Germany in the 1930's. It's up to us to act, we can't wait for someone else to do it for us.

That said we had an anti war march in the UK of 1million people (there's only 65 million of us anyway) and nothing changed.

That because those in powers know that the general population are idiots, and will forget by the time election season come around, so they can make the same half-ass promises, the same fake speech, the same fake smile, get re-elected go back to office, rinse and repeat.

Smuggling barrel of gunpowder into the basement of the White House and then blow it up.

Don't let them forget - look at what Ghandi or Martin Luther King did. One person (You?) can make a difference!

Well we could all get drunk and write a rambling post but seems you got that covered already.

Yay! :p

It's disgusting that nothing's been done.

Well we could all get drunk and write a rambling post but seems you got that covered already.

Well we could all get drunk and write a rambling post but seems you got that covered already.

Prove your own apathy why don't you

That because those in powers know that the general population are idiots, and will forget by the time election season come around, so they can make the same half-ass promises, the same fake speech, the same fake smile, get re-elected go back to office, rinse and repeat.

The media is partially to blame for this as well, because most of the time they have been lenient to the situation in IRAQ as well as shielding the general american public from this war. I'm sorry people if this has been posted hundreds of times, but this situation has worsened. I recognize there are people out there marching, but more people need to become involved.

Well we could all get drunk and write a rambling post but seems you got that covered already.

I'm not writing a rambling post, it seems your another individual who doesn't care about this situation, when at large your just as responsible for it as every other american. Your apathy is what aggravates this situation as well

The media is partially to blame for this as well, because most of the time they have been lenient to the situation in IRAQ as well as shielding the general american public from this war. I'm sorry people if this has been posted hundreds of times, but this situation has worsened. I recognize there are people out there marching, but more people need to become involved.

Demand advocacy from the media all you like, but that's not the way it works, as far as your local t.v. news is concerned. Anti-war media can be found anywhere, if you don't mind spending three seconds on your favorite search-engine or at a library or bookstore. :p

As to why the war is ongoing, consider that most people who are opposed to the war now weren't to begin with, but rather gradually came to the conclusion, for whatever reason, that it wasn't helping matters. That's an entirely different thing than rule-pacifism, and doesn't much translate into revolutionary action as some internet whiz-kids would have it. :p

Demand advocacy from the media all you like, but that's not the way it works, as far as your local t.v. news is concerned. Anti-war media can be found anywhere, if you don't mind spending three seconds on your favorite search-engine or at a library or bookstore. :p

As to why the war is ongoing, consider that most people who are opposed to the war now weren't to begin with, but rather gradually came to the conclusion, for whatever reason, that it wasn't helping matters. That's an entirely different thing than rule-pacifism, and doesn't much translate into revolutionary action as some internet whiz-kids would have it. :p

I understand but it doesn't translate the way i'd like it too. I came on this website because I've found that most individuals are sophisticated, and I think most of you are intelligent enough to come up with conclusions on what to do to take action. I wrote this post simply, because I need advice as well what to do, also attempt to possibly get something going.

I'm not writing a rambling post, it seems your another individual who doesn't care about this situation, when at large your just as responsible for it as every other american. Your apathy is what aggravates this situation as well

Disregarding the fact that I'm not American - as far as I can see, America has one of the better systems for choosing a representative and if America chooses the way it has then so be it.

Are we to invade America? Support a coup d'etat? Are we all to run for government? Are we all to devote our time to activism?

There's no easy solutions to complicated situations and many people are doing many things to have their point of view put across - and that's all it is, a point of view, who's to say you are right in your view of things compared to anyone else?

If there's one good thing we can do it's to attempt to be fair and balanced without pushing a particular political agenda, it's to take the time to judge facts rather than view things through tinted glasses.

Not that I'm a saint in this regard but to ask other people plaintively what to do about a particular viewpoint is as effective as apathy.

What more can we do? Right now, there are three things to do:

1) Vote: We did that.
2) Contact our Reps: Last night, 60,000 individual emails were sent to Senators regarding the war. That's covered.
3) Get Out on the Streets and Protest: It's always the Cindy Sheehans and the Code Pinks and the YAWARs and the Socialists organizing these things. They don't speak for me, and so I am left out on a limb.

I personally blame people not bothering to vote for someone else or how to put this erm "the majority has spoken!"

or how about you stop the worn out rant about the war in Iraq, hell I'm tempted to start supporting the Iraq war just so I'm different

Don't let them forget - look at what Ghandi or Martin Luther King did. One person (You?) can make a difference!

lies!

As long as middle America (or Europe) has a steady job, food on the table, and can live in relative safety, what reason would they have to demand significant change? After all, if the current system isn't broken, why fix it? Politicians across the western world realize this, and they do everything in their power to make sure that we stay fat and docile. For as long as we aren't starving, or being murdered at the hands of an invading army, that essentially gives the government free reign to do whatever they wish. Pointless foreign war of aggression to satisfy business interests? Why not! The greedy imbeciles at home wont truly care. They're too busy rotting their minds watching the news, and rotting their bodies eating McDonalds!