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That's messed up.

He was killed for having sex with the man's wife.

So?

He never graduated. He was kicked out for being a trouble maker.

My mother was watching that on Dateline or some shit.

It was after the kid graduated, so it's not remotely interesting.

"Eric McLean: Where I just sometimes would wake up and -- and she was sittin' on top of me just hitting me. I was asleep in bed. She just--
Natalie Morales: She physically abused you?
Eric McLean: Yes. And then I remember going to work and they were asking me what happened because I had a black eye. "

Talk about a psycho bitch. lol

He never graduated. He was kicked out for being a trouble maker.

Whatever. He wasn't in school, that's the point. And teacher on student sex is only hot when the kid is actually in school.

Article was too long and loaded with emotional tripe. Can someone more patient distil the facts?

He was killed for having sex with the man's wife.

So?

Bolded the relevant part.

Article was too long and loaded with emotional tripe. Can someone more patient distil the facts?

In short, from what I read, the wife was physically and verbally abusive of the husband and the kids. She told them she hated them and was going to have an affair. She started having sex with a kid she met at a high school and seemed to be using it to taunt her family.
The husband tried to get psychological help but broke under the stress and shot the kid in the back of the head execution style as the kid sat in his car and the husband stood behind the car with a loaded rifle in his hand.
At this point, the student teacher (the wife) is considered to be an evil villain by the media and everyone in the town.

I hope I got all the important parts.

In short, from what I read, the wife was physically and verbally abusive of the husband and the kids. She told them she hated them and was going to have an affair. She started having sex with a kid she met at a high school and seemed to be using it to taunt her family.
The husband tried to get psychological help but broke under the stress and shot the kid in the back of the head execution style as the kid sat in his car and the husband stood behind the car with a loaded rifle in his hand.
At this point, the student teacher (the wife) is considered to be an evil villain by the media and everyone in the town.

I hope I got all the important parts.

Thing is, if the wife ANNOUNCED that she was having an affair, and actually taunted the guy with it, why not shoot the wife? Shit, the kid's just looking for a free piece of tail, and thinks he's hit the jackpot (God only knows what she told the kid). Seems he shot the wrong person.

Thing is, if the wife ANNOUNCED that she was having an affair, and actually taunted the guy with it, why not shoot the wife? Shit, the kid's just looking for a free piece of tail, and thinks he's hit the jackpot (God only knows what she told the kid). Seems he shot the wrong person.

It is very bizarre. How were they able to cover up such things is beyond me.

Thing is, if the wife ANNOUNCED that she was having an affair, and actually taunted the guy with it, why not shoot the wife? Shit, the kid's just looking for a free piece of tail, and thinks he's hit the jackpot (God only knows what she told the kid). Seems he shot the wrong person.

Paraphrasing someone, tears of stupidity make for bad aim and wrong targets.

Paraphrasing someone, tears of stupidity make for bad aim and wrong targets.

I guess. Somehow the gravitas feel of a loaded pistol in my hands would probably sober my ass up but quick. Then again, no woman, no cry.

I hope I got all the important parts.Everything except a few details about the shooting. It wasn't in the back of the head, it was to the face. There were indications that the victim had raised his hands to defend himself, so he saw it coming.

It is also alleged that the boy was taunting his killer in the moments before the shooting.

Hmm... maybe if he had photographed the two of them together and then got a divorce on the grounds that she was cheating on him and sued her for the fact that he put her through school et c instead of shooting her lover, the husband would have been better off.

In short, from what I read, the wife was physically and verbally abusive of the husband and the kids. She told them she hated them and was going to have an affair. She started having sex with a kid she met at a high school and seemed to be using it to taunt her family.
The husband tried to get psychological help but broke under the stress and shot the kid in the back of the head execution style as the kid sat in his car and the husband stood behind the car with a loaded rifle in his hand.
At this point, the student teacher (the wife) is considered to be an evil villain by the media and everyone in the town.

I hope I got all the important parts.

Bad move on the husband's part, to say the least. The wife is probably guilty of some kind of harassment(I don't know, ask a lawyer), but being abused by your wife is not going to get you off killing her lover.

Might have got you off killing her if you played your cards right, I think.

Having read it all, I'm not sure I like this Eric guy at all. He's the only one who's spoken out about this case so any evidence given by him would need to be corroborated.

Yet they've talked to the kids and they've given no indication that the mother was alcoholic or abusive, and there's a counter-claim that Eric himself was alcoholic and abusive.

I suppose the facts won't come out until trial but it seems a classic case of a bright young girl getting married too young and being trapped in a stifling marriage. Her escape route may not have been the wisest but no one needs to be shot in the head for it.

I suppose the facts won't come out until trial but it seems a classic case of a bright young girl getting married too young and being trapped in a stifling marriage. Her escape route may not have been the wisest but no one needs to be shot in the head for it.

A bright young girl? She was a married woman who cheated on her husband with a former student. Doesn't strike me as very bright.

Bolded the relevant part.

No.

You're twisting the facts.

A bright young girl? She was a married woman who cheated on her husband with a former student. Doesn't strike me as very bright.

Erin was into drama, theater, and literature. Friends remember a free spirit, a nonconformist, who was also a gifted student.

Tamara Mulkey: Vibrant, intelligent, well-spoken, well read. She was just the all-around perfect girl.

Although Eric's parents didn't know her very well at the time, they admired her obvious intelligence.

Tanya McLean: Very, very smart. But she was pleasant.

Whatever her actions, she was a bright young girl, regardless of whether her actions were not the wisest course.

Allow for some humanity in understanding small town pressures for dead-end marriages. People cheat all the time, it's not the honest thing to do but it isn't worth death.

What I understood of the articles was;

She confronted him she had an affair. The boy was there. She started provoking him.
Then according to the authorities, the boy, being known for loudmouthing/assholish behavior, being expelled from the school because of this etc.. actually taunted the husband. So the husband took his gun and shot the kid in the face.


All I can say is that it can perhaps be reasonably deducted, that had the husband not been so provoked by both his wife and the guy banging his wife at the same time in such a traumatical moment the whole thing would probably have ended without a death.

So all I have to say is the wife is an idiot for taunting the husband. The kid is an idiot for imitating the wife at that moment and joining her in taunting the husband. The husband at least tried to get psychological help prior to this, but was too weak to overcome his urge for revenge in that moment.

Article was too long and loaded with emotional tripe. Can someone more patient distil the facts?

It's the American media. Emotional tear-jerkers sell; facts are for smoes and nerds.

What I understood of the articles was;

She confronted him she had an affair. The boy was there. She started provoking him.
Then according to the authorities, the boy, being known for loudmouthing/assholish behavior, being expelled from the school because of this etc.. actually taunted the husband. So the husband took his gun and shot the kid in the face.


All I can say is that it can perhaps be reasonably deducted, that had the husband not been so provoked by both his wife and the guy banging his wife at the same time in such a traumatical moment the whole thing would probably have ended without a death.

So all I have to say is the wife is an idiot for taunting the husband. The kid is an idiot for imitating the wife at that moment and joining her in taunting the husband. The husband at least tried to get psychological help prior to this, but was too weak to overcome his urge for revenge in that moment.

This sounds about right.

It's the American media. Emotional tear-jerkers sell; facts are for smoes and nerds.

'smoes'? :confused:

Thing is, if the wife ANNOUNCED that she was having an affair, and actually taunted the guy with it, why not shoot the wife? Shit, the kid's just looking for a free piece of tail, and thinks he's hit the jackpot (God only knows what she told the kid). Seems he shot the wrong person.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
Oh and also about how that article is terrible.

Hmm, was just thinking.. Temporary insanity much?

'smoes'?

Cross between a schmoe and a s'more. A foolish person who is also lightly toasted.

Some context please though, it's not as though it was just - man and wife happily married, out of the blue, wife taunts man, man shoots lover.

We only have the guy's account of what happened, we don't know the details of what seems to be years of dysfunctional marriage, we don't have either the kids (who seems to indicate the mother was NOT abusive) or the mother's account.

I'm not saying she didn't cheat, I'm saying that the guy should not be excused for shooting someone whatsoever.

Perhaps she was trapped in a loveless marriage, perhaps the guy himself was abusive, domineering and insecure, perhaps that would make him the kind of guy who would coldly go outside and shoot a boy in the head - it's not an entirely normal reaction.

Takes two to tango and we've only heard one partner's account.

Everything except a few details about the shooting. It wasn't in the back of the head, it was to the face. There were indications that the victim had raised his hands to defend himself, so he saw it coming.

It is also alleged that the boy was taunting his killer in the moments before the shooting.

Oh, well, he deserved it then.:rolleyes:






^obvious sarcasm

^obvious sarcasmIf it's so obvious, why do you need to point it out? ;)

Article was too long and loaded with emotional tripe. Can someone more patient distil the facts?

Also short on pictures. Was the teacher hot? Anyone?

Meh. The kid was playing with fire, sounds like. Odd stuff.

'smoes'? :confused:

Shmoes, you know. ;)

If it's so obvious, why do you need to point it out? ;)

Some people on NSG have had their sarcasm censors broken in religious debates.

Some people on NSG have had their sarcasm censors broken in religious debates.

Very true. :p

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19794327/

That's messed up.

That's really encouraging. Now I'm afraid to attempt to hit on my teachers. Not that I've ever thought about hitting on them. Not that I'd even want to anyways. That would be creepy.