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As our current president is apt to do, he has apparently created another bureaucratic entity to do the same job as one that already exists.
Apparently no one informed Bush of the FDA or what its acronym stands for because he is going to institute a new group of "top aides" (read: incompetent cronies with no experience) in order to oversee the safety of foreign imports:
US President George W. Bush on Wednesday will order the creation of a "working group" of top aides to review the safety of imports from China and "all around the world," his spokesman said

Just when the FDA, and every other legacy agency, is complaining about being short on funds and having their funds cut back, Bush once again creates a federal agency that performs not only a parallel job but the exact same job as an underfunded agency.

At least the next president can't be this incompetent...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070718/pl_afp/healthchinausfood_070718144324;_ylt=Aur80qQcOrpt0xufgEMAgkjMWM0F

As our current president is apt to do, he has apparently created another bureaucratic entity to do the same job as one that already exists.
Apparently no one informed Bush of the FDA or what its acronym stands for because he is going to institute a new group of "top aides" (read: incompetent cronies with no experience) in order to oversee the safety of foreign imports:


Just when the FDA, and every other legacy agency, is complaining about being short on funds and having their funds cut back, Bush once again creates a federal agency that performs not only a parallel job but the exact same job as an underfunded agency.

At least the next president can't be this incompetent...

I imagine that if he had done nothing, you would still say he's incompetent.

Hey, how about those career government employees, who AREN'T politically appointed, who are obviously not doing their jobs (typical, really, for government employees)?

The bureaucracy delights in doing things in parallel. I've been on software contracts to the government to produce exactly the same software for one department that another government contractor is writing for another part of the bureaucracy, often within the same Cabinet department...

And when we point this out, we're told to hush.... by career bureaucrats who just want a software project to say they have one...

I imagine that if he had done nothing, you would still say he's incompetent.
No, I wouldn't have said anything because he wouldn't have created a new agency full of incompetent, inexperienced cronies to take away money from the FDA.

The bureaucracy delights in doing things in parallel.
Which is why I said "not only a parallel job but the exact same job."


Nice job there jumping to the rescue of Bush. On the Secret Service payroll?

No, I wouldn't have said anything because he wouldn't have created a new agency full of incompetent, inexperienced cronies to take away money from the FDA.

Which is why I said "not only a parallel job but the exact same job."

Nice job there jumping to the rescue of Bush. On the Secret Service payroll?

It's not "to the rescue of Bush". We're writing the exact same software to do the exact same job. For the exact same purpose.

The bureaucracy has not improved one whit since I was first exposed to it in 1983 - I left contracting after 1987 to be in the Army because it sucked so badly. It still sucks - even after all those years, and all those Presidents - they didn't change a single thing at all.

If anything, it's gotten worse - it's far beyond the ability of the President and Congress to control. So at least I can be a contractor...

Of course, you think it's all Bush's fault, all controllable by Bush, and all accountable to Bush. When it most certainly isn't in reality.

If anything, it's gotten worse - it's far beyond the ability of the President and Congress to control. So at least I can be a contractor...

Except when the president creates the positions.

Of course, you think it's all Bush's fault, all controllable by Bush, and all accountable to Bush.
Bush actively does something, I hold him accountable, you accuse me of holding Bush accountable for all government actions. You are of course using logical fallacies to hide your defense of Bush.

Except when the president creates the positions.

Bush actively does something, I hold him accountable, you accuse me of holding Bush accountable for all government actions. You are of course using logical fallacies to hide your defense of Bush.

No, you hold him accountable - regardless.

See? He created the positions. But, the problem exists - at least he's trying to do something about it - and it exists because the people assigned to do exactly that job can't pull their heads out of their asses because they've been up there since the 1970s.

No President could pull those heads out. Not one.

So he doesn't have much alternative but to create another position to get it done.

Is that his fault? No. Because the fucking government works that way. You can read the Constitution until you're blue in the face, but the unofficial superior arm of government - the bureaucracy, is in control.

What's that? You won't blame the government workers at the bottom of all this who fucked up? You would rather blame Bush?

No, you hold him accountable - regardless.
You are done in this thread as your are highjacking it and trolling.

You are done in this thread as your are highjacking it and trolling.

It's not hijacking it, and it's not trolling. If you believe so, call the mods. In fact, I will right now.

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"I came here for an argument!"
"No you didn't"


Sorry, but that's the only comparison that came to mind. As pointless as the above, but not rulebreaking.

Final statement unless some one without some sort of vendetta and thinly veiled bias posts:
I am attacking Bush on a move he personally made. The end.

http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/argument.jpg (http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm)

"I came here for an argument!"
"No you didn't".

YAY! :D

YAY! :D

"This isn't an argument!"
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. . .

"No it isn't!"

And the title of my last post should have been..
"And now for something completely different."

"This isn't an argument!"
"Yes it is!"
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That's not an argument, that's contradiction...

That's not an argument, that's contradiction...

No it isn't! :p

I guess I could see the utility of a specific group tasked with focusing on a problem area, especially one that supplies us with the overwhelming majority of many consumer goods. However, it's idiotic to create a new organization while simultaneously shortchanging existing agencies; if you want synergy between these groups, both of them need to be funded adequately.

This is like creating the DHS and shortchanging funding for the CIA and FBI.

That's not an argument, that's contradiction...

No it isn't.

No it isn't.

Well, if it were Abuse...