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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/16/holocaust.therapy.ap/index.html

I don't think they can do that. If they succeed, it opens the windows for every single successor nation to be sued by descendants of any victim ever.

Germany will cave as is the mentality of sweeping it under the rug

and oh look Israelis are bitching about the holocaust still never would of predicted that one..

Why have they waited so long?

Well, if these people are indeed suffering psychologically then that's obviously not a good thing, however I fail to see why the current German administration must foot the bill.

Last time I checked Angela Merkel wasn't a member of the NSDAP.

Well, if these people are indeed suffering psychologically then that's obviously not a good thing, however I fail to see why the current German administration must foot the bill.

Hey, if this passes, I'm going to sue the motherfucker out of Russia for the "trauma" caused to my family by the Soviets.

Hey, if this passes, I'm going to sue the motherfucker out of Russia for the "trauma" caused to my family by the Soviets.

don't be silly Russia never committed any war crimes, they where the goodies!

Hey, if this passes, I'm going to sue the motherfucker out of Russia for the "trauma" caused to my family by the Soviets.
I doubt any rational person would doubt that terrible things were inflicted upon millions of people, Jew and Gentile alike, during WW2. Or, for that matter, during the reign of the Bolsheviks in the USSR.

But, yes, the claimants position does seem a bit tenuous.

don't be silly Russia never committed any war crimes, they where the goodies!

:rolleyes:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,494312,00.html

I can't say I agree with them. Sure, the kids may have suffered from being raised in dysfunctional homes...but shouldn't they be taking issue with their parents or something? I mean, plenty of Holocaust survivors didn't abuse their children or have dysfunctional homes. The link to the Holocaust just seems a bit too tenuous to justify damage payments. That being said... (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,460901,00.html)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,494312,00.html

I can't say I agree with them. Sure, the kids may have suffered from being raised in dysfunctional homes...but shouldn't they be taking issue with their parents or something? I mean, plenty of Holocaust survivors didn't abuse their children or have dysfunctional homes. The link to the Holocaust just seems a bit too tenuous to justify damage payments. That being said... (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,460901,00.html)

Holocaust survivors are owed nothing. If they want reparations, they are fully entitled to travel back in time and sue Nazi Germany. But hands off the Federal Republic.

Holocaust survivors are owed nothing. If they want reparations, they are fully entitled to travel back in time and sue Nazi Germany. But hands off the Federal Republic.
I'm afraid it's somewhat complicated (and I can't claim to fully understand it), but the Federal Republic is in fact the legal successor of the Third Reich.

http://www.ejil.org/journal/Vol2/No1/art2-02.html
The legal status of Germany has always been very controversial. Although some of the relations between the Federal Republic of Germany and the GDR were regulated in a treaty of December 21, 1972,56 the issues relating to Germany as a whole and the relationship between each of the two German states and the German Reich remained unsolved. The Federal government in accordance with a judgment on the constitutionality of the Grundlagenvertrag by the Constitutional Court57 took the position that the Federal Republic was not a new West German state but an international legal personality identical with the German Reich which had never ceased to exist as a state. The relationship between the two German states, therefore, could not be qualified as `international relations' between foreign states but rather as a special relationship consisting of international as well as internal (constitutional) elements. Characteristics of this special relationship were firstly, the common nationality under the German Nationality Act of 1913 which included all `citizens of the GDR' as German citizens, secondly, the adherence of the GDR to the defunct German Reich and, finally, the unsolved issue of German reunification which had as its corollary on the international level the responsibility of the Four Powers relating to Germany as a whole. Therefore, the GDR could in some way be looked upon as a part of Germany as a whole, although after the Grundlagenvertrag of 1972 both states agreed to respect each other's territorial integrity and stated that neither state could represent the other on the international level nor could it act in the name of the other. The Grundlagenvertrag thus prescribed that the sovereign rights of each state were confined to its own territory. The theory of special relationship and of the continuing identity of the Federal Republic with the German Reich was of course strongly rejected by the GDR government. It was, however, confirmed as constitutionally binding by the Federal Constitutional Court.58

The link to the Holocaust just seems a bit too tenuous to justify damage payments. That being said... (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,460901,00.html)
A difference, perhaps, between Holocaust survivors, and the children of said survivors?

Gah, why do I feel like I''m on the same side of the argument as a number of dubious characters? I keep expecting David Irving to pat me on the back.... :(

I'm afraid it's somewhat complicated (and I can't claim to fully understand it), but the Federal Republic is in fact the legal successor of the Third Reich.

http://www.ejil.org/journal/Vol2/No1/art2-02.html

But they are not the same country. If this lawsuit holds, there is no reason why the Soviet Union shouldn't be sued by the descendants of it's former citizens, or why the current Germany shouldn't be sued by it's own citizens for the crimes of the DDR.

This lawsuit is flimsy at best.

Gah, why do I feel like I''m on the same side of the argument as a number of dubious characters? I keep expecting David Irving to pat me on the back.... :(

You're doing nothing wrong. This is just a dubious lawsuit, no better than people suing McDonald's for coffee burns. This lawsuit just uses the Holocaust to support it's cause. In theory, I could use this as precedent to sue France for it's mistreatment of my ancestors during it's conquest of Europe.

But they are not the same country. If this lawsuit holds, there is no reason why the Soviet Union shouldn't be sued by the descendants of it's former citizens...
Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union, I believe, so if you can prove a crime and the Russian government will listen, you can certainly launch a lawsuit. I doubt Putin's gonna cough up money though.

...or why the current Germany shouldn't be sued by it's own citizens for the crimes of the DDR.
Fun fact: right now former Stasi interrogators are getting state pension money from what used to be the West German government. They're counted as government employees and get money for having committed dubious acts and without ever having paid a cent into the pension system.

Yay? :rolleyes:

It is taking everything inside me to not make a joke relating to Jew-lawsuits-money-etc...

Holocaust survivors are owed nothing. If they want reparations, they are fully entitled to travel back in time and sue Nazi Germany. But hands off the Federal Republic.

How about the gold that was stolen off them and deposited in Swiss Banks? How about the other items that were stolen off them? The last time I checked, stolen property remains stolen property, no matter how many years have passed.

Fun fact: right now former Stasi interrogators are getting state pension money from what used to be the West German government. They're counted as government employees and get money for having committed dubious acts and without ever having paid a cent into the pension system.

Yay? :rolleyes:

Yes, and their victims can sue them.

How about the gold that was stolen off them and deposited in Swiss Banks? How about the other items that were stolen off them? The last time I checked, stolen property remains stolen property, no matter how many years have passed.

Except that it is no longer in the possession of Germany. They'd do better to take it up with the Allies.

Yes, and their victims can sue them.
I don't think they have to; the government has some sort of pension scheme for Stasi victims (link (http://www.stasiopfer.de/content/view/76/167/)).

:rolleyes:
Clearly irony is lost on you.

Incidentally, this is possibly the biggest piss-take ever. I sincerely hope Germany doesn't pay a single cent, although I know that they'll do it just so people don't start with the whole Germans = Nazis shite again.

This reeks of bullshit.

Clearly irony is lost on you.

Incidentally, this is possibly the biggest piss-take ever. I sincerely hope Germany doesn't pay a single cent, although I know that they'll do it just so people don't start with the whole Germans = Nazis shite again.

Germany was a democracy though and voted the Nazi Party into power; with quite full awareness of their policy as well.

Why should the German government pay for treatment for the children of Holocaust survivors? That really isn't their responsibility. I can see spending money on the primary victims, but the line has to be drawn at the extent of the Nazi regime's crimes.

Otherwise, you get in to all kinds of complications that are best avoided. If they want treatment, then why doesn't the government of Israel pay for it? They are citizens of Israel, and it should be their government's responsibility in the first place, not Germany's.

Hey, if this passes, I'm going to sue the motherfucker out of Russia for the "trauma" caused to my family by the Soviets.

Lol, somehow I doubt the Russian govt would allow it.

Why should the German government pay for treatment for the children of Holocaust survivors? That really isn't their responsibility. I can see spending money on the primary victims, but the line has to be drawn at the extent of the Nazi regime's crimes.

Otherwise, you get in to all kinds of complications that are best avoided. If they want treatment, then why doesn't the government of Israel pay for it? They are citizens of Israel, and it should be their government's responsibility in the first place, not Germany's.
I also question why they are having the problem in the first place. It doesn't strike me that Holocaust survivors would sit around telling their children about the days they were starved to death in Concentration camps.

If this goes ahead then the law is really an ass.

I'll apologise for any lack of cohesion in this before I start.
I'm English, my husband East German and our daughter was born in Germany.
My husband's great-grandmother was gang raped and killed by the Russians towards the end of WW2. As for my family, they lived in Birmingham during WW2 and were on one of the main bombing runs into the city, my grandfather was a fireman in London, frequently attending the docklands during bombing raids. Many atrocities were carried out by both Germans and Russians against each other. Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, people with mental and physical disabilities, and many other groups and nationalities were interred in the work and death camps during WW2.
As I have travelled throughout Europe with my husband, I have seen how he is treated quite badly because he is German, even some members of my family back in England refer to him as a 'Nazi'.
What happened to Jewish people during WW2 was horrendous and should never happen again, but it wasn't exclusive to Jewish people. If you look back through history and even up till today what we do to each other is often beyond belief in it's horror.
Should we continue to pay out compensation several generations later including counselling for a collective grief experience. Or should we move towards reconciliation, learn about each other, stop the bigotry, ignorance and hatred, and stop this ever happening again.
At the moment as I mentioned before, my experiences of travelling around, living and working in many different countries in Europe, I am increasingly aware how rascism and particularly Anti-Semitism is on the increase throughout Europe, even in Germany where it is expressly prohibited. Why because of bad media coverage? Because as Europeans we are naturally Anti-Semitic? Why?
In Germany I know that many people 3rd, 4th or 5th generation on are asking why they should still be paying compensation, so for them now to be asked to pay for counselling for the children of Holocaust victims will not be popular in the least. But then what about the grandchildren and great-grandchildren? Will they also require counselling?
I also have to ask, will my daughter still be paying for the Holocaust? Will she also be shunned as she travels around the Europe and the World as a 'nazi'? It's not a question I want to be answered as I hope by then we will have learnt to be human beings, learnt that eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth revenge is self defeating and learnt compassion for each other.
Thanks for your time in reading his and I hope it gives some food for thought.

Hey, if this passes, I'm going to sue the motherfucker out of Russia for the "trauma" caused to my family by the Soviets.

What the hell, I've got these lined up:

France- Napoleon's invasion of Russia
Britain- Crimean War
Japan- Russo-Japanese War
Germany- WWI, WWII
US- Cold War, Russian Revolution
Russia- Stalin's purges
China- Sino-Soviet border conflicts

Might as well drag Italy and Greece in to it, since they probably attacked my ancestors at some point.

Germany was a democracy though and voted the Nazi Party into power; with quite full awareness of their policy as well.

Nope, actually, the Nazis didn't win the election.

I also question why they are having the problem in the first place. It doesn't strike me that Holocaust survivors would sit around telling their children about the days they were starved to death in Concentration camps.

I think a lot of it was subconscious or psychological; they didn't really speak of it much, but their actions and the way they acted towards their families probably caused a lot of the problems.

Nope, actually, the Nazis didn't win the election.

Well that depends really, I mean the only opposition by the time the elections came were the Communist Party, but most of their members running were either imprisoned or beaten up by Nazi thugs.

Well that depends really, I mean the only opposition by the time the elections came were the Communist Party, but most of their members running were either imprisoned or beaten up by Nazi thugs.

Actually, I'm fairly sure the Social Democrats or something like that won.

How about the gold that was stolen off them and deposited in Swiss Banks? How about the other items that were stolen off them? The last time I checked, stolen property remains stolen property, no matter how many years have passed.

statute of limitations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations)

Among other reasons involving the problems identifying which bit belonged to whom and the difference between Nazi Germany and the present German state.

Lastly, why is it only the Jews who are suing Germany?

But this should be ignored by the judge, and if he doesn't then Germany should ignore the judge.



Well that depends really, I mean the only opposition by the time the elections came were the Communist Party, but most of their members running were either imprisoned or beaten up by Nazi thugs.
Social Democrats were still there. The Nazis were the largest party but didn't have an overall majority.

Shit, it's worth a shot. My cousins should join the suit, lemme call them.

I support this action, as if it wins I get to sue the Brits for the 9 years war, the plantation, Cromwell, the second plantation, the penal laws, the massacres of 1798, the famine, cuttin down all the trees and generally acting the maggot.

Actually, I'm fairly sure the Social Democrats or something like that won.

No the Nazis did actually win, I mean they used tonnes of illegal activities such as intimidation, beating up opposition etc in order to get the votes, but I don't believe their was direct vote manipulation, although don't vote me on that I'll try and source it. So in a way they did win, but if they had been convicted of aforementioned activities the elections would have been redone.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9966/8531vq8.jpg

If Jews feel they need therapy maybe they should sue those folks who wrote the Tanakh and Talmud.

If they want treatment, then why doesn't the government of Israel pay for it?

Because they can't be guilted into it? Germany seems like an easy target, so they sue.

Wow, I wish we would get over this already. Yes, the Nazis killed a lot of Jews. It was sixty years ago, and though legally the DFR may be the successor to the third reich the current people of Germany have no obligation to Israel or the Jews WHATSOEVER. In fact, its about high time we educated our people not on the horrors of the holocaust, but on genocide from tyrannical dictators worldwide throughout history, and the holocaust is actually low compared to Mao and Stalin (and by percent, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il)

Lastly, why is it only the Jews who are suing Germany?It isn't. There's been a rather sizeable lawsuit by assorted thousands of ex-slaves from eastern Europe suing the German industry as well.

Incidentally, a sucessful lawsuit.

Despite a lot of the companies in question not even existing back in the day.

Despite compensation having been provided in the past.

Despite these (Douubtlessly misstreated, I'm not denying that) people's countries of origin then using German slave labour after the war.

Despite there being of course no compensation given to them.

And despite the German government discouraging any such lawsuits from the German side.

Wasn't IBM taken to court (not sure if successful) because it provided census tabulating devices to the Nazis?

Hey, if the Germans sued the Allies back and won, the world economy would collapse.

It isn't. There's been a rather sizeable lawsuit by assorted thousands of ex-slaves from eastern Europe suing the German industry as well.

Incidentally, a sucessful lawsuit.

Despite a lot of the companies in question not even existing back in the day.

Despite compensation having been provided in the past.

Despite these (Douubtlessly misstreated, I'm not denying that) people's countries of origin then using German slave labour after the war.

Despite there being of course no compensation given to them.

And despite the German government discouraging any such lawsuits from the German side.

Just say you were a communist, social democrat or liberal and ask compensation.

Well, if these people are indeed suffering psychologically then that's obviously not a good thing, however I fail to see why the current German administration must foot the bill.

Last time I checked Angela Merkel wasn't a member of the NSDAP.

Oh, but don't you see, it's the same argument as when people want reparations for the descendants of slaves in the US. Because it's the same country, isn't it? I mean the laws never changed, and the same people are still in office all these years later. If you argue for one, then arguing against this is ridiculous.

And ffs, the person who made the remark about Jews still complaining about the Holocaust -- there are still people alive who were victimized by it, and you might be a tad upset if 6 million people who shared the same religion as you were put to death for it -- and that people have bitched that you're SO SENSITIVE after centuries of being vilified, driven out of where you settled, and hated into the modern day.

Wasn't IBM taken to court (not sure if successful) because it provided census tabulating devices to the Nazis?

Eh. I think it was a bit more than census tabulating devices - I'm pretty sure the death camps were all run on IBM machines. Not that that really means anything, since the Germans used all kinds of foreign supplies in their war effort, and the IBM machines wouldn't have been installed or serviced after war was declared.

As to the lawsuit mentioned here, it really does seem a little sketchy. The kids experiencing thier parents' paranoia is bad, but probably the same sort of things millions experienced during the war, and afterwards as kids of war survivors or soldiers.

I think a lot of it was subconscious or psychological; they didn't really speak of it much, but their actions and the way they acted towards their families probably caused a lot of the problems.
Families created after the fact? Seems doubtful.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/16/holocaust.therapy.ap/index.html

I don't think they can do that. If they succeed, it opens the windows for every single successor nation to be sued by descendants of any victim ever.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

They'd better be careful. This is the same type of poor me golddigger mentality that, historically, has gotten them into hot water.

It's like some American blacks want 40 acres and a mule now.

Not that I doubt it exactly, but 6 million always sounded sketchy to me. I've heard figures as low as 2 and as high as 8. Someone once pointed out that 6 million would have been twice as many Jews as were alive at that point in time.

Anyways, I have no problem with the suit. As long as I can successfully sue the Japanese for bombing Singapore, and they can sue the US for dropping toxic nuclear arms, and I can sue the British for doping up 99% of the Chinese population, etc.

I think by the end of it, the only ones who would ultimately collapse might be the US(which has been involved in practically every large conflict since 1900) and British governments(seeing as how the British conquered a huge chunk of the world), and maybe the Italians(Rome before Britain):p

Not that I doubt it exactly, but 6 million always sounded sketchy to me. I've heard figures as low as 2 and as high as 8. Someone once pointed out that 6 million would have been twice as many Jews as were alive at that point in time.

Whoever told you that was a numpty. Jewish Virtual Library (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/worldpop.html) lists the Jewish population in 1939 as 16,728,000, dropping to 11,500,000 by 1948.

Well, the way I see it, it's terrible regardless of the numbers. I just wish the figure wasn't so hotly contested. Or at least, less "round". I mean sure, "6 million" rolls off the tongue a lot easier than "5 million 9 hundred and 15 thousand, 6 hundred and 76", but from a "historical accuracy" standpoint, it's annoyingly vague(not that I'm a history buff or anything).

Just for the record, 6 million is still 1 million more than my country's maximum population, including the expatriates.:eek:

Well, the way I see it, it's terrible regardless of the numbers. I just wish the figure wasn't so hotly contested. Or at least, less "round". I mean sure, "6 million" rolls off the tongue a lot easier than "5 million 9 hundred and 15 thousand, 6 hundred and 76", but from a "historical accuracy" standpoint, it's annoyingly vague(not that I'm a history buff or anything).

Just for the record, 6 million is still 1 million more than my country's maximum population, including the expatriates.:eek:

It's not really all that hotly contested, outside some crazies and Holocaust deniers. 6 Million is an estimate, largely because the exact number isn't really all that necessary, is it? At some point it's a huge, tragic loss of life, even if you've got a variants of a hundred or so thousand.

You're from Singapore? Nifty.

Well, the way I see it, it's terrible regardless of the numbers. I just wish the figure wasn't so hotly contested. Or at least, less "round". I mean sure, "6 million" rolls off the tongue a lot easier than "5 million 9 hundred and 15 thousand, 6 hundred and 76", but from a "historical accuracy" standpoint, it's annoyingly vague(not that I'm a history buff or anything).

Just for the record, 6 million is still 1 million more than my country's maximum population, including the expatriates.:eek:

6 million Jews. 11 million in total. That's the most prevailing and for me, distressing holocaust myth, that only Jews were targeted.

But they are not the same country. If this lawsuit holds, there is no reason why the Soviet Union shouldn't be sued by the descendants of it's former citizens, or why the current Germany shouldn't be sued by it's own citizens for the crimes of the DDR.

This lawsuit is flimsy at best.
I think someone did sue the FRG for GDR cruelties and it became a rather weird affair.

Who really thinks this has anything to do with the Holocaust? :rolleyes:

6 million Jews. 11 million in total. That's the most prevailing and for me, distressing holocaust myth, that only Jews were targeted.

That's what bugs me. Sometimes I hear it's 6 million Jews and "a few others"(basically, homosexuals of both kinds, gypsies/Romanies, and other "undesirables"), other times I hear it's 6 million combined, with 5 million Jews and 1 million of the rest. That does lead me to question whether we might perhaps need a more concrete figure(the figures above are as far apart as 1 and 2, magnitude-wise).

I'm guessing you got my location from the "Hook a Canuck" thread.:D Yeah, the population has been growing by a million in ever smaller time periods. I think it jumped to 5 million in under 5 years now, vs jumping from 3 to 4 in under 10 years, and so on.

Germany was a democracy though and voted the Nazi Party into power; with quite full awareness of their policy as well.
No, the German public gave the Nazi Party a large proportion of votes, and it teamed up with another nationalist party to gain an overall majority in the Weimar Republic, and then used this to get Hitler as Chancellor, with the coercion of Von Papen, which then got them the Enabling Act, which THEN got Hitler into dictatorial control.

Only at this point did the true policies of the Nazis really come into being, and it wasn't until the Eastern front of World War 2, which brought about large concentrations of Jews, Gypsies et al from Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine, that the Nazis started to actually kill these groups en masse.

Also, most people weren't aware of the Holocaust up until 1944, by which point the numbers of people able to do anything about it was severely diminished by SD and Gestapo crackdowns, as well as the overall effect of most of the men being at the Eastern front by this time, where they were getting positively annihilated by the Russians, and hence didn't have much of a chance to sort out the concentration camps.



But hey, yeah, let's just pretend that the average German was to blame, eh?

OK, I've been hearing on every anti-Semitic website from Jew Watch to Nuke Israel that Israel and "the Jews" (never mind that it's only a few thousand Jews here) have been extorting billions from Germany and the West for the "Holohoax" (read: Holocaust). Should this travesty of a lawsuit proceed, then Germany pays out, takes it up the arse from a few thousand Jews, and proves the anti-Semites right. (That they're extorting money, not that the 'Caust didn't happen.)

Is that really what the modern, non-Nazi Germans want? I personally feel it's a few radical anti-Germans who just want to fuck Germany over. If any of them really need therapy, they can use the Israeli equivalent of the NHS to cover it. Otherwise, they can STFU and stop exploiting the unspeakable hells that their parents went through for personal profit.

Well that depends really, I mean the only opposition by the time the elections came were the Communist Party, but most of their members running were either imprisoned or beaten up by Nazi thugs.
Not really, most other parties were essentially united against the Nazis, they just weren't strong enough to actually do so.

The KPD and SPD worked together the most they had in this time since the revolution of 1918, back when the USPD was also a viable party.
Actually, I'm fairly sure the Social Democrats or something like that won.
Incorrect.

The important results of the 1933 election results are thus :

43.9% - NSDAP (largest party)
18.3% - SDP (Your version of events)
12.3% - KPD (Communists)
11.2% - Zentrum (Catholic Centralists)
8.0% - German National People's Party (DNVP)

It was the NSDAP-DNVP coalition that led to Hitler really being able to take control of the state of Germany at the time.

The other parties were too widely divided in terms of policies to make a proper national front against the Nazis, and this was their undoing.

The fact that there were far-left and right wing groups both trying to work together against the Nazis meant that many voters were put off from voting for anyone but the Nazis because they knew that the policies that they would otherwise be voting for would be watered down by the other parties of the anti-Nazi coalition.

6 million Jews. 11 million in total. That's the most prevailing and for me, distressing holocaust myth, that only Jews were targeted.The German aggression started a war that cost 60 million lives. To only talk of one certain group as the victims of the Nazi reign is simply inappropriate, or to put the focus on.

6 million Jews. 11 million in total. That's the most prevailing and for me, distressing holocaust myth, that only Jews were targeted.
The Jews have better press teams. Had the gay or disabled or gypsies had really good press teams, we would have same sex marriage, some part of Italy carved out for the gypsies, and all sorts of laws for disabled people passed way earlier.

...some part of Italy carved out for the gypsies, ...what?

This claim is absolutely ridiculous. To sue the German Republic for the NAZI warcrimes is to sue absolutely every German.

It would be like the negros in the US suing the US government for slavery.

It's like they are saying "YOU ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!"

Most Germans, and probably all of the people in the German government, had no part whatsoever in the holocaust, just like most Americans (if not all), and all of the people in the American government, had no part whatsoever in slavery.

This claim is absolutely ridiculous. To sue the German Republic for the NAZI warcrimes is to sue absolutely every German.

It would be like the negros in the US suing the US government for slavery.

It's like they are saying "YOU ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!"

Most Germans, and probably all of the people in the German government, had no part whatsoever in the holocaust, just like most Americans (if not all), and all of the people in the American government, had no part whatsoever in slavery.Someone should sue all Jews for the Israelite and Israeli atrocities in Canaan and Palestine.

This claim is absolutely ridiculous. To sue the German Republic for the NAZI warcrimes is to sue absolutely every German.

It would be like the negros in the US suing the US government for slavery.

It's like they are saying "YOU ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!"

Most Germans, and probably all of the people in the German government, had no part whatsoever in the holocaust, just like most Americans (if not all), and all of the people in the American government, had no part whatsoever in slavery.

I'm sure we have some people who would sue their parents for being born.

I'm sure we have some people who would sue their parents for being born.

People like this should be publically flogged.

Actually, this reminds me of a Mad TV episode...

This is the therapy that the German Government should pay for! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L7zXjaUxpJI)

Someone should sue all Jews for the Israelite and Israeli atrocities in Canaan and Palestine.

They'd sue the Egyptians first,... and the Egyptian would counter sue them for breach of contract and the murder of the Pharaoh,... maybe conspiracy to commit murder.

They'd sue the Egyptians first,... and the Egyptian would counter sue them for breach of contract and the murder of the Pharaoh,... maybe conspiracy to commit murder.who murdered a pharaoh?

who murdered a pharaoh?

GOD! or Moses! I get confused sometimes. Didn't one of them had something to do with a drowned Pharaoh in the Red Sea or something?

Whoa... Does this mean I can sue the current Italian government for the actions of the Romans on my British ancestors? Or one of the modern Scandinavian gov'ts for the rape and pillage of later ancestorsvwhen their folks came a'viking? This opens up a whole new area of litigation! Oh, crap, here come the lawyers.

Why is it that only jewish people seem to get stuff out of being locked up in concentration camps. Do the children of gypsies who were in those same camps also get therapy? What about the offspring of the Jehovah's Witnesses? Or political enemies?

Overall though, this seems really silly. Yes, the nazis were bad and did bad things, but the current German government is not the same as the government during the second world war so they shouldn't have to pay for it.

Although I do wonder, if they succeed, in 60 years will the children of Palestinians killed or maimed in Israeili attacks be able to sue Israel for their therapy bills?

who murdered a pharaoh?

...but didn't shoot the deputy?

How about the other items that were stolen off them? The last time I checked, stolen property remains stolen property, no matter how many years have passed.*enters room says 2 words*
stolen lands
*leaves room.. later alligators*

I support this action, as if it wins I get to sue the Brits for the 9 years war, the plantation, Cromwell, the second plantation, the penal laws, the massacres of 1798, the famine, cuttin down all the trees and generally acting the maggot.

Hey! I can sue Portugal and England! MAGNIFICENT! :D

Baruch Mazor, the fund's director, said 4 to 5 percent of the 400,000 children of survivors in Israel require treatment.
from the article.

At least 4 to 5 percent of any given population requires psychological treatment, their problems probably don't have anything to do with the Holocaust, but rather with their own chemically unstable brains.

GOD! or Moses! I get confused sometimes. Didn't one of them had something to do with a drowned Pharaoh in the Red Sea or something?No.