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We all know how corrupt the media is, and how it spins everything. I stumble across this movie from the mid 90s, called spin. Its a largely unknown movie, but wiki has a small description of it;

Spin is a 1995 documentary film by Brian Springer comprised of raw satellite feeds exposing politician’s pre-speech planning. It covers, not only the United States presidential primaries, 1992 and presidential election, but also the LA riots as well as the Operation Rescue abortion protests.

Here is the link to themovie (http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/spin/spin.html)

Its about an hour long, but its worth the watch.

So what will it take to change the new media around, to where its fair and impartial?

Its about an hour long, but its worth the watch.

Allow me to remain in doubt of that, its apparent insularity regarded.

Allow me to remain in doubt of that, its apparent insularity regarded.

Yeah.. What he said.. only in plainer english..

Allow me to remain in doubt of that, its apparent insularity regarded.

So because its not popular enough, then its not good and true? What a idiotic thing to say!

So because its not popular enough, then its not good and true? What a idiotic thing to say!

It seems that you do not know what "insularity" means. Remedial English courses may be a prudent step in your future.

It seems that you do not know what "insularity" means. Remedial English courses may be a prudent step in your future.

Why aren't you running your own thread then about you and your region's little problems?

Oh, that's right, last time anyone mentioned this particular issue of yours, it went swimmingly.
:rolleyes:

If you're not interested, don't bother. How about that?

It seems that you do not know what "insularity" means. Remedial English courses may be a prudent step in your future.

Insularity means(roughly) detached, or secluded. Which if it is unpopular, meaning getting no exposure, then it is secluded from popular media. Perhaps you need to pull the rod out of your ass and quit your "im superior than everyone else". Now, have a nice day/evening.:)

Why aren't you running your own thread then about you and your region's little problems?

Oh, that's right, last time anyone mentioned this particular issue of yours, it went swimmingly.
:rolleyes:

If you're not interested, don't bother. How about that?

He has a secret crush on me, don't you know? He goes to each thread I start, and insults me in some way, just because it gets him off.

Probably a far more interesting movie called Spin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfX-s4dcYBg

Why aren't you running your own thread then about you and your region's little problems?

Because succumbing to insularity oneself is not exactly a clever solution when one deems such a phenomenon problematic. It is, rather, compounding.

Oh, that's right, last time anyone mentioned this particular issue of yours, it went swimmingly.:rolleyes:

You seem to have a better imagined recollection of events than I do actual memories.

If you're not interested, don't bother. How about that?

And how about this being a discussion forum where one posts one's opinions, be they supportive or disparaging?

He has a secret crush on me, don't you know? He goes to each thread I start, and insults me in some way, just because it gets him off.

And he runs crying and blubbering to the mods about twentyfold oft as you. ;)

And he runs crying and blubbering to the mods about twentyfold oft as you. ;)

Oh, I'm sure he will end up crying over there because of this thread. oh so mistreated fass.:rolleyes:



Oh, and you know i'd only go to the mods to report spamming. ;)

Because succumbing to insularity oneself is not exactly a clever solution when one deems such a phenomenon problematic. It is, rather, compounding.Interesting rub since so many of the posts you get involved in are so personally reflective of your discontent, and compounding even to the extent of attempting mod intervention.

You seem to have a better imagined recollection of events than I do actual memories.You have it backwards.
As "gifted" as you are for pomp, you might consider looking in the thread history. I'll provide later if need be, since this post alone is quite telling as to your wherewithal.

And how about this being a discussion forum where one posts one's opinions, be they supportive or disparaging?True. I could give an opinion on how lacking in social grace you appear to be, how capricious and conniving you approach other people's sensitivities and sensibilities while holding your own in such high regard, but it tends to go without saying, and i'm not really the better for saying so.
Tact?

Insularity means(roughly) detached, or secluded.

Not really. In this usage it's closer in meaning to "provincial", meaning "of local or restricted interests or outlook". Your video seems not to be about media in general as one might have been fooled by the beginnings of the OP to believe - it seems to in fact be solely centred on a small subgroup of media in the USA. Hence my very credible doubts that one hour devoted to it would be "worth it" to me.

Which if it is unpopular, meaning getting no exposure, then it is secluded from popular media.

My advice about those classes still stands.

Perhaps you need to pull the rod out of your ass

I rather like it there.

and quit your "im superior than everyone else". Now, have a nice day/evening.:)

"I am" to the "cited" end of the first sentence, and "I am having one" to the second sentence.

Oh, I'm sure he will end up crying over there because of this thread. oh so mistreated fass.:rolleyes:

Fass is NSG's litmus test. If you can survive him and want to stay, you are definitely cut out for this place.

Fass is NSG's litmus test. If you can survive him and want to stay, you are definitely cut out for this place.

Fass = Litmus?
*ponders*
So now, it's blue, pink, or paisley?
:D

Fass = Litmus?
*ponders*
So now, it's blue, pink, or paisley?
:D

Probably a middling shade of mauve. :p

Interesting rub since so many of the posts you get involved in are so personally reflective of your discontent,

Reflective on it? Hardly, but rather matter-of-factly. Personal? That's tautological when applied to opinions.

and compounding even to the extent of attempting mod intervention.

Your figments, while impishly droll, turn to the nonsensical.

You have it backwards.
As "gifted" as you are for pomp, you might consider looking in the thread history. I'll provide later if need be, since this post alone is quite telling as to your wherewithal.

What is quite telling is the ironically personal territory you're trying to shepherd this in, as if my person somehow changes the insularity of the video supplied. Tu quoque attempt?

True. I could give an opinion on how lacking in social grace you appear to be, how capricious and conniving you approach other people's sensitivities and sensibilities while holding your own in such high regard, but it tends to go without saying, and i'm not really the better for saying so.
Tact?

Must I even have rhetorically asked, shunning the ellipsis I almost inserted at the end of the former clause, when the tacit answer would be so plainly provided.

Probably a middling shade of mauve. :p

Could be. It would go with the voice nicely.
*nods*

Reflective on it? Hardly, but rather matter-of-factly. Personal? That's tautological when applied to opinions.



Your figments, while impishly droll, turn to the nonsensical.



What is quite telling is the ironically personal territory you're trying to shepherd this in, as if my person somehow changes the insularity of the video supplied. Tu quoque attempt?



Must I even have rhetorically asked, shunning the ellipsis I almost inserted at the end of the former clause, when the tacit answer would be so plainly provided.Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
You're cute when you're wounded in a slightly different way than your usual persona. I could see this diatribe of yours splattered in metropolitan alleys all over this great world of ours .... or maybe even on a Volkswagen commercial.
:P

Reflective on it? Hardly, but rather matter-of-factly. Personal? That's tautological when applied to opinions.Wow. Loop-de-loop. "Factly" and opinions in the same post.
You give excellent examples of tautology, for which i would credit you for if i truely suspected your awareness of it.

Your figments, while impishly droll, turn to the nonsensical.However unbecoming your presence is when you're in your finer "form", you truly reach new lows upon this blather. It's not hard to review the Mod forum to see how you truly handle people's opinions and attitudes when versus your own. Shameful, really, like your post here.

What is quite telling is the ironically personal territory you're trying to shepherd this in, as if my person somehow changes the insularity of the video supplied. Tu quoque attempt?
As in, i should instead shift the thread to your incessant complaint about other people's preoccupations with sexuality and social norm? That suits you better?
Just because *you* say it's "insular" doesn't qualify it singularly as such. Your's is a small, awkwardly glancing opinion that nary reach a second consideration. Again, having no more meat to it, perhaps you'd instead start a thread about your own little problems and your own little regional conflicts, eh?
And as such, you would be treated for what your posting nature screams you are: insular.

Must I even have rhetorically asked, shunning the ellipsis I almost inserted at the end of the former clause, when the tacit answer would be so plainly provided.Alas, poor Yorick, we hardly knew ye. :rolleyes:
Insular indeed.

Masturbation is primarily a solo sport, kids. Fass doesn't need help stroking himself. The best thing is to move on and actually discuss the topic. Fass will do what Fass does...otherwise we all run the risk of not knowing who he is and what he hates and that would kill him from the inside. Everyone's got their insecurities...why else would someone go around stating each threads irrelevance to them when everyone else just ignores threads that aren't relevant to them? How many of you have posted in the 'het Neterlands topic' (or whatever) complaining that it's just about the Netherlands? Leave Fass to his insecurities and move on to the topic.

The film actually is pretty damn interesting. I watched about a year ago and now a professor friend of mine uses it in a class about the 20th century and the media in the US. Regardless of your opinion of the US, it covers how consent, information, and opinion is shaped and provides an understanding into how 'the masses' are moved in the directions that we are, which has a global affect whether it's wanted or not (more often than not, the latter).

It does also make me want a satellite dish thingy to pick all that stuff up.

Masturbation is primarily a solo sport, kids. Fass doesn't need help stroking himself. The best thing is to move on and actually discuss the topic. Fass will do what Fass does...otherwise we all run the risk of not knowing who he is and what he hates and that would kill him from the inside. Everyone's got their insecurities...why else would someone go around stating each threads irrelevance to them when everyone else just ignores threads that aren't relevant to them? How many of you have posted in the 'het Neterlands topic' (or whatever) complaining that it's just about the Netherlands? Leave Fass to his insecurities and move on to the topic.Suppose so.

The film actually is pretty damn interesting. I watched about a year ago and now a professor friend of mine uses it in a class about the 20th century and the media in the US. Regardless of your opinion of the US, it covers how consent, information, and opinion is shaped and provides an understanding into how 'the masses' are moved in the directions that we are, which has a global affect whether it's wanted or not (more often than not, the latter).

It does also make me want a satellite dish thingy to pick all that stuff up.I was actually listening to it while posting. Interesting about Bush Sr. and his "medication" *hork*

I havn't watched much in this video, but I havn't thus far seen anything to unusual or objectionable, just political advisers giving advice to the guest on the show to try and make look better in debate. Thats what politicians do, they want to make themselves look as good as possible, and they do this shit with or without the media.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
You're cute when you're wounded in a slightly different way than your usual persona. I could see this diatribe of yours splattered in metropolitan alleys all over this great world of ours .... or maybe even on a Volkswagen commercial.
:P

Really now, were you so perturbed in your feigned lackadaisicalness that you had to resort to an esprit de l'escalier of Costanzian dimension and content? How satisfying for me. *basks in attention*

Wow. Loop-de-loop. "Factly" and opinions in the same post.
You give excellent examples of tautology, for which i would credit you for if i truely suspected your awareness of it.

You read that as being in reference to the opinions, instead of my attitude towards them? How odd, although in retrospect not so much as your lexicological amateurishness has already been amply demonstrated.

However unbecoming your presence is when you're in your finer "form", you truly reach new lows upon this blather. It's not hard to review the Mod forum to see how you truly handle people's opinions and attitudes when versus your own. Shameful, really, like your post here.

Ah, that was still with the bait and switch in attempting to make this about irrelevant aspects of me and not the video itself?

As in, i should instead shift the thread to your incessant complaint about other people's preoccupations with sexuality and social norm? That suits you better?

The switch attempted, your bait is poor and thus the entire endeavour failed.

Just because *you* say it's "insular" doesn't qualify it singularly as such.

Seeing as I was giving an opinion as to why I disagreed with the author, your repetition of the superfluously obvious personal nature of such still remains a tautology not changing anything about me disagreeing with the OP.

Your's is a small, awkwardly glancing opinion that nary reach a second consideration.

Yet you spend so much time trying to convince yourself thereof, one would deem you a lady protesting. Especially since you did in fact give it a second consideration. :)

Again, having no more meat to it, perhaps you'd instead start a thread about your own little problems and your own little regional conflicts, eh?

Nope, since I can still disagree with the original poster here, in the very thread where I disagree with him.

And as such, you would be treated for what your posting nature screams you are: insular.

Again with the nonsensical.

Alas, poor Yorick, we hardly knew ye. :rolleyes:

The phrase is "Alas, Poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio" - no hardly there, so even your paraphrase is nonsensical.

Insular indeed.

The video? Have you finally decided to try arguing in its defence instead of trying ever so feebly to impugn my person? My hopes shall surely be dashed, but I allow them to soar.

Really now, were you so perturbed in your feigned lackadaisicalness that you had to resort to an esprit de l'escalier of Costanzian dimension and content? How satisfying for me. *basks in attention*

Gather round, children. Fass reveals his true nature.

Gather round, children. Fass reveals his true nature.

I have never been coy about deriving a sort of enjoyment at being given attention - second considerations, even! - by people who claim that they don't want to give it to me, or that somehow I should be denied it. Few should be so familiar with that fact as you (so, do keep it coming, big boy). It is the succulent irony itself of it that I lavish, come it through the proxy of this paradoxically given attention as though it does.

Can we stop hijacking this thread, it looks like an excuse to have a bitching session about fass over a misunderstanding of the word insular, grow up :rolleyes:

I have never been coy about deriving a sort of enjoyment at being giving attention - second considerations, even! - by people who claim that they don't want to give it to me, or that somehow I should be denied it.

Yeah, I read that in Autobiography of a Troll.

Yeah, I read that in Autobiography of a Troll.

I share the same joy, but never here...NSG is too valuable to troll.

I have never been coy about deriving a sort of enjoyment at being given attention - second considerations, even! - by people who claim that they don't want to give it to me, or that somehow I should be denied it. Few should be so familiar with that fact as you (so, do keep it coming, big boy). It is the succulent irony itself of it that I lavish, come it through the proxy of this paradoxically given attention as though it does.

You do that, King Kong. Now, if you don't mind, let's get this thread back on topic.

Yeah, I read that in Autobiography of a Troll.

Trolling would be if I sought it out with comments meant to provoke it. As it happens, I don't have to and never have. These oh, so faux-reticent people supply it willingly without any need for trickery or trolling on my part, so it comes all by itself at times. It's not my responsibility that they react as they do, nor do I have any intent of changing the way I post because of it or pretend that I don't find their reactions hilarious, because I do. Their reactions, though, are by their own intention, not mine.

Now, if you don't mind, let's get this thread back on topic.

Finally! I've yet to see a response from the OPer on how this would still be "worth it" to me if it is indeed as centred on USA media as the quoted part in the OP alluded to, but not the actual OP itself.

Finally! I've yet to see a response from the OPer on how this would still be "worth it" to me if it is indeed as centred on USA media as the quoted part in the OP alluded to, but not the actual OP itself.

Well, if its of no interest to you, then why even bother posting in the thread? Your post is thusly classified as spam, as it is not adding any content to the question posted in the OP.

Not only that, but in response to your "I'm not a troll" post, I ask the question, why is it that you go into nearly every thread I post, especially those about my faith and lifestyle, and you attack me and my beliefs? I try to stay clear of you, because I, as well as everyone else on the forum, know that you are an asshole. But yet, you still post comments that clearly anger me, as the Op, and perhaps others that share similar beliefs. You are an attention seeking troll, and that is that.

Finally! I've yet to see a response from the OPer on how this would still be "worth it" to me if it is indeed as centred on USA media as the quoted part in the OP alluded to, but not the actual OP itself.

You're not posting to state an opinion. You're just posting to show your mother that you can, indeed, talk to people on the Internet. And, like Honky, you take the "I'm a flaming asshole and nobody can say boo about it," approach to posting. If you indeed wish to be a doctor, you'd last as long in a real hospital as Perry Cox (a few seconds). In other words, do shut up.

Well, if its of no interest to you, then why even bother posting in the thread? Your post is thusly classified as spam, as it is not adding any content to the question posted in the OP.

Not only that, but in response to your "I'm not a troll" post, I ask the question, why is it that you go into nearly every thread I post, especially those about my faith and lifestyle, and you attack me and my beliefs? I try to stay clear of you, because I, as well as everyone else on the forum, know that you are an asshole. But yet, you still post comments that clearly anger me, as the Op, and perhaps others that share similar beliefs. You are an attention seeking troll, and that is that.

You shouldn't feel singled out.

Well this was... amusing. :)

Well this was... amusing. :)

It made the thread live a lot longer than what it would have originally.

It made the thread live a lot longer than what it would have originally.

Sad, isn't it...?

Well, if its of no interest to you, then why even bother posting in the thread?

Because it is not clear that it is beyond my interest - it may well become interesting, if you bother to expound on the OP and plead a better case for the video. So, here I am, waiting for that. In vain it would seem.

Your post is thusly classified as spam, as it is not adding any content to the question posted in the OP.

The OP depends on me watching an hour-long video. It is indeed pertinent to be asking for more clarification as to why it is "worth it", because that is quite an investment of time.

Not only that, but in response to your "I'm not a troll" post, I ask the question, why is it that you go into nearly every thread I post, especially those about my faith and lifestyle, and you attack me and my beliefs? I try to stay clear of you, because I, as well as everyone else on the forum, know that you are an asshole. But yet, you still post comments that clearly anger me, as the Op, and perhaps others that share similar beliefs. You are an attention seeking troll, and that is that.

I single you out in no respect; I can barely keep track of who you are, let alone stalk you, so don't flatter yourself. And I post in those threads because they happen to be there when I am on-line at times. If you don't want people posting in them, don't start them. If you only want positive, supportive replies, you're in the wrong forum.

You're not posting to state an opinion. You're just posting to show your mother that you can, indeed, talk to people on the Internet. And, like Honky, you take the "I'm a flaming asshole and nobody can say boo about it." In other words, do shut up.

I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: no. So, you really should not be reading my posts if you wish for them not to be there, or you can read them and tell me to shut up again, which I will still fail to do. No sweat off my back.

Sad, isn't it...?


It only serves to prove that most people don't care about important issues, but rather, they love drama, and that is why this thread carried on, and why the news media goes on the same way as before. (attempt to stay on topic)

I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: no. So, you really should not be reading my posts if you wish for them not to be there, or you can read them and tell me to shut up again, which I will still fail to do. No sweat off my back.

Well, like I said before, if you want to be a doctor, you'd last as long in a hospital as Perry Cox (about a few seconds). Since you clearly find someone saying something is wrong with you an anathema, I'll do something infinitely more rewarding. (Strikes up conversation with nearest stone wall)

Zilam: I'm really sorry about all this.

It made the thread live a lot longer than what it would have originally.
Or deserved to, for that matter. Make no mistake, I am approbative of Fass's contributions to this thread. :D

Really now, were you so perturbed in your feigned lackadaisicalness that you had to resort to an esprit de l'escalier of Costanzian dimension and content? How satisfying for me. *basks in attention*
You missed your french reference, ask WYTYG. :)


You read that as being in reference to the opinions, instead of my attitude towards them? How odd, although in retrospect not so much as your lexicological amateurishness has already been amply demonstrated.Yes, a lesson on lexicon from a guy who doesn't know what "never" means, nor has a clear inkling to cause-and-effect. :rolleyes:
Still cute.
:)


Ah, that was still with the bait and switch in attempting to make this about irrelevant aspects of me and not the video itself? The ONLY aspects of your online persona here, yes.


The switch attempted, your bait is poor and thus the entire endeavour failed.Really? Check moderation.
The only failure i can take credit for here is time spent thinking that your pomp matched your grace.
Admittedly, i overestimated you grandly. That's okay though, it's still fun to see you wounded.


Seeing as I was giving an opinion as to why I disagreed with the author, your repetition of the superfluously obvious personal nature of such still remains a tautology not changing anything about me disagreeing with the OP.As evidenced this far in the thread, surely.
*pwned* :)


Yet you spend so much time trying to convince yourself thereof, one would deem you a lady protesting. Especially since you did in fact give it a second consideration. :)
Like the part with you blubbering on about "never"?
*pwned* :)


Again with the nonsensical.Predictable sod of territory in order to try a logical conversation with you. My bad.
:)


The phrase is "Alas, Poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio" - no hardly there, so even your paraphrase is nonsensical.Yes, but when it comes to "never" and your own explanations as such, i'll stick with what i've got in value. You know a lot of words and very little of the meaning, which is normally entertaining, but sad. It explains a lot though. :)


The video? Have you finally decided to try arguing in its defence instead of trying ever so feebly to impugn my person? My hopes shall surely be dashed, but I allow them to soar.
You've done more than i could've hoped, just by being your precious little precocious self. :)