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I have to admit, I don't follow US politics very strongly, and apart from knowing the Presidential candidates and their stances not much else, although I read news often. Anyways while looking on youtube, I came upon the below video and I think Hillary would be a great President if she went ahead with a little bit of that redistribution she talked about, in fact apart from Dodd I don't think there's one democratic candidate that is expressly bad, although Kucinich comes close second.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGIQXQi5FPg

You know, the US is the US and will stay that way. And part of that means that there will never be a big cradle to the grave type welfare state. They just have a different relationship with their government, real welfare statism just wouldn't get the votes.

Hilary is the most centrist of the candidates, which makes her the biggest threat to the Republicans (hence their decade-long witchhunt) and one of the two contenders for the Democratic nomination (the other being Obama of course, but as far as I can tell he's been rather sketchy on actual policies and big on feelings and other intangibles).

So yeah, think of her what you will, but a socialist she ain't.

I just say she already had two terms of office while her husband showed the newest interns that his condoms really did have the presidential seal on them...

You know, the US is the US and will stay that way. And part of that means that there will never be a big cradle to the grave type welfare state. They just have a different relationship with their government, real welfare statism just wouldn't get the votes.

Hilary is the most centrist of the candidates, which makes her the biggest threat to the Republicans (hence their decade-long witchhunt) and one of the two contenders for the Democratic nomination (the other being Obama of course, but as far as I can tell he's been rather sketchy on actual policies and big on feelings and other intangibles).

So yeah, think of her what you will, but a socialist she ain't.Never say never. The NHS, the world's fourth largest employer, emerged from the remnants of Pax Britannica. What will happen when Pax Americana eventually collapses?

Never say never. The NHS, the world's fourth largest employer, emerged from the remnants of Pax Britannica. What will happen when Pax Americana eventually collapses?
Heh, I'm not even sure modern America would survive the end of Pax Americana. But you're right, whatever it ends up being might be very different from what we know today.

Not that Hillary will have much to say in all that.

Putin '08!!!!!!!!

Hilary is the most centrist of the candidates, which makes her the biggest threat to the Republicans (hence their decade-long witchhunt) and one of the two contenders for the Democratic nomination (the other being Obama of course, but as far as I can tell he's been rather sketchy on actual policies and big on feelings and other intangibles).

So yeah, think of her what you will, but a socialist she ain't.
Hillary is the biggest threat to the Republicans... staying out of the White House. She is the biggest polarizing candidate in the entire race. The Republicans hate her for being a Democrat and promoting a number of liberal positions. Democrats hate her for being fascist on a number of important liberal issues. If she gets through the primaries, the Democrats are handing the White Houses to some jackass Republican.

Hillary is the biggest threat to the Republicans... staying out of the White House. She is the biggest polarizing candidate in the entire race. The Republicans hate her for being a Democrat and promoting a number of liberal positions. Democrats hate her for being fascist on a number of important liberal issues. If she gets through the primaries, the Democrats are handing the White Houses to some jackass Republican.

I still think her husband should be given the Secretary of State position.

I still think her husband should be given the Secretary of State position.
Her husband can be Secretary of Pissing Off the Republicans and Getting Along with the Rest of the World.

...below video and I think Hillary would be a great President if she went ahead with a little bit of that redistribution she talked about, [/url]

Thank you very much for posting the link to that video. The video just reinforces my opinion of Hillary, which is...

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-redefeat.gif

Thank you very much for posting the link to that video. The video just reinforces my opinion of Hillary, which is...

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-redefeat.gif

That's a good one, but better last time around, when it was in reply to the other 're-defeat' series. :p

Anyway, I doubt Hillary can get elected. We'll see - it'll be interesting at least. :)

Hillary is the biggest threat to the Republicans... staying out of the White House. She is the biggest polarizing candidate in the entire race. The Republicans hate her for being a Democrat and promoting a number of liberal positions. Democrats hate her for being fascist on a number of important liberal issues. If she gets through the primaries, the Democrats are handing the White Houses to some jackass Republican.

I agree with you 100%. And anyone who says she is centrist is wrong.

She is to the left of Obama and Edwards, without a doubt. People love her or hate her. And most of those that love her only love her because she is associated with Bill.

She's even been booed at speeches in recent months. Including one speech infront of 1000 angry Iowans, she went on with her rhetoric about this being Bush's war, then got booed by 1000 people who haven't forgotten that she voted for the war, and her excuse was she didn't read the damn reports.

Obama has more money then her, has more volunteers then her. And he is closing the gap in the polls. In most polls now he is about 9% behind her, a month ago he was between 16% and 22% behind her.

If Obama wins the primary, we win the general.

If Hillary wins the primary i'm reminded of a line from Letterman:
"John Kerry has announced he won't run for President in 2008...the democrats now need to find someone else to lose the election for them."

Hillary hasn't got a chance in November, if she gets that far, which i sincerely hope isn't the case..

Thank you very much for posting the link to that video. The video just reinforces my opinion of Hillary, which is...

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-redefeat.gif

Every time I see that, my IQ and the opinion of the person that posts it drops.

Every time I see that, my IQ and the opinion of the person that posts it drops.

Wow, if your IQ drops every time you see it, I'll have to post it more often. :p I guess you'll end up a raving idiot by election time. :)

Thank you very much for posting the link to that video. The video just reinforces my opinion of Hillary, which is...

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-redefeat.gif

However bad Hillary is (and she is pretty bad), she is not a communist.

However bad Hillary is (and she is pretty bad), she is not a communist.

Oh really? I beg to differ. She just gives off this aura that she ate Stalin's corpse for breakfast. She is not the President we need to heal us from Bush.

Oh really? I beg to differ. She just gives off this aura that she ate Stalin's corpse for breakfast. She is not the President we need to heal us from Bush.

If she was a communist she wouldn't be running in an election, she'd be handing out Kalashnikovs to her fellow revolutionaries. The violent overthrow of the existing regime is the aspect of communism that sets it apart from other forms of socialism.

However bad Hillary is (and she is pretty bad), she is not a communist.

*agrees*

If she was a communist she wouldn't be running in an election, she'd be handing out Kalashnikovs to her fellow revolutionaries. The violent overthrow of the existing regime is the aspect of communism that sets it apart from other forms of socialism.

... huh?

If she was a communist she wouldn't be running in an election, she'd be handing out Kalashnikovs to her fellow revolutionaries. The violent overthrow of the existing regime is the aspect of communism that sets it apart from other forms of socialism.

Hillary's not even a socialist, though. Social democrat, maybe.

Side question--why is it that Clinton is the only candidate who is consistently referred to by her first name only? The only other candidate who gets referred to by first name, and then only on occasion, is Giuliani, but it's not like we talk about Barack, or Dennis, or Fred. HRC is the only Clinton in the race--it's not like we have to worry about distinguishing her from the rest in some other way.


And by the way, anyone who calls HRC a communist is a fucking moron.

Side question--why is it that Clinton is the only candidate who is consistently referred to by her first name only? The only other candidate who gets referred to by first name, and then only on occasion, is Giuliani, but it's not like we talk about Barack, or Dennis, or Fred. HRC is the only Clinton in the race--it's not like we have to worry about distinguishing her from the rest in some other way.


And by the way, anyone who calls HRC a communist is a fucking moron.

Because if everyone called her Clinton, everyone would think Bill?

By the way I resemble that last comment. :eek: What the hell, if propaganda works...and that's what presidential politics is all about...propaganda. :p

P.S. I know she isn't a communist, but she isn't a centrist either. She is a socialist.

I still think her husband should be given the Secretary of State position.

As a rule, I think Secretary of State should be reserved for people who believe in the Genocide Convention.

Hillary probably wouldn't be accepted by most of the world's Social Democrat parties. It's silly to call her a socialist.

The Nazz: The Republicans were calling Obama "Barry" for awhile. I'm not sure if that counts.

She is a socialist.

Not in the slightest.

Not in the slightest.

Humm! Let me think about it for a minute....hummm....Hillary care....redistribution of wealth (as in the OPs video link)....humm...SOCIALIST she is.

Oh really? I beg to differ. She just gives off this aura that she ate Stalin's corpse for breakfast. She is not the President we need to heal us from Bush.

While I agree with the last part of your statement, Hillary is more fascist than communist.

Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards in '08.

*snip nativism*

*snip nativism*

What is the American preoccupation with teh ebil commeeez?

What is the American preoccupation with teh ebil commeeez?

You're asking that of people who still think it's 1950?

Hillary care....

Is not socialist.

Single-payer universal health care has socialist elements, maybe. Subsidizing insurance premiums for those who can't afford them, no.

redistribution of wealth (as in the OPs video link)...

Is not necessarily socialist, especially not when advocated by more or less centrist Democrats.

She will probably expand benefits for the poor, perhaps enact pro-labor legislation, and undoubtedly will support a more equitable tax policy. But none of that is socialist.

What is the American preoccupation with teh ebil commeeez?

How old were you during the Cold War?

Side question--why is it that Clinton is the only candidate who is consistently referred to by her first name only? The only other candidate who gets referred to by first name, and then only on occasion, is Giuliani, but it's not like we talk about Barack, or Dennis, or Fred. HRC is the only Clinton in the race--it's not like we have to worry about distinguishing her from the rest in some other way.


And by the way, anyone who calls HRC a communist is a fucking moron.

I totally talk about Fred, I love Fred, I want to help Fred. *joins Fred's campaign volunteer peoples*

I totally talk about Fred, I love Fred, I want to help Fred. *joins Fred's campaign volunteer peoples*

When is he going to make a formal announcement? He is doing quite well in the polls for someone who has not announced, and John is slipping very badly. I think the Republicans are going to come down to Rudy and Fred.

When is he going to make a formal announcement? He is doing quite well in the polls for someone who has not announced, and John is slipping very badly. I think the Republicans are going to come down to Rudy and Fred.

I don't know, I am totally sure he will announce at the perfect announcing time....

did I mention that I totally love Fred?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DdAm6UY4xOE

I love him and his family values based cigar!

How old were you during the Cold War?

From end of Cold War, -1.

From beginning, -40.

A.) Why is socialism inherently a bad thing? Last time I checked, a lot of European nations are quite nice places to live.

B.) Hillary is not a socialist, I'd support her if she were. She, like Bill, is a closet conservative, at best a centrist who conveniently "doesn't have the votes" when important liberal issues come up and makes no effort to get them. She will not pull us out of Iraq if we're foolish enough to elect her.

C.) It is not always socialism to redistribute income. Capitalism doesn't work when it's unregulated, it eventually destroys itself with its own excesses. The Republicans have continuously removed regulatory checks in the marketplace; one serious consequence has been an explosion in income inequality, which isn't healthy for the nation or the economy. Moving the regulatory lines back where they need to be, and ending regressive tax policies, will have the effect of redistributing income in a healthy way.

Because if everyone called her Clinton, everyone would think Bill?Bill's not running, and even when he was, no one called him Bill. They refer to Clinton by her first name because it's a subtle way of demeaning her by gender--she's a woman and so we don't have to show her the same respect we do the male candidates.

By the way I resemble that last comment. :eek: What the hell, if propaganda works...and that's what presidential politics is all about...propaganda. :p

P.S. I know she isn't a communist, but she isn't a centrist either. She is a socialist.

When you decide to stop being dishonest, we can have a discussion on where Clinton falls politically.

Because if everyone called her Clinton, everyone would think Bill?

By the way I resemble that last comment. :eek: What the hell, if propaganda works...and that's what presidential politics is all about...propaganda. :p

P.S. I know she isn't a communist, but she isn't a centrist either. She is a socialist.

Only compared to you.

Ron Paul... easy choice (before you go off on his supporters, unsubstantiated remarks, or how you hate republicans, do some research on the man). Hillary is probably one of the worst choices for president, and it has absolutely nothing to do with her sex, it has to do with her choices, her policies, her flip-flopping not only on issues but also in personas, her recent remarks with John Edwards that quite frankly reminded me of High School grudges against the *unpopular* kids (this is just a pet peeve), her ignoring of the US constitution, and even the way she is running the campaign catering to people who don't care about issues (if they did and knew what they were talking about, most of them wouldn't support her) and marketing her campaign with Sopranos spin-offs and talking about her *theme song* (huh?!). Anyways, I could go on about the rest of the Repubs just as much if not more, but I won't.