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This is utterly ridiculous. Now they want to find a way to prevent cows from belching so much to "help prevent global warming." What a huge bunch of cow kukapoopo. Come on folks if they alarmists want to be taken seriously, they need to quit manure like this. What do you think, are these people serious?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-07-12-cow-belches_N.htm?csp=34

This is utterly ridiculous. Now they want to find a way to prevent cows from belching so much to "help prevent global warming. What a huge bunch of cow kukapoopo. Come on folks if they alarmists want to be taken seriously, they need to quit manure like this. What do you think, are these people serious?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-07-12-cow-belches_N.htm?csp=34

Ever hear of a fistula?
http://www.monkeysvsrobots.com/mvsrpm/images/politics/fistcow.jpg
I'm sure something can be done like this.
We're gonna end up eating 'em anyway.

next thing you know we'll be blamming terrorists... like we blame everything else for...

This is utterly ridiculous. Now they want to find a way to prevent cows from belching so much to "help prevent global warming. What a huge bunch of cow kukapoopo. Come on folks if they alarmists want to be taken seriously, they need to quit manure like this. What do you think, are these people serious?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-07-12-cow-belches_N.htm?csp=34

Methane from human activities (cattle farming and decomposing rice paddies, in particular), is actually a greenhouse gas at least as heat-entrapping as carbon dioxide. It decomposes more quickly, but the damage is done.

The average politician emits 3X the methane of the average cow. Get rid of them!

The average politician emits 3X the methane of the average cow. Get rid of them!

Sounds good. Leave only the above-average politicians. :D
How much BS does the average politican emit compared to the average steer?

I think you opened some quotation marks and then didn't close them.

I think you opened some quotation marks and then didn't close them.

Then maybe he should use an API as a text editor.

What do you think, are these people serious?

They might just be. Methane is an incredibly strong greenhouse gas, and while industrialization has increased carbon dioxide emissions, the growth in agriculture intensity has also caused a significant growth in methane emissions. A diet resulting in less gas production is very realistic; I believe anyone here knows how eating different stuff affects how much gas you experience :).

And just because it is about farting, an inherently funny subject, it does not have to be non-serious.

This, however, is:
You exhaust methane. In Soviet Russia, methane exhausts you!

Well, the cattle business does more to contribute to climate change than cars, through cutting down forests to create grazing lands as well as through cows themselves emitting greenhouse gasses.

If greenies get to try to destroy cars, this is only fair. I just don't see Greenpeace marching onto fields and plugging up cows, while they seem more than happy to put fake speed limit signs on roads to make people drive slower.

Well, the cattle business does more to contribute to climate change than cars, through cutting down forests to create grazing lands as well as through cows themselves emitting greenhouse gasses.



Although i dont generally support the environmentalists,this simply isnt true. Far, far more trees have been cut down for highways and rail and for the mining to smelt the ores for the metals for the cars, and the coal and oil to produce the energy to build the cars. Millions of square feet of potential forestland consumed for factory space, dealerships, Auto repair shops, Tire stores, not to mention the fact of polluting combustion engines then simple cow burps.

There all doing it wrong. If they wnat to stop global warming, they should be convincing people to become pirates.

There all doing it wrong. If they wnat to stop global warming, they should be convincing people to become pirates.

Exactly!

All Pastafarians know that globabl warming has been caused by a sharp decline of pirates.

Havn't they been studying cow farts since way before the global warming craze?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."


They said it is "a" way, not the only way

They should attach like a hose to the bung, leading to a tank(one way hose, natch) on the cow's back, then compress the amount collected each day and sell it as "biofuel".:p

This is utterly ridiculous. Now they want to find a way to prevent cows from belching so much to "help prevent global warming. What a huge bunch of cow kukapoopo. Come on folks if they alarmists want to be taken seriously, they need to quit manure like this. What do you think, are these people serious?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-07-12-cow-belches_N.htm?csp=34

Cows exist today in far higher numbers than ever in the past, and emit larger amounts of methane than most other animals. They exist in higher numbers because of people.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they may be part of the problem.

next thing you know we'll be blamming terrorists... like we blame everything else for...

Blamming them? I wish Bush would get serious about fighting terrorism and START blamming them (i.e. finding bin Laden) instead of just trying to get Iraq's oil.

The average politician emits 3X the methane of the average cow. Get rid of them!

*1-nanosecond pause to ponder the general concept of getting rid of politicians*

I like that idea! :D
They might just be. Methane is an incredibly strong greenhouse gas, and while industrialization has increased carbon dioxide emissions, the growth in agriculture intensity has also caused a significant growth in methane emissions. A diet resulting in less gas production is very realistic; I believe anyone here knows how eating different stuff affects how much gas you experience :).

And just because it is about farting, an inherently funny subject, it does not have to be non-serious.

This, however, is:
You exhaust methane. In Soviet Russia, methane exhausts you!

I could come up with some more "Soviet" jokes...

In Soviet Memphis, (pick one:"barbecue ribs enjoy the delicious flavor of YOU!"; "FedEx packages deliver YOU!"; "airplanes are kept awake all night by YOU!"; "Beale Street comes to YOU to hear musicians!")
In Soviet Nashville, country music records YOU!
In Soviet Chattanooga, the "Choo-Choo" train rides YOU!
In Soviet Knoxville, the University of Tennessee (pick one:"graduates from YOU!"; "comes from far away to watch YOU play football!")
In Soviet Las Vegas, gambling goes bankrupt because of YOU!
In Soviet Video Game Land, a winner is YOU!
In the Soviet NationStates Forums, threads post YOU!
On Soviet Earth, oxygen breathes YOU!

*contemplates starting separate thread for "Soviet"-style jokes*

Soft drinks are packed with carbon dioxide. Every time you open a can or bottle of any drink you release the gas, thus killing the planet a little bit.

How many billions of soft drinks are sold every day...??? What are you going to do about it...???


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Although i dont generally support the environmentalists,this simply isnt true. Far, far more trees have been cut down for highways and rail and for the mining to smelt the ores for the metals for the cars, and the coal and oil to produce the energy to build the cars. Millions of square feet of potential forestland consumed for factory space, dealerships, Auto repair shops, Tire stores, not to mention the fact of polluting combustion engines then simple cow burps.
http://www.veggies.org.uk/page.php?ref=917
The United Nations Food & Agriculture Organisation has just issued (November 29) a stunning report on global warming. Livestock production is responsible for:

more climate change gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world;
70 per cent of the Amazon deforestation;
64 per cent of all the acid rain-producing ammonia;
and 15 out of the 24 vast global ecosystems that are in decline can blame livestock.

More than this, livestock production is at the heart of almost every other environmental catastrophe confronting the planet – rain forest destruction, spreading deserts, loss of fresh water, air and water pollution, acid rain and soil erosion.

Sorry, cars are a scapegoat and have been for as long as people figured out that our civilisation has adverse impacts on the environment.

http://www.veggies.org.uk/page.php?ref=917


Sorry, cars are a scapegoat and have been for as long as people figured out that our civilisation has adverse impacts on the environment.

Your quote didn't factor in have of the things stated about cars, only direct emissions. This you fail.

You're right, it has gone too far. Perhaps we should start curtailing it instead of denying its existence.

Your quote didn't factor in have of the things stated about cars, only direct emissions. This you fail.
Most of the stated things are either nonsensical or sunk costs and can be disregarded. But I'll explain in more detail:

Far, far more trees have been cut down for highways and rail...
I find that hard to believe. Granted, livestock isn't the only form of agriculture, but you would be brave indeed to bet against keeping cattle when it comes to what requires more space and has made people cut down more trees.

A highway only needs a corridor through a forest. A herd of cattle needs a wide, open space. Indeed, because cattle moves around it needs even more space than growing wheat for example. Not to mention that livestock agriculture has been around for a lot longer than cars and is widely practiced even in the third world where there aren't a lot of cars. Hence the fact that 70% of the damage done to the Amazonian forests are due to livestock. And boats and planes don't need any trees cut down.

...and for the mining to smelt the ores for the metals for the cars, and the coal and oil to produce the energy to build the cars.
Yes, keeping cattle requires much less effort on mining. Of course, cars are hardly the only thing that requires metals, and the trend seems to be towards more and more synthetic materials being used in car manufacturing.

As for the energy intensity, it would be interesting to do a comparison on a per car/per head of cattle basis. Car factories are huge places that are all about economies of scale and thus minimising the energy and resources spent on each unit. Cattle on the other hand needs space, which in turn requires some sort of transport (ie cars or helicopters). And in Europe and Japan, keeping livestock is a high-tech operation anyways which is bound to use energy by the bucketloads as well.

I think he'd have to produce some figures before we can make a judgement on this.

Millions of square feet of potential forestland consumed for factory space, dealerships, Auto repair shops, Tire stores...
That's just silly. Add all the space needed for all these things worldwide together, and it will be absolutely dwarved by the size of the land used for cattle farming.

...not to mention the fact of polluting combustion engines then simple cow burps.
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say here. It seems like a cow burping and farting all day seems to be giving a car a good run for its money as far as climate-critical emissions are concerned.

And the rest of the toxins that can be created by a combustion engine are mostly filtered out these days anyways. Cars have evolved quite a bit since the 70s.

Alltogether, the UN says that the livestock industry is worse for the climate than transport, which includes cars, trains, boats and planes. I assume that does not include manufacturing and related areas (but then, I don't think the cattle figures include slaughter, manufacture and transport of meat for example), so we would need some figures on that. I couldn't find anything useful from a quick google search.

I would still wager that a full production chain for livestock would end up outweighing a full production chain for transport - and cars would form only a part of that.

Soft drinks are packed with carbon dioxide. Every time you open a can or bottle of any drink you release the gas, thus killing the planet a little bit.

How many billions of soft drinks are sold every day...??? What are you going to do about it...???


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Nothing? :p

Blamming them? I wish Bush would get serious about fighting terrorism and START blamming them (i.e. finding bin Laden) instead of just trying to get Iraq's oil.



*1-nanosecond pause to ponder the general concept of getting rid of politicians*

I like that idea! :D


I could come up with some more "Soviet" jokes...

In Soviet Memphis, (pick one:"barbecue ribs enjoy the delicious flavor of YOU!"; "FedEx packages deliver YOU!"; "airplanes are kept awake all night by YOU!"; "Beale Street comes to YOU to hear musicians!")
In Soviet Nashville, country music records YOU!
In Soviet Chattanooga, the "Choo-Choo" train rides YOU!
In Soviet Knoxville, the University of Tennessee (pick one:"graduates from YOU!"; "comes from far away to watch YOU play football!")
In Soviet Las Vegas, gambling goes bankrupt because of YOU!
In Soviet Video Game Land, a winner is YOU!
In the Soviet NationStates Forums, threads post YOU!
On Soviet Earth, oxygen breathes YOU!

*contemplates starting separate thread for "Soviet"-style jokes*

No. Just...no.

Cows exist today in far higher numbers than ever in the past, and emit larger amounts of methane than most other animals. They exist in higher numbers because of people.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they may be part of the problem.

Quiet you! The case against Global Warming is largely based on anecdotes and soundbites, don't try to bring reason and evidence into this. They much prefer 'arguments' along the lines of:

"It was, like, really cold yesterday, therefore global warming isn't happening."

"I heard about this, like, conference of global warming which was snowed off? Makes you think doesn't it..."

"Trying to reduce methane emissions is funny because they're talking about farting!"

This is utterly ridiculous.Indeed it is.
Economic losses from weather and flood catastrophes have increased ten-fold over the past 50 years, partially the result of rapid climate changes, the World Water Council (WWC) says. These rapid climate changes are seen in more intense rainy seasons, longer dry seasons, stronger storms, shifts in rainfall and rising sea levels. More disastrous floods and droughts have been the most visible manifestation of these changes.http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Storms-Droughts-Increasing27feb03.htm

And to think people are objecting to such a simple thing as modifying cattle feed because it makes them feel funny. It's completely ridiculous.

I think you opened some quotation marks and then didn't close them.

Fixed. Are you an English teacher?

http://www.veggies.org.uk/page.php?ref=917


Sorry, cars are a scapegoat and have been for as long as people figured out that our civilisation has adverse impacts on the environment.

Save the Planet. Do away with civilization. ....Oh...wait...uh..

Blamming them? I wish Bush would get serious about fighting terrorism and START blamming them (i.e. finding bin Laden) instead of just trying to get Iraq's oil.



*1-nanosecond pause to ponder the general concept of getting rid of politicians*

I like that idea! :D


I could come up with some more "Soviet" jokes...

In Soviet Memphis, (pick one:"barbecue ribs enjoy the delicious flavor of YOU!"; "FedEx packages deliver YOU!"; "airplanes are kept awake all night by YOU!"; "Beale Street comes to YOU to hear musicians!")
In Soviet Nashville, country music records YOU!
In Soviet Chattanooga, the "Choo-Choo" train rides YOU!
In Soviet Knoxville, the University of Tennessee (pick one:"graduates from YOU!"; "comes from far away to watch YOU play football!")
In Soviet Las Vegas, gambling goes bankrupt because of YOU!
In Soviet Video Game Land, a winner is YOU!
In the Soviet NationStates Forums, threads post YOU!
On Soviet Earth, oxygen breathes YOU!

*contemplates starting separate thread for "Soviet"-style jokes*
You fail at russian reversals. Or, should I say, In soviet russia, bad jokes post YOU!

Methane from human activities (cattle farming and decomposing rice paddies, in particular), is actually a greenhouse gas at least as heat-entrapping as carbon dioxide. It decomposes more quickly, but the damage is done.

They should collect the methane and run cars with it. :)

And to think people are objecting to such a simple thing as modifying cattle feed because it makes them feel funny. It's completely ridiculous.

So long as it doesn't alter the flavor or the price of the meat, I wouldn't entirely mind. But it had better not. :p

Soft drinks are packed with carbon dioxide. Every time you open a can or bottle of any drink you release the gas, thus killing the planet a little bit.

How many billions of soft drinks are sold every day...??? What are you going to do about it...???


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:eek:

And what about those of us who drink lots of soft drinks AND eat lots of beans?

:eek:

This is utterly ridiculous. Now they want to find a way to prevent cows from belching so much to "help prevent global warming." What a huge bunch of cow kukapoopo. Come on folks if they alarmists want to be taken seriously, they need to quit manure like this. What do you think, are these people serious?

"Manners aside, getting cows to burp less could help reduce global warming.

Using modern plant-breeding methods to find new diets for cows that make them belch less is a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, scientists reported this week."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-07-12-cow-belches_N.htm?csp=34
Ha Ha, you said utterly...

But this surpasses ridiculous -- I wonder what PETA has to say about this?

Save the Planet. Do away with civilization. ....Oh...wait...uh..

Of course if there is no planet anymore...

Why is this so ridicoulous? If you accept that:
Methane= A Green house gas.
Greenhouse gases contribute to global warming.
Global Warming will have negative consequences on the human population.
Cows produce a lot of Methane and as the human population has grown, the cow population has increased with it.
This means that more methane is produced, contributing to the greenhouse effect and this contributing global warming.
Surely, if this is the case, the logical thing to do is to lessen the amount of methane produced and altering the diet of cows so they excrete less methane is one of the easier ways of doing so.
Just because it sounds a little strange doesnt mean that it is ridiculous or stupid.

Soft drinks are packed with carbon dioxide. Every time you open a can or bottle of any drink you release the gas, thus killing the planet a little bit.

How many billions of soft drinks are sold every day...??? What are you going to do about it...???


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Looks like someone doesn't know much about global warming.

*hint: read up on the carbon cycle*

They should collect the methane and run cars with it. :)

10 posts ahead of you.;) It's not like the cows would notice(or care about, really) the weight either.

Why is this so ridicoulous? If you accept that:
Methane= A Green house gas.
Greenhouse gases contribute to global warming.
Global Warming will have negative consequences on the human population.
Cows produce a lot of Methane and as the human population has grown, the cow population has increased with it.
This means that more methane is produced, contributing to the greenhouse effect and this contributing global warming.
Surely, if this is the case, the logical thing to do is to lessen the amount of methane produced and altering the diet of cows so they excrete less methane is one of the easier ways of doing so.
Just because it sounds a little strange doesnt mean that it is ridiculous or stupid.

Exactly. It seems that most of the deniers haven't moved past the juvenile "Ha ha ha! He said 'fart'!!!" stage of personal development.

Exactly. It seems that most of the deniers haven't moved past the juvenile "Ha ha ha! He said 'fart'!!!" stage of personal development.

Yeah. I guess if you don't agree with the premises, you could argue that it was useless but that seeing as the general scientific consensus agrees with the priemises, it is hardly unreasonable for the scientists to try and fight climate change with solutions such as that.

So long as it doesn't alter the flavor or the price of the meat, I wouldn't entirely mind. But it had better not. :pIf anything it'll probably make the meat taste better because they get fed better food rather than food that does their digestive system in and makes them fart more than normal.

Global warming has gone way to far.

Yeah. :mad:

If I catch that global warming in my neighborhood I'm gonna beath the crap out of it. :mad:

So long as it doesn't alter the flavor or the price of the meat, I wouldn't entirely mind. But it had better not. :p

It probably won't. Burning the last few inches of midwest topsoil up in our gas tanks will probably change the price of meat, but this diet thing probably won't.

You fail at russian reversals. Or, should I say, In soviet russia, bad jokes post YOU!

:D