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WHo owns Proud Mary? Creedence or Ike and Tina?

I'm not talking about who wrote it. I mean who owns it?

Not every writer owns their songs. For instance, All Along the Watchtower was written and performed by Bob Dylan. But it is Jimi Hendrix's song. *nod*

Poll coming.

?? What a thread :rolleyes:

But in fact Tina owns it. No CCR and surely no Ike needed.

all ownership is void what with it being 37 (?) years old :p

Ccr Ftw.

Not every writer owns their songs. For instance, All Along the Watchtower was written and performed by Bob Dylan. But it is Jimi Hendrix's song. *nod*

indeed

ccr owns it.

while tina did an amazing job with the song, it came afterwards and didnt even use all the verses.

Fogerty. He owns everything.

Creedence. No question.

They share it. CCR for writing it, and Tina for being a rare instance of a cover being superior to the original.

all ownership is void what with it being 37 (?) years old :p

If they didn't renew it after 28yrs....

Actually, the general rule (for any work createdon or after Jan 1, 1978) is that copyright lasts for 70yrs after the creator of the work dies.

I think the fantasy lable still owns the rights

They share it. CCR for writing it, and Tina for being a rare instance of a cover being superior to the original.

Have to remember that nearly all of Joe Cocker's early work were song covers. And I can't think of a single one that isn't better than the original.

Keeping with that theme, Tina easily wins.

Actually, last I knew the record label to which CCR were signed owned the song, which is why they sued John Fogerty in the mid-80s, saying his solo album Centerfield sounded too much like CCR.

Actually, last I knew the record label to which CCR were signed owned the song, which is why they sued John Fogerty in the mid-80s, saying his solo album Centerfield sounded too much like CCR.

i thought the problem was the john fogerty sounded too much like john fogerty (in ccr)

they didnt win that case did they?

and you realize that thats not the question, right?

Ccr

i thought the problem was the john fogerty sounded too much like john fogerty (in ccr)

they didnt win that case did they?

and you realize that thats not the question, right?

No they didn't win the case, the judge basically told them they were crazy. The specific issue, IIRC, came from the song "The Old Man Down The Road" from Fogerty's Centerfield album, which they claimed he plaigarized from CCR's "Run Through The Jungle", which Fogerty wrote, but did not own the rights to. And if that wasn't the question, then I misunderstood the OP.

No they didn't win the case, the judge basically told them they were crazy. The specific issue, IIRC, came from the song "The Old Man Down The Road" from Fogerty's Centerfield album, which they claimed he plaigarized from CCR's "Run Through The Jungle", which Fogerty wrote, but did not own the rights to. And if that wasn't the question, then I misunderstood the OP.

the question was...

who did the definitive version of proud mary, ccr or tina turner?

WHo owns Proud Mary? Creedence or Ike and Tina?

I'm not talking about who wrote it. I mean who owns it?

Not every writer owns their songs. For instance, All Along the Watchtower was written and performed by Bob Dylan. But it is Jimi Hendrix's song. *nod*

Poll coming.

They own their own recorded version of the song.

Have to remember that nearly all of Joe Cocker's early work were song covers. And I can't think of a single one that isn't better than the original.

Keeping with that theme, Tina easily wins.

in order for the original artist to not "own" the song some criteria have to be met

the original artist should not have written the song

the orignail artist should not have had a hit with the song

the original artists version should have sucked.

ccr wrote the song, was the original performer of the song and had a big hit with it.

it might be tina's signature song but ccr owns it.

Oh, that. Well, CCR of course.CCR is definitely boring.

the question was...

who did the definitive version of proud mary, ccr or tina turner?

Oh, that. Well, CCR of course.

in order for the original artist to not "own" the song some criteria have to be met

the original artist should not have written the song

the orignail artist should not have had a hit with the song

the original artists version should have sucked.

ccr wrote the song, was the original performer of the song and had a big hit with it.

it might be tina's signature song but ccr owns it.it was only a hit for CCR because folks didn't know yet what better versions of the song were yet to come.

Every song improves with horns and a small monologue in the prologue...Tina

CCR all the way. Tina Turner's version was good, but not good enough.

CCR all the way. Tina Turner's version was good, but not good enough.You obviously have never been to a Tina Turner concert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_OMctGUIZw).

Neither! It's mine I tell you, all mine!

*steals and runs off*

I'd have to say CCR

No idea, never heard it.

Tina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1uPhj_T0X4)

CCR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5NjU0_n-5Y)

I like Tina's version better actually .. now that I listened to both of them. If I'm gonna listen to CCR is will be Suzie Q or Greenriver or something.

Tina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1uPhj_T0X4)

CCR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5NjU0_n-5Y)

I like Tina's version better actually .. now that I listened to both of them. If I'm gonna listen to CCR is will be Suzie Q or Greenriver or something.CCR is way too monotonous. And the way they say "turning" and "burning" is a pain.

CCR is way too monotonous. And the way they say "turning" and "burning" is a pain.

Hahah he does say it weird.. sounds like he's got a cajun drawl or something.. but I still like em. Found some Ike and Tina on you tube just now. I figured it wouldn't be any on there. I'm surprised.

owning the song has nothing to do with which version you prefer

the original artist "owns" the song as long as they wrote it, were the first to record it, and had a big hit with it.

anyone else's version is a cover no matter how great it is.

Hahah he does say it weird.. sounds like he's got a cajun drawl or something.. but I still like em. Found some Ike and Tina on you tube just now. I figured it wouldn't be any on there. I'm surprised.Oh, forget how Ike & Tina did it in the old times, you should see how Tina did it live in the 90s.

owning the song has nothing to do with which version you prefer

the original artist "owns" the song as long as they wrote it, were the first to record it, and had a big hit with it.

anyone else's version is a cover no matter how great it is.We weren't talking about "owning" in the legal sense. We were talking about who makes the song into the best show.

Oh, forget how Ike & Tina did it in the old times, you should see how Tina did it live in the 90s.

That link I put up of her in 1982 live was good. I also watched the link so and so (forgot who) put up of her live in 2000. She is a good performer no doubt. She has a strong and very distinct voice.

Also I must say Angela Bassett did a great job playing her in "What's love got to do with it". Comparable, somewhat, with Sissy Spacek playing Loretta Lynn in "Coal Miner's Daughter".

We weren't talking about "owning" in the legal sense. We were talking about who makes the song into the best show.

we are talking about neither.

tina does a great job with the song but ccr still OWNS it because it was theirs "first", they did a good job with it and had a big hit with it.

that makes anything done by anyone else a cover.

if they hadnt had a hit with their version, it would be tina's.


consider for a moment the country classic song "crazy". it was a big hit by patsy cline. its her song even though willie nelson wrote it and recorded it at a later time. consider "all along the watchtower" that was mentioned by LG. it was a big hit by hendrix and that made it HIS song even though it was written by bob dylan and recorded by him earlier. it was a much bigger song when hendrix did it, so its his.

Wikipedia is your friend




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Mary

Also, if John Fogerty wants to redo the copywrite for the song, he probably should.

This reminds me of the time Whitney Houston said that Dolly Parton should stop performing, "I Will Always Love You," and Ms. Parton said, "Honey, I WROTE it and I OWN it."

This reminds me of the time Whitney Houston said that Dolly Parton should stop performing, "I Will Always Love You," and Ms. Parton said, "Honey, I WROTE it and I OWN it."

Wow I didn't know she said that. What a dingbat. And if she was with Bobby then.. he probably pumped it into her head. Dunno though really. She should've known better either way.

Neither!

Leonard Nimoy (http://mog.com/slrevare)FTW!

I mean, who can forget the pacing, the inflections and the melodic sounds from the throat of the Premier Vulcan.


God knows I've tried... :headbang:

(Click on the link at your own risk... you have been warned!)

This reminds me of the time Whitney Houston said that Dolly Parton should stop performing, "I Will Always Love You," and Ms. Parton said, "Honey, I WROTE it and I OWN it."

I'm not sure I'd stand right up and claim that tune. I'd have submitted it under a pseudonym and...aw, screw it. I'd kill to have those royalties.

As for "Proud Mary", it's southern-rock apples to motown-soul oranges. They're completely different vibes, both of which are very good.

CCR is way too monotonous. And the way they say "turning" and "burning" is a pain.

Well, John Fogerty didn't have much of a choice, bein' Born On A Bayou and all.

If they didn't renew it after 28yrs....

Actually, the general rule (for any work createdon or after Jan 1, 1978) is that copyright lasts for 70yrs after the creator of the work dies.

I think the fantasy lable still owns the rights

Yup.

Music currently in the public domain was written no later than 1922.

If CCR sings it they own it, just the way it is. :)

Song performance - CCR

Stage Performance - Tina

Try listening to the song, rather than watching the video.

Tina is captivating in her stage presence, which CCR definitely lacked, but musically they stomp all over Tina.

I think it is only fair to mention the third cover, Beyonce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F9pOldY0TM

You obviously have never been to a Tina Turner concert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_OMctGUIZw).

Tina Turner is a one-of-a-kind artist. Her own music is great. She doesn't need to do covers - she rocks. To say that I like her version of Proud Mary less than the CCR version, in no way implies that anything else she does is inferior.

Tina Turner is a one-of-a-kind artist. Her own music is great. She doesn't need to do covers - she rocks. To say that I like her version of Proud Mary less than the CCR version, in no way implies that anything else she does is inferior.Yes, she rocks. While the CCR version is shallow soft-pop monotonous boring shit (and with an annoying dialect).

Hm. I've only ever heard the CCR version. So I'll go with that. :p

Hm. I've only ever heard the CCR version. But how??? Where have you been living in the last 30 years?

Yes, she rocks. While the CCR version is shallow soft-pop monotonous boring shit (and with an annoying dialect).

To call Credence Clearwater Revival "soft" at all is to not know what you're talking about to a staggering degree.

Yes, Tina's version is high-energy, flashy, and powerful -- I like it. The problem is that you're buying into a false dichotomy. One version of a song being excellent in no way diminishes the value of another. CCR was a southern-rock bar band, among the best, if not the best, of its kind. The fact that you dislike them doesn't make that untrue. don't particularly like them, but I appreciate their musical contribution. Tina's cover is outstanding, so is the original, for very different reasons.

But how??? Where have you been living in the last 30 years?

You find it so hard to believe that someone hasn't heard Tina Turner's version? Think about it -- it didn't get that much airplay beyond it's heyday in 1971 (with Ike), whereas CCR's version got, and still gets, constant rotation on nostalgia-rock stations across the country. Tina's version is most often heard live in concerts or on TV-concert specials (VH1's Divas Live, for example), and not nearly on the radio as much as CCR's.

If he wasn't watching for it, and didn't catch it by accident, he wouldn't have seen it. And if he's young, it's likely his friends didn't introduce him to it, either. He's been living in under-30 America.

No idea, never heard it.

No time like the present. :)

To call Credence Clearwater Revival "soft" at all is to not know what you're talking about to a staggering degree.

Yes, Tina's version is high-energy, flashy, and powerful -- I like it. The problem is that you're buying into a false dichotomy. One version of a song being excellent in no way diminishes the value of another. CCR was a southern-rock bar band, among the best, if not the best, of its kind. The fact that you dislike them doesn't make that untrue. don't particularly like them, but I appreciate their musical contribution. Tina's cover is outstanding, so is the original, for very different reasons.The CCR version of Proud Mary is monotonous, shallow, soft, flat, without energy, without excitement or motivation of the performers. Something that would make people leave a concert.

You find it so hard to believe that someone hasn't heard Tina Turner's version? Think about it -- it didn't get that much airplay beyond it's heyday in 1971 (with Ike), whereas CCR's version got, and still gets, constant rotation on nostalgia-rock stations across the country. Tina's version is most often heard live in concerts or on TV-concert specials (VH1's Divas Live, for example), and not nearly on the radio as much as CCR's.
If he wasn't watching for it, and didn't catch it by accident, he wouldn't have seen it. And if he's young, it's likely his friends didn't introduce him to it, either. He's been living in under-30 America.There are people who have never seen Tina live? That's sad. Especially since the advent of YouTube.

There are people who have never seen Tina live? That's sad. Especially since the advent of YouTube.
if it's on YouTube... then it isn't 'Live' :D

I'm only joshing with ya.

But it does make you wonder about all those strip joints that advertise "Live Girls!"

I wonder what the alternative is...

The record label owns it....

As for who owns the song by the better performance.. CCR definatly.

The CCR version of Proud Mary is monotonous, shallow, soft, flat, without energy, without excitement or motivation of the performers. Something that would make people leave a concert.


Well, that's obviously incorrect, seeing as how both "Credence Clearwater Revisited" and John Fogerty both continue to get gigs and play the tune there. Look, just because you don't like it doesn't mean millions of others can't. I won't even say your assessment is wrong, 'cause it's an opinion, and that would be rude of me. However, I will say that you're deliberately mischaracterizing CCR's performance based on your own dislike of it. It is not flat or shallow, it's meant to be a ballad -- a story/tribute to a time/era/place that they felt compelled to write about. THEM singing it like TINA wouldn't have fit THEM. The performers were plenty motivated -- just not to make something to your exacting standards.

Let it go, already.

But how??? Where have you been living in the last 30 years?

No less than 300 miles from Mo-Town, at all times. Court order. :p

The CCR version of Proud Mary is monotonous, shallow, soft, flat, without energy, without excitement or motivation of the performers. Something that would make people leave a concert.


I would say the same about Tina Turner... never quite liked her music for some reason.

Far be it from me to knock Creedence. They are musical gods. But in my opinion, Proud Mary is not the highlight of their musical abilities.

In fact, I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that if Ike and Tina didn't cover it a mere 2 years after they first performed it, Proud Mary would barely be a blip on the radar.

I think Ike and Tina made it famous. *nod*

Far be it from me to knock Creedence. They are musical gods. But in my opinion, Proud Mary is not the highlight of their musical abilities.

In fact, I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that if Ike and Tina didn't cover it a mere 2 years after they first performed it, Proud Mary would barely be a blip on the radar.

I think Ike and Tina made it famous. *nod*

I have to disagree -- its presence on greatest hits compilations and nostalgia radio are independent of Tina's version. Nobody's saying "Proud Mary" is CCR's greatest. In fact, all I'm saying is that you can't really compare the two versions because they were written for different audiences in different times and places.

Haven't read the thread, but if you're looking for permission to use a song try ASCAP or BMI. (American Society of Composers Authors and Publishers, Broadcast Music Inc.) There is a European group also but can't remember exactly what it is.

Haven't read the thread, but if you're looking for permission to use a song try ASCAP or BMI. (American Society of Composers Authors and Publishers, Broadcast Music Inc.) There is a European group also but can't remember exactly what it is.

Whenever you feel you need to type that, you needn't hit "submit reply".

if it's on YouTube... then it isn't 'Live' :D

I'm only joshing with ya.

But it does make you wonder about all those strip joints that advertise "Live Girls!"

I wonder what the alternative is...

You know that scene in The Sound of Music? Something like that. but naked.

I always forget that Proud Mary is the name of that song.

Anyway, I have to say that, in my mind, CCR owns that song simply because when bar bands cover it, it's always the CCR version. I'd say that's because few bar bands can cover it like Ike & Tina but the fact remains that, since it's unlikely to ever be in my collection, that I've always heard the CCR version.

I prefer Ike & Tina's version and I especially prefer the dress Tina is wearing in the video posted earlier - I never thought her as 'hot' as such but she exudes a good night's roll in the hay in that dress.