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The UN's International Atomic Energy Agency says it has reached a deal with Iran to allow new inspections and safeguards at key nuclear facilities.

Tehran will allow inspectors into Arak heavy water plant and agree safeguards at its Natanz uranium enrichment plant, the UN nuclear watchdog said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?

looking at this makes me very happy maybe the US and the world can see the usefulness of the U.N now and start working with it :)

there is nothing wrong with optimism

Hopefully this'll be sorted out and we'll be drinking tea in Geneva and everyone will be cool with everything.

Not very likely, though. Sadly.

Well Iran isn't the only problem.

Not very likely, though. Sadly.

well maybe we could have a good few hours of things getting better before the inevitable X vs Y happens all over again

Well Iran isn't the only problem.

ah but Iran seems to be one of the vital parts for any solution :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?

looking at this makes me very happy maybe the US and the world can see the usefulness of the U.N now and start working with it :)

there is nothing wrong with optimism
IF there is a way to screw this all up, then Bush will find a way.

Well Iran isn't the only problem.

Yea, we still have Iraqi War, Afghanistan War, terrorist groups such as Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Well Iran isn't the only problem.

Yeah, the Middle East is like that.

One wonders if in addition to diplomacy, the three US carriers in the Gulf, and the specter of Bush in office (yeah, I'm sure they think he's nuts, too) had any effect on them.

Who told you that disabling Iran's weapons will bring peace to the Middle east. ???

what weapons?! :p

The UN's International Atomic Energy Agency says it has reached a deal with Iran to allow new inspections and safeguards at key nuclear facilities.

Tehran will allow inspectors into Arak heavy water plant and agree safeguards at its Natanz uranium enrichment plant, the UN nuclear watchdog said.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?Who told you that disabling Iran's weapons will bring peace to the Middle east. ???

and if you believe that.. I have bridge to sell you :D

Who told you that disabling Iran's weapons will bring peace to the Middle east. ???

It helps, in that Bush won't be tempted to thrash Iran, and get us in another mud pit for the next 20 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?

looking at this makes me very happy maybe the US and the world can see the usefulness of the U.N now and start working with it :)

there is nothing wrong with optimism

So long as there are twelvers in office in Iran, you won't have peace.

Iran said they'll allow inspectors and safeguards, I don't know if their halting their attempt to construct nuclear weapons (or if those are the only nuclear sites they control).

Peace unfortunately, isn;t likely to happen as a result, Iran will still fund some terrorists, a lot will come becuase of iraq, the only thing is we can watch Iran more carefully (assuming the UN can actually do the job well)

In related news the US is trying to get UN nuclear weapons inspectors no longer funded, or something of that nature

It helps, in that Bush won't be tempted to thrash Iran, and get us in another mud pit for the next 20 years.Iraq did not have any nukes.. yet Bush ravaged their Cities, killed hundreds-of-thousands and will probably break-up the Country.

The only sure way for the Iranian people not to suffer the same fate is ... to get some nukes.
Once a Country has its nukes -the Bush temptation to invade- magically goes away.

So long as there are twelvers in office in Iran, you won't have peace.

nu-uh I have faith in the growing number of hair spiking punks of Iran:)

now that there is less chance of the place being bombed into the neolithic era the country can modernize and with such get educated etc

Iraq did not have any nukes.. yet Bush ravaged their Cities, killed hundreds-of-thousands and will probably break-up the Country.

The only sure way for the Iranian people not to suffer the same fate is ... to get some nukes.
Once a Country has its nukes.. the Bush temptation to invade it magically goes away.

Nah. Even if you have a nuke, you have to deliver it.

There isn't an Iranian ship or missile system or aircraft that would survive direct contact with US forces.

Nah. Even if you have a nuke, you have to deliver it.Irrelevant
Once a Country has nukes.. It is extremely unlikely to suffer the fate Iraq has suffered.


There isn't an Iranian ship or missile system or aircraft that would survive direct contact with US forces.I agree, if a nuclear missile makes contact with the US forces.. the missile will not survive.. it would explode.

that is why all the US bases in the ME would become targets (and Tel-Aviv).. in case of an US invasion.

Once a Country has nukes.. It is extremely unlikely to suffer the fate Iraq has suffered.

Bush thought Iraq had chemical weapons and that didn't stop him, what makes you think he would be any different for any other imaginary weapons?

Irrelevant
Once a Country has nukes.. It is extremely unlikely to suffer the fate Iraq has suffered.

We didn't invade North Korea because they would nuke South Korea (indeed, they had enough conventional artillery within range of Seoul to kill millions without a nuke).

What would Iran nuke? Itself?

Irrelevant
Once a Country has nukes.. It is extremely unlikely to suffer the fate Iraq has suffered.

I guess that's why we haven't invaded Peru.

As much of an UN advocate that I am, it pains me to say this


in all reality, the UN is no more qualified to actually pacify any real rogue state threat in the middle east than Haiti. Plus, the ineffectiveness of the UN to make any enforceable foreign policy stance considering the nations that comprise the security council (talk about conflicts of interest abounding) also inhibit its overall practicality in rooting out terrorist threats while simultaneously promoting peace and democracy


in short, i'm afraid it will probably take more unilateral actions by nations such as the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and others to successfully architect any long lasting, effectual peace within the middle east

however, long before that is accomplished, i am more than confident that more bloodshed and fighting will occur


greed and power rule the leaders of all nations

...any other imaginary weapons?imaginary nukes do not make Iran safer

We didn't invade North Korea because they would nuke South Korea (indeed, they had enough conventional artillery within range of Seoul to kill millions without a nuke).
if we try to do to Iran -what we did to Iraq- What makes you think Iran would not target Israel and the US bases in the ME ?

I mean if you were an Iranian General, would you just bend over -and suffer the fate of Iraq- without trying to hurt the Invaders?



(if we invade)What would Iran nuke? Itself?I believe I have answered that question five times already.

Well, Israel has the military force to defend itself against Iran. Also, Iran already funds terrorists groups, which it uses indirectly (but rather directly anyway) to harrasse Israel as it is. So in reality, it'd make no difference.

Iran has it's fingers deep into a lot of stuff it shouldn't. They have no regard for fellow mideastern countries, and they cause a lot of problems. Their leader is a nutjob, and they harbor/fund terrorists.

I mean if I were the leaders of Iran, I'd think twice before not complying with any world demands, and provoking the worlds largest superpower to attack me. Kinda seems like a dumb idea to me. But heck, who am I?

in short, i'm afraid it will probably take more unilateral actions by nations such as the United States, United Kingdom, ... and others to successfully architect any long lasting, effectual peace within the middle eastI am afraid we have been trying that for decades.. and what we have achieved is: Long lasting effectual Bloodshed.

Well, Israel has the military force to defend itself against Iran. ..there would be nothing left to defend in Either Iran or Israel..
*hint* glass parking lots.

and perhaps finally.. peace.

IF there is a way to screw this all up, then Bush will find a way.

White House Political Adviser: Mr. President, the IAEA and Iran have come to an agreement regarding nuclear inspections. It seems that Iran is beginning to cooperate with the UN. I'd say this is a step in the right direction, if I may be so bold, sir.

Bush: (Thinking) Shit, this could be bad! All that fearmongering will be fer nuthin' if Iran starts acting all peace-like! Iran starts the road to peace?! What's next? Americans living lives free of fear? Cheaper oil?

...Gay marriage?! I gotta do somethin'!

Adviser: Sir?

Bush: Go to defcon 2!

White House Political Adviser: Mr. President, the IAEA and Iran have come to an agreement regarding nuclear inspections. It seems that Iran is beginning to cooperate with the UN. I'd say this is a step in the right direction, if I may be so bold, sir.

Bush: (Thinking) Shit, this could be bad! All that fearmongering will be fer nuthin' if Iran starts acting all peace-like! Iran starts the road to peace?! What's next? Americans living lives free of fear? Cheaper oil?

...Gay marriage?! I gotta do somethin'!

Adviser: Sir?

Bush: Go to defcon 2!
You forgot lower stock prices for BushCo. :D

Other than that, you are right on the money!!

imaginary nukes do not make Iran safer

works for North Korea

I am afraid we have been trying that for decades.. and what we have achieved is: Long lasting effectual Bloodshed.

true true


maybe it'll work out in the end


maybe not


it's a hard situation that we've found ourselves in

Hooray for the UN! Good show!

The United Nations is increasingly relevant in the modern world, and prominent nations ought to realise how it's really in thier best interests to co-operate with the organisation.

Now we have inspectors in Iran, hopefully a war will be avoided. This way we'll actually have a better picture of what Iran does with it's nuclear material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?

looking at this makes me very happy maybe the US and the world can see the usefulness of the U.N now and start working with it :)

there is nothing wrong with optimism

Ah, to be non-cynical again…

I trust Iran.:D

IF there is a way to screw this all up, then Bush will find a way.

He's too busy dealing with those "activist judges" who are calling him out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6897255.stm

So does this mean its all over and we can have peace in the middle east?

looking at this makes me very happy maybe the US and the world can see the usefulness of the U.N now and start working with it :)

there is nothing wrong with optimism

All these means is that they're doing their "nuclear weapon" work elsewhere. I can see the tour now: "Here is the plant. That door is secret you can't go in there. No. You can't. Go look in that door. It's where we manufacture teddy bears."

He's too busy dealing with those "activist judges" who are calling him out.
He truly is busy these days. He should take a vacation until Jan. 2009. :D

He truly is busy these days. He should take a vacation until Jan. 2009. :D

Wouldn't be much different than what he has been doing. With his record breaking number of vacations.

All these means is that they're doing their "nuclear weapon" work elsewhere. I can see the tour now: "Here is the plant. That door is secret you can't go in there. No. You can't. Go look in that door. It's where we manufacture teddy bears."

if you do that you get those health and safety inspectors turning up and you have to start churning out toys to cover yourself, then it gets more and more about the teddy's and less about the development of a future global conflict

thats how Roosevelt got started :p

Wouldn't be much different than what he has been doing. With his record breaking number of vacations.

now, now he does allot of voting in Florida...

He truly is busy these days. He should take a vacation until Jan. 2009. :D

"These terrorists must be stopped. Now watch this drive!"

if you do that you get those health and safety inspectors turning up and you have to start churning out toys to cover yourself, then it gets more and more about the teddy's and less about the development of a future global conflict

thats how Roosevelt got started :p


LOL! Trusting Iran to allow inspectors into weapons sites and show them "everything" is like trusting a bank robber in Fort Knox with a keycard and a fake identity.

IF there is a way to screw this all up, then Bush will find a way.

This evokes images in my mind of Bush in a huddle with his closest advisors, saying, "All right gentlemen, I am trying to find a way to screw up the Middle East. Anybody got any suggestions?"

Sort of like Clinton saying to Monica, "You! Go lie", and to Linda Tripp, "You! Go obstruct justice!"

This evokes images in my mind of Bush in a huddle with his closest advisors, saying, "All right gentlemen, I am trying to find a way to screw up the Middle East. Anybody got any suggestions?"
The problem is that Bush has surrounded himself with all the people necessary to accomplish that goal. :p

I agree, if a nuclear missile makes contact with the US forces.. the missile will not survive.. it would explode.

that is why all the US bases in the ME would become targets (and Tel-Aviv).. in case of an US invasion.

The US' most well established bases are in Saudi Arabia, an area unlikely to be targeted by Mujahideen for such general destruction.

I'm sure Israel would get it pretty tight, though. Naturally, they would be firing back before the first missiles even launched, but any kind of nuclear assault would likely break the country's back given its very small landmass (it's what, half the size of Wales? And a good chunk of that territory "Palestinian"?).

SNIP

why have you brought a 3 day old thread back to life?

why have you brought a 3 day old thread back to life?

Three days is considered too old, now?