NationStates Jolt Archive


No, no science, no intel - just a "gut" feeling

Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 18:58
Wow, wish I had a job where I could wield power based on a "gut" feeling.

How about gathering intel, or somesuch?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4958254.html

CHICAGO — Fearing complacency among the American people over possible terror threats, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in Chicago on Tuesday that the nation faces a heightened chance of an attack this summer.

"I believe we are entering a period this summer of increased risk," Chertoff told the Chicago Tribune's editorial board in an unusually blunt and frank assessment of America's terror threat level

I see - fearing that we're complacent, he decides to scare us out of complacency.

What scares me is that this sends a clear signal that they have no idea what terrorists are doing or planning. Lovely.
Deus Malum
11-07-2007, 19:06
Wow, wish I had a job where I could wield power based on a "gut" feeling.

How about gathering intel, or somesuch?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4958254.html



I see - fearing that we're complacent, he decides to scare us out of complacency.

What scares me is that this sends a clear signal that they have no idea what terrorists are doing or planning. Lovely.

...I...wha...wait a minute! Did you just disparage a member of the Bush Administration???
Johnny B Goode
11-07-2007, 19:25
Wow, wish I had a job where I could wield power based on a "gut" feeling.

How about gathering intel, or somesuch?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4958254.html



I see - fearing that we're complacent, he decides to scare us out of complacency.

What scares me is that this sends a clear signal that they have no idea what terrorists are doing or planning. Lovely.

That's called truthiness, man.
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 19:26
...I...wha...wait a minute! Did you just disparage a member of the Bush Administration???

Yes, I've done it before.

Really, you should read my posts more often.
Deus Malum
11-07-2007, 19:50
Yes, I've done it before.

Really, you should read my posts more often.

I try and avoid a lot of the politics threads nowadays. Religion threads are more entertaining.
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 19:59
I try and avoid a lot of the politics threads nowadays. Religion threads are more entertaining.

I usually avoid the religion threads. Most of the posts are:

poster A: assertion about some religion, usually odd
poster B: god sucks, you fail, you suck, you moron
poster C: yeah, what B said
Lunatic Goofballs
11-07-2007, 20:03
We're not growing complacent. The realization that the security measures we've put in place are completely useless and do nothing but sacrifice our personal liberty in exchange for the illusion of heightened security has begun to sink in a little bit.

That, and we're tired of smelling everybody's shoeless feet at the airport. :p
Deus Malum
11-07-2007, 20:03
I usually avoid the religion threads. Most of the posts are:

poster A: assertion about some religion, usually odd
poster B: god sucks, you fail, you suck, you moron
poster C: yeah, what B said

You'd be surprised. The E vs. C threads are pretty ok, aside from the occasional UB and co.
Soyut
11-07-2007, 20:06
This man obviously has access to a highly sophisticated intelligence network, so why isn't he using it?

I have a gut feeling to go eat lunch.
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 20:07
You'd be surprised. The E vs. C threads are pretty ok, aside from the occasional UB and co.

I am recalling how Smunkee got bashed every time she brought up anything remotely religious - and she didn't post anything odd.

I also remember the days of the random Calvinist posting here - yeeeech.
Deus Malum
11-07-2007, 20:20
I am recalling how Smunkee got bashed every time she brought up anything remotely religious - and she didn't post anything odd.

I also remember the days of the random Calvinist posting here - yeeeech.

That was pretty much exclusively UB and Szanth being nuisances.
Ifreann
11-07-2007, 20:26
Someone needs to tell the American government that ruling by fear is unethical.

I suggest that someone be the American voters.
Taran Vandela
11-07-2007, 20:33
Hey, there are a few of us trying.

We're called Ron Paul supporters.

Not that he has a snowball's chance of winning ...

-- Chris
Fleckenstein
11-07-2007, 20:34
Someone needs to tell the American government that ruling by fear is unethical.

I suggest that someone be the American voters.

They're stuck in their airtight sealed homes wearing gasmasks and watching FoxNews 24/7, because they left the remote outside and no one wants to risk exposure to Islam.
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 20:39
Hey, there are a few of us trying.

We're called Ron Paul supporters.

Not that he has a snowball's chance of winning ...

-- Chris

Ron Paul is a Truther. Are you insane as well?

Good news - he's holding steady at 0%

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/07/usatgallup-poll.html

Neither former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore nor Rep. Ron Paul registered any support.
Fleckenstein
11-07-2007, 20:40
Ron Paul is a Truther. Are you insane as well?

Good news - he's holding steady at 0%

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/07/usatgallup-poll.html

On a positive note, things can only improve! :p
Liuzzo
11-07-2007, 20:55
Yes, I've done it before.

Really, you should read my posts more often.

I enjoy the occasion when we can agree. Safety and security have changed but surely not to a levewl where we can feel safe. This is the world we live in and I suppose you can't just go around being fearful that something might happen because evntually it will no matter how hard we try to be alert. As long as the conditions that permit people to feel terrorism is an acceptable form of getting your point across is as long as terrorism will exist. Fighting fires before they are full blazes is the only way. If only it were that easy right? Sadly I believe terrorism will always exist as part of the natural balance of our world. For all the good there must be some bad so let's just live life to the fullest each day and not constantly thing of "well maybe...*explosion*"
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 20:57
I enjoy the occasion when we can agree. Safety and security have changed but surely not to a levewl where we can feel safe. This is the world we live in and I suppose you can't just go around being fearful that something might happen because ventually it will no matter how hard we try to be alert. As long as the conditions that permit people to feel terrorism is an acceptable form of getting your point across is as long as terrorism will exist. Fighting fires before they are full blazes os the only way. If only it were that easy right? Sadly I believe terrorism will always exist as part of the natural balance of our world. For all the good there must be some bad so let's just live life to the fullest each day and not constantly thing of "well maybe...*explosion*"

It's one thing to warn people if you have an actual bit of intel.

It's another thing to warn people just because you think they're getting complacent.

And this gives me the impression there is a dearth of intel.
Turquoise Days
11-07-2007, 21:01
It's one thing to warn people if you have an actual bit of intel.

It's another thing to warn people just because you think they're getting complacent.

And this gives me the impression there is a dearth of intel.
And as soon as there is a real warning, people will just think, 'Ah, he must think we're getting too complacent again.' and ignore it. Worse than useless.
Remote Observer
11-07-2007, 21:06
And as soon as there is a real warning, people will just think, 'Ah, he must think we're getting too complacent again.' and ignore it. Worse than useless.

By the time a real warning crosses his desk, the attack will have already taken place, and he'll be standing there saying WTF!?