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According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?

Consensual sex between two humans who are old enough and mature enough to have sex responsibly is never "evil." Well, adultery is pretty immoral IMO, but if people choose to do that, it's not my business, and especially not the State's.

sex is an evil that must be stopped *

Yep! Ban it!


* taking yet another page out of the Fox News selective out-of-context playbook

That seems appropriate. Most 14-year-olds are probably able to consent to sex.

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?

I'm all for consentual sex between two individuals who are mature enough... but seriously... a 14 year old and a 20 year old? VAST differences. Thats like freshman in highschool and junior in college. Honor roll vs. bachelors degree...

The sooner we invent a maturity meter the better. When you get to, say, 15 you start getting your maturity measured at regular intervals. When it's high enough, you're legally an adult. If you think you're mature enough before 15 you can get tested earlier.

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?

Age of consent is 14 in Canada and you don't see us bursting into flames from divine retribution. Nor do you see more 40 year old creeps having sex with 14 year old teenagers than you guys might have.

It doesn't matter what the law says, teens will be teens whatever the law says.

Are you sure this is a law? Or is it just one of those "look the other way" things. No one want to admit it but they're at it like rabbits. So why tie up the courts everytime a 14 year old girl has "relations" with her older boyfriend. I'm sure it would be different if he was an Internet preditor or some pervert.......

It doesn't matter what the law says, teens will be teens whatever the law says.

Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!

It doesn't matter what the law says, teens will be teens whatever the law says.

that was pretty much what I was about to post, all current laws do is put 14 year old kids on the sex offenders list

Yep! Ban it!


* taking yet another page out of the Fox News selective out-of-context playbook

Yes, indeed. Sex is the main reason we have overpopulation on this world, so it must be bad, right ;)

Yes, indeed. Sex is the main reason we have overpopulation on this world, so it must be bad, right ;)

Not if it's gay sex, it's not. According to your reasoning, at least ;)

So, uh... dude, wanna fluffle? :fluffle:

Yes, indeed. Sex is the main reason we have overpopulation on this world, so it must be bad, right ;)

I'm just curious, but what is a "Blaatschapen?" :confused:

It doesn't matter what the law says, teens will be teens whatever the law says.
QFT.
AOC is 14 up here, no real problems with it. As long as they're educated, who cares.

Huh, first I've heard of it, infact I'd not even heard it was being debated. Do you have a source that's not Faux news?

http://www2.indystar.com/news/indianawire/

No mention of it anywhere.

The sooner we invent a maturity meter the better. When you get to, say, 15 you start getting your maturity measured at regular intervals. When it's high enough, you're legally an adult. If you think you're mature enough before 15 you can get tested earlier.

Aw man, I still wouldn't be allowed to drive! :(;)

that was pretty much what I was about to post, all current laws do is put 14 year old kids on the sex offenders list

I know, it's like...

:fluffle:

Cop: How old are you two?
Girl: 16.
Cop: *turns to Guy* You are under arrest for rape.
Guy: I'm 16, too!
Cop: *turns to Girl* You're under arrest too. *cuffs both
Guy and Girl: WTF?!

Makes no sense...

Consensual sex between two humans who are old enough and mature enough to have sex responsibly is never "evil." Well, adultery is pretty immoral IMO, but if people choose to do that, it's not my business, and especially not the State's.

+1 million.
i suppose if the girl is not mature enough to consent that would mitigate things a bit.
but if consensual,wtf is the problem?
daddy dont want his little princess getting hit is not enough,if she spreads her legs,then that to me is she is willing.
i am not saying getting some girl drunk under the age is acceptable,the fuck that does that needs to be beaten stupid,but if a girl is sexually curious and willingly consents,i dont see the problem.
and yes i have a daughter,and i would scour the earth if someone used her for sex,just to kill them,but if my girl consented,well thats a different story,i either did not raise her right,or she was just ready.

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?

I am not seeing anything on this on other sources.

Consensual sex between two humans who are old enough and mature enough to have sex responsibly is never "evil." Well, adultery is pretty immoral IMO, but if people choose to do that, it's not my business, and especially not the State's.

I agree

Age of consent is 14 in Canada and you don't see us bursting into flames from divine retribution. Nor do you see more 40 year old creeps having sex with 14 year old teenagers than you guys might have.

Unfortunately I have to agree though according to what I am looking at, the age of Consent for Indiana is still at 16.

It doesn't matter what the law says, teens will be teens whatever the law says.

QFT

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?
I was involved in a debate last year whose topic was: "Censorship of the Internet is a vital tool for the preservation of society". Inevitably, the subject of paedophilia came around, and the pro-censorship speaker who had raised it went off on a long rant about the evils (yep, he used the word, too) of young teenagers having sex. He was more than a little deflated when the range of ages of consent that are in force around the globe was made clear to him.

There's actually a pretty informative Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent) page covering this. It includes regionalised lists for the way this is legislated in various countries, which reveal that - in the U.S. - the age of consent varies between 13 and 18 depending on the state in question and, in some places (and this is where the 13 comes in, in case any of you are getting out the soap boxes), the age difference between the participants.

I agree that sex with 14 year olds could be argued as immoral, where that individual is not mature enough to appreciate what they are engaging in, but evil?. No.

For most of the existence of our species there has been no age of consent. Biologically, sex is a normal expression of natural instinct from the point of puberty onwards. The argument could be made that some 14 year olds (hell, some 16 year olds) have not finished puberty and are therefore not (physically) sexually mature enough to be engaging in reproductive acts, and it's a good argument.

The issue of mental/emotional maturity is a lot more difficult to quantify, but it would be a lot easier to deal with if people were less squeamish about the whole thing and allowed proper sex education to take place rather than reacting with quasi-religious indignation whenever someone attempts to teach their children the way things are.

All of the above is irrelevant though since, as mentioned above, teenagers are going to do whatever the hell they please anyway. Is criminalising them the right way to deal with it? I don't think so.

Aw man, I still wouldn't be allowed to drive! :(;)

On the plus side, your parents would still have to buy you food and what not.

Teen sex is evil 'cos I never got any.

Teen sex is evil 'cos I never got any.

Seconded.

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.
The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
State why. Expecially since at 15 years usually both males and females are sexually mature and reproduction-wise able.

Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?
And how, pray? A Big Brother system in parks and minors' bedrooms?
Oh, no... more Inquisition-style... chastity belts and mutilations!

I guess that you're just full of envy.:p

I forgot to add that in most of Europe the age of consent is already 14. Yes, we Europeans are evil. *nod*

I'm just curious, but what is a "Blaatschapen?" :confused:
It's "baa sheep" in Dutch.*nods*
Huh, first I've heard of it, infact I'd not even heard it was being debated. Do you have a source that's not Faux news?

http://www2.indystar.com/news/indianawire/

No mention of it anywhere.
Not like he exactly did give an actual source anyway, is it, without even a measly li'l link to anything.

And somehow I don't see Indiana, of all places, blazing the trail so "liberally".

It's "baa sheep" in Dutch.*nods*

Not like he exactly did give an actual source anyway, is it, without even a measly li'l link to anything.

And somehow I don't see Indiana, of all places, blazing the trail so "liberally".

Having watched Indiana politics for a number of years now, we wouldn't. Hell I was stunned when the gay marriage debate died.

Whatever . 16 over here in the UK. Laws don't stop people committing acts, they just make some acts illegal.

Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?
no. If two people want to have sex, they should be able to, even if they are just teens.

no. If two people want to have sex, they should be able to, even if they are just teens.

"Oh hi, My name is Kiley. I am 7. I want to have sex with my dad, and he wants to have it with me"


Hmm, do you like where that leads? Listen, I was for two adults consenting...Then I was for two teens 16/17 ish in consenting. But this is just too much. How low are we going to set standards?

As for "teens are teens no matter the age. There is a big difference between freshmen in high school and fresh men in college. In just 4 year, you learn to drive, get a job, register to serve the country and vote, and so much more. The fact of the matter is that most 14( i know there are always exceptions) are not mature enough, socially speaking, to have sex. They might be able to in accordance to nature, but not socially speaking.

The fact of the matter is that most 14( i know there are always exceptions) are not mature enough, socially speaking, to have sex. They might be able to in accordance to nature, but not socially speaking.

so how do you plan on stopping them? and more importantly are you suggesting that 16 year olds are mature?!

so how do you plan on stopping them? and more importantly are you suggesting that 16 year olds are mature?!

I think the law is an attempt to decriminalize teen sex, but still provide a protection against adults preying on teens.

It's more or less an admission that they can't stop teens from having sex with one another.

I don't believe that half of the adults alive today are mature enough to make good decisions about sex. But there's not much you can do about that without making life hellish and dull for everyone else.

so how do you plan on stopping them?

I admit, its near impossible to stop teens from having sex. But from what I am gathering, this is allowing 14 yr olds to have sex with any one their age or above, meaning even nasty old geezers. Pedo heaven right there.


and more importantly are you suggesting that 16 year olds are mature?!

I am saying that 16 is more socially mature and responisible than a 14 yr old. Here, when you are 16, you are looking for a college/uni, you have a job, and can drive. They might not be mature in other senses though.

Do any of you know who sings that punk song called jailbait? The chorus is the words 'Underage Sex!' repeated over and over again.

Ring any bells?

I believe age of consent in Australia is 14 or 15. Conditionally, upon the age of the partner. Unconditionally I think it is 16 or 17. Anyhow, it is all BS. Once somebody wants to have sex, they are by default capable of making that decision (yes, the one they just made).

According to Fox News, the state of Indiana has lowered the age of consent to 14.

The law is called the "The Romeo and Juliet Defense".
This legalizes sex between 20 years olds and 15 year olds. This is evil.
Don't you agree that teen sex is an evil that must be stopped?

I believe that you are talking out your ass.

I have a buddy who was in his late 20s when he met his then 14 or 15 year old girlfriend. It was great for her because he was mature and helped her to become more mature herself. I do not see what the problem is especially if the parents are cool with it. That couple are still together five years later. I think he was the best thing in the world for her.

I believe that you are talking out your ass.
Ah Johnnie, did you get laid yet? Didn't you have dick parents or something? Are they still alive?

Ah Johnnie, did you get laid yet? Didn't you have dick parents or something? Are they still alive?

You really have to learn NOT to attack people personally.

You really have to learn NOT to attack people personally.

Attack? No, actually they were all sincere questions. Last time I was here, Johnny was agonising over being a virgin and having dick parents. I think.

Attack? No, actually they were all sincere questions. Last time I was here, Johnny was agonising over being a virgin and having dick parents. I think.

That is still no reason to come off like a superior. At least that is what it seemed to me. I apologize if I was mistaken.

Actually that would have been a beautiful dick move. One of those things that when someone does it, you are just like 'what a dick' and appreciate it. Heh heh, insult on masculinity followed by incredibly inappropriate jab at family figures.

No really though, I was just shooting questions. No need to apologise, I was doing my thing, and you were doing yours.

I don't think 14 year olds should be having sex. But I doubt any law would stop them.

I don't think 14 year olds should be having sex. But I doubt any law would stop them.

no law would. I should know.

I have a buddy who was in his late 20s when he met his then 14 or 15 year old girlfriend. It was great for her because he was mature and helped her to become more mature herself. I do not see what the problem is especially if the parents are cool with it. That couple are still together five years later. I think he was the best thing in the world for her.

That's good, I suppose. It's much longer than I've ever had a girlfriend for.

I am saying that 16 is more socially mature and responisible than a 14 yr old. Here, when you are 16, you are looking for a college/uni, you have a job, and can drive. They might not be mature in other senses though.

I'm 16 in two months, I haven't taken driver's ed, I don't believe myself to be capable of holding a job that requires talking to people (thus why I think I can only be a writer or a musician), and I'm not looking at colleges at all because I'm certain that, with as low as a GPA and several Ds I have, I stand no chance at getting in to anything bigger than a junior college. And upon thinking back, I'm not certain as to why I decided to post this.

Attack? No, actually they were all sincere questions. Last time I was here, Johnny was agonising over being a virgin and having dick parents. I think.

I'm 13. Whatdaya expect? Actually I made them come off as harsher than they actually are.

well back in the day people were having kids and married by 15...so i guess Indiana is going Retro...nothing wrong with that

I think it just makes legal sense that consent should be in par with when parental control is no longer enforced.

That is when a minor ceases to be a minor or is criminally responsible under young offenders laws or otherwise.

If they are 'responsible and punishable' for their actions it is only natural that they should also gain benifits of personal accountability to sexual acts as well.

That is if someone isn't watching out for you as someones gaurdianed child or a state ward then it only makes sense that you should be able to make your own choices including sex.

I think that in the teen years though many children, the majority, still live in tandem with their parents and have to atleast politically keep cohesion as they may attempt more independance.

I really can't speak for anyone else. There is a stigma about unwed teenage mothers, and increase unsafe sex among minors, but at the same time sex ed classes atleast in this area start at age 12 and continue through each year in health/physed class.

It is the question of whether providing condoms or otherwise is seen as an encouragement to sexual irresponsibility.

My personal stance is that people should be able to make their own choices, but I do know how clueless I was in my teenage years. If by some miracle I managed to get a girl pregnant it would have been a very odd situation for me. I don't see it as good or bad, as my life hasn't been all that normal anyway But there is that mixed feeling like the younger they are the more likely they are to fk something up (pun intended).

Also in mind are those guys that go after bald and I really do think that it is the girls who are mostly put at what might be term lifestyle risk by it.

But I'm libertarian all the way.. maturity insn't an age... but I can understand protectionism especially if it effects your political economy your children or anyone you directly or indirectly support.


Teens usually only get crappy jobs.. how are they going to support children?

Smorgishabortion?

I although nuetral on the issue of abortion, don't really support it but am prochoice.

There shouldn't even be any consent laws, anywhere. If you want to have sex, go for it. Who cares how old you are. Consent laws are as silly as sodomy laws.

No, I'm not trolling.

There shouldn't even be any consent laws, anywhere. If you want to have sex, go for it. Who cares how old you are. Consent laws are as silly as sodomy laws.

No, I'm not trolling.

YAY for elementary school sex!

Making Minor-Minor sex illegal is astoundingly idiotic. "You two are not mature enough for sex. It is illegal for you because you are not capable of making an informed decision to have it. Therefore, for commiting the act that we have already acknwoledged you are not mature enough to decide to do informedly, we're going to call you a sex offender". What the Fuck? I can understand teh reasons against wanting adults to have sex with minors, but wanting to make sex between two people of similair ages illegal is just idiocy.

YAY for elementary school sex!

If two elementary school students of similair ages want to have consensual sex with each other, I have no problem with it.

What surprises me is that we came up with this law. Indiana. God forbid that we do something right for a change. Now all we need to do is to get rid of Mitch Daniels and any and all candidates that support the I-69 pork barrel project, and this may be a place you can feel right about living in again.