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Racism is something that must have existed since mankind has been able to form intelligent thought. The hatred for those who look different then they do, the fear of what is strange or foreign. Of course it is this hatred and fear that helps greatly in the excuse for wars and atrocities that has poisoned mankind and does even to this day that leads to certain races to be declared somehow "lower" than another. Whether from wanting to keep power for themselves or through religion or simple ignorance this has occured. Today we try to fight against this. In the U.S. we freed the slaves, passed laws guarenteeing their equality and now use affirmative action to somehow "make up" for past wrongs. In school, the media, action groups, etc., we all learn that all races are equal, all the same, and those few who think otherwise are just hateful, smallminded assholes who need someone to blame for their troubles and a minority is an easy target. So things are certainly getting better.

Or are they? Are things really getting better? Or at least fast enough? We try to change the hearts and minds of people through legislation and simple deeds to show the races equality but people may not listen to sweet reason and a law won't make people change from beliving their pathetic bigotry. History shows this, even with forced integration there was turmoil as people rejected the right for one race to have the same education as another. And now that a minority group has some power "reverse racism" can occur like that deal with white voters being cheated in a black majority area that the right really loved to harp on (as if every group of people doesn't have its own scumbags). So is there a better answer? I believe there is. Some may have a kneejerk negative reaction to this proposal but you should really think before having such reaction. The answer is this: to end racism completely we need to make it mandatory for races to reproduce with a race different from their own.

Without this measure, racism will be with us for an unforseen length of time. By enacting this we can mix the genes of the races and quickly help turn us all into one true human race. As Caucasians, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. all begin to interbreed it will not be many generations until we all begin having the same characteristics. As this occurs, the plague of racism shall disappear as we shall all no longer be "pure" blood. It would be ridiculous to hate yourself after all. And wouldn't it be deliciously ironic to have this measure after the miscegenation laws of old? It would certainly be a rap in the teeth for those who may long for such laws return.

Now I'm sure some of you will whine about your rights and how you should be able to have children with whomever you wish. This is understandable but you must not be selfish and think of the common good here for all people. Just think of how society will improve without divisions among us, purity and racial pride and all that other bullshit being done away with. As we come together as a people, I have no doubt that countries will eventualy become a thing of the past as the people of the world intermix, exchange language and culture we will begin to have a true united planet without national and ethnic identities to be barriers holding back progress to improve the world.

To have this come about some about temproary sacrifices must be made. So it will be illegal to reproduce with a member of the same race. Should a couple be caught having such children the parents will be sterilized for the good of the planet. No harm will come to the child as it is innocent and hopefully will learn from the mistake of the parents. Should the woman be merely pregnant though, the fetus will be terminated to keep another generation of so called "pure" blood from staining us all. This is seemingly harsh and may allow you to bring up comparisons somehow with past regimes in history but this measure is meant to hurry the process of blending the races so that we can all become one and this fusion will take too long as it is, we can't have people trying to delay it any further.

Of course I understand that people have itches that need to be scratched. So if you want to have sex with someone of your own race that is just fine, no one is saying that you can't do so. But no children. For that you need someone who is different from yourself so the worldwide change can occur. You can still screw to your hearts content, so this isn't so bad is it?

So I urge you. Write to your representitive to get this measure made into law and official policy. For the benefit of our future generations to live in a more peaceful world without these irrational hatreds this must be done and I know that the small sacrifice it requries will be made by each and every one of you so that this wonderful goal may be accomplished.

Wtf?

Racism is something that must have existed since mankind has been able to form intelligent thought. The hatred for those who look different then they do, the fear of what is strange or foreign. Of course it is this hatred and fear that helps greatly in the excuse for wars and atrocities that has poisoned mankind and does even to this day that leads to certain races to be declared somehow "lower" than another. Whether from wanting to keep power for themselves or through religion or simple ignorance this has occured. Today we try to fight against this. In the U.S. we freed the slaves, passed laws guarenteeing their equality and now use affirmative action to somehow "make up" for past wrongs. In school, the media, action groups, etc., we all learn that all races are equal, all the same, and those few who think otherwise are just hateful, smallminded assholes who need someone to blame for their troubles and a minority is an easy target. So things are certainly getting better.

Or are they? Are things really getting better? Or at least fast enough? We try to change the hearts and minds of people through legislation and simple deeds to show the races equality but people may not listen to sweet reason and a law won't make people change from beliving their pathetic bigotry. History shows this, even with forced integration there was turmoil as people rejected the right for one race to have the same education as another. And now that a minority group has some power "reverse racism" can occur like that deal with white voters being cheated in a black majority area that the right really loved to harp on (as if every group of people doesn't have its own scumbags). So is there a better answer? I believe there is. Some may have a kneejerk negative reaction to this proposal but you should really think before having such reaction. The answer is this: to end racism completely we need to make it mandatory for races to reproduce with a race different from their own.

Without this measure, racism will be with us for an unforseen length of time. By enacting this we can mix the genes of the races and quickly help turn us all into one true human race. As Caucasians, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. all begin to interbreed it will not be many generations until we all begin having the same characteristics. As this occurs, the plague of racism shall disappear as we shall all no longer be "pure" blood. It would be ridiculous to hate yourself after all. And wouldn't it be deliciously ironic to have this measure after the miscegenation laws of old? It would certainly be a rap in the teeth for those who may long for such laws return.

Now I'm sure some of you will whine about your rights and how you should be able to have children with whomever you wish. This is understandable but you must not be selfish and think of the common good here for all people. Just think of how society will improve without divisions among us, purity and racial pride and all that other bullshit being done away with. As we come together as a people, I have no doubt that countries will eventualy become a thing of the past as the people of the world intermix, exchange language and culture we will begin to have a true united planet without national and ethnic identities to be barriers holding back progress to improve the world.

To have this come about some about temproary sacrifices must be made. So it will be illegal to reproduce with a member of the same race. Should a couple be caught having such children the parents will be sterilized for the good of the planet. No harm will come to the child as it is innocent and hopefully will learn from the mistake of the parents. Should the woman be merely pregnant though, the fetus will be terminated to keep another generation of so called "pure" blood from staining us all. This is seemingly harsh and may allow you to bring up comparisons somehow with past regimes in history but this measure is meant to hurry the process of blending the races so that we can all become one and this fusion will take too long as it is, we can't have people trying to delay it any further.

Of course I understand that people have itches that need to be scratched. So if you want to have sex with someone of your own race that is just fine, no one is saying that you can't do so. But no children. For that you need someone who is different from yourself so the worldwide change can occur. You can still screw to your hearts content, so this isn't so bad is it?

So I urge you. Write to your representitive to get this measure made into law and official policy. For the benefit of our future generations to live in a more peaceful world without these irrational hatreds this must be done and I know that the small sacrifice it requries will be made by each and every one of you so that this wonderful goal may be accomplished.

No, I'd rather have my freedom, thanks.

Wow, I remember someone posting this exact same theory waaay back.

Well, not way back. Maybe six months or so ago, I can't remember.

Wow, I remember someone posting this exact same theory waaay back.

Well, not way back. Maybe six months or so ago, I can't remember.

Is six months too soon? I'd hope not given the urgency we should be feeling to get this done.

Thanks for posting some copy pasta most people won't read.

No, I'd rather have my freedom, thanks.

That is smallminded unfortunately, a bit of sacrifice in this regard will go a long way.

Thanks for posting some copy pasta most people won't read.

Hey, I'm sorry if you are impatient. You can skip the first two paragraphs if you want, they are just introduction. ;)

Wow! Well um I err, yes, I umm apllaud your commitment to the irradication of racism.

But forced reproduction with other 'races' seems at the very least a a little bit against human rights wouldn't you say?

That is smallminded unfortunately, a bit of sacrifice in this regard will go a long way.

Not so much, really.

I have my solutions to racism, at least for myself. I am not a racist person. I don't judge based on race. I simply hate everyone instead.

How exactly will everyone being of the same race get rid of national divisions?

I like having multiple cultures, thankyouverymuch.

How can you possibly promote abortion? It's not the child's fault. That baby has just as much right to live as anyone.


I can't even begin to wade into the rest of this.

Hell no.

Wtf?

I heartily endorse this summation of the first post.

I think it had something to do with genocide...or something.

Did you mis-post this here instead of the UN Forum?

That is smallminded unfortunately, a bit of sacrifice in this regard will go a long way.

I can't trust the government with that power. Sorry, but I'd rather have racism than government overbearing.

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..so, basically, this is a re-posting of a god-awful mix of genocide, Nazi ideals with a healthy dollop of eugenics?

Wow, what a load of utter rubbish. Anyone who believes this tosh needs their brain examined.

Wow! Well um I err, yes, I umm apllaud your commitment to the irradication of racism.

But forced reproduction with other 'races' seems at the very least a a little bit against human rights wouldn't you say?

Should that be 'applaud' or 'appalled'?

I heartily endorse this summation of the first post.

I think it had something to do with genocide...or something.

Did you mis-post this here instead of the UN Forum?

Calling this measure genocide is something a racial purist would try to claim. That interbreeding would destroy the "cleaness" of a certain race. By following this, we will end the concept of a race as we will all be multiracial and as time goes by we shall become one race.

Hint: Forced-breeding programs are not a "new" solution to anything.

If your genius idea is to control other people's reproductive decisions in order to enforce your vision of utopia, you're about 3000 years behind the times.

Get new material.

How can you possibly promote abortion? It's not the child's fault. That baby has just as much right to live as anyone.


I can't even begin to wade into the rest of this.

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.

I, for one, will not bring the obvious up, and in so doing, Godwin the thread, but I know we're all thinking that this sounds shockingly similar to that sort of thing.

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.

... except for the parents and the foetus?

I, for one, will not bring the obvious up, and in so doing, Godwin the thread, but I know we're all thinking that this sounds shockingly similar to that sort of thing.

It isn't Godwin if it's relevant.

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So basically we force people to breed with another race? Is it mandatory they have children? Can they have children outside wedlock? If they don't have children, do they have to marry someone outside their race?

Calling this measure genocide is something a racial purist would try to claim. That interbreeding would destroy the "cleaness" of a certain race. By following this, we will end the concept of a race as we will all be multiracial and as time goes by we shall become one race.

Hey, some people tried this before. It kinda ended badly for them; I believe the head honcho shot himself in Germany somewhere. Forget the chaps name...

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.

If people didn't want children they shouldn't be having sex. Abortions are only for the idiot teenagers who give in to hormones. A fetus is a human being, that shouldn't be killed.

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.

It's a human rights issue. Forcing a mother to abort a child that she very well could want would be psychologically damaging. It doesn't matter what you think of her unborn child. It matters what she thinks of it.

Hey, some people tried this before. It kinda ended badly for them; I believe the head honcho shot himself in Germany somewhere. Forget the chaps name...

I understand that you are choosing to misread my post but I am saddened you ignored my request not to have a kneejerk reaction. Where am i advocating that people should be lined up and murdered? This is simply a plan to end the concept of a "pure" race by eliminating the right to breed with "your" race. How is this the same thing as what the Nazis did?

Wait. It isn't.

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.

"For the benefit of everyone"

Nice. There's nothing like talking people into offing their own kind, and then saying it's for the benefit of everyone. If you're going to kill them, at least do it yourself, instead of tricking them into doing it themselves.

Part of the reason why Democrats are pro-abortion is because they believe it helps lower the number of black Americans. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was clear on this. From La Shawn Barber, ”More controversial is Sanger’s ‘Negro Project,’ devised in 1939. The eugenicist set out to implicate black ministers and doctors in her efforts to spread her message of contraception, sterilization, and abortion in the black community. ‘The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members,’ she wrote.”

Freakonomics (another book worth reading) shows that the primary effect of legalized abortion in the US has been the reduction in crime - you guessed it - by reducing the number of black children.

You a right to lifer? A fetus isn't a person so it doesn't matter what happens to the fetus. People get abortions all the time, to make their lives easier, this will be abortions that will be for the benefit of everyone.
Sounds like you are the anti-choicer around here. You're the one trying to commandeer my uterus against my wishes, to be used to make the world the way you like it. That's exactly what all the "right-to-lifers" advocate: that THEY have the right to use MY life however they want, regardless of what I choose for myself.

Sorry, but you're just another lazy troll who feels entitled to use me as an incubator. Nothing new or creative in the least. You want a baby of mixed-ethnicity? Fine. Grow one yourself.

It's a human rights issue. Forcing a mother to abort a child that she very well could want would be psychologically damaging. It doesn't matter what you think of her unborn child. It matters what she thinks of it.

Like I said, there will have to be temporary sacrifices so that all will be able to live better in the future. Women get willing abortions as well you know and they can still be "psychologically damaged". I would do what any reasonable person would recommend. Use quality birth control.

"For the benefit of everyone"

Nice. There's nothing like talking people into offing their own kind, and then saying it's for the benefit of everyone. If you're going to kill them, at least do it yourself, instead of tricking them into doing it themselves.

Part of the reason why Democrats are pro-abortion is because they believe it helps lower the number of black Americans. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was clear on this. From La Shawn Barber, ”More controversial is Sanger’s ‘Negro Project,’ devised in 1939. The eugenicist set out to implicate black ministers and doctors in her efforts to spread her message of contraception, sterilization, and abortion in the black community. ‘The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members,’ she wrote.”

Freakonomics (another book worth reading) shows that the primary effect of legalized abortion in the US has been the reduction in crime - you guessed it - by reducing the number of black children.

Wow, you turn the measure for interacial breeding into some rant of the evil Democrats and their plans against blacks. But of course it has nothing to do with what I posted and even if you could somehow twist what I wrote into supporting this I can only say that the entire idea is to end ALL races not just certain ones. That is the entire point.

So basically we force people to breed with another race? Is it mandatory they have children? Can they have children outside wedlock? If they don't have children, do they have to marry someone outside their race?

I never said anything about forcing children on anyone. But if they want them it must be with a race different from their own.

Sounds like you are the anti-choicer around here. You're the one trying to commandeer my uterus against my wishes, to be used to make the world the way you like it. That's exactly what all the "right-to-lifers" advocate: that THEY have the right to use MY life however they want, regardless of what I choose for myself.

Sorry, but you're just another lazy troll who feels entitled to use me as an incubator. Nothing new or creative in the least. You want a baby of mixed-ethnicity? Fine. Grow one yourself.

Hey, we see eye to eye on something.:)

Like I said, there will have to be temporary sacrifices so that all will be able to live better in the future. Women get willing abortions as well you know and they can still be "psychologically damaged". I would do what any reasonable person would recommend. Use quality birth control.

Being forced into an abortion is guarenteed to damage a woman. Leave the rest of the pro-choice/pro-life argument out of it.

Birth control can fail. No method is 100%.

I understand that you are choosing to misread my post but I am saddened you ignored my request not to have a kneejerk reaction. Where am i advocating that people should be lined up and murdered? This is simply a plan to end the concept of a "pure" race by eliminating the right to breed with "your" race. How is this the same thing as what the Nazis did?

Wait. It isn't.

Oh, I don't know.

The advocation of eugenics, for a starter. The dismissal of human rights and the threat of force to achieve these ends. The vision of one single 'super-race' instead of a multiculturally diverse community...

...I could go on...

Hey, we see eye to eye on something.:)
Heh. I have to admit, at least this troll is fun enough to include racism along with his misogyny in a neat little package. Because what utopian scheme would be complete without forced occupation of female bodies?

Sounds like you are the anti-choicer around here. You're the one trying to commandeer my uterus against my wishes, to be used to make the world the way you like it. That's exactly what all the "right-to-lifers" advocate: that THEY have the right to use MY life however they want, regardless of what I choose for myself.

Sorry, but you're just another lazy troll who feels entitled to use me as an incubator. Nothing new or creative in the least. You want a baby of mixed-ethnicity? Fine. Grow one yourself.

If you don't want to help with the future that is your choice but you need to help passively with that future by not continuing the so called pure races. People have to obey many laws they don't care for and though some may get miffed over this particular one, their great grandchilren will certainly be thankful when there is no one who is attacking them because they are "different".

And I don't see how I am being trollish, am I frothing at the mouth? Cursing at people? If anything others are trolling against me with their continued association with mixed breeding with mass murder and racial purity. It is nothing of the sort but it doesn't stop people now does it?

Isn't this something out of the Lathe of Heaven?

The answer is this: to end racism completely we need to make it mandatory for races to reproduce with a race different from their own.That isn't an answer to racism, far from it. It would eliminate diversity rather than promote tolerance or appreciation for it.

Never mind that people would just find something new to discriminate each other on.

Heh. I have to admit, at least this troll is fun enough to include racism along with his misogyny in a neat little package. Because what utopian scheme would be complete without forced occupation of female bodies?

What action movie would sell without a rape scene and some big explosions?

Oh, I don't know.

The advocation of eugenics, for a starter. The dismissal of human rights and the threat of force to achieve these ends. The vision of one single 'super-race' instead of a multiculturally diverse community...

...I could go on...

I don't want to kill the invalid. The mentally retarted. The generally undesired. Just to have the planet become a one true race without hatreds that are in societies today. It will happen eventually (thousands of years eventually) why not speed the process up for the benefit of all?

Heh. I have to admit, at least this troll is fun enough to include racism along with his misogyny in a neat little package. Because what utopian scheme would be complete without forced occupation of female bodies?

Racism? If I am racist against EVERY race I suppose that's true. Is that even possible I wonder.... and I don't not like someone because they are of a race so it doesn't work after all. Simply that their race is a blockage for humanity to work together instead of being divided over such foolishness.

I am amused though that you are more angry at the "repressed woman" part of the plan. I should have seen that coming, I bet many will be more pissed about being told they can't have certain babies then the whole supposed racism thing (which doesnt' exist of course).

Oh yeah, thats great. Tell me, what is a 'race'? Oh! Thats right; it's a category we apply arbitrarily to phenotypal differences in people. Surely if we mixed the existing races, these arbitrary barriers would simply be reset on new phenotypal differences. Especially because of the dominant/recessive gene system, which guarantees diversity (and that there will never be a single 'beige race').

:headbang:

:)
Freakonomics (another book worth reading) shows that the primary effect of legalized abortion in the US has been the reduction in crime - you guessed it - by reducing the number of black children.

I read freakonomics, and nowhere did it say that abortion reduced crime by preventing the birth of black children. What it said was that because of abortion's legalization, many children who would be entering their "criminal prime" (late teens-early twenties) were simply not around to do so, as many people who are born into families down on their luck (who also, coincidentally, had the most abortions) become criminals in that age span. Don't try to twist the words of others; it makes you look unintelligent.


I, for one, agree with the poster's ideas; after all, he did say you could have sex with someone of the same race as you, you just couldn't have a child, and everyone would really be making a tiny sacrifice of their freedom because of the boundaries of this theory, that if you wanted to have a child, you had to do it with another race, which, essentially, doesn't limit your freedom too much, now does it? And besides, you still would have different cultures, because most likely religions would stay around and new ones would appear all the time. And to eliminate racial tension from that, you'd only have to teach to impressionable young children that violence against people from different religions is wrong. Problem solved.:)

besides the obvious breach of freedom with this idea...

IMO people will still find ways to hate each other...

If you don't want to help with the future that is your choice but you need to help passively with that future by not continuing the so called pure races. People have to obey many laws they don't care for and though some may get miffed over this particular one, their great grandchilren will certainly be thankful when there is no one who is attacking them because they are "different".

Actually...no. I don't need to "passively help" by letting you own my body.

Nor do I have to pander to the kind of cowardly wimps who insist that it's just not possible to act like a grown up if there are different colored people walking around.

Children certainly won't be better off living in a world where people only can respect each other if everybody looks the same.


And I don't see how I am being trollish, am I frothing at the mouth? Cursing at people?

Neither of those is required for trolling.


If anything others are trolling against me with their continued association with mixed breeding with mass murder and racial purity. It is nothing of the sort but it doesn't stop people now does it?
You are getting exactly the response you were looking for when you posted this thread. You are not fooling anybody.

I am amused though that you are more angry at the "repressed woman" part of the plan. I should have seen that coming, I bet many will be more pissed about being told they can't have certain babies then the whole supposed racism thing (which doesnt' exist of course).
Wait, so you're amused that I take issue with the obvious stated plan to co-opt women's bodies, instead of taking issue with the racism that you insist is not there in the first place?

If, as you say, there's no racism there to be found, then why would you be the least bit surprised or amused by me focusing on the actual stated plan that you presented?

Things that make you go "hmm..."

I don't want to kill the invalid. The mentally retarted. The generally undesired. Just to have the planet become a one true race without hatreds that are in societies today. It will happen eventually (thousands of years eventually) why not speed the process up for the benefit of all? Yeah, that isn't how it works. Note what a 'race' actually is.

I am amused though that you are more angry at the "repressed woman" part of the plan. I should have seen that coming, I bet many will be more pissed about being told they can't have certain babies then the whole supposed racism thing (which doesnt' exist of course).

I'm not a woman and I don't like that part of the plan.

WTF? lol, im in ur secks makin ur choice? Please, go away. What you're advocating is the same thing every racial purist has advocated since the beginning of time. You're just saying forced mixing, instead of forced purifying.

So you decorated Auschwitz in pink flowers and motivational banners. It's still a fucking death camp.

Freakonomics (another book worth reading) shows that the primary effect of legalized abortion in the US has been the reduction in crime - you guessed it - by reducing the number of black children.

Funny, that's not what I remember of Levitt's argument. If I remember correctly, his main point was that unwanted children, born to poorly educated, financially impoverished mothers, were the most likely to turn to crime. He used the example of Romania to prove his point, so it isn't a purely black phenomenon.

I do agree that it's well worth reading though.

WTF? lol, im in ur secks makin ur choice? Please, go away. What you're advocating is the same thing every racial purist has advocated since the beginning of time. You're just saying forced mixing, instead of forced purifying.

So you decorated Auschwitz in pink flowers and motivational banners. It's still a fucking death camp.

What?! You don't like Margaret Sanger?

You are taking away a fundamental right people have. You are trying to dictate who they fall in love with and who people procreate with.

And it solves nothing. People will always be different. Different hair color, different eye color, different height, different weight, different abilities, different religions, different sexual orientations. If you don't remove the fundamental problem of bigotry, the bigots will focus their racial intolerance on something else.

You are getting exactly the response you were looking for when you posted this thread. You are not fooling anybody.

I expected this from a few people but so many? I thought people would be able to read but I seem to be mistaken. Ludicrous comparisons are nothing new though, people do them all the time and people sooooooo love bringing up teh Godwin.

You are taking away a fundamental right people have. You are trying to dictate who they fall in love with and who people procreate with.

And it solves nothing. People will always be different. Different hair color, different eye color, different height, different weight, different abilities, different religions, different sexual orientations. If you don't remove the fundamental problem of bigotry, the bigots will focus their racial intolerance on something else.

Yes. Margaret Sanger had this problem - she thought too many blacks were procreating. Since she couldn't kill them off, she encouraged them to abort their babies.

True story. She even wrote about it.

What?! You don't like Margaret Sanger?

First off, I was referring to the OP, and secondly, no, I don't like Sanger, as she was a proponent of Eugenics and a racist.

Yeah, that isn't how it works. Note what a 'race' actually is.

WTF? lol, im in ur secks makin ur choice? Please, go away. What you're advocating is the same thing every racial purist has advocated since the beginning of time. You're just saying forced mixing, instead of forced purifying.

So you decorated Auschwitz in pink flowers and motivational banners. It's still a fucking death camp.

I don't recall actually advocating the death of anyone. Making sure different races breed to improve society doesn't actually kill anyone now does it? Shall you try again?

First off, I was referring to the OP, and secondly, no, I don't like Sanger, as she was a proponent of Eugenics and a racist.
I'm no big fan of hers, myself, but I think we also should keep perspective about Sanger and her views.

Yes, she did advocate "negative eugenics." Which I find crappy and creepy. But she also said,

"We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother... Only upon a free, self-determining motherhood can rest any unshakable structure of racial betterment."

Which puts her at least a few steps ahead of our dear OP.

But thanks for that friendly anti-choice hijack, RO! When in doubt bash Sanger, as they say.

So, apart from the 'passive' infractions of individual liberties, gross misogyny, and rather original inverse racist eugenics, your theory is broken.

A race is simply a loosely bound category of individuals based primarily on their phenotype. Even if all of the current races of the world were to be completely and even redistributed and mixed, there would be variation in phenotypes. Not to mention genetic 'throwbacks' (ever heard of two white parents birthing an ebony baby. It can happen with just a single drop of negro blood somewhere not too far up the family tree). Also, there is the dominant/recessive gene system which ensures there will always be freaks. It is important for our diversity as a species. No matter what you do, blonde will be less common than brown, and red less common than both. So, even after the 'perfect mixing programme', there would just be new 'races' based on new arbitrarily laid criteria.

Tell me, what separates a Turk from a Greek? Is it their phenotypes? Not really, Greeks and Turks are fairly well blended. Rather, it is their culture. This is the real core of your perceived problem. Not phenotypes, these are meaningless and inconquerable. Rather, culture is what sets us apart, and causes the fear of the unknown to spring up among us. Do you want to erase culture? Can you?

First off, I was referring to the OP, and secondly, no, I don't like Sanger, as she was a proponent of Eugenics and a racist.

Well, she founded Planned Parenthood.

I don't recall actually advocating the death of anyone. Making sure different races breed to improve society doesn't actually kill anyone now does it? Shall you try again?

No, you fail to see the meaning of the analogy. Hitler did not want to kill them for the sake of killing them. He wanted to kill them to purify Germany, he wanted to kill them to stop them from reproducing more Jews/Gypsies/non-Herrenvolk.

While you're not killing anyone, the end result is the same. A self-selected master race via government-controlled selective breeding.

Yes. Margaret Sanger had this problem - she thought too many blacks were procreating. Since she couldn't kill them off, she encouraged them to abort their babies.

True story. She even wrote about it.

Why did she go to Japan to promote birth control then? And yes, teaching teenage girls about menstration, that's racist. I guess Rockefeller is racist too then, since he provided her funding. She educated anyone and everyone on birth control.

I don't want to kill the invalid. The mentally retarted. The generally undesired. Just to have the planet become a one true race without hatreds that are in societies today. It will happen eventually (thousands of years eventually) why not speed the process up for the benefit of all?

And there is the thing, how do you know that, you can see into the future? Say that we implemented your plan of action, and it just didn't work, say that mankinds need to find differances between us and use these differances as an excuse to be violent and hatefull towards one another, never goes. Then we have caused a lot of pain suffering, sacrifice, and multiple breaches of human rights, and humane treatment for nothing.


Racism? If I am racist against EVERY race I suppose that's true. Is that even possible I wonder.... and I don't not like someone because they are of a race so it doesn't work after all. Simply that their race is a blockage for humanity to work together instead of being divided over such foolishness.

And again, how can we take this proposal seriously when what you talk about is just your opinion. Show me your indepth studies of the human psyche, explain to me how you are an expert in the field of the human mind, please show me your evidance that the human animal will ever WANT to be globealy united, let alone that it ever WILL be so.

I am amused though that you are more angry at the "repressed woman" part of the plan. I should have seen that coming, I bet many will be more pissed about being told they can't have certain babies then the whole supposed racism thing (which doesnt' exist of course).

And i am more than ammused that you do not glean from Botles response and others the task ahead of you. Your plan will never work, and it is precisly because we all have diffferant focuses, needs and wants from life that we will never be united in the way in which you envisage.

I'll do a little predicting for you myself, even if there comes a time when we all look the same, we shall still find other reason to persecute each other. Or do you suggest we all be foreced into the same faith, or lack of faith?

Well, she founded Planned Parenthood.

Good for her? I don't care. You asked if I liked her, I told you I didn't, because she's into eugenics and racism.

I don't recall actually advocating the death of anyone. Making sure different races breed to improve society doesn't actually kill anyone now does it? Shall you try again? I'll say it again. Note what a 'race' actually is. Your theory is broken. Forget all of the bigotry and infractions on rights. The theory doesn't work, even if the world agreed with you. You cannot 'breed out' races, because of what a 'race' is. Sure, you can breed out the existing races, but that has been done countless times before. Hell, entire species have been 'bred out'. What you will find is a new set of races, once the old are bred out. There isn't anything you can do, because variation of phenotypes is built into the very system of reproduction. It is why we reproduce (i.e. to diversify the species).

Why did she go to Japan to promote birth control then? And yes, teaching teenage girls about menstration, that's racist. I guess Rockefeller is racist too then, since he provided her funding. She educated anyone and everyone on birth control.

She didn't like the Japs, either.

She didn't like the Japs, either.
Why don't you go start a thread about it?

You don't seem to have any trouble starting threads, and it sure would be more polite than hijacking this one.

You know, selective response is the biggest hallmark of Trolling. When you simply ignore the posts that render your argument invalid, only to continue hammering the same line, you are trolling.

I'll say it again. Your theory is broken. You cannot blend the races away, because the races are not hard and fast objective things, they are arbitrary subjective categories based on ever diverse phenotypes. You literally cannot conquer that. There will always be 'races'. Look up the definition of what you are trying to 'fix'.

She didn't like the Japs, either.

So by that rationale she also didn't like the KKK, since she taught those women about birth control.

Why don't you go start a thread about it?

You don't seem to have any trouble starting threads, and it sure would be more polite than hijacking this one.

I was trying to compared the poster to Sanger.

Is that ok with you, or are you a moderator now?

to end racism completely we need to make it mandatory for races to reproduce with a race different from their own.


This is infinitely worse than racism. Everyone has a right to be racist and to breed with whomever they wish.

This is infinitely worse than racism. Everyone has a right to be racist and to breed with whomever they wish.

Agreed. Everyone has the right to be a racist. NO ONE has the right to tell you who you can't have children with.

It's like trying to do away with regional boundaries, the lines don't actually exist, people just set them.
It's like trying to do away with multiple languages, people will just start making new ones from dialects.
It's like trying to do away with days, the very system of solar orbit prevents it.

You cannot do it. It doesn't work. Right now I wish english had a word distinction between two uses of the word 'cannot' like chinese. There is 'cannot' as in circumstances don't permit (bukeyi), and there is 'cannot' as in it is literally impossible or beyond you capabilities (buhui).

BUHUI!

Do you get what I am saying?
BU. HUI.
CAN. NOT.
NOT. POSSIBLE.
THEORY. BROKEN.

You sir are what is ruining this country. Now im guessing if your white you probably lived in a middle class area and havnt had your family attacked and mugged by immigrants and then had how racisim is bad and "white devils" shoved down your throat 24/7.


Now all this dosn't make my beliefs since I believe in immigration in a controlled state. Now there are lots of facts and figures showing how towns with higher immigrant levels have more rape/murder/burglaries and the like so I'll leave that to you.

But forcing race mixing? They'll always be different cultures and making people be with people not of their choice because some people dislike other races?

I don't believe in deporting all or killing any ethnics but you sir are another story.

Is that ok with you, or are you a moderator now?
Now there's a thought. With my Modly powers I hereby command you to BEGONE! Mwa ha ha.

Seriously, though, chill. Bringing up Margaret Sanger is about three hairs' breadths from a Godwin foul. Your point is made. We done now?

I'll say it again. Note what a 'race' actually is. Your theory is broken. Forget all of the bigotry and infractions on rights. The theory doesn't work, even if the world agreed with you. You cannot 'breed out' races, because of what a 'race' is. Sure, you can breed out the existing races, but that has been done countless times before. Hell, entire species have been 'bred out'. What you will find is a new set of races, once the old are bred out. There isn't anything you can do, because variation of phenotypes is built into the very system of reproduction. It is why we reproduce (i.e. to diversify the species).

I am trying to change the outside of a person, no one can look underneath at your genome afterall and with some generations of enforced mixed racial breeding I'm sure that there will come a time when we shall all look the same, anything that isn't skin deep will be irrelavant after all.

And it seems to me that as this program takes effect and people will have to migrate to find mates it will spread culture around and to help break up the individual groups and beliefs and quicken the pace to a planetary culture instead of a racial or national one.

You sir are what is ruining this country. Now im guessing if your white you probably lived in a middle class area and havnt had your family attacked and mugged by immigrants and then had how racisim is bad and "white devils" shoved down your throat 24/7.


Now all this dosn't make my beliefs since I believe in immigration in a controlled state. Now there are lots of facts and figures showing how towns with higher immigrant levels have more rape/murder/burglaries and the like so I'll leave that to you.

But forcing race mixing? They'll always be different cultures and making people be with people not of their choice because some people dislike other races?

I don't believe in deporting all or killing any ethnics but you sir are another story.


Yes, but there are also a lot of facts and figures which explain that there are a slew of reasons why the crime rates in those areas are higher--and those reasons, such as lack of economic viability, could explain a lot more about why those crimes are happening rather than just using the "immigrants=crime" rationale.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your premise, just suggesting that in order to truly address the problem, the cause needs to be identified.

I am trying to change the outside of a person, no one can look underneath at your genome afterall and with some generations of enforced mixed racial breeding I'm sure that there will come a time when we shall all look the same, anything that isn't skin deep will be irrelavant after all. Note why I said 'phenotype' not 'genotype'. You are just simply patently wrong. Not bad, evil, or in disagreement; just patently incorrect. Listen again:

A race is just an arbitrary label placed upon a set of phenotypes. Phenotypes are always diverse, as enforced by the dominant/recessive gene system. Thus if you were to perfectly blend all current races, then there would just be 'new races' based upon new differences in phenotypes. You can't beat this. The human species is made to ensure that no matter how much inbreeding takes place, we will never have a situation wherein 'everybody looks the same'. It can't happen. Especially not by mixing the races. You can get limited success by killing all current perceived races but one, but then people will just make smaller racial categories with subtler differences (plus we will eventually evolve to be different in bigger ways again anyhow). Logic says no.

And it seems to me that as this program takes effect and people will have to migrate to find mates it will spread culture around and to help break up the individual groups and beliefs and quicken the pace to a planetary culture instead of a racial or national one. As noted above, it does not matter. Look up the definition of 'race'.

Now there's a thought. With my Modly powers I hereby command you to BEGONE! Mwa ha ha.

Seriously, though, chill. Bringing up Margaret Sanger is about three hairs' breadths from a Godwin foul. Your point is made. We done now?

Yes, but I love that hair's breadth...

Here are some definitions since some do no know how to look them up:

The genotype of an organism represents its exact genetic makeup, that is, the particular set of genes it possesses.

The phenotype of an organism, on the other hand, represents its actual physical properties, such as height, weight, hair color, and so on.


Not only is it impossible to create one "race", but it's also fascist to force people to do things they don't want to do. This is totally founded on intolerance.

Now the global aspect really scares me. Global government is probably the worst because those who are in charge have absolute power over the world.

Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely

You might think what you are doing is noble, but it isn't. What is advocated here is akin to Nazism and other purists.

I have one way of countering this B.S.: We are all part of the human race, no other race. We may have different colored skin, but we are all the same race.

Nazis wanted to kill all other "impure" races. (Infringing on right to life.)
You want to make all races interbreed. (Infringing on right to choose your sexual partner.)

Here is some evidence that this that you advocate will never work:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/mixedtwins.asp

Since you talk about mixing culture I will say this: IO like my culture and I will keep it. I'm not saying that I don't like other cultures or am intolerant, but I am not going to change my culture.

What you advocate is Nazism without the death camps.

Even without getting into all the details of why your plan isn't going to work, there's one obvious one.
It's such an egregious breach of civil rights that it's never going to be widely accepted. You're never going to get widespread support for forced breeding, forced partners, forced sterilizations, etc.