NationStates Jolt Archive


Gordo's Great Idea! Register All The Terrorists! Sign Up Here Before You Go Go!! GO!!

Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 19:44
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070708/tpl-uk-britain-security-81f3b62.html

Brown wants global terror register
Reuters
By Jeremy Lovell Reuters - Sunday, July 8 12:41 pm

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Sunday he wanted a central register of known or suspected terrorists so that information could be shared internationally.

He spoke as his new Security Minister Admiral Alan West warned the defeat of militant radicalism could take up to 15 years, and urged people to become informers.

"If there is information in one country about the potential recruitment or the actual recruitment of someone to a terrorist group then that should be information that is flowing to other countries," Brown told Sky News.

Britain remains on its second highest alert level more than a week after two failed car bomb attacks in central London's theatre and nightclub district and two men smashed a car into the main terminal at Scotland's busy Glasgow airport and set it ablaze.

The attacks came days after Brown took over as prime minister from Tony Blair and were seen in some quarters as a direct challenge to his authority.

They also happened within hours of West taking up his new post as the country faces what security sources said is a proliferation of plots against it.

"This is not a quick thing. I believe it will take 10 to 15 years," West told the Sunday Telegraph newspaper. "But I believe it can be done as long as we as a nation apply ourselves to it and it's done across the board."

He urged Britons who had knowledge or suspicion of terrorist activities to inform the authorities.

"Britishness does not normally involve snitching or talking about someone. I'm afraid, in this situation, anyone who's got any information should say something because the people we are talking about are trying to destroy our entire way of life," he said.

On Saturday Iraqi doctor Bilal Abdulla, 27, was charged with conspiracy to cause explosions in connection with the London and Glasgow attacks.

Abdulla was arrested at Glasgow airport immediately after the fire attack.

He spoke only to confirm his name and address and will remain in high security jail until his next court appearance at Old Bailey on July 27.

Abdulla is the only person charged so far over the suspected al Qaeda-linked plot in which eight Middle Eastern and Indian medics have been arrested, seven in Britain and one in Australia.

On Saturday police were granted an extra seven days to question five of the suspects who are being held in London.

Under security laws police have a maximum of 28 days that they can hold a suspect without charge.

Another suspect Kafeel Ahmed, 27, has been in hospital with 90 percent burns since the Glasgow attack -- witnesses say he set both himself and the crashed vehicle ablaze.

On Saturday survivors and relatives of victims of four suicide bombers on the London transport system that killed 52 commuters and injured hundreds more on July 7, 2005 held a quiet ceremony to mark the second anniversary of the attacks.

Well there you have it. Our Gordo is quite blatantly insane. I wonder how they will register a 'terrorist'? What criteria makes one a terrorist. Given previous fuck ups with mistaken identities to false accusations.

Now we have Brown who with the extreme imagination one would expect to fin din a dour Scotsman...he thinks up this bullshit.

I love the bolded part of the article....15 years 'eh? Idiot...the war was meant to be over by Christmas....
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 19:47
Well there you have it. Our Gordo is quite blatantly insane. I wonder how they will register a 'terrorist'? What criteria makes one a terrorist. Given previous fuck ups with mistaken identities to false accusations.

Now we have Brown who with the extreme imagination one would expect to fin din a dour Scotsman...he thinks up this bullshit.

I love the bolded part of the article....15 years 'eh? Idiot...the war was meant to be over by Christmas....

He isn't changing the criteria or introducing one. He's just collecting it centrally so that there is more efficient access to it

His Scottish upbringing is a problem for you?

And what exactly is wrong with the bolded part? It's a bit more realistic don't you think?
The Sadisco Room
08-07-2007, 19:47
Why is this such a bad idea? Terrorists have a tough job, you know. Maybe by registering they can finally get some benefits, like a decent dental plan.
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 19:49
He isn't changing the criteria or introducing one. He's just collecting it centrally so that there is more efficient access to it

His Scottish upbringing is a problem for you?

Not really no. However look at the way government collects and distributes information. Chalabi per chance?

Is what I think about the Scots in general or Gordo in particular a problem for you?
Hydesland
08-07-2007, 19:50
What is it with your wacky titles RB?
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 19:52
Not really no. However look at the way government collects and distributes information. Chalabi per chance?

Is what I think about the Scots in general or Gordo in particular a problem for you?

Generalisations about the Scots aren't something I would see as positive, no. Maybe its an arrogant English thing ;)

Chalabi?
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 19:52
What is it with your wacky titles RB?

It livens up a dreary day ;)
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 19:55
Generalisations about the Scots aren't something I would see as positive, no. Maybe its an arrogant English thing ;)

Chalabi?

So the generalisation that Scotland produces genius engineers is negative? Interesting take...

Arrogance? No no no....reality ;)

Chalabi...Ahmed Chalabi...a 'trusted' US intelligence asset who turned out to be a bank fraudster...amongst other things.
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 19:57
So the generalisation that Scotland produces genius engineers is negative? Interesting take...



A positive generalisation is still a generalisation which I find negative. Not to mention that dour and unimaginative isn't exactly a positive generalisation


Chalabi...Ahmed Chalabi...a 'trusted' US intelligence asset who turned out to be a bank fraudster...amongst other things.

I'm sorry you're going to have to explain to me how you are fitting this into this context
OuroborosCobra
08-07-2007, 20:02
The terrorists themselves aren't being asked to register, therefore your question of "how does someone register as a terrorist?" is irrelevant.

The main thing this seems to be is a program to pool the intelligence information various groups such as the CIA, FSB, MI-5, etc. are already taking. Pooling that information might even be a good idea.

The main part I don't like is his calling for people to be "informers". The last thing we need is people being paranoid of their neighbors and causing witch hunts with no actual evidence. It didn't work well when Americans were asked to be "informers" on whether their neighbors were communist sympathizers, and for good reason. I guess we never do learn from the Salem witch trials.

Too bad, I had a great great (insert more greats here) aunt killed in those witch trials, and all she was guilty of was being a nasty bitch.
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 20:10
A positive generalisation is still a generalisation which I find negative. Not to mention that dour and unimaginative isn't exactly a positive generalisation

I suspect its a great asset to have in a bank manager...



I'm sorry you're going to have to explain to me how you are fitting this into this context

Well how do you know the guy you think is a terrorist/intelligence asset really is one? Rely on people like Chalabi...??

He is looking for informers...great. How does that information get handled? It sure won't allow you legal protection under the Data Protection Act...

Remember the no fly lists and how ineffective and wrong they were?

This plan of his has more holes than a over ripe Jarlsberger...
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 20:12
The terrorists themselves aren't being asked to register, therefore your question of "how does someone register as a terrorist?" is irrelevant.

The main thing this seems to be is a program to pool the intelligence information various groups such as the CIA, FSB, MI-5, etc. are already taking. Pooling that information might even be a good idea.

The main part I don't like is his calling for people to be "informers". The last thing we need is people being paranoid of their neighbors and causing witch hunts with no actual evidence. It didn't work well when Americans were asked to be "informers" on whether their neighbors were communist sympathizers, and for good reason. I guess we never do learn from the Salem witch trials.

Too bad, I had a great great (insert more greats here) aunt killed in those witch trials, and all she was guilty of was being a nasty bitch.

Well it wasn't really a question...

You hit on the crux of the issue...informers...information from other intelligence agencies ... who checks the veracity of the data?

Nah....this is bollocks.
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 20:15
Well how do you know the guy you think is a terrorist/intelligence asset really is one? Rely on people like Chalabi...??

He is looking for informers...great. How does that information get handled? It sure won't allow you legal protection under the Data Protection Act...


How is the information from Crimestoppers used

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/

As for the bold, the information points you in the direction of suspected criminals so that there is an idea of who to investigate. A starting point if you will.
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 20:16
How is the information from Crimestoppers used

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/

As for the bold, the information points you in the direction of suspected criminals so that there is an idea of who to investigate. A starting point if you will.

Police work to the law.
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 20:17
Police work to the law.

And in this case?
Rubiconic Crossings
08-07-2007, 20:23
And in this case?

Its not the Police...
Dundee-Fienn
08-07-2007, 20:27
Its not the Police...

Where does it say that?
Johnny B Goode
08-07-2007, 20:33
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070708/tpl-uk-britain-security-81f3b62.html



Well there you have it. Our Gordo is quite blatantly insane. I wonder how they will register a 'terrorist'? What criteria makes one a terrorist. Given previous fuck ups with mistaken identities to false accusations.

Now we have Brown who with the extreme imagination one would expect to fin din a dour Scotsman...he thinks up this bullshit.

I love the bolded part of the article....15 years 'eh? Idiot...the war was meant to be over by Christmas....

They...are...paranoid. (Riff from Iron Man plays)
Newer Burmecia
08-07-2007, 20:39
I'm surprised that the police or MI5 don't already have one. All in all, I don't think it's particulary worth a Gordon-bash over. There's plenty of better material for that.