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The Washington Post reported this week on academics invited to the White House to discuss with him his legacy, including Sir Alistair Horne, author of a history of the Algerian revolt, which has parallels with Iraq. They, as well as former staffers and friends, spoke of his loneliness, his agonising over how history will portray him. Michael Conaway, a still loyal senator and long-time friend, said the president appeared to be worn down by the pressure and spoke of "a marked difference in his physical appearance".

Although never a social animal, he is reluctant to drop into Washington restaurants unannounced for dinner, as the Clintons did, in part because he is fearful of the public response. This week, in particular, because of the Libby decision, he has largely avoided public contact - his July 4 speech in West Virginia was invitation-only.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Fuck him.

It's his fault.

He could have traveled down a more prudent path, but he didn't, and now his presidency is in shambles.

Meh. Washington Post. The President is still a popular speaker, as we saw last election cycle. Boos are rare, given that most people who don't like him are at least polite. ;)

Meh. Washington Post. The President is still a popular speaker, as we saw last election cycle. Boos are rare, given that most people who don't like him are at least polite. ;)

Boos are rare because the audience is usually full of pre-approved supporters. He alienated most of his support from Democrats very early on and now he's finally managed to piss off or drive away most support from his own party. If Bush isn't feeling lonely now, it's because Rove has to stand close to him to whisper talking points in his ear.

This week, in particular, because of the Libby decision, he has largely avoided public contact - his July 4 speech in West Virginia was invitation-only.
How is that different than their speeches since the beginning of his damn presidency? He brought this shit on himself.

More and more, he is drawing the "prize" in Shirley Jackson's Lottery. May he be increasingly alone, to the point of complete solitude. May he live in a world as someone both paranoid and correct in his paranoid assumptions. I wish upon him a slower, more drawn-out version of Tessie Hutchingson's fate.

I treat common decency like a dish towel, and no one likes me. Me not understand.

I don't feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for all of the people who don't realize the threat that is facing the West. When the fanatical Muslims win the war against them, all of the left wing people in this country will truly understand oppression and violence. Maybe then when its too late will they be willing to fight and possibly die fighting the fanatical Muslims.

A lot of people hate Bush because of his policy in Iraq, I think he should explain better why we are still there. Here is a pretty good quote from him:

"There are some that feel like if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that is the case. There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on"

Why the hell would you leave a place your well-trained military is killing far more enemy than is killing you. The terrorists are going to Iraq to die, thats their goal in a lot of cases, why would you want them to go else where to die? I'm going to Iraq soon I'm going to do my part to support Bush as well as this war against fanatical Muslims.

I don't feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for all of the people who don't realize the threat that is facing the West. When the fanatical Muslims win the war against them, all of the left wing people in this country will truly understand oppression and violence. Maybe then when its too late will they be willing to fight and possibly die fighting the fanatical Muslims.

A lot of people hate Bush because of his policy in Iraq, I think he should explain better why we are still there. Here is a pretty good quote from him:

"There are some that feel like if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they are talking about if that is the case. There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on"

Why the hell would you leave a place your well-trained military is killing far more enemy than is killing you. The terrorists are going to Iraq to die, thats their goal in a lot of cases, why would you want them to go else where to die? I'm going to Iraq soon I'm going to do my part to support Bush as well as this war against fanatical Muslims.

The utter lack of ethics of this idea nonwithstanding, that would resemble a point if it weren't for the fact that Bush is creating more terrorists than he kills.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?
First off, you're amusing as a Muslim troll, so good work on that, and do your best to improve.

Second off, while I feel some general sympathy--the same I would towards anyone, regardless of who they are--I also recognize this is his own fault. He brought this on himself and must now face the consequences.

I don't feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for all of the people who don't realize the threat that is facing the West. When the fanatical Muslims win the war against them, all of the left wing people in this country will truly understand oppression and violence. Maybe then when its too late will they be willing to fight and possibly die fighting the fanatical Muslims.
lol

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not feel empathy for infidel oppressors much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

This post stirs mixed feelings within me. I don't know rather to laugh in amusement, or cry in pity.

What's an infidel to do?

First off, you're amusing as a Muslim troll, so good work on that, and do your best to improve.

He's a Muslim Minstrel Show. Short and to the point.

Second off, while I feel some general sympathy--the same I would towards anyone, regardless of who they are--I also recognize this is his own fault. He brought this on himself and must now face the consequences.

It's another case of Beloved Dear Leader trying to dodge the responsibility of his own fuckups.

He's a Muslim Minstrel Show. Short and to the point.


Yes, that's a much better set of words to use.

The utter lack of ethics of this idea nonwithstanding, that would resemble a point if it weren't for the fact that Bush is creating more terrorists than he kills.

I'm so sick of hearing that agrument. Give me some numbers on this. Where are the numbers on how many people hated the US before we invaded Iraq and after? Where are the numbers on how many people would carry out suicuide bombings against the US before and after the invasion of Iraq? Also why wouldn't bringing democracy to Iraq "create" more terrorists, the leaders of the fanatical Muslims are very smart, they make it seem like its a great thing to go and kill their self in Iraq so that the Iraqis can live under Shia law. Anything that the west does against these Muslims is going to create more terrorists. Should we just appese them? Let them take Iraq, then Europe? If we won't fight them, no one will. Liberals in the US won't fight for anything, they are the first to complain last to act, they would rather "talk" about doing something, talking with these Muslims doesn't work. They want to," return the world to Allah's rule" They aren't going to quit until we
1) let them

2) kill enough of them that they don't want to fight anymore

3) if you have any better ideas let me know??

if you have any better ideas let me know??

We could always work towards ending the conditions that create terrorists.

Nah. That's crazy talk.

He went and got born on my grandmother's birthday (celebrated 77 this year). I'll never forgive him for that.

All I have is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail.

Fixed.

Create conditions in the Middle-east for the culture to change without you being seen as evil invaders. Show the moderate elements among them that you are willing to work with them to crack down on terror AND to negotiate a decent deal with Israel. Help them politically and diplomatically and terrorism will cease to be seen as legitimate. Meanwhile, crack down on terror by treating it like England treated its own terror: Like the police issue that it is. It worked with England and their radicals. It will work with yours.

We could always work towards ending the conditions that create terrorists.

Nah. That's crazy talk.

Ending Islam? you said it not me.

Ending Islam? you said it not me.
I was thinking widespread poverty and repression.

Not all terrorists are Muslim.

Ending Islam? you said it not me.

So, if you were British a few years ago you'd be hoping to end Christianity, since the IRA were Christians, right? By all the gods, for your sake I hope you're a better shot than you are an arguer.

"To kill one person is as to kill everyone." (or something similar) -- the koran.

You can't connect Al Qaeda to Islam, as they have betrayed their own religion. Therefore I propose it be renamed Al Kafir, as it's much more accurate.

I dunno. I kind of feel bad for the guy; his policies aside, he's a sad old man who is in the twilight of his life and has apparently just now realized that the majority of the people in his country dislike him. How many people can actually say that? Maybe Hitler and Stalin, but say what you will about Bush he was never that bad.

Then again, it was his fault that all of this happened anyway. If he had only invaded Afghanistan and not Iraq the resulting fallout (Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, sectarian violence) might have been minimized. He wouldn't have gone down in history as the greatest president of all time but his approval ratings would have stayed high and he would be able to freakin' eat out at a Washington restaurant without being afraid.

I'd be his bridge over troubled water...


...if you know what I mean.

I was thinking widespread poverty and repression.

Not all terrorists are Muslim.

Look into who is behind the terrorism we face today. Were the ones who tried to bomb England last week poor or repressed? I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists but that poverty and repression aren't the only causes.

Look into who is behind the terrorism we face today. Were the ones who tried to bomb England last week poor or repressed? I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists but that poverty and repression aren't the only causes.

Look who is behind abortion clinic bombings today. Were the ones who tried to bomb the last abortion clinic poor or repressed?

So, if you were British a few years ago you'd be hoping to end Christianity, since the IRA were Christians, right? By all the gods, for your sake I hope you're a better shot than you are an arguer.

Although, you know that I didn't mean that, I was being an ass about another persons statement. The IRA didn't use religion as their primary reason for their terrorism. al-qaeda and like groups do. Yes it may not be the "correct" interpartation of the Koran, but many people seem to follow it. I'm not saying end Islam, but I am saying that the normal Muslims need to move against the radical ones, just like in the case of the abortion bombers, most people who are against abortion do not support bombing the clinics. Most non-radical people would speak out and get the people thrown in jail. The non-radical Muslims seem to have a problem doing this.

Fuck him.

I'd rather not, thanks. ;)

Although, you know that I didn't mean that, I was being an ass about another persons statement. The IRA didn't use religion as their primary reason for their terrorism. al-qaeda and like groups do. Yes it may not be the "correct" interpartation of the Koran, but many people seem to follow it. I'm not saying end Islam, but I am saying that the normal Muslims need to move against the radical ones, just like in the case of the abortion bombers, most people who are against abortion do not support bombing the clinics. Most non-radical people would speak out and get the people thrown in jail. The non-radical Muslims seem to have a problem doing this.


We need to move out against radicals? We condemn them, we don't act like them, we don't believe any of the crap they say, but that's not enough is it. I mean what the hell do people exactly want us to do? They want us to move against the radical ones? Haven't we already done that! It's not like we created them, why do you expect moderate muslims to do everything. You go in to countries, bomb them, make people hate you, then you tell us to fix it? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know hundreds of muslims (personally, and i've met so many more), and none of them, none of them are terrorists! And if someone was a terrorist, it's not like they would bring up a planned suicide anyway. I mean it's not exactly dinner table conversation. How are we supposed to know who's gone insane and is going to blow themselves up? And do we have to decry their actions every living moment of our lives? We've already said that their beliefs are not our beliefs, we have already said that the things these people do are wrong and horrible, what more do you want? Christians don't identify with the Crusaders of the past(at least i hope not), we don't identify with these people blowing themselves up and killing innocents. Why are we accountable for their actions? I guess when something bad happens, and you want to blame someone, instead of blaming the government for its actions, you decide to use muslims as your scapegoat. These people that think killing random people is right have been lied to, they have been used, it is not Islam that tells one to do this. It is all about politics and power, nothing else, and there are people that are willing to sacrifice the name of Islam for their own selfish goals, and these are the true terrorists. The people who preach this hate, this ignorance, all for their own gain(granted there are a couple lunatics who think that they are doing the right thing), they are the root of the problem, not your average muslim.

(Note: Rizzoinabox, this rant is not necessarily aimed at you, but at the people that are always saying that "moderate" muslims need to be more outspoken, and also to the people that blame Islam for everything, i mainly just used some of your quote as an example.)

The non-radical Muslims seem to have a problem doing this.

Not only that's a myth, as they DO speak out against violence (sites below), they have no obligation to speak out against violence just like the Pope had no obligation to speak out against the IRA. As the Germans don't have the obligation to weep every waking moment of their existence for what Hitler did. As you don't have to spend all your life crying out against what Lynndie England did. And on it goes.

As for the sites...

http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/home.html

http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad04.htm

http://muslimsforpeaceonline.com/

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

And that with 3 minutes of research.

Now find me four sites by soldiers condemning what Lynndie England did. Tell me how long it took.

The George Bush legacy?.... Well it won't be as bad as the Hitler one, but apart from that no guarantees.

When it comes to George Bush, all I can say is, "What was he thinking?"

(Note: Rizzoinabox, this rant is not necessarily aimed at you, but at the people that are always saying that "moderate" muslims need to be more outspoken, and also to the people that blame Islam for everything, i mainly just used some of your quote as an example.)

Please do aim it at him. Notice the creation date? July 2007?

Am I the only one who has this feeling New Mitanni or some other Brilliant Islamic Scholar decided to create a troll puppet just to rant about how evil all Muslims are?

When it comes to George Bush, all I can say is, "What was he thinking?"

George Bush... thinking? Gimme that good shit you're smoking!

The President is still a popular speaker

He can speak? :confused:

And Hitler was Austrian. It's not the German's fault, they didn't know any better. Their President has just died, Hitler was Chancellor, and the Kaiser had been gone for almost 20 years. They're weren't very many options.

Oh, and welcome to the 'Association of Countries with old leaders', Americans.

Please do aim it at him. Notice the creation date? July 2007?

Am I the only one who has this feeling New Mitanni or some other Brilliant Islamic Scholar decided to create a troll puppet just to rant about how evil all Muslims are?

You could be right, but i say let's not judge too quickly.

Please do aim it at him. Notice the creation date? July 2007?

Am I the only one who has this feeling New Mitanni or some other Brilliant Islamic Scholar decided to create a troll puppet just to rant about how evil all Muslims are?

Why would he bother doing that? He does enough of that as himself and would have no reason to hide it.

GWB's legacy? Just take those who ask to a market in Baghdad. Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.

Aww... Poor Mr Bush. :(
That's pretty sad. It almost makes me want to go to the White House and try to cheer him up...

But then I realise he's the biggest Presidential criminal since Nixon, and I figure one way or another he'll get what he deserves.

I expect that once he's out of the White House and if a Democrat gets in, that investigations will reveal the full extend of the criminal actions of his administration, I think it'll be much worst than Nixon.

I expect that once he's out of the White House and if a Democrat gets in, that investigations will reveal the full extend of the criminal actions of his administration, I think it'll be much worst than Nixon.

Don't hold your breath, though. I wouldn't be surpised if the Democrats did jack about investigations into Bush Co.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Probably not helping that Laura moved out and into a hotel weeks ago because he started drinking again, according to Washington gossip.

Probably not helping that Laura moved out and into a hotel weeks ago because he started drinking again, according to Washington gossip.

According to The Enquirer, maybe. ;) That one's been going around since 2000. :p

He can speak? :confused:



Well, you know what I mean. ;) He gets the words out, more or less.

According to The Enquirer, maybe. ;) That one's been going around since 2000. :p
Seeing how I can't exactly buy the Enquirer here, I never heard of it before - but in the last couple months or so I'm stumbling on it left and right on the internet...

Seeing how I can't exactly buy the Enquirer here, I never heard of it before - but in the last couple months or so I'm stumbling on it left and right on the internet...

It's been going around for a while, that's all. ;) Basically since Day 1. Not that that lends truth to it.

Awwww poor bush:(

Let's just take his presidency away, give him a big hug, say he did his best, put him in a nice place to live, and then put someone else as president to sort things out.

Fuck him.

4th'd.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Yup. I don't wish it on anyone

I'd be his bridge over troubled water...


...if you know what I mean.London Bridge?

When it comes to George Bush, all I can say is, "What was he thinking?"

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Well, you know what I mean. ;) He gets the words out, more or less.

His relationship to speech is analogous to, i suspect, Jerry Lewis' representation of socially and mentally challenged people on stage as well.
http://www.nndb.com/people/408/000022342/wg4-60.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

\Ever worse when you can't express how you feel in speech OR in text.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30649

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

No.

If he became president just to become part of history, and everything he does is towards that, he deserves absolutely no sympathy.

As someone once said "Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgment." :D

He's still nicer than any muslim leader so who cares.

He fails in any case.

He's still nicer than any muslim leader so who cares.


You left out the gun and sniper smilies there....

Well, he should relax and take the time to reflect on everything he's accomplished. You know, remind himself of all the plans and projects he put into place that bore sweet fruit. All the tasks he began and saw through to the end as President. Everything he's done to leave the country safer, more fiscally stable and stronger than ever.

For instance he....

...

...uh...


...

...hmm...

He put in a liitle league baseball diamond behind the white house.

:p

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Oh, almost forgot:

I'm So Ronery
I'm so ronery
So ronery
So ronery and sadry arone

There's no one
Just me onry
Sitting on my rittle throne
I work very hard and make up great prans
But nobody ristens, no one understands
Seems that no one takes me serirousry

And so I'm ronery
A little ronery
Poor rittre me

There's nobody
I can rerate to
Feer rike a bird in a cage
It's kinda sihry
But not rearry
Because it's fihring my body with rage

I work rearry hard to stay nice and fit
But none of the women seem to give a shit
When I rure the world maybe they'rr notice me
But untir then I'rr just be ronery
Rittre ronery, poor rittre me
I'm so ronery
I'm so ronery

:D

What's an infidel to do?

<3

What's an infidel to do?Do you know what's so completely fucked up?
Every joke i start off with ends up involving Bush ALREADY on the net.
I was gonna get a google pic of seppuku, and naturally, someone already doc'd it with Bush's face. *grr*
Obviously, i can't post it, but i can sure insinuate it a lot, being on the GOOGLE IMAGES under topic "seppuku" ...
article headline :
BUSH DECIDES ONLY HONORABLE WAY
OUT OF IRAQ WAR DEBACLE IS SUICIDE

I must be losing my touch.

Aww the poor silver spoon doesn't feel liked. BooHoo.

Aww the poor silver spoon doesn't feel liked. BooHoo.

*Morpheus* There is no spoon. :cool:

Hihi. He really did bring it upon himself with all of the stupid decisions he made.

As a human being, I do right now. And this makes me think a bit about our term system. He's locked in to serve as president for another year and a half, whether he does something or not. He could resign, but he'd risk forfeiting his generous pension. Perhaps we should amend the Constitution to allow for a more dignified resignation for mental health reasons. At least Prime Ministers, when they've had enough, can seriously fuck-up and loose their jobs that way. Bush can do nothing but wait. And I think he wants out. I personally fear what his mental health will be like once his term ends.

I personally fear what his mental health will be like once his term ends.

I hope he leaves his term insane.

I hope he leaves his term insane.

Can anyone dislike a politician this much personally, based mostly on his political actions? I mean, it's more than a 9-5 job, but that's exactly what it is: a job. Bush has far more dimensions that make him up as a person, dimensions we'll probably never know about, nor even should know about.

Bush gets more personal attacks than he really deserves. He has terrible policies, but I don't think he is really governed by Big Oil the way his father and his vice president are, he just has flawed ideals.

Can anyone dislike a politician this much personally, based mostly on his political actions? I mean, it's more than a 9-5 job, but that's exactly what it is: a job. Bush has far more dimensions that make him up as a person, dimensions we'll probably never know about, nor even should know about.

May the souls of every Iraqi he caused the death of haunt him if they so wish. The man is a mass-murderer. He pushed America back several years in several aspects. He deserves to pay with everything he has, especially his sanity.

Oh, almost forgot:

I'm So Ronery
I'm so ronery
So ronery
So ronery and sadry arone

There's no one
Just me onry
Sitting on my rittle throne
I work very hard and make up great prans
But nobody ristens, no one understands
Seems that no one takes me serirousry

And so I'm ronery
A little ronery
Poor rittre me

There's nobody
I can rerate to
Feer rike a bird in a cage
It's kinda sihry
But not rearry
Because it's fihring my body with rage

I work rearry hard to stay nice and fit
But none of the women seem to give a shit
When I rure the world maybe they'rr notice me
But untir then I'rr just be ronery
Rittre ronery, poor rittre me
I'm so ronery
I'm so ronery

:D

Well, it was sung by a Dear Leader.

:D :D :D

May the souls of every Iraqi he caused the death of haunt him if they so wish. The man is a mass-murderer. He pushed America back several years in several aspects. He deserves to pay with everything he has, especially his sanity.

If you wish. I just hope you come to realize how hard a job it is to be a politician. All sense of morality has to be bent, and compotency is regularly dispensed with. And the pay's shitty. Why? Because we need it. If anyone wants a moral leader, it can only be achieved with smothering despotism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?


Fuck him to hell, then for all eternity. Every little bit of pain he experiances brings me pleasure.

If you wish. I just hope you come to realize how hard a job it is to be a politician. All sense of morality has to be bent, and compotency is regularly dispensed with. And the pay's shitty. Why? Because we need it. If anyone wants a moral leader, it can only be achieved with smothering despotism.

I don't want the US to have a moral leader. One that's not a friggin' mass murderer will suffice!

Meh. Washington Post. The President is still a popular speaker, as we saw last election cycle. Boos are rare, given that most people who don't like him are at least polite. ;)

Or they're excluded entirely from the crowd and kept in a fenced ring 8 blocks away from the venue. At least now it's harder for them to find him crowds of moes who can stand his drivel. But you act as if he ever let anyone who would disagree with him anywhere near his speeches. They select the crowd and it sets the tone. It's like singing for your mother. It'd be hard to get her to boo you and wish you dead right?

I'm so sick of hearing that agrument. Give me some numbers on this. Where are the numbers on how many people hated the US before we invaded Iraq and after? Where are the numbers on how many people would carry out suicuide bombings against the US before and after the invasion of Iraq? Also why wouldn't bringing democracy to Iraq "create" more terrorists, the leaders of the fanatical Muslims are very smart, they make it seem like its a great thing to go and kill their self in Iraq so that the Iraqis can live under Shia law. Anything that the west does against these Muslims is going to create more terrorists. Should we just appese them? Let them take Iraq, then Europe? If we won't fight them, no one will. Liberals in the US won't fight for anything, they are the first to complain last to act, they would rather "talk" about doing something, talking with these Muslims doesn't work. They want to," return the world to Allah's rule" They aren't going to quit until we
1) let them

2) kill enough of them that they don't want to fight anymore

3) if you have any better ideas let me know??

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html

oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=838

www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/30/terror.report/index.html

www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?ex=1316750400&en=da252be85d1b39fa&ei=5088

There, you can be tired of the argument all you want but the statistics here are from Us Intelligence Agencies and House Oversight Committee data. These statistics show a correlation between the war in Iraq and the increase in terrorism worldwide every year since. It also shows how more terrorists are being created and such. Try this logic out for a second. You are an Iraqi man whose wife and kids were killed by a US raid on insurgents. You might want too blame the insurgents if you were an American but they're not going to see it that way. They see the Americans as the root cause of the bloodshed and the insurgency itself. Therefor you have created one more suicide bomber and holy warrior willing to kill the infidels of the west. He also enlists other men from his family who enlist others to kill the evil Americans. Have you ever made someone your friend by punching them in the face? If not then how the hell do you expect to make friends with bombs and bullets? Just think past myopic xenophobia for a second and you'll come to the conclusion that you are in error. Or you can just look at the stats.

I don't want the US to have a moral leader. One that's not a friggin' mass murderer will suffice!

A notorious womaniser, and patron of the arts, preferrably. Voted "Least likely to bomb..." in that yearbook the Amerikans do.....

I hope he leaves his term insane.

It's arguable that he was already one wave short of a shipwreck coming in.
*nods emphatically*
Could've been the coke, the binge drinking, social propriety ... and/or the fact that he's fucking genetic trash.

Bush has far more dimensions that make him up as a person, dimensions we'll probably never know about, nor even should know about.Uhm, are you talking about his dong or happy crevice(s)?
:eek:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120797,00.html

I normally try not to feel empathy for infidel oppressors, much less their hated elected representative, but after reading this article, I felt a little sorry for Mr. Bush. Everyone, even his republican base, seem to have turned against him.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Sympathize, sure. He was an average President trying to be a great President during a time when we needed a great President. Not an easy spot to be in.

Do I like his policies and his administration's approach to things in general? Not so much.

Do you at all sympathize with the president?

Lyric time!

You have set something in motion
Much greater than you've ever known
Standing there in all your grand naivety
About to reap what you have sown

Time will feed upon your weaknesses
And soon you'll lose the will to care
When you return to the place that you call home
We will be there
We will be there

- Nine Inch Nails: "My Violent Heart"

So, in answer to your question...no, I have no sympathy.

He deserves every bit of scorn he recieves for the rest of his natural life. I hope he never escapes. I hope hordes of protesters camp on his ranch for decades after he leaves office. I hope every car he drives is keyed, and every plane he flies on is delayed.

The man is going to regret many of his actions the moment he becomes a private citizen again. I doubt he'll ever have a moment's peace in public ever again.

Serves him right. :mad:

Lyric time!


:eek:
Mega - :fluffle:

I can't believe people think this guy is a cowboy. Cowboys don't get lonely! It's like crying in baseball.

I hope he dies.

I pity him. It's gotta really suck to be him right now. He may have brought it on himself, but we all make mistakes. His were just so egregious that they are nigh-impossible to forgive.

Maybe he could go out Mussolini style? Too dramatic?

so let's render him to gitmo where he'll have lots of company. a little plastic surgery to give him a more middle eastern looking face that no one will recognize and turn him over to military custody as a suspected terrorist!

this would SO fit the crime.

=^^=
.../\...

Maybe he could go out Mussolini style? Too dramatic?

Can they bake pretzel knots that strong?

But seriously, death would just bring a semblance of dignity back to him. He needs to be alive to be held with contempt and be held as a reminder to the countless sheep who voted for him twice.

Can you blame him for feeling lonely? he wakes up every morning knowning more than half the country he's in charge of hate his guts and thats not even then end of it.

Maybe he could go out Mussolini style? Too dramatic?

Well, while I don't think the people are ready to storm the white house and drag him out screaming then shortly after execute him in Times Square, but there are deffinately a lot of Americans who wouldn't cry if it happened....

Can you blame him for feeling lonely? he wakes up every morning knowning more than half the country he's in charge of hate his guts and thats not even then end of it.

Then there is the rest of the civilized world.

All Presidents age very quickly. It's sad to look at photos of him during the '00 election and then look at now. He's weary. Clinton was the same way. The Presidency is a rough job.

Bush, however, brought this amount of crap on himself.

Sympathize, sure. He was an average President trying to be a great President during a time when we needed a great President. Not an easy spot to be in.

Why the hell did we need a "great" president anymore now than any other time in history?

Seeing as we're in lyric mode.....
You self-righteous fuck
Give me a reason not to rip your fucking face off
Why don't you take a good look in these eyes
Cause I'm the one that's gonna tear your fucking heart out
My hate is contagious; you've got no one to run to

EXILE

Just tell me fucking why everything becomes an issue
Your opinion is always senseless - fuck this
You make my fucking skin crawl
I've lived with it - can't stand anymore
My worst nightmare
I want to take a bullet in the fucking head
Every time I think of you, every time I think of you

You self-righteous fuck
Give me a reason not to rip your fucking face off
Why don't you take a good look in these eyes
Cause I'm the one that's gonna tear your fucking heart out
My hate is contagious
Anyone else need to vent?
You've tried my tolerance; I just want you to die

There's nothing more for me to say
There's nothing more for you to say
There's nothing more for us to say
I fucking hate you anyway
EXILE

Can't count the ways that you light my fuckin fuse
I can't tolerate the sight of you, the thought of you or
anything about you
You know what I want to see?
How many ways can a loser fucking lose
I know you'll find a way
The humility awakening the idiot inside
You spineless fucking maggot - you're just wasting my time
Get out of my face - Get out of my life
Out of my fucking way - Just die

Why the hell did we need a "great" president anymore now than any other time in history?

9/11 comes to mind.

9/11 comes to mind.

9/11 really isn't that big of a deal in the big picture and pails in comparison to many other crises the US has faced.

Why the hell did we need a "great" president anymore now than any other time in history?

Strangely enough, he handled the whole Afghanistan thing passably well (as I presume thats what he referred to). Showed some patience, got international consensus (or as much as is possible) and did the nessecary. Rather unfortunately it was this relatively smooth effort that seems to have acted as his sprinboard into the cesspit.

9/11 really isn't that big of a deal in the big picture and pails in comparison to many other crises the US has faced.

Well, if you're a true Republican, Al Gore would have surrendered minute after 9/11.

It shaped foreign policy for decades.

I don't want the US to have a moral leader. One that's not a friggin' mass murderer will suffice!

I'm sorry, sir, but Bush, nor anyone else in his administration, is not a mass-murderer. You can believe otherwise, or wish that he burns in hell eternally, but you'd be laughed out of a courtroom if you were actually serious. And I bet you're not. I bet you're just being inflammatory because you have anonymity.

I'm sorry, sir, but Bush, nor anyone else in his administration, is not a mass-murderer. You can believe otherwise, or wish that he burns in hell eternally, but you'd be laughed out of a courtroom if you were actually serious. And I bet you're not. I bet you're just being inflammatory because you have anonymity.

Dear Leader might not be a mass murderer on par with Idi Amin, but nobody can deny he's an incompetent executive who has managed to cause numerous deaths and hardship through outright idiocy, neglect and fraud.

Dear Leader might not be a mass murderer on par with Idi Amin, but nobody can deny he's an incompetent executive who has managed to cause numerous deaths and hardship through outright idiocy, neglect and fraud.

What he said.

Dear Leader might not be a mass murderer on par with Idi Amin, but nobody can deny he's an incompetent executive who has managed to cause numerous deaths and hardship through outright idiocy, neglect and fraud.

That's not the same as "murder", however. And don't you find Idi Amin slightly lovable? I mean, really, he resembled a giant teddy bear. I guess it was that he was so damn unstable all the time. Oh well.

Al Gore would have surrendered minute after 9/11.
To who?

To who?


I'm assuming Osama?

I'm sorry, sir, but Bush, nor anyone else in his administration, is not a mass-murderer. You can believe otherwise, or wish that he burns in hell eternally, but you'd be laughed out of a courtroom if you were actually serious. And I bet you're not. I bet you're just being inflammatory because you have anonymity.

Oh great, another Shrub supporter.:rolleyes:

Oh great, another Shrub supporter.:rolleyes:

So... you have evidence that GWB is a mass murderer?

No, Iraq doesn't count, as he isn't directly responsible for the chaos there. I have no love for Bush, he's an incompetent moron, but I agree with Prumpa- hardly a mass murderer.

To who?

Why should I know the specifics of Republican ideas?

Oh great, another Shrub supporter.:rolleyes:

No. I just hate how we sometimes abuse politicians, and how people can be so damn fickle.

No. I just hate how we sometimes abuse politicians, and how people can be so damn fickle.

After everything Bush has done since entering office you think people who don't like him are being "fickle"?

No, Iraq doesn't count, as he isn't directly responsible for the chaos there

Someone once said something about a buck stopping somewhere...

Someone once said something about a buck stopping somewhere...

Ronald Reagen. "The buck stops here, if I remember where I put it."

After everything Bush has done since entering office you think people who don't like him are being "fickle"?

Not necessarily. I think that of everyone, but Bush is a great example of what I mean. Particularly in the Iraq war. Some of its strongest supporters have turned into its harshest opponets. The same is true with Afghanistan. Of course, this isn't just limited to Bush, or even politicians in general.

Not necessarily. I think that of everyone, but Bush is a great example of what I mean. Particularly in the Iraq war. Some of its strongest supporters have turned into its harshest opponets. The same is true with Afghanistan. Of course, this isn't just limited to Bush, or even politicians in general.

And you don't think that this has something to do with the fact that the main justification for going to war in iraq has turned out to be untrue, and the main target in afghanistan has eluded us for over 5 years, and the very system we ousted is still there?

And you don't think that this has something to do with the fact that the main justification for going to war in iraq has turned out to be untrue, and the main target in afghanistan has eluded us for over 5 years, and the very system we ousted is still there?

With those specifics, it was clear to me that those weren't the primary objectives.

With those specifics, it was clear to me that those weren't the primary objectives.

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Shit.

With those specifics, it was clear to me that those weren't the primary objectives.

WMDs wasn't the primary objective of Iraq?

Catching Osama and permanently dismantling the Taliban wasn't the primary objective of Afghanistan?

It's arguable that he was already one wave short of a shipwreck coming in.
*nods emphatically*
Could've been the coke, the binge drinking, social propriety ... and/or the fact that he's fucking genetic trash.

Good point, I hope he leaves his term insaneR.

I can't believe people think this guy is a cowboy. Cowboys don't get lonely! It's like crying in baseball.

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/archives/2crying_tokai_boy.jpg
http://www.tomchalk.com/images/party.caricatures/bush.jpg

Bramble : 1
"cowboy" : 0
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Pretzel : 1
"cowboy" : 0
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Closed Door : 1
"cowboy" : 0
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Erm ... some kind of pattern here ...

Why should I know the specifics of Republican ideas?

Didn't you get the talking points memo?

http://uneasysilence.com/wp-content/tpsreport.jpg

Good point, I hope he leaves his term insaneR.

At least Baudelaire had something to offer when he was in his "capture the moths of thought" phase.

Bush never even had that much talent.

Well, if you're a true Republican, Al Gore would have surrendered minute after 9/11.And if you're Bush, you would've surrendered your last year of service in the National Guard to work in an Alabama congressman's office cuz you couldn't make two flight physicals for some relatively undisclosed reason.
And when the towers were hit, you would've stared off into space for 9 minutes or so (the plot was a little complicated in the book you were enveloped in anyways) and then been rushed off to hide for a little while, and then get on a plane and remain out of communication for another several hours.
And if that weren't enough, come time for election, you would've publicly defiled other peoples' relatively honourable service with pieces of garbage like the "Swift Boat Veterans" efforts.
And not get your pipsqueak fucking head tore off while chiding someone else's POW experience onstage.

That's not the same as "murder", however.
Good point. Bush is too much of a coward. He has others do it for him while he works on his golf drive.

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/1999/08/07/death/index.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6430662587672005071&q=Bush+golf+terrorists&total=22&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1