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Snape

Evil Turnips
08-07-2007, 01:43
That's right, its two weeks 'till release, and I'm already putting my fanboy hat firmly on.

So, I assume that most literate members of Western Civilisation have read the sixth book, and the question is, is Snape friend or foe?

I think he's a friend. The build-up to him being an enemy has been so large that I can't imagine JK giving up the chance of a major character change, however, I could see Harry going after him regardless of his sidings. Then again, JK might have realised we'd have guessed she'd make a character change and then decided not to.

What're your thoughts?
New Manvir
08-07-2007, 01:44
Friend...just cuz...It's a feeling
Ambrose-Douglas
08-07-2007, 01:44
Foe... bastard is a double-crossing double-crosser, mark my words.
Neo Undelia
08-07-2007, 01:46
Friend. Him actually turning out to be evil wouldn't be cliche enough for Rowling.
Evil Turnips
08-07-2007, 01:47
Also, I wonder if Dumbledore really is gone forever. I'd wager a no.
Greater Trostia
08-07-2007, 01:47
He may be a friend, sorta, but if so he has to redeem himself, possibly by dying, possibly at Harry's hand (or wand). And then in his dying breath he can confess to how he's loved Harry all those years.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-07-2007, 01:50
I haven't read any of them, but I heard that Harry Potter dies. Poor little fella. :( But then he's brought back to life after sex with a horse, or something. Kids books were so much simpler in my day.
Nihelm
08-07-2007, 01:51
Friend. In the last book he had a chance to kill harry while being chased, but instead seems to use the chance to try and give harry pointers in defending himself.
The Infinite Dunes
08-07-2007, 01:51
I don't care. I just like Snape as a character.

He's in it for himself. I'll imagine he'll have somepart in saving the day, but also in Harry's death. Something like that.
Wilgrove
08-07-2007, 01:51
I haven't read any of them, but I heard that Harry Potter dies. Poor little fella. :( But then he's brought back to life after sex with a horse, or something. Kids books were so much simpler in my day.

I don't think sex with a horse would bring him back to life. In one case it killed a guy.
Bostongrad
08-07-2007, 01:53
I don't think sex with a horse would bring him back to life. In one case it killed a guy.

Damn it, you beat me to it!
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-07-2007, 01:53
I don't think sex with a horse would bring him back to life. In one case it killed a guy.

I think it's a magic horse, or maybe a mare. In any event, it's magic - I know that much. ;)
New Manvir
08-07-2007, 01:57
I think it's a magic horse, or maybe a mare. In any event, it's magic - I know that much. ;)

I think you're thinking of a unicorn?
The Infinite Dunes
08-07-2007, 02:01
I think it's a magic horse, or maybe a mare. In any event, it's magic - I know that much. ;)
Why do people make such a fuss over Equus?
British Londinium
08-07-2007, 02:01
Foe; my greatest hope is that Snape murders Harry with that killing curse or by beating Harry to death with the corpses of Ron and Hermione.
Evil Turnips
08-07-2007, 02:01
I think you're thinking of a unicorn?

I think thats how Voldemort came back in the 2nd book...

And it explains why Hagrids always so jolly.
New Manvir
08-07-2007, 02:04
I think thats how Voldemort came back in the 2nd book...

And it explains why Hagrids always so jolly.

sooo.....a guy who's dad was raped by some giantess spends his free time raping unicorns? That's gonna warp many fragile little minds...
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-07-2007, 02:04
I think you're thinking of a unicorn?

Could be. Like I was saying, I haven't really followed the series. I liked that old actor who died, and was thinking about renting it once, but then I forgot about it.
Strawberry Pancake
08-07-2007, 02:48
I think thats how Voldemort came back in the 2nd book...

And it explains why Hagrids always so jolly.

No, he was fused with Quirrell in the first, who drank the unicorn blood to keep Voldy "alive" or whatever, and then Harry killed Quirrell and in the second book Voldy came back through his horcrux/diary.

And :eek:

Anyway, I think Snape is evil, there's been so many hints to it in the first six books. However if he's not an enemy, then he's in it for himself, like Wormtail. Wormtail betrayed James and Lily to save his own life, and Snape betrayed the Order to save his own, since few Death Eaters (and possibly Voldy himself) don't trust Snape, and few in the Order do. I think durign the first Voldy attack he just joined up because he hated his Muggle father like Voldy hated his dad, and wanted revenge, and does not really know Voldy's true motives (the horcruxes, rather than killing Muggles) or if he does know now, then he didn't when he was a real Death Eater. However he was caught and was outed as a Death Eater, so Dumbledore vouched for Sanpe, his former student (who was apparently very intelligent and did well in school, even if he was a bit of an outcast). Snape told him the sob story of how "he didn't kow it was going to be Lily and James and their son Harry" (:rolleyes:... well, actualyl he proabbly didn't), and Dumbledore believed him. Voldy makes repeated attempts to come back., and Snape does not appear to be helping the Order, or rather, just appears to be very nasty to Harry, who is trying to figure out how to stop Voldy from trying to kill him. So while Snape loathes Harry, he doesn't really want him dead, since James did save Snape's life. So Snape's jsut hanging out at Hogwarts and keeping his head down and taking points from Gryffindor for no reason, until Voldy comes back. Dumbledore, thinking Snape has really turned good, tells him to be a double agent for Voldy. So Snape does that and in the 6th book tells Bellatrix why he didn't kill harry or try to help Voldy, which sounds to me like he is saving his own life. Then Snape kills Dumbledore. I find it odd that throughout the series everyone was like "snape is teh ebil!" but when he KILLS DUMBLEDORE everyone is like "Snape is teh good!" :rolleyes:


... I could be completely rambling here. Sorry.
Isselmere
08-07-2007, 02:53
Friend. Too obvious an enemy and he never bothered to kill Harry even when he had an easy chance.
Kyronea
08-07-2007, 03:16
Frankly, I don't care. I just want to see a final end to all speculation on Harry Potter for good.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 03:17
Friend.

Hagrid saw Snape and Dumbledore arguing over something -- probably Snape told Dumbledore about his unbreakable oath to protect Draco, and Dumbledore told him to do WHATEVER he needed to.

Snape has PROTECTED Harry, Hermione and Ron from harm in every book. No doubt he despises Harry because of what James put him through, but he HAS saved the kids when all else was lost -- why?

Snape's last words to Harry were a lesson too -- learn to cast silently so no one can counter you!

Why do people make such a fuss over Equus?

Cos Daniel Radcliffe was nekkid in it.
Kryozerkia
08-07-2007, 03:32
Snape wouldn't turn purposely on Dumbledore.

If you recall the chapter where Snape uses Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore; Dumbledore wasn't telling him not to kill him. His pleading WAS for Snape to go ahead and kill him. It was to protect Draco who would have otherwise been punished if he failed to carry out Voldemort's orders.

Snape likely didn't want to but was respecting Dumbledore's last request. He is in debt to Dumbledore who forgave him even after becoming a Death Eater.
Alhollia
08-07-2007, 03:37
No, he was fused with Quirrell in the first, who drank the unicorn blood to keep Voldy "alive" or whatever, and then Harry killed Quirrell and in the second book Voldy came back through his horcrux/diary.

And :eek:

Anyway, I think Snape is evil, there's been so many hints to it in the first six books. However if he's not an enemy, then he's in it for himself, like Wormtail. Wormtail betrayed James and Lily to save his own life, and Snape betrayed the Order to save his own, since few Death Eaters (and possibly Voldy himself) don't trust Snape, and few in the Order do. I think durign the first Voldy attack he just joined up because he hated his Muggle father like Voldy hated his dad, and wanted revenge, and does not really know Voldy's true motives (the horcruxes, rather than killing Muggles) or if he does know now, then he didn't when he was a real Death Eater. However he was caught and was outed as a Death Eater, so Dumbledore vouched for Sanpe, his former student (who was apparently very intelligent and did well in school, even if he was a bit of an outcast). Snape told him the sob story of how "he didn't kow it was going to be Lily and James and their son Harry" (:rolleyes:... well, actualyl he proabbly didn't), and Dumbledore believed him. Voldy makes repeated attempts to come back., and Snape does not appear to be helping the Order, or rather, just appears to be very nasty to Harry, who is trying to figure out how to stop Voldy from trying to kill him. So while Snape loathes Harry, he doesn't really want him dead, since James did save Snape's life. So Snape's jsut hanging out at Hogwarts and keeping his head down and taking points from Gryffindor for no reason, until Voldy comes back. Dumbledore, thinking Snape has really turned good, tells him to be a double agent for Voldy. So Snape does that and in the 6th book tells Bellatrix why he didn't kill harry or try to help Voldy, which sounds to me like he is saving his own life. Then Snape kills Dumbledore. I find it odd that throughout the series everyone was like "snape is teh ebil!" but when he KILLS DUMBLEDORE everyone is like "Snape is teh good!" :rolleyes:


... I could be completely rambling here. Sorry.

:rolleyes: dumbledore wouldnt trust snape if there wasnt a reason. more than likely snape only pretended to kill dumbledore to throw off voldemort, or something of that nature that is far more complex than anybody could predict because JK Rowlings is way into that convoluted crap. but all in all snape is probably going to turn out being good after betraying voldemort, after betraying dumbledore, after betraying voldemort, after betraying dumbledore.....and so on...or something:confused:
Port Arcana
08-07-2007, 03:40
Snape is evil.
Darknovae
08-07-2007, 05:24
Snape is evil.

I think he's trying to save himself, like Wormtail.
Der Fuhrer Dyszel
08-07-2007, 05:45
Food for thought:

When has Dumbledore ever been wrong in the entire series? Nadda once. Snape is a friend still.....we just have not seen how and of course he would appear like an enemy, that is the point of irony.

:D


Plus, the author is not a sadistic pig like other authors, of course Snape is going to end up being good.....otherwise, it is sheer cruelness and sadism with which she does not write with. It would be uncharacteristic of her....or maybe that is what she wants us to think.

*gasp*
IDF
08-07-2007, 05:48
He'll become a friend and redeem himself. I guarantee he will die in the process though.
IDF
08-07-2007, 05:55
Dumbledore is really dead. I do believe he let Snape kill him. Dumbledore was in debt to Snape for saving his life after the ring incident. By dying and sparing Snape a death from the unbreakable vow, he repaid the debt.
Zayun
08-07-2007, 06:09
Snape is a friend, if Dumbledore has faith in Snape, so do I.
GBrooks
08-07-2007, 06:10
Friend. I believe in the happy ending.
Neo Undelia
08-07-2007, 06:14
I believe in the happy ending.
Just remember, it usually costs extra.
GBrooks
08-07-2007, 06:15
Only if you get popcorn.
Neo Undelia
08-07-2007, 06:16
Only if you get popcorn.
Massage parlors don't usually sell popcorn.
Layarteb
08-07-2007, 06:24
This is probably one of JKs best kept secrets but I'm going with foe that snivelling little waste! Urgh! I hate Snape!
Maineiacs
08-07-2007, 06:27
Snape's an asshole, but not actually evil.
Hamberry
08-07-2007, 06:34
For those who are really curious:
Spoiler Alert (White Text) In the fifth book, Sirius dies. Snape, however, acts normal, In Book #6, Snape kills Dumbledore. I kid you not.
Well, I did say it was a spoiler.
Lacadaemon
08-07-2007, 06:38
For those who are really curious:
Spoiler Alert (White Text)


Well, I was going to rush right out and buy them all and read them, but now....
Hamberry
08-07-2007, 06:56
Well #7 comes out in two weeks, I'll be picking it up when it comes out.
Entropic Creation
08-07-2007, 08:05
I thought it was blatantly obvious what happened with the whole Snape/Dumbledore thing. The foreshadowing has only been beaten to death and back again.

She made it so damned obvious a child is supposed to be able to figure it out.

Here is a hint... what is Dumbledore's familiar?
Andaras Prime
08-07-2007, 08:23
My question is, why is Snape, Malfoy and his father like exactly the same, as in personality, they all seem in the movies like the same arrogant pomp fragile-ego type.
Cameroi
08-07-2007, 11:51
what the hell is snape?

schnapple i've heard of. and snipe hunting. is this some form of entertainment that combines the two?

=^^=
.../\...
Darknovae
08-07-2007, 12:10
My question is, why is Snape, Malfoy and his father like exactly the same, as in personality, they all seem in the movies like the same arrogant pomp fragile-ego type.

Becuase they're wizard elitists? Meh, I don't know so much about Snape, but Malfoy and Daddy Malfoy are definitely like that because they're rich and they're wizards and they're 100% Slytherin goodness. Snape however was bullied in school, and has had a lot to deal with (keeping his butt out of Azkaban, for one), and has had considerable stress... or he's just a douche. I don't see Snape and the Malfoys having similar personalities though, the only similarity I noticed was that most Slytherins are just douches.
Swilatia
08-07-2007, 12:25
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/care-o-meter.gif

And this applies to anything related to harry potter.
Neo Undelia
08-07-2007, 12:37
Here is a hint... what is Dumbledore's familiar?
Never actually thought about it that way, but then I don't spend much time thinking about Harry Potter.

Nice, though.
Darknovae
08-07-2007, 12:40
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/care-o-meter.gif

And this applies to anything related to harry potter.

If you don't care, why even post?
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:42
Friend.

That's about the only thing I'm a hundred percent sure with the upcoming book...

And of course he'll die sacrificing himself for the good cause, most probably to directly protect Harry from Voldemort.
HC Eredivisie
08-07-2007, 12:44
If you don't care, why even post?To get the postcount up.

I regret clicking on this thread.:(
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:47
To get the postcount up.

I regret clicking on this thread.:(

But why? You could post after me, isn't that enough of a reward? :D

Edit: And now you're actually sandwiched between two of my post.... So, please, no more complaints.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:48
I thought it was blatantly obvious what happened with the whole Snape/Dumbledore thing. The foreshadowing has only been beaten to death and back again.

She made it so damned obvious a child is supposed to be able to figure it out.

Here is a hint... what is Dumbledore's familiar?

:confused:

Isn't there a vital part missing in that sentence?
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 12:48
Wouldn't Snape killing Dumbledore knowing he would come back mean that he had broken that unbreakable bond thingy with Malfoys mum and would die anyway?
HC Eredivisie
08-07-2007, 12:49
But why? You could post after me, isn't that enough of a reward? :D

Edit: And now you're actually sandwiched between two of my post.... So, please, no more complaints.
Hmm, Sandwiched between WYTYG and WYTYG:):fluffle:

I didn't realised it was about HP, until it was too late.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 12:49
:confused:

Isn't there a vital part missing in that sentence?

No, his familiar was/is a Phoenix.
United Beleriand
08-07-2007, 12:53
No, his familiar was/is a Phoenix.Phoenix? With real Phoenicians?
Swilatia
08-07-2007, 12:53
what the hell is snape?

schnapple i've heard of. and snipe hunting. is this some form of entertainment that combines the two?

=^^=
.../\...

It's character from a really terrible book called "harry potter" Well, okay, it's really 7 books.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:55
No, his familiar was/is a Phoenix.
Holy cow, I had looked it up in the bestest English-German online dictionary there is and they only had "familiar" the adjective, hence my post.

Did have to look it up again somewhere else now to find this:
3. familiar - a spirit (usually in animal form) that acts as an assistant to a witch or wizard

I had no idea it could be a noun, too. :p
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 12:56
Phoenix? With real Phoenicians?

Exactly.

Didn't you know that many Texan towns periodically burst into flames before being reborn without their glorious plummage?
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:56
Exactly.

Didn't you know that many Texan towns periodically burst into flames before being reborn without their gloriuos plummage?
That explains so much. Except of course Phoenix being in Arizona, but eh.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 12:57
Holy cow, I had looked it up in the bestest English-German online dictionary there is and they only had "familiar" the adjective, hence my post.

Did have to look it up again somewhere else now to find this:


I had no idea it could be a noun, too. :p


Ahh, the wonders of the English language where everything can mean pretty much anything.

I really pity people who learn it as a second language.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 12:58
That explains so much. Except of course Phoenix being in Arizona, but eh.

God dammit!

Eh, it's Sunday and I'm at work.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
08-07-2007, 12:59
God dammit!

Eh, it's Sunday and I'm at work.

Let's just blame it on the wonders of American geography where everything can be pretty much anywhere, shall we?
Swilatia
08-07-2007, 12:59
If you don't care, why even post?
To show that I don't care. Why else?
United Beleriand
08-07-2007, 13:00
Ahh, the wonders of the English language where everything can mean pretty much anything.

I really pity people who learn it as a second language.As if those who learn it as a first language are always better.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 13:02
As if those who learn it as a first language are always better.

:confused:
Agolthia
08-07-2007, 13:06
:confused:

I think he's trying to make it out like you are racist and that you think people who speak english are better. I have no idea why.
United Beleriand
08-07-2007, 13:06
:confused:You know, I know some Americans who need to have explained the meaning of some English words, especially when they are of Latin origin and these folks have no clue what they originally mean.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 13:08
Let's just blame it on the wonders of American geography where everything can be pretty much anywhere, shall we?

It's OK, I don't really believe Arizona exsists anyway. It's not like I've ever seen it :D
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 13:09
You know, I know some Americans who need to have explained the meaning of some English words, especially when they are of Latin origin and these folks have no clue what they originally mean.

Still not getting what that has to do with me saying I feel sorry for people trying to learn such a screwed up language.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 13:41
My question is, why is Snape, Malfoy and his father like exactly the same, as in personality, they all seem in the movies like the same arrogant pomp fragile-ego type.

For the same reason all the Gryffindors are courageous, chivalrous and bold, and all the Hufflepuffs are just, loyal and work hard, and all the Ravenclaws are intelligent, knowledgable and witty: because the sorting hat puts you into the house you most belong to. Slytherins are cunning, ambitious and resourceful -- not a combination that encourages one to play well with others.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/care-o-meter.gif

And this applies to anything related to harry potter.

Then why bother posting that tired old spam in yet another thread.
Give it a rest.

:confused:

Isn't there a vital part missing in that sentence?

Nope. Familiar is a noun in this case, as in "witches' familiar."

Wouldn't Snape killing Dumbledore knowing he would come back mean that he had broken that unbreakable bond thingy with Malfoys mum and would die anyway?

Who says Snape knew Dumbledore would return?

Let's just blame it on the wonders of American geography where everything can be pretty much anywhere, shall we?

Especially in The Simpsons' Movie's trailer. :D
United Beleriand
08-07-2007, 14:14
Still not getting what that has to do with me saying I feel sorry for people trying to learn such a screwed up language.You only referred to those learning it as a second language, although those who try to learn it as a first language do not necessarily perform any better.
Kryozerkia
08-07-2007, 14:32
Here is a hint... what is Dumbledore's familiar?

Ah of course. It was too obvious for it to be a logical explanation. I think she made it like that on purpose to mislead us rather than to give us a hint or two. Sometimes authors will make something so obvious that they lead the reader away from it rather than closer to.

Good observation on your part. I do have to agree that it was VERY obvious.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 16:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4 :D
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 16:42
Who says Snape knew Dumbledore would return?


Would that matter though? He still would have failed to carry out the terms of the bond, he didn't help Malfoy kill Dumbledore as he would stilll be alive.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 16:49
Hmm, but a magical geas usually is based on the INTENT of the person under it. If Snapes was 100% convinced that he had, in fact, killed Dumbledore -- the spell may have been satisfied. After all -- as far as we know, Snape is still alive.

If Dumbledore were dead, even for an instant, then the parameters of the spell should have been satisfied.

And who says Dumbledore's alive, anyhow? Harry's been steadily losing people important to, and closer and closer to himself. Dumbledore was another father to Harry... the sacrifice and loss he's had to bear may make him strong enough to beat Voldemort in the end.

Dumbledore told him waaaaaay back in Philosopher's Stone/Sorceror's Stone that love had protected him from Voldemort -- the one thing Voldemort had never had and could never understand. People who've loved Harry have laid down their lives for him repeatedly -- and this "armor" might be the key to it all.
RLI Rides Again
08-07-2007, 16:58
I think Snape's still a good guy for one simple reason: if he turned out to be evil, then this would show that Dumbledore really was foolish to believe and forgive him. Since the importance of love and forgiveness has been a central theme in the previous books, I don't think Rowling's going to undermine it in the final one. The fact that the only insult which makes him lose control is 'coward' is also a clue that he's still working against Voldemort.
Maineiacs
08-07-2007, 17:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4 :D

You've got a sick sense of humor, Kat. :D
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 17:05
Sorceror's. Philosopher's is FMA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher's_Stone

Same book, different markets. Sorceror's for the US, Philosopher's for UK.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 17:06
Sorceror's. Philosopher's is FMA.

FMA?
Minaris
08-07-2007, 17:07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher's_Stone

Same book, different markets. Sorceror's for the US, Philosopher's for UK.

Oh, OK. Didn't know. Sorry about that then.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 17:08
You've got a sick sense of humor, Kat. :D

Careful, that little ditty is addictive.
Minaris
08-07-2007, 17:08
FMA?

Nevermind, I didn't know the book had two different names.
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 17:12
Nevermind, I didn't know the book had two different names.

I'm still curious though. Acronyms always fascinate me.
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 17:13
I'm still curious though. Acronyms always fascinate me.

I must confess a certain curiousity too. Share? Please? :)
Minaris
08-07-2007, 17:18
I must confess a certain curiousity too. Share? Please? :)

I would, but we can't get off-topic here. Look for a link below. :)

Wiki site (the http:// is removed so it can be white too): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist

This is just normal white text here. no secrets.



Though it does point to something else being here
Steely Glint
08-07-2007, 17:20
I have a telegram box, y'know.

White text.

I'm really disappointed, I was hoping for some new internet meme to get irritated by.
Minaris
08-07-2007, 17:21
I have a telegram box, y'know.

Ctrl+A is your friend
Katganistan
08-07-2007, 17:24
Thanks. That explains everything... sorta.... kinda... mostly.... lol not much for manga or anime am I.....
Minaris
08-07-2007, 17:27
Thanks. That explains everything... sorta.... kinda... mostly.... lol not much for manga or anime am I.....

Especially since most of it's on after midnight. lol

No problem. Now, back to Harry Potter stuff?
The Alma Mater
08-07-2007, 17:32
Nevermind, I didn't know the book had two different names.

The reason for the titlechange is also somewhat insulting: the american publisher thought US children would not have sufficient general knowledge to get the philosophers stone reference.
The Alma Mater
08-07-2007, 17:36
What're your thoughts?

Potter rips Voldemorts mask off and it turns out to have been mister Weasly all along.
And he would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids !
Andaluciae
08-07-2007, 18:15
I see a Vader-esque redemption and death sequence at the end of the book, perhaps shortly after Voldemort finishes off Potter, once and for all. But that's the only way Snape will ever be a friend, ever again.

...

...did I just compare Harry Potter to Star Wars? Oh, God. I'm a nerd.
Egg and chips
08-07-2007, 18:20
Snape? Good.

McGonagall? That bitch is EVIL. Deatjh eater for SURE.
The blessed Chris
08-07-2007, 23:02
Snape is the only good thing to have come out of the Harry Potter books. Unlike everything else she does, Rowling has written him impeccably, and Rickman plays him equally well.

My bet is still that Snape tries to kill Voldemort and take power himself, then gets shanked by Harry.
Heikoku
09-07-2007, 00:46
Snape's last words to Harry were a lesson too -- learn to cast silently so no one can counter you!

Which is the exact point of Snape's specialty - poison and alchemy. The figure of the unperceived evil (or good as it may be), and so on. If Rowling is a good author, she will leave Snape's alignment to the readers' imaginations. The whole POINT of the character is that nobody knows where he stands. It would be a shame to end that trend now. Snape comes across as someone whose past dictates his every action - He hates Harry for what his father did, he owes Harry for what his father did. He owes Dumbledore for forgiving him, he owes Voldemort for his oath. Snape is utterly indebted to his past. He will do whatever his past tells him to - and if he is given two contradictory orders, he will follow both. Snape does that - he owes. He owes favors and he owes revenge. He does his best to repay his debts - good and bad. So, the situation here is: Snape got tormented by Harry's father, thus he torments Harry. Snape got his life saved by Harry's father, Snape saves Harry's life. He doesn't act, he reacts. He repays favors and he repays slights. A deeper character analysis would probably show a mind with regaining "fairness" as its main goal. Snape seems to yearn for a time in which he had no debts - good or bad.
Katganistan
09-07-2007, 01:26
Maybe the defense of Harry is more because Lily tried to be kind to him, then? I wouldn't be surprised if under it all he had, at least briefly, feelings for her -- it seemed everyone who met her liked her. It would make sense that he rebuffed her then -- being embarrassed in front of someone he thought he might like.
Heikoku
09-07-2007, 01:53
Maybe the defense of Harry is more because Lily tried to be kind to him, then? I wouldn't be surprised if under it all he had, at least briefly, feelings for her -- it seemed everyone who met her liked her. It would make sense that he rebuffed her then -- being embarrassed in front of someone he thought he might like.

Nah. Snape's mind - assuming I'm right - would likely demand a minor act of kindness towards Harry. Indeed, now that I think of it, Snape's name could be an anagram of "Penas" - We know Rowling has some knowledge of Portuguese (she was married to a Portuguese man and Salazar Slitherin's name is a... the opposite of menage... to António de Oliveira Salazar, the former Portuguese dictator), so let me enlighten you here - "Pena", in Portuguese, is Feather, Pity or, and this is what I'm looking for in this case, "penalty". Severus - severe. Severe Penalties in the plural (penaS), the name of the character that owes and repays - in kind, always in kind - his past. It's conceivable.
Kyronea
09-07-2007, 03:51
Nah. Snape's mind - assuming I'm right - would likely demand a minor act of kindness towards Harry. Indeed, now that I think of it, Snape's name could be an anagram of "Penas" - We know Rowling has some knowledge of Portuguese (she was married to a Portuguese man and Salazar Slitherin's name is a... the opposite of menage... to António de Oliveira Salazar, the former Portuguese dictator), so let me enlighten you here - "Pena", in Portuguese, is Feather, Pity or, and this is what I'm looking for in this case, "penalty". Severus - severe. Severe Penalties in the plural (penaS), the name of the character that owes and repays - in kind, always in kind - his past. It's conceivable.

If that's true, it proves Rowling has some more smarts to her--name wise, at least--then might otherwise be inferred from her writing.

Of course, I always thought Snape was basically Snake with a P instead of a K...but if anything that would work in a double meaning with what you've already come up with. Severus Penas wouldn't work too well as a name, but Snape does, and it has the added neatness of being close to snake, as another subtle hint towards his character.
Heikoku
09-07-2007, 04:33
If that's true, it proves Rowling has some more smarts to her--name wise, at least--then might otherwise be inferred from her writing.

Of course, I always thought Snape was basically Snake with a P instead of a K...but if anything that would work in a double meaning with what you've already come up with. Severus Penas wouldn't work too well as a name, but Snape does, and it has the added neatness of being close to snake, as another subtle hint towards his character.

Just a theory. It MIGHT be a decent one.
Strumpetia
09-07-2007, 04:45
I personally believe that Snape will turn out a friend...and somehow I think Dumbledore will return. It will be a Chronicles of Narnia: Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe-esque return, or something. Aslan being sacrificed on the altar and returning later makes me think of Dumbledore's situation. >.>;;
Kyronea
09-07-2007, 04:59
Just a theory.

:headbang:

JUST! A! HYPOTHESIS! :headbang:

Sorry.

In any case, we might never know short of asking Rowling herself. I would like for her to respond to this hypothesis some day...just to see, mind.

Strumpetia: Aslan returned because he was Lion Jesus. Dumbledore is not a Jesus-analogue.
Soleichunn
09-07-2007, 09:27
Sorceror's. Philosopher's is FMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher's_Stone

Same book, different markets. Sorceror's for the US, Philosopher's for UK.

EDIT: Picture was massive, here is a link - VG Cats comic that features Harry Potter and Edward Elric (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=168)

EDIT 2: Also a 1/2 size version -
http://i15.tinypic.com/4mv5yfq.gif

Strumpetia: Aslan returned because he was Lion Jesus. Dumbledore is not a Jesus-analogue.

[New Battlestar Galactica reference]Gaius Baltar on the other hand...[/New Battlestar Galactica reference]

Now to my opinion: I would prefer it if Snape was a third party, either trying to ruin the power of both the death eaters and the order of the phoenix or just trying to take out the leaders of the two groups.