NationStates Jolt Archive

(Scroll down to the end and read the conclusion if you are one of the lazy and stupid humans that ruin this planet. Thanks for proving my point.)

It has come to my attention that the human race is malignant pestilent disease upon this smoggy earth: its destructive capabilities are constantly improving; when they are not obliterating all forms of life they do not approve of, they are actively denying any wrongdoing; then they organize a few small charity groups and the like and claim to be "good citizens." And when humans tire of destroying the world around them, they fall to slaughtering one another. They build ridiculously complex and expensive, not to mention worthless, monuments to their own stupidity, and then loot them recklessly.

When those who have acquired more material wealth than is normal are done cheating all those below them, they engage in ferocious infighting and backstabbing. Selling out friends and allies for more useless wealth, they are too blinded by their own greed and paranoia of losing their wealth to see what they have become. Instead, they commission wars, causing deaths and conflict for hundreds of years to come in order to further their despicable ends.

In the meantime, the proletariats, the poor, the downtrodden. What of them? In the past, their attempts to rise up were either quashed brutally, or in their own victory, failed; they became the mirror-image of what they had fought against. A somewhat intelligent human named Lord Hutton said the popular quote "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Of course he knew all about such things: he was a rich and powerful Lord. Nowadays, the working class, the "bourgeoisie" and those with little to no material wealth are too caught up in their mindless entertainment to bother trying. They have become complacent and stupid; those that still seek knowledge and betterment are scorned and ostracized. In the modernized rich countries, smart people are uncommon; intelligent people a rarity; and wise people are practically a nonentity.

Note that by "smart" I mean the typical smart kid in human school. The type that does gets "straight A's," so to speak. Intelligent is a cut above smart. Intelligent people can better understand what the world is like, what events around them mean. Smart people are complacent in their smartness; intelligent people strive to understand and learn more. As for wise, only a few in all the history of humanity can not only exercise intellect, but can apply it to the world around them, and from that, come up with their own original, realistic, and logical ideas and philosophies. Wise people, and even intelligent ones are not always right-leave that to the smart ones-yet even when they are wrong or when they fail, they do so in a manner that earns them respect. Or at least would if the majority of humanity were not made up of fools.

Getting back to the worthlessness of those below the upper class of humanity. Most of these people end up in materially poor countries, which are exploited to no end by the materially rich; they occasionally attempt to change this, but as has been said before, the leaders they bring to power are soon corrupted, if they are not corrupted to begin with. It seems that humans are so weak, they cannot even control themselves when put in positions of responsibility.

CONCLUSION:

I could go on about the crimes of humanity, but to list them all properly would take decades more time than we have. For the crimes they have committed to themselves, to their fellow humans, and to the earth itself, I propose a complete elimination of the human race, no less. While this may seem overly harsh, I see it as a boon to all those non-humans on the planet earth who are suffering in their mindless wreckage.

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.


NOTE BEFORE RESPONDING: This is not an essay on why humanity blows, it is more a statement, albeit a long one. The purpose of this is not to pick it apart, gloating over any small mistakes found; nor is it to point out how "geez, not all people are like that!" The statement is an old piece I wrote and found lying around and decided to put to use. Yes, it is rather unkind to humans; if I have offended you, my apologies.

Yes, I know there are good people in the world, but think. On the whole, looking at our history, our present, and our future, do you think the earth would be better served if we all simply dropped dead? Does all of humanity deserve to drop dead (this is all or nothing people. No killing off those you dislike), or do our positives outweigh the negatives. Do we deserve a second chance? If given a second chance, could we really make use of it?

what? are you like the aliens are something?

:confused:

At least, it seems to me, you thought everything through.
I like the statement, it looks honest.

*skips to the end*

Kind of arrogant to assume that we aren't part of the natural life cycle of Earth.

Welcome to the real world.

Unfortunaly, if you were unlucky enough to have a chirstian or ethical upbringing, you´re already way behind those that are sadistic and amoral son of bitches.

*skips to the end*

Kind of arrogant to assume that we aren't part of the natural life cycle of Earth.

Not a bad point, but then could it not also be argued that by eliminating humanity, the earth is fulfilling that cycle?

Not a bad point, but then could it not also be argued that by eliminating humanity, the earth is fulfilling that cycle?

That's up to Earth. *nod*

CONCLUSION:

I could go on about the crimes of humanity, but to list them all properly would take decades more time than we have. For the crimes they have committed to themselves, to their fellow humans, and to the earth itself, I propose a complete elimination of the human race, no less. While this may seem overly harsh, I see it as a boon to all those non-humans on the planet earth who are suffering in their mindless wreckage.

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.


NOTE BEFORE RESPONDING: This is not an essay on why humanity blows, it is more a statement, albeit a long one. The purpose of this is not to pick it apart, gloating over any small mistakes found; nor is it to point out how "geez, not all people are like that!" The statement is an old piece I wrote and found lying around and decided to put to use. Yes, it is rather unkind to humans; if I have offended you, my apologies.

Yes, I know there are good people in the world, but think. On the whole, looking at our history, our present, and our future, do you think the earth would be better served if we all simply dropped dead? Does all of humanity deserve to drop dead (this is all or nothing people. No killing off those you dislike), or do our positives outweigh the negatives. Do we deserve a second chance? If given a second chance, could we really make use of it?

Maybe it's the constant whining, complaining and protesting about evil that actually causes it. (definition of evil in this case: stuff that you think is bad)

Try being compassionate maybe? Seems to work.

Take your Propaganda elsewhere, COMMIE! :D

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.

Grow up, you sad, sad child.

STUFF ABOUT HUMANITY DYING OFF OR SOMETHING

If humans are gone, who will be here to reap the benefits? Who (and by "who", I mean "which sapient entity/entities") will gain?

Your perspective is flawed and fails to take into account how humanity has evolved. We are doing no more than any other species would on this planet: we are establishing territory, gathering food, reproducing, and surviving. We are simply able to out-do every other species at these tasks because we have the intelligence to adapt on the fly, to create machinery and other technologies to go around our obstacles. Sure, we're pretty destructive, but do not under ANY circumstances even BEGIN to believe any other species would act differently given the same set of circumstances.

Nivalc: No, he's one of the Elves with Elcryss tree out in Oregon. They're waiting for the Great Wars to hurry up and go already so they can have their own part of the Four Lands.

If humans are gone, who will be here to reap the benefits? Who (and by "who", I mean "which sapient entity/entities") will gain?

All the earth?

And to Fassigen: Yes, it does seem rather childish. It was written many years ago and for a...slightly less mature audience. The only part that is meant to be taken seriously is the part at the end.

All the earth?

And to Fassigen: Yes, it does seem rather childish. It was written many years ago and for a...slightly less mature audience. The only part that is meant to be taken seriously is the part at the end.

Not what. Who. There's a BIG difference.

You know, this thread reminds me of this quote.

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

It fits in with this thread.

You know, this thread reminds me of this quote.



It fits in with this thread.

Too bad that that quote's not true.

That type of farming, where the farmers cycle around the land giving the used up lands time to recover, so they can be used again, is a good example

With humanity gone, there'd be no more tacos. :(

What bullshit.

'nuff said

What, are you some sort of alien? Or a communist? Or what?

Too bad that that quote's not true.

That type of farming, where the farmers cycle around the land giving the used up lands time to recover, so they can be used again, is a good example

Leaving fields fallow?

Fuck Earth. Humans are smart enough to expand once we've consumed it (which we ultimately will, no matter how frugal we are).

(Scroll down to the end and read the conclusion if you are one of the lazy and stupid humans that ruin this planet. Thanks for proving my point.)
Well, isn't that arrogant and narcissistic.
It has come to my attention that the human race is malignant pestilent disease upon this smoggy earth: its destructive capabilities are constantly improving; when they are not obliterating all forms of life they do not approve of, they are actively denying any wrongdoing; then they organize a few small charity groups and the like and claim to be "good citizens." And when humans tire of destroying the world around them, they fall to slaughtering one another. They build ridiculously complex and expensive, not to mention worthless, monuments to their own stupidity, and then loot them recklessly.Then I take it you're not human?
When those who have acquired more material wealth than is normal are done cheating all those below them,Or when they have worked their asses off to acquire their wealth...
they engage in ferocious infighting and backstabbing.Right. Because there's not a need for, oh, I don't know, more than one of any type of business anywhere.
Selling out friends and allies for more useless wealth, they are too blinded by their own greed and paranoia of losing their wealth to see what they have become. Instead, they commission wars, causing deaths and conflict for hundreds of years to come in order to further their despicable ends. Just by opening up a pizza joint? My, my. I had no idea that business owners were that dangerous.
In the meantime, the proletariats, the poor, the downtrodden. What of them?Oh I don't know, there's public education, welfare, workfare, food stamps -- all designed to make sure people have a roof over their head, food to eat, the opportunity to better themselves, and proper medicine. Unless that's "less than their natural share of wealth?"
In the past, their attempts to rise up were either quashed brutally,You mean when they steal or loot or mug people? or in their own victory, failed; they became the mirror-image of what they had fought against.Or maybe they wanted something without actually working for it like the rest of us poor slobs?
A somewhat intelligent human named Lord Hutton said the popular quote "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Of course he knew all about such things: he was a rich and powerful Lord.And that has what to do with his philosophy?
Nowadays, the working class, the "bourgeoisie" and those with little to no material wealth are too caught up in their mindless entertainment to bother trying.Or perhaps because they have better things, like putting food on the table, to worry about.
They have become complacent and stupid;As opposed to having quite the superiority complex?
those that still seek knowledge and betterment are scorned and ostracized.Odd; I've two degrees in education and I've not been ostracized. Curious.
In the modernized rich countries, smart people are uncommon; intelligent people a rarity; and wise people are practically a nonentity.But someone here obviously has all the answers -- which we've heard repeatedly, and which somehow never manage to work on any kind of large scale.
Note that by "smart" I mean the typical smart kid in human school. The type that does gets "straight A's," so to speak. Intelligent is a cut above smart. Intelligent people can better understand what the world is like, what events around them mean. Smart people are complacent in their smartness; intelligent people strive to understand and learn more. As for wise, only a few in all the history of humanity can not only exercise intellect, but can apply it to the world around them, and from that, come up with their own original, realistic, and logical ideas and philosophies. Wise people, and even intelligent ones are not always right-leave that to the smart ones-yet even when they are wrong or when they fail, they do so in a manner that earns them respect. Or at least would if the majority of humanity were not made up of fools.In your opinion.
Getting back to the worthlessness of those below the upper class of humanity.So the poor are worthless? Intrinsically of no value? My. my.
Most of these people end up in materially poor countries,So, people are BORN worthless, you mean? Or are the worthless just shipped off to poor places?
which are exploited to no end by the materially rich; they occasionally attempt to change this, but as has been said before, the leaders they bring to power are soon corrupted, if they are not corrupted to begin with. It seems that humans are so weak, they cannot even control themselves when put in positions of responsibility.Ah, so the unfortunate, according to your argument, are unable to rule themselves.

CONCLUSION:

I could go on about the crimes of humanity,More?
but to list them all properly would take decades more time than we have. For the crimes they have committed to themselves, to their fellow humans, and to the earth itself, I propose a complete elimination of the human race, no less. While this may seem overly harsh, I see it as a boon to all those non-humans on the planet earth who are suffering in their mindless wreckage.Uh-huh.

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life. Perhaps because we inferior humans at least know that role-playing belongs in the NationStates or International Incidents forums.


NOTE BEFORE RESPONDING: This is not an essay on why humanity blows, it is more a statement, albeit a long one. The purpose of this is not to pick it apart, gloating over any small mistakes found; nor is it to point out how "geez, not all people are like that!" The statement is an old piece I wrote and found lying around and decided to put to use. Yes, it is rather unkind to humans; if I have offended you, my apologies.No apology necessary, except perhaps to the Marxists, socialists, and anarchists whose ideas were recycled here.

Yes, I know there are good people in the world, but think. On the whole, looking at our history, our present, and our future, do you think the earth would be better served if we all simply dropped dead? Does all of humanity deserve to drop dead (this is all or nothing people. No killing off those you dislike), or do our positives outweigh the negatives. Do we deserve a second chance? If given a second chance, could we really make use of it?Not all of us are nihilists, you know.

Fuck Earth. Humans are smart enough to expand once we've consumed it (which we ultimately will, no matter how frugal we are).

Not if *laughs frantically* alternative energy actually becomes efficient.

Sigh. Look, Katganistan. The point of my post was not so that you could pick it apart (as I said, there really isn't much challenge in that; I could do it myself easily), but to consider whether or not humanity deserves a chance. I am not a nihilist, as you seem to think I am, but merely someone wanting opinions. It never hurts to look at things from a different perspective.

Presentation has a lot to do with the response you get. And this is also a debate/discussion forum, so it would seem that "picking apart" your post is indeed part of what we do here.

Your whole post seems to be about humanity being worthless, stupid, greedy, and deserving of destruction. My entire post was about that perspective -- and each of the points -- being flawed -- ergo, humans don't deserve a 'second chance', they deserve the chance they're working on.

Frankly, until some Arbitariliy Advanced Alien Space Bats come along, the issue of whether or not humanity deserves a second chance is irrelevant. We are the dominant species, and we don't actually seem to be likely to completely wipe ourselves out any time soon.

Presentation has a lot to do with the response you get. And this is also a debate/discussion forum, so it would seem that "picking apart" your post is indeed part of what we do here.

Your whole post seems to be about humanity being worthless, stupid, greedy, and deserving of destruction. My entire post was about that perspective -- and each of the points -- being flawed -- ergo, humans don't deserve a 'second chance', they deserve the chance they're working on.

Not exactly. While you gave your thoughts on why the post was wrong, you didn't actually hit on the main points. You did not try and argue that humans are worth preserving, but rather that my statement was flawed. While I certainly do not deny that, it does seem that at the rate we are "progressing," we will be gone or at least set back thousands of years in a century or two.

What does the Earth care? It's a rock floating through space that just so happens to have carbon-based lifeforms living on it. The entire problem is that you feel humanity is aberrant to the rest of nature. How can you prove this? You vaguely allude to certain examples of human brutality, but when a man kills another man in order to increase his own wealth, is that really different from a bear killing another bear to increase the size of his territory and therefore increase the amount of possible mates? The fact of the matter is that humans seem more brutal because of scale, not because there's any evidence that we actually are.

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.

I, for one, welcome our new cephalopoidian overlords.

Not exactly. While you gave your thoughts on why the post was wrong, you didn't actually hit on the main points. You did not try and argue that humans are worth preserving, but rather that my statement was flawed. While I certainly do not deny that, it does seem that at the rate we are "progressing," we will be gone or at least set back thousands of years in a century or two.

Well, if you could not infer what I meant from my problems with your post:

On the whole, looking at our history, our present, and our future, do you think the earth would be better served if we all simply dropped dead?
No. We evolved on earth, we're part of its life cycle. We may go extinct like millions of other species, we may not, but it's not "better" or "worse" for earth if we do. It existed before us and will exist after us.
Does all of humanity deserve to drop dead (this is all or nothing people. No killing off those you dislike), or do our positives outweigh the negatives.
Who decides who deserves to live or die? Gandalf the Grey: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."I say that humanity should be free to run its course -- mistakes and all. We don't slaughter children for making mistakes, fighting, stealing, do we? We try to teach them to be better people.
Do we deserve a second chance? If given a second chance, could we really make use of it? Already answered.

What does the Earth care? It's a rock floating through space that just so happens to have carbon-based lifeforms living on it.

Personification.

The entire problem is that you feel humanity is aberrant to the rest of nature.
How can you prove this? You vaguely allude to certain examples of human brutality, but when a man kills another man in order to increase his own wealth, is that really different from a bear killing another bear to increase the size of his territory and therefore increase the amount of possible mates? The fact of the matter is that humans seem more brutal because of scale, not because there's any evidence that we actually are.

The bear is fighting for survival. The difference between the man and the bear is that many such men fight not just for survival, but for luxury and wealth.

Funny, most people I know are too busy struggling to put food on the table, clothes on their families' backs, and a roof over the head to worry about "luxury and wealth".

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.

What while it is Cricket Season how uncivilised

The bear is fighting for survival. The difference between the man and the bear is that many such men fight not just for survival, but for luxury and wealth.

No, the bear in that example is fighting for increased territory and access to more mates. The bear's idea of luxury and wealth. Are we so terrible for having a different idea of luxury and wealth?

Well, if you could not infer what I meant from my problems with your post:

It wasn't too hard to figure out...

No. We evolved on earth, we're part of its life cycle. We may go extinct like millions of other species, we may not, but it's not "better" or "worse" for earth if we do. It existed before us and will exist after us.

Perhaps using the earth was a bad idea. What about all the other life forms here?

Who decides who deserves to live or die? I say that humanity should be free to run its course -- mistakes and all. We don't slaughter children for making mistakes, fighting, stealing, do we? We try to teach them to be better people.


As I said, it would be all or nothing. There is no choosing, either all people die, or nothing happens. Yes, you can try and teach children to be better, but does it work? Look around at humanity today. A few countries do well enough, but the vast majority have nothing compared to them. This is about more than just petty fights and theft. This is about how we treat other humans, to say nothing of other species.

EDIT: No, the bear in that example is fighting for increased territory and access to more mates. The bear's idea of luxury and wealth. Are we so terrible for having a different idea of luxury and wealth?

More mates equals a higher chance of the bear's gene being passed down. That in itself is a form of survival.

More mates equals a higher chance of the bear's gene being passed down. That in itself is a form of survival.

And humanity has done many many things to further our ability to survive and seek out mates. We just haven't done it in the same way as the bears and other creatures.

If humans are gone, who will be here to reap the benefits? Who (and by "who", I mean "which sapient entity/entities") will gain?

perhaps another species will rise to take our place as the dominant sentient species on the planet. i thin kthere was somthin on the disovery channel about that... heres somthing
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg19225731.100
its very long, but interesting

Well shit us humans have pissed off our Martian neighbours....

But anyway humanity is part of the natural life cycle whether you like it or not. We all come from nature and sooner or later we return to it, the circle of life if you will. Passing judgement on saying a whole species should die is as bad as the statement you give where humanity has caused other animals to go extinct. Humanity may not be perfect but the majority of us try to do the decent thing.

You know, this thread reminds me of this quote.

*SNIP QUOTE*

It fits in with this thread.

I almost thought it was some kind of roleplay post that was accidentaly placed here for a second.

I, for one, welcome our new cephalopoidian overlords.

You aren't a hentai fan are you?

COLLABORATOR! :eek:

You aren't a hentai fan are you?

COLLABORATOR! :eek:

What kind of idiot do ya think I am? I watch real porn. :mad:

It keeps going until it stops if it ever does. All we can do, and all we do do is what we think is right at any given moment.

Just remember what is right this moment, then look at what you did. Why? Why was what you did the right thing, what is really the right thing, what matters to you?

There are lots of 'good' humans. So it isn't humanity that is tainted, it is individuals you don't understand, or don't understand themselves.

M.Y.O.B.

What kind of idiot do ya think I am? I watch real porn. :mad:

Hehehe...

As for Cephalopods, I would prefer an Octopus species to rule though I wonder if a Squid species would try to oust them and take over....

The bear is fighting for survival. The difference between the man and the bear is that many such men fight not just for survival, but for luxury and wealth.

Wealth increases the chance for survival, luxury is an ancillary benefit to success, not a great evil. In any case, how is your response an argument? What about when territory between animals of the same species is adequate in facilitating survival yet there is still clash?

I thought I should add that we are always welcome to collaborate to make a better world, it is just a question of common vision. That's politics.. we can't do anything more than communicate and act within our power and reason and morality.

Hehehe...

As for Cephalopods, I would prefer an Octopus species to rule though I wonder if a Squid species would try to oust them and take over....

That was a Cthulhu reference. I guess you didn't get it.

Not if *laughs frantically* alternative energy actually becomes efficient.

Don't be daft, there's only a limited amount of energy one planet can provide. We must expand, no matter how efficient our technologies are. Nothing can be 100% efficient, and even 1% efficiency builds up over millenia. Earth will eventually run dry - it's just a matter of whether or not we choose to scrounge every joule of energy and live in energistic poverty, or expand and dominate our solar system and beyond to meet our energy needs. There is fucking LOADS of unused matter out there that we could adapt for our needs.

Don't be daft, there's only a limited amount of energy one planet can provide. We must expand, no matter how efficient our technologies are. Nothing can be 100% efficient, and even 1% efficiency builds up over millenia. Earth will eventually run dry - it's just a matter of whether or not we choose to scrounge every joule of energy and live in energistic poverty, or expand and dominate our solar system and beyond to meet our energy needs. There is fucking LOADS of unused matter out there that we could adapt for our needs.

I like the cut of your jib.

That was a Cthulhu reference. I guess you didn't get it.

I didn't get a Cthulhu reference!

The Deep Ones aren't going to let me live this down...

Earth will eventually run dry - it's just a matter of whether or not we choose to scrounge every joule of energy and live in energistic poverty, or expand and dominate our solar system and beyond to meet our energy needs.

Well, you could do both...

Wealth increases the chance for survival, luxury is an ancillary benefit to success, not a great evil. In any case, how is your response an argument? What about when territory between animals of the same species is adequate in facilitating survival yet there is still clash?

Not exactly. In this day and age, more and more people are forgetting how little money you actually need to live a decent life. Not a few dollars a day like many people make, but an annual salary of one million dollars is unnecessary. While acquiring some wealth is essential, you do not need to make more and more.

As for your second point, that rarely happens. Every now and then, but certainly not on the same scale as humans. And when it does happen, there are often other factors, such as one combatant feeling threatened.

Just on a side note, I'd like to point out that I do not actually support exterminating the human race, I merely see the reasoning behind the (few) people who do. And as I said, looking at things from a different perspective can be interesting.

I didn't get a Cthulhu reference!

The Deep Ones aren't going to let me live this down...

I won't either. :p

Well, you could do both...

Why? What point is there to that? Would you willingly live in poverty if you had a choice between rags and being a trillionaire? That is the choice we have - not worry about energy because the universe is fantastically huge and can (will, should) provide us with all the energy we need, or worry about energy and become a short-sighted, imbecile race with no vision or scope as to their place in the universe. Earth is not special. Earth is simply a resource to be used.

Not exactly. In this day and age, more and more people are forgetting how little money you actually need to live a decent life. Not a few dollars a day like many people make, but an annual salary of one million dollars is unnecessary. While acquiring some wealth is essential, you do not need to make more and more.

Decent life by your standards. A decent life for me is an internet connection, friends, and a roof over my head because that's what I've been stuck with for the past few years. For someone else those standards differ. Also how does need factor into the equation? Someone may not need a million dollars, but that doesn't mean they can't have it if they've earned it.

As for your second point, that rarely happens. Every now and then, but certainly not on the same scale as humans. And when it does happen, there are often other factors, such as one combatant feeling threatened.


I dispute the fact that it rarely happens, but there's no study I know of tailored to answer my question, yet the fact remains that in nature (and yes, humans are a part of nature whether that makes you uncomfortable or not) creatures are aggressive to other creatures be they of the same species or not, or whether it is necessarily physical or psychological violence. It's an inherent trait to every species with a capacity to be violent on the face of the planet, not just humans. We're no different, we're just smarter.

Not exactly. In this day and age, more and more people are forgetting how little money you actually need to live a decent life. Not a few dollars a day like many people make, but an annual salary of one million dollars is unnecessary. While acquiring some wealth is essential, you do not need to make more and more.
And bears don't need to kill each other for more mates and territory. But they do.

Why? What point is there to that? Would you willingly live in poverty if you had a choice between rags and being a trillionaire? That is the choice we have - not worry about energy because the universe is fantastically huge and can (will, should) provide us with all the energy we need, or worry about energy and become a short-sighted, imbecile race with no vision or scope as to their place in the universe. Earth is not special. Earth is simply a resource to be used.

Whoops, skipped the 'poverty' bit.

I meant that it wouldn't be bad to try for as much efficiency as possible whilst expanding to different areas.

Earth in the future would still act as an important location, even if it is for a centre of governement/research facilities or even just a place to held as an example of efficient use of materials and energy.

Whoops, skipped the 'poverty' bit.

I meant that it wouldn't be bad to try for as much efficiency as possible whilst expanding to different areas.

Earth in the future would still act as an important location, even if it is for a centre of governement/research facilities or even just a place to held as an example of efficient use of materials and energy.

Well, yes, efficiency is desirable, but that doesn't mean we can't be quick and dirty to get us there faster.

Well, yes, efficiency is desirable, but that doesn't mean we can't be quick and dirty to get us there faster.

Thats what she said...............

*is ashamed*

perhaps another species will rise to take our place as the dominant sentient species on the planet. i thin kthere was somthin on the disovery channel about that... heres somthing
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg19225731.100
its very long, but interesting

One more time:

Who, not what. There are still no sapients lined up to enjoy the lack of us.

Hell, the planet itself has an extermination record that puts mankind to shame...we're nothing compared to what this rock has done to living organisms in the past. Not to mention we're the only species capable of actually comprehending and preserving the life we encounter...

Decent life by your standards. A decent life for me is an internet connection, friends, and a roof over my head because that's what I've been stuck with for the past few years. For someone else those standards differ. Also how does need factor into the equation? Someone may not need a million dollars, but that doesn't mean they can't have it if they've earned it.

Decent life? That's when you have the necessities and a bit more, and reasonably few worries about going broke. In other words, comfortable, but nothing fancy.

Some people may have earned that million dollars, but that doesn't mean they can have all of it. That's what taxes are for (in theory).

I dispute the fact that it rarely happens, but there's no study I know of tailored to answer my question, yet the fact remains that in nature (and yes, humans are a part of nature whether that makes you uncomfortable or not) creatures are aggressive to other creatures be they of the same species or not, or whether it is necessarily physical or psychological violence. It's an inherent trait to every species with a capacity to be violent on the face of the planet, not just humans. We're no different, we're just smarter.

No, we are far more violent than most species. When two bears meet and don't get along, they may have a scuffle, but the chances of them actually fighting a brutal bloody fight is extremely low unless it is mating season. Why? Because bears aren't stupid. Even the winner in a fight to the death will end up being wounded, possibly seriously, and that's no good. Most "fights" are quite short and quickly establish one bear as being stronger and one as weaker.

Take your Propaganda elsewhere, COMMIE! :D

Actual lol. :D

I've probably joined this abit late, but hey, someone's gotta save the species.

I have a more... Doctor Who-esque view of humanity. We're the only species on Earth that can deliberately make beauty, the only ones who learn (in the real sense of the word) and our curiousity is neverending.

I dont think we're the vile destroyer and murderer that violently kills all around with reckless abandon. I think we're more like the young professor in an endless libary with endless equipment and supplies, using trail and error to work out what works "best". Course, this professor makes many, many mistakes, but when he (or she) gets it right, 'tis a thing to behold...

Dude, chill.:cool:

Decent life? That's when you have the necessities and a bit more, and reasonably few worries about going broke. In other words, comfortable, but nothing fancy.

Some people may have earned that million dollars, but that doesn't mean they can have all of it. That's what taxes are for (in theory).

Yes, that's my life: Comfortable but no where near fancy.

They can't have all of it because some of it has to pay (taxes) to maintain the environment (society) that allows you to make millions of dollars.

No, we are far more violent than most species. When two bears meet and don't get along, they may have a scuffle, but the chances of them actually fighting a brutal bloody fight is extremely low unless it is mating season. Why? Because bears aren't stupid. Even the winner in a fight to the death will end up being wounded, possibly seriously, and that's no good. Most "fights" are quite short and quickly establish one bear as being stronger and one as weaker.

And most fist fights don't end with one man killing the other. The fight is broken up, and order is restored.

As I said, no difference save in our intellect.

Beethoven's Ninth.

Justification enough in and of itself for all of human existence (and the potential that such beauty might, one day, come about again), in my opinion.

Beethoven's Ninth.

Justification enough in and of itself for all of human existence (and the potential that such beauty might, one day, come about again), in my opinion.

You're easily impressed. And probably pretentious.

I like humans. As a species and individually.

Oooh..
Myeee..
Gaaawd..

It's Lupus!

Like everything else humanity would do, If humanity goes...

They're taking the earth with them.


Fail

Like everything else humanity would do, If humanity goes...

They're taking the earth with them.


Fail


"Ah, shucks fellas, y'all see here now. We've slapped this doomsday doohickey from bits an' pieces we fond lyin' around the ol' back yard, here, and if y'all try ter beef us, we'll up an' beef this place before y'all empty yer chambers. Y'all hear now?"

-George W. Bush

Uh, you can't really say your solution is to kill all the humans and give one of the reasons as some humans are being treated badly. Of course, they're being treated badly by their fellow humans, but I imagine that they would be slightly more annoyed at being exterminated.

Anyway, evil is relative. Humans as a race cannot be called evil because there's no other intelligent life we know of to compare us to.

To my mind, the worst kind of hubris is that which says "yes, I acknowledge that there are 'good' people and 'bad,' 'intelligent' people and 'unintelligent,' 'war-mongers' and 'peacemakers,' 'innocent' and 'guilty,' but because I'm having a bad experience of people today or I'm frustrated or whatever, I see fit to judge and condemn them all together." What qualifies any individual to say that we should ALL be eradicated for the wrong-doings of some, even of a majority? That's a slap in the face to all of the good that gets done and to all of those who do good. No, if you're going to concede that there are people who don't deserve to be punished, then punishing them for the crimes of the mob around them is immoral, and advocating blanket condemnation renders your own moral pronouncements null and void.

Obviously, if we're going to arrange for some campaign of eradication, if should be selective. There needs to be a process of adjudicating the deserving from the undeserving, and then we selectively eliminate the bad (or selectively preserve the good). I'd propose that the screening process ought to factor in some kind of civics test, intelligence testing, maybe a history quiz, an interview, and a 'practical' moral-dilemma style test of character.

I will answer your post with these four words:

Homo Sapiens Uber Alles!

Rise, fellow humans! Defend our species! Destroy those who seek to destroy us! Long live humanity!

*starts singing "G-d bless Humanity"

Your perspective is flawed and fails to take into account how humanity has evolved. We are doing no more than any other species would on this planet: we are establishing territory, gathering food, reproducing, and surviving. We are simply able to out-do every other species at these tasks because we have the intelligence to adapt on the fly, to create machinery and other technologies to go around our obstacles. Sure, we're pretty destructive, but do not under ANY circumstances even BEGIN to believe any other species would act differently given the same set of circumstances.

Nivalc: No, he's one of the Elves with Elcryss tree out in Oregon. They're waiting for the Great Wars to hurry up and go already so they can have their own part of the Four Lands.

You read Terry Brooks?... ! ... Well met!

Sorry for not reading the rest of the pages before this, I couldn't resist...

I agree with you (Kyronea) though. Humans will do what humans do... Why does that sound familiar?... Anyway, destroying all human life on earth (say through an unseen meteorite) would just mean that in the next few million/billion years, the next intelligent species to come along is going to wonder what that interesting layer of strata was before commencing the destruction of Earth...

Not exactly. In this day and age, more and more people are forgetting how little money you actually need to live a decent life. Not a few dollars a day like many people make, but an annual salary of one million dollars is unnecessary. While acquiring some wealth is essential, you do not need to make more and more.

As for your second point, that rarely happens. Every now and then, but certainly not on the same scale as humans. And when it does happen, there are often other factors, such as one combatant feeling threatened.

Just on a side note, I'd like to point out that I do not actually support exterminating the human race, I merely see the reasoning behind the (few) people who do. And as I said, looking at things from a different perspective can be interesting.

But more money is a better chance to live longer.

Incidentally, if someone came and told me they were planning to exterminate the human race to save the enviroment, I'd burn down the nearest forest out of spite.

It's stuff like this that reminds me why I hate Nihilists...

Now...that's not to say I don't want the destruction of humanity, far from it. The difference is, is that I'm merely a evil madman with a death ray. I've got to use it on SOMETHING! I've already put 6 billion down on it!

It's stuff like this that reminds me why I hate Nihilists...

Now...that's not to say I don't want the destruction of humanity, far from it. The difference is, is that I'm merely a evil madman with a death ray. I've got to use it on SOMETHING! I've already put 6 billion down on it!

Umm.... I made that death ray and I'm the only one that can fix it. So it would probably be for the best if you aimed it at somewhere like Omicron Persei 8...

Umm.... I made that death ray and I'm the only one that can fix it. So it would probably be for the best if you aimed it at somewhere like Omicron Persei 8...

No, the neutral planet. Let those scheming neutrals issue a beige alert...

No, the neutral planet. Let those scheming neutrals issue a beige alert...

...Bitches

We're the best, and we do whatever the fuck we want.

We're the best, and we do whatever the fuck we want.

I agree. Hell yea Humanity.

It's like I keep saying: we're the top of the foodchain, and we must assert our dominance over the lesser lifeforms by exploiting/destroying them on every possible occassion. The day that humanity folds and starts kowtowing to "nature" is the day that PETA wins, and we're all forced to eat Brussel Sprouts. I didn't evolve over a period of millions of years to eat BRUSSEL SPROUTS! God gave us canines for a reason!

Case in point. People who swim in the ocean, the right of all sentient beings, and getting bitten by sharks. Some people, cowards, after the attacks give into "human guilt" and start with the appologetics. "I don't blame the shark, he was only doing what came natural. I was in his domain..."

If I got bit...fuck that! The shark is in our domain! It exists by our whim! I get bit? Get me a boat and a dozen depth charges, I'll nuke his slimy ass out of my ocean! That'll send a message to the rest of their kind not to bite humans! [/Hueg faux-chauvanism]

+1

(Scroll down to the end and read the conclusion if you are one of the lazy and stupid humans that ruin this planet. Thanks for proving my point.)

It has come to my attention that the human race is malignant pestilent disease upon this smoggy earth: its destructive capabilities are constantly improving; when they are not obliterating all forms of life they do not approve of, they are actively denying any wrongdoing; then they organize a few small charity groups and the like and claim to be "good citizens." And when humans tire of destroying the world around them, they fall to slaughtering one another. They build ridiculously complex and expensive, not to mention worthless, monuments to their own stupidity, and then loot them recklessly.

When those who have acquired more material wealth than is normal are done cheating all those below them, they engage in ferocious infighting and backstabbing. Selling out friends and allies for more useless wealth, they are too blinded by their own greed and paranoia of losing their wealth to see what they have become. Instead, they commission wars, causing deaths and conflict for hundreds of years to come in order to further their despicable ends.

In the meantime, the proletariats, the poor, the downtrodden. What of them? In the past, their attempts to rise up were either quashed brutally, or in their own victory, failed; they became the mirror-image of what they had fought against. A somewhat intelligent human named Lord Hutton said the popular quote "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Of course he knew all about such things: he was a rich and powerful Lord. Nowadays, the working class, the "bourgeoisie" and those with little to no material wealth are too caught up in their mindless entertainment to bother trying. They have become complacent and stupid; those that still seek knowledge and betterment are scorned and ostracized. In the modernized rich countries, smart people are uncommon; intelligent people a rarity; and wise people are practically a nonentity.

Note that by "smart" I mean the typical smart kid in human school. The type that does gets "straight A's," so to speak. Intelligent is a cut above smart. Intelligent people can better understand what the world is like, what events around them mean. Smart people are complacent in their smartness; intelligent people strive to understand and learn more. As for wise, only a few in all the history of humanity can not only exercise intellect, but can apply it to the world around them, and from that, come up with their own original, realistic, and logical ideas and philosophies. Wise people, and even intelligent ones are not always right-leave that to the smart ones-yet even when they are wrong or when they fail, they do so in a manner that earns them respect. Or at least would if the majority of humanity were not made up of fools.

Getting back to the worthlessness of those below the upper class of humanity. Most of these people end up in materially poor countries, which are exploited to no end by the materially rich; they occasionally attempt to change this, but as has been said before, the leaders they bring to power are soon corrupted, if they are not corrupted to begin with. It seems that humans are so weak, they cannot even control themselves when put in positions of responsibility.

CONCLUSION:

I could go on about the crimes of humanity, but to list them all properly would take decades more time than we have. For the crimes they have committed to themselves, to their fellow humans, and to the earth itself, I propose a complete elimination of the human race, no less. While this may seem overly harsh, I see it as a boon to all those non-humans on the planet earth who are suffering in their mindless wreckage.

To the humans: You have a few days before we commence eliminating you from existence. You can pray to your puny made-up gods, or you can argue for the continuation of the human race; tell me why your miserable lot deserves continued life.


NOTE BEFORE RESPONDING: This is not an essay on why humanity blows, it is more a statement, albeit a long one. The purpose of this is not to pick it apart, gloating over any small mistakes found; nor is it to point out how "geez, not all people are like that!" The statement is an old piece I wrote and found lying around and decided to put to use. Yes, it is rather unkind to humans; if I have offended you, my apologies.

Yes, I know there are good people in the world, but think. On the whole, looking at our history, our present, and our future, do you think the earth would be better served if we all simply dropped dead? Does all of humanity deserve to drop dead (this is all or nothing people. No killing off those you dislike), or do our positives outweigh the negatives. Do we deserve a second chance? If given a second chance, could we really make use of it?

Can you at least let us lie down and put paper bags over our heads, and then build a hyperspatial express route after you've destroyed us?

I agree. Hell yea Humanity.

It's like I keep saying: we're the top of the foodchain, and we must assert our dominance over the lesser lifeforms by exploiting/destroying them on every possible occassion. The day that humanity folds and starts kowtowing to "nature" is the day that PETA wins, and we're all forced to eat Brussel Sprouts. I didn't evolve over a period of millions of years to eat BRUSSEL SPROUTS! God gave us canines for a reason!

Case in point. People who swim in the ocean, the right of all sentient beings, and getting bitten by sharks. Some people, cowards, after the attacks give into "human guilt" and start with the appologetics. "I don't blame the shark, he was only doing what came natural. I was in his domain..."

If I got bit...fuck that! The shark is in our domain! It exists by our whim! I get bit? Get me a boat and a dozen depth charges, I'll nuke his slimy ass out of my ocean! That'll send a message to the rest of their kind not to bite humans!

That was frickin' arrogant. Even if you did nuke a fucking shark, it wouldn't do anything to the rest of the species. D'you know that 25 million sharks are killed a year by puny little Indonesians who can't get it out of their heads that there is actual food to eat.

Yes, that's my life: Comfortable but no where near fancy.

They can't have all of it because some of it has to pay (taxes) to maintain the environment (society) that allows you to make millions of dollars.

It's a vicious cycle.

And most fist fights don't end with one man killing the other. The fight is broken up, and order is restored.

As I said, no difference save in our intellect.

So ignoring the thousands of deaths from fights every day?


And to people like Luporum: you are simply proving the initial post's point.

*snip*

Yes, I agree. You need another psychiatrist.

That was frickin' arrogant. Even if you did nuke a fucking shark, it wouldn't do anything to the rest of the species. D'you know that 25 million sharks are killed a year by puny little Indonesians who can't get it out of their heads that there is actual food to eat.

¬_¬

ok, wtf is this emo shit?

I propose we destroy the Earth before it kills us all.

Fuck Earth. Humans are smart enough to expand once we've consumed it (which we ultimately will, no matter how frugal we are).

Eh...I for one don't think we'll stop our interspecies feuding long enough to commit ourselves to planetary colonization before we destroy ourselves...or the universe does it for us.

Having all of our eggs in one basket isn't exactly a bright idea. The race as a whole is vulnerable to any number of cosmic or geologic extinction events.

Sooner or later, we're screwed...unless we get off of our collective asses and get to work on the problem, which probably won't happen as long as national, ideological, and religious differences continue to splinter the human race into different factions.

...a thought just occured to me. Do you think if we promoted the idea of allowing groups to segregate themselves on their own planets that we'd stop fighting amongst ourselves long enough to get colonization off the ground?

We could have a full blown capitalist planet, and a full blown communist planet, and settle the debate once and for all. :p

A planet would end up trying to destroy all of the other ones.

Colonising as the collective species rather than segregrating would be better, provided there are ways to intergrate Earth/non-Earth borne sentient life forms.

Heh, thanks Aggicificicerous for making the attempt.

Hey, man, some of my best friends are humans.

Plus I don't want to die.

The OP could lead by example - that would be a good start.