NationStates Jolt Archive

One method is leaving things up to chance and the other is human interference. The problem lies in the subjectivity of who you would consider has earned the right to live in your nation.

I think meritocratic method is fairer than native geography... no?

No because of the subjectivity problem for one.

How is meritocracy any more 'subjective' than a geo-political border?

It seems to me that a battery of tests (including, for example... aptitude to be a good parent, to be a good citizen, and some reasonable expectation of education and intellect) HAS to be fairer than "yo momma is mexican, fuck off".

How is meritocracy any more 'subjective' than a geo-political border?

It seems to me that a battery of tests (including, for example... aptitude to be a good parent, to be a good citizen, and some reasonable expectation of education and intellect) HAS to be fairer than "yo momma is mexican, fuck off".

What exactly is subjecive about a geo-political border?

Who decides what is satisfactory parenting, citizenship, education, etc?

When would testing be performed? Some people develop into good students at different stages. What about the handicapped, etc?

What exactly is subjecive about a geo-political border?


The fact that geo-political borders are entirely arbitrary and subjective?


Who decides what is satisfactory parenting, citizenship, education, etc?


Does it matter? Someone qualified to make decisions about citizenship, one assumes... just like now?


When would testing be performed? Some people develop into good students at different stages. What about the handicapped, etc?

Testing would be performed once majority is reached. If you are already over the age of majority when testing is introduced, or you enter the country... then you can reside in temporary status until tested at earliest opportunity.

Does it matter? Someone qualified to make decisions about citizenship, one assumes... just like now?


Who do you consider qualified? Dr Shipman was a qualified doctor and he murdered plenty of his patients. Qualifications are a dangerous route to go by.

Testing would be performed once majority is reached. If you are already over the age of majority when testing is introduced, or you enter the country... then you can reside in temporary status until tested at earliest opportunity.

Age of majority? Sorry I don't quite understand

How exactly would you implement such a system or would you rely on everyone falling in line and accepting it?

Who do you consider qualified? Dr Shipman was a qualified doctor and he murdered plenty of his patients. Qualifications are a dangerous route to go by.


Erm. Did you seriously just argue that qualifications are meaningless because Dr Shipman was qualified and turned homicidal?

Erm. Did you seriously just argue that qualifications are meaningless because Dr Shipman was qualified and turned homicidal?

I didn't say meaningless. I used the word dangerous in the sense that they aren't infallible. Someone can be qualified for a job but not exactly a good idea

If you want an alternative example then how about anyone who can pass an exam but is still incompetent at their job

The geographic borders makes better sense than the meritocracy.

For one, we have borders because they mark the limit of our government's jurisdiction and this system prevents, say, Mexico from trying to impose its laws on Americans and vice versa.

Also, you don't want to be in the business of removing native born persons. You see, the Europeans and Americans both found out that when you do that, people will fight back. The Native Americans did when the Americans kicked them off the land they were born on.

If you were born in the US you belong in the US. If you were born in Mexico you belong in Mexico.

But if you're parents came here illegally from Mexico, they should be deported and the kid should placed in foster services until the parents come over legally.
That or the kid could join them in Mexico. Considering that even in the US children under 18 still don't have the full constitutional rights and protections that adult Americans have.
(EXAMPLE: American Children don't have free speech rights and can be expelled or required to do detention for anything they say. In some states they can be jailed also. )

Here's an idea- let's deport everyone in our prison system. Preferably to Cuba.

Here's an idea- let's deport everyone in our prison system. Preferably to Cuba.

Ditto. I'm tired of seeing rapists get off.