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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/washington/05cnd-gore.html?ex=1341201600&en=9ca3ec903d8acb15&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Really pretty remarkable...I'd have expected 100mph to be pretty difficult for a Prius to make.


Al Gore’s 24-year-old son was arrested and jailed in Southern California this morning.

Al Gore III, 24, was driving a blue Toyota Prius about 100 miles an hour on the San Diego Freeway near the Crown Valley exit in Laguna Hills when he was pulled over by an Orange County sheriff’s deputy at about 2:15 this morning, a sheriff’s department spokesman, Jim Amormino, said.

The deputy smelled marijuana and searched the car, Mr. Amormino said. In the search, the deputy found less than an ounce of marijuana and a clutch of prescription pills that included the narcotic Vicodin, addictive sleep and anxiety aids Valium, Xanax and Soma, and the amphetamine Adderall, which is approved to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder but is also a powerful stimulant.

“He doesn’t have a prescription for any of these pills, and that’s what makes it illegal,” said Mr. Amormino.

More than 10 hours after his arrest on drug charges, the younger Gore remained in a Southern California jail because no one had showed up to post his $20,000 bail.

Mike Feldman, a Gore family spokesman, said that the former vice president was “in transit and unavailable.” The elder Gore was in Britain on Tuesday and is scheduled to appear in New York City on Thursday to promote “Live Earth,” a series of concerts being held around the world on Saturday to raise awareness about environmental issues.

The police impounded the younger Mr. Gore’s car and took him to jail in Santa Ana. He faces four drug charges and was cited for speeding, Mr. Amormino said.

If no one shows up to post bail, Mr. Gore must await arraignment in court, which would occur no earlier than Thursday afternoon and could be delayed until Friday, Mr. Amormino said.

Mr. Amormino said that it “seemed unusual” that no one had bailed out the younger Mr. Gore. The sheriff’s department accepts personal checks and credit cards.

Al Gore III?


Wow, what an unimaginative family.

Really pretty remarkable...I'd have expected 100mph to be pretty difficult for a Prius to make.
Why?

Granted, it's a bit heavier than normal cars, but at anything above city stop and go it's powered by a normal 1.5 litre engine.

People need to stop deifying hybrids. As soon as you're no longer standing at the traffic lights they're just like any other car except heavier, meaning they use more fuel. You can get the same average consumption and CO2 emissions from a small modern diesel (actually, the consumption might be better).

I don't have much auto experience personally; but from what I've read and heard, the hybrids have less power. Maybe it's not the case.

I know. When I read that this morning, my first response was, "In a Pious?"

I don't have much auto experience personally; but from what I've read and heard, the hybrids have less power. Maybe it's not the case.
They're building a sucessor to the Toyota Supra right now, which is a hybrid. 400hp, close to 200mph.

"Hybrid" just means it has an additional electromotor to drive the car at slow speeds and when taking off from a stop. That's when a combustion engine uses a lot of fuel and produces a lot of emissions, so during that time the electromotor takes over. Once you're at some speed a normal engine takes over, and that could be a 7l twin-turbo V12 if you wanted.

I don't have much auto experience personally; but from what I've read and heard, the hybrids have less power. Maybe it's not the case.

Actually, the electric motors can result in them having more power, not less.

This is actually bush's fault.

Had bush not stolen the election, President Gore's son would have been doing something else.

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Al Gore III?


Wow, what an unimaginative family.

I'm the IV in my family. Don't worry. There will not be a V.

Granted, it's a bit heavier than normal cars, but at anything above city stop and go it's powered by a normal 1.5 litre engine.

People need to stop deifying hybrids. As soon as you're no longer standing at the traffic lights they're just like any other car except heavier, meaning they use more fuel. You can get the same average consumption and CO2 emissions from a small modern diesel (actually, the consumption might be better).


Not exactly

For Prius, the electric component kicks and ICE engine shuts off while cruising/light load

One reason that the Prius gets such good gasoline mileage is that the ICE is smaller than in most cars this size. The ICE usually shuts off at stop lights and when backing up and descending long hills. The Prius performance remains very good because the battery/electric motor booster automatically provides more than enough extra power for acceleration and hill climbing. This means it drives like a traditional ICE automobile, with the on-board computer taking care of shifting power to and from the engine and motors, and automatically determining when to charge the battery, as well as the most efficient use of the engine or the electric motors (or both) based on driving conditions. This also means that one cannot use electricity from external sources. Advocates of 'plug-in' hybrids consider this to be a missed opportunity. The Prius also uses its electric motor to recharge the battery during braking, with kinetic energy normally wasted as heat being recaptured. This also significantly reduces brake wear.

The engine can shut down once it has warmed up and the catalytic converter in the exhaust system has reached operating temperature. The Prius can then operate solely on electric power under low energy loads. This is sometimes referred to as "stealth mode" due to the lack of engine noise. While this further reduces gasoline consumption and engine wear, the Prius is so quiet it can be hazardous to blind pedestrians and others accustomed to engine noise to warn of a nearby vehicle. When driving conditions demand additional power, the engine starts up automatically.

The on-board computer ensures that the engine runs under the most efficient conditions. Typically, a petrol/gasoline engine runs inefficiently at half-throttle, creating a choking condition. This effect, called pumping loss, is a major reason for the inefficiency of gasoline engines compared to diesels. The Prius minimizes pumping loss by running the gasoline engine at a high torque range with the throttle fully open. Drive-by-wire throttle control technology and Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive (a torque combiner, electric drive, and computer control) are essential to this engine control.


Kinda the same in Accord Hybrid.
Starting
The Accord Hybrid gets a brisk start with V-6 power and electric power from the Integrated Motor Assist System. IMA is normally used to start the gas engine, but there's also a 12-volt battery and starter if the IMA batteries are low.

Acceleration
When you need to get up to speed or pass with authority, you have all the power of the V-6 engine in the Accord Hybrid, plus the added boost of the electric motor. It's a powerful combination with a total of 253 hp underfoot to pick up the pace.

Cruising
When you maintain a steady speed at light engine loads, the Variable Cylinder Management™ (VCM™) system is silently activated. While IMA boosts efficiency around town, VCM helps extend your fuel mileage and range on the highway.

Braking
Slow down, and the IMA System's electric motor is now a generator. It recharges the Hybrid's batteries by recapturing kinetic energy with the help of an electronically controlled transmission, which is tuned to maximize recharging capability.

At a Stop
The Accord Hybrid gets a brisk start with V-6 power and electric power from the Integrated Motor Assist IMA® System. IMA is normally used to start the gas engine, but there are also a 12-volt battery and a starter if the IMA batteries are low. Come to a stop, and the idle-stop feature shuts down the gasoline engine to reduce fuel consumption and emissions. Step on the accelerator, and both gas and electric power are immediately available for a brisk restart.

So, no, even if you drive a hybrid and a normal car in a long drive with no stops, hybrids will give u better kmpl/mpg.

hardly is it discussed that toyata was one of the biggest consumers of the piss of the poisonous vegetable in the central african region of the rebublic of Zaire.

In before New Mitanni or some other Bushevik rants about how this is further proof the Democrats and "Liberals" are going to lose in 2008.

So, no, even if you drive a hybrid and a normal car in a long drive with no stops, hybrids will give u better kmpl/mpg.

That's not entirely true. Check out the Volkswagen Lupo 3L; Autocar says it was capable of 94mpg. Good luck finding a Prius that near that (FYI, Autocar rates the Prius at 65.7mpg on a combined cycle).

That's not entirely true. Check out the Volkswagen Lupo 3L; Autocar says it was capable of 94mpg. Good luck finding a Prius that near that (FYI, Autocar rates the Prius at 65.7mpg on a combined cycle).

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Petrolhead :p

Well, I can't deny that :p

100mph in a Prius takes about 35 seconds from a standing start...

By comparison, a C6 Vette (base/for example) is about 10 seconds. Still gets 30mpg highway.

That said, I'd ditch both of those for a green '68 Mustang anyday. If I want to help the environment I'll turn off my lights, use less paper and recycle.

Al Gore III?


Wow, what an unimaginative family.

I would shoot myself...or to make dad angry change my name to Bush

By comparison, a C6 Vette (base/for example) is about 10 seconds. Still gets 30mpg highway.

Yes, but then shits itself when faced with anything even approaching a twisty road.

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This is actually bush's fault.

Had bush not stolen the election, President Gore's son would have been doing something else.

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He'd be pardoned.

Yes, but then shits itself when faced with anything even approaching a twisty road.
You're joking.

Here's my stance on things:

If you can't negotiate a curvy road/track with a car, any car, you're a shitty driver. If McQueen and Bud Ekins could do freeway speeds without crashing in downtown San Francisco, then the car handles fine.

Yes, but then shits itself when faced with anything even approaching a twisty road.
Nah, the C6 can actually take a turn. It's hard to wrap around, I know, but after forty some odd years they finally made one where the steering wheel wasn't superfluous...
You're joking.

Here's my stance on things:

If you can't negotiate a curvy road/track with a car, any car, you're a shitty driver. If McQueen and Bud Ekins could do freeway speeds without crashing in downtown San Francisco, then the car handles fine.
Okay, first of all, those cars were breaking loose all over the place, and Ekins' took out a camera.

And for all his hussel in that Mustang, when it came time for him to race in uncontrolled conditions, McQueen didn't fuck around-he went for a Porsche. It's one thing to bash around in a movie, it's a whole other thing to drive a car that was built like it meant it.

You're joking.

Here's my stance on things:

If you can't negotiate a curvy road/track with a car, any car, you're a shitty driver. If McQueen and Bud Ekins could do freeway speeds without crashing in downtown San Francisco, then the car handles fine.

Sure, you can drive any road in any car, but whether or not you can do it with any degree of pace or finesse is a different matter.

Nah, the C6 can actually take a turn. It's hard to wrap around, I know, but after forty some odd years they finally made one where the steering wheel wasn't superfluous...

Yeah, but even still. If I was going for a car purely on reputed driving pleasure and its ability the C6 wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list.

Yeah, but even still. If I was going for a car purely on reputed driving pleasure and its ability the C6 wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list.

Well, for you and me, yeah. But the Corvette has stepped up. Now if they can put a decent interior in it...seriously, if they're trying for a 'world class sports car' they can't half step the part wrapped around the driver...

I am suspicious of his claimed 30mpg. Or how he thinks that compares favorably to 60mpg listed by Autocar earlier in the thread.

EDIT: Yeah, I just checked a copy of Road & Track that has a 2005 test getting 13mpg, and a more recent Z06 test getting 18mpg.

A far cry from 30mpg

Well, for you and me, yeah. But the Corvette has stepped up. Now if they can put a decent interior in it...seriously, if they're trying for a 'world class sports car' they can't half step the part wrapped around the driver...


Yah, I've heard that too. Maybe they are trying to go for a chevy ethos thing though.

Al Gore III?


Wow, what an unimaginative family.

Hey, beats Louis XVII.

This is actually bush's fault.

Had bush not stolen the election, President Gore's son would have been doing something else.

:D

:D

:D

Crack?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/washington/05cnd-gore.html?ex=1341201600&en=9ca3ec903d8acb15&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Really pretty remarkable...I'd have expected 100mph to be pretty difficult for a Prius to make.

maybe he tossed some weed in the fuel cell?
that would explain why the cop smelled the aroma.
who knows...maybe hemp is the answer to the energy debate?

Crack?

Cisco and vicodin, as it were.


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