NationStates Jolt Archive

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died last year but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.

He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies.

Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins.

When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered.

But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html

So my question is, do you believe there are aliens out there? 60 years later we're still getting stories of people who say they've had some sort of encounter with "little grey men." Hard to simply dismiss in my opinion.

Believe something a PR Officer says - you have to be kidding.

To me it seems likely there are aliens, I don't see how you can think Roswell is any kind of evidence.

the government covers it up because it WILL cause mass panic. think about it, would you want to know there have been aliens watching us for the past...bazillion years?

ok...scratch that

it would be good, we might be able to get rid of all religion once and for all :)

I could are less, because right now it doesn't affect me, nor is it likely to unless we face some sort of mass invasion. Which, incidentally, would absolutely destroy my plans for the zombie apocalypse.

For the record, I don't think aliens crashed at Roswell. You'll have to do better than fuzzy photos and "witness" testimony to convince me (as a psychologist, I'm well aware of the limitations of human memory - and they are many).

Funny thing about aliens is that the number of sightings, close encounters and abductions seems related to the popularity of science fiction. In Poland the peak was in the 70s. Perhaps the saucers needed A LOT of time to cross the Atlantic.
That being said, I do believe in intelligent life somewhere in the universe (and bugger all the way on Earth ;))

I don't see how you can think Roswell is any kind of evidence.

I wouldn't call it evidence. It raises alot of questions for me though. With all the inquiries that went on in the 90's, and all the "missing" reports that never turned up, testimonies from people who worked in and around Roswell, government agencies curious as well as to why they spent so much time and energy in and around Roswell during that time. Things like that all beg the question, just what the hell was going on in Roswell at that time? If it wasn't aliens, like so many people have claimed it was, then what? Why the need to be so secretive about it so many years later?

bloody child sized illegal Aliens stealing are jobz/wimmenz :p

I wouldn't call it evidence. It raises alot of questions for me though. With all the inquiries that went on in the 90's, and all the "missing" reports that never turned up, testimonies from people who worked in and around Roswell, government agencies curious as well as to why they spent so much time and energy in and around Roswell during that time. Things like that all beg the question, just what the hell was going on in Roswell at that time?

Let us not confuse run-of-the-mill governmental incompetence with active conspiracy.

It is hard to believe that in such a large universe that we are all that is 'out there'.There is so much crime and problems with the world you can't believe that there isn't something perfect out there.I want aliens to visit Earth but only if they come in peace.

Let us not confuse run-of-the-mill governmental incompetence with active conspiracy.

QFT; however, if anything, the alien hype is just to cover up the actual military experiments.

You know, like, what actually happened. >_>

The Futurama episode Roswell That Ends Well explained this all very completely. It was Bender's ass, not a spaceship.

There is so much crime and problems with the world you can't believe that there isn't something perfect out there.

Sure I can. Perfection is a nothing more than a mental construct.

it would be good, we might be able to get rid of all religion once and for all :)

are you serious? never heard of UFO cults? if anything it would cause a resurgence of religious feeling world wide, imo. The religious instinct won't die until human DNA is changed to remove it.

are you serious? never heard of UFO cults? if anything it would cause a resurgence of religious feeling world wide, imo. The religious instinct won't die until human DNA is changed to remove it.

There is no "religious instinct" inherent in human nature. There is a spiritual instinct, sure, and it's apparent in enough people that organized spirituality, religions, form, but there are plenty of religious people who've never had anything resembling a spiritual experience.

There is no "religious instinct" inherent in human nature. There is a spiritual instinct, sure, and it's apparent in enough people that organized spirituality, religions, form, but there are plenty of religious people who've never had anything resembling a spiritual experience.

I think what he's talking about is the gene that allows people to believe things without evidence. It's the so-called "God gene".

Funny thing about aliens is that the number of sightings, close encounters and abductions seems related to the popularity of science fiction. In Poland the peak was in the 70s. Perhaps the saucers needed A LOT of time to cross the Atlantic.

Bingo! It's also interesting to note that the reports of aliens and UFOs invariably correspond to the current sci-fi alien stereotype.

So my question is, do you believe there are aliens out there? 60 years later we're still getting stories of people who say they've had some sort of encounter with "little grey men." Hard to simply dismiss in my opinion.

Not really. If aliens were visiting this planet and wanted us to know that they exist then they'd have offered conclusive proof by now. If aliens were visiting this planet and didn't want us to know they exist then why would they have been spotted and why do they supposedly abduct and talk to humans? Surely a civilisation which has mastered intergalactic travel must be capable of disguising themselves from yokels. This only leaves Douglas Adams' 'teaser' explanation, which doesn't seem terribly likely. ;)

Carl Sagan analyses the phenomena of UFOs in his book, The Demon Haunted World, and draws many parallels between UFO sightings and visions of the Virgin Mary in Medieval Europe. That said, I'm sure that life has arisen elsewhere in the Universe, but I don't think they've been visiting us.

There is so much crime and problems with the world you can't believe that there isn't something perfect out there.

Please explain your logic; surely the reasonable conclusion would be the exact opposite ("There is so much crime and problems with the world you can't believe that there is anything perfect out there.")

Bingo! It's also interesting to note that the reports of aliens and UFOs invariably correspond to the current sci-fi alien stereotype.

It is interesting. However, just because there have been more UFO sightings doesn't necessarily mean that's because more people are watching Sci-Fi movies. There are numerous examples of other events were the increased number of reports jumps based on awareness. Diseases and awareness of a disease is one good example.

Surely a civilisation which has mastered intergalactic travel must be capable of disguising themselves from yokels.

Assuming such a race does exist, can you really believe they are incapable of making mistakes? Let's face it, they would still need to use some sort of a machine for space travel (assuming "they" do exist). All machines suffer from fatigue, crack growth, stresses and strains, corrosion etc etc at one point or another.



That said, I'm sure that life has arisen elsewhere in the Universe, but I don't think they've been visiting us.

So you believe there could be other life out there, but assuming this other life has the capablity to space travel they wouldn't be interested in us? What if the shoe was on the other foot? If humans were capable of space travel beyond our solar system and we encountered life, would we just look the other way?

It is hard to believe that in such a large universe that we are all that is 'out there'.There is so much crime and problems with the world you can't believe that there isn't something perfect out there

Personally, if aliens are out there I'd expect them to be a bunch of bastard coated and bastard filled bastards just like us.

I believe in either extraterrestrials visiting us in intergalactic spacecraft, or future humans coming back in time to monitor us. SOme of the shit I've seen forces me to believe in the possibility of those things.

There was a craft I saw that was shaped like a plane that shape shifted and then a vortex opened and it flew into the center of it and dissapeared. Then the vortex closed and it was gone.

Assuming such a race does exist, can you really believe they are incapable of making mistakes? Let's face it, they would still need to use some sort of a machine for space travel (assuming "they" do exist). All machines suffer from fatigue, crack growth, stresses and strains, corrosion etc etc at one point or another.

I also pointed out that they allegedly abduct people; this doesn't seem very rational behaviour for aliens who don't want us to know that they exist.

That said, we have aircraft on Earth which are practically invisible to radar, so why wouldn't we expect an advanced civilisation to have the same? The number of reported sighting suggests that they can't all be the result of technical faults unless (a) there are tens of thousands of space ships visiting Earth every days or (b) they're designed by incompetants.

So you believe there could be other life out there, but assuming this other life has the capablity to space travel they wouldn't be interested in us? What if the shoe was on the other foot? If humans were capable of space travel beyond our solar system and we encountered life, would we just look the other way?

I've yet to see any convincing evidence for aliens having visited Earth. As faster than light travel is impossible I'm not sure if a civilisation would even be able to visit us if they wanted to. There's also the possibility that they're wiping themselves out in the same way that we are.

I also pointed out that they allegedly abduct people.

We do it all the time.


That said, we have aircraft on Earth which are practically invisible to radar, so why wouldn't we expect an advanced civilisation to have the same? The number of reported sighting suggests that they can't all be the result of technical faults unless (a) there are tens of thousands of space ships visiting Earth every days or (b) they're designed by incompetants.

I'm more interested in the ten's of thousands of reports you mentioned. Sure, many of them must be cases of mistaken identity or hoaxes. However, to say all of them are, I think is stretching it. As far as the techinal aspect of "alien ships" goes, I really have no way of knowing wheater or not the said aliens have "cloacking devices" and either are just to dumb to use them or forgot to turn it on. All speculation.


As faster than light travel is impossible

I would say improbable.

I would say improbable.
It's improbable in the same way the the amount of entropy in the universe decreasing is improbable. In short, it's impossible, short of circumstances that are not going to ever happen.

I believe in either extraterrestrials visiting us in intergalactic spacecraft, or future humans coming back in time to monitor us. SOme of the shit I've seen forces me to believe in the possibility of those things.

There was a craft I saw that was shaped like a plane that shape shifted and then a vortex opened and it flew into the center of it and dissapeared. Then the vortex closed and it was gone.

Whoa... What were you smokin'?

Whoa... What were you smokin'?

I wasn't smoking anything but aside from that I have had experience with hallucinations and they are always easy to spot. They are always wavey and animated in some way and move with my eyes. Blinking or turning my head and then looking back will rid me of the hallucination (or degrade it in some form or other). I wouldn't have mentioned it if I thought it was a hallucination.


Another set of UFO's that I saw, I actually had a friend there to see them too but what happened wasn't nearly as far out.

Three purple (more like black light and impossible to see in the sky unless you focus on them - I somehow got lucky enough to spot them - it took a bit of time for my friend to be able to focus on them) triangles that were silent and very slow moving and did some triangular formations in the sky before all going their own way.

You know, just because they weren't human and flew around in a flying saucer doesn't mean they were aliens.

You know, just because they weren't human and flew around in a flying saucer doesn't mean they were aliens.

No, it was Fry, Bender, Leela, Zoidberg and the Professor.

No, it was Fry, Bender, Leela, Zoidberg and the Professor.

Two of those people are human. *nod*

Two of those people are human. *nod*

I believe Leela is just a mutated human.

Two of those people are human. *nod*

And one is a humanoid robot.

Two of those people are human. *nod*

Hey, why'd you have to insult Fry?

I wasn't smoking anything but aside from that I have had experience with hallucinations and they are always easy to spot. They are always wavey and animated in some way and move with my eyes. Blinking or turning my head and then looking back will rid me of the hallucination (or degrade it in some form or other). I wouldn't have mentioned it if I thought it was a hallucination.


Another set of UFO's that I saw, I actually had a friend there to see them too but what happened wasn't nearly as far out.

Three purple (more like black light and impossible to see in the sky unless you focus on them - I somehow got lucky enough to spot them - it took a bit of time for my friend to be able to focus on them) triangles that were silent and very slow moving and did some triangular formations in the sky before all going their own way.

Hmmm... Where was this? what time, etc.

Hmmm... Where was this? what time, etc.

I'll have to respond later. My boss is sending me home early for the 4th of July. Which experience were you asking about?

I'll have to respond later. My boss is sending me home early for the 4th of July. Which experience were you asking about?
Uh... either/any. I'm just interested, is all.