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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html
Minor image warning. Not terribly disturbing, but thought I might as well mention it.



But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died last year but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.

He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies.

Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins.

When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered.

But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies.

What do you think? Were their really aliens? Were there not really aliens, but the guy wanted to get some publicity after death? Was he delusional? Is he playing a really bad joke?

I'm not quite sure what to think, but I have doubts about their actually being UFOs.

FTL travel isn't possible, and all the other methods of interstellar space travel are silly. So no, there aren't any aliens.

FTL travel isn't possible, and all the other methods of interstellar space travel are silly. So no, there aren't any aliens.

Flying at near-light speed so relativity kicks in would work.

Just as a point. I'm not saying there's aliens flying around earth.

It's the military - no surprise that the weather ballon thing was made up. :p

As for the bodies, perhaps they were incinerated and looked alien, or they were chimps coming down from a high-altitude test (hence small coffins) or the bodies were all in chunks, making transporting them in small cases easier.

FTL travel isn't possible, and all the other methods of interstellar space travel are silly. So no, there aren't any aliens.

Space-time warping.

Proof of this has been seen on NSG in "time warps".

Flying at near-light speed so relativity kicks in would work.

Just as a point. I'm not saying there's aliens flying around earth.

I remember seeing something that talked about why that wouldn't work either. Something about high velocity particles or the massive amount of energy required...

Damn my penchant for losing important web pages!

The government already said it wasn't a weather balloon, but some upper atmosphere balloon used to listen for nuclear blasts over the USSR.

The "bodies" were realistic test dummies that were dropped from about 65,000ft to test high altitude parachutes used in the SR-71 and U-2 spy plane.

All Roswell is, is a bunch of stupid fools constantly trying to get there voice heard.

I do believe aliens exist, but doubt they come here, and doubt most UFO sightings.

I remember seeing something that talked about why that wouldn't work either. Something about high velocity particles or the massive amount of energy required...

Damn my penchant for losing important web pages!

I dunno about particles - at the rate we're developing metallic glasses and metallurgical oddities here on Earth, it seems like making a space-ship capable of taking a beating would be the easy part - it's the propulsion that's the trick. :p

The government already said it wasn't a weather balloon, but some upper atmosphere balloon used to listen for nuclear blasts over the USSR.

The "bodies" were realistic test dummies that were dropped from about 65,000ft to test high altitude parachutes used in the SR-71 and U-2 spy plane.

All Roswell is, is a bunch of stupid fools constantly trying to get there voice heard.

I do believe aliens exist, but doubt they come here, and doubt most UFO sightings.

That explains a lot, but coffins for test-dummies? Well, unless they were just cases. Or the guy's not telling the truth.

Space-time warping.

Proof of this has been seen on NSG in "time warps".

Of course, warping space-time leads to some REALLY fucked up measurements.

Alien 1: Okay, so we need to travel an hour forward in this lightyear to maintain our schedule.
Alien 2: Wait...We need to travel a light year an hour?
Alien 1: No, we need to travel an hour a lightyear.
Alien 2: ...
Elvis's Brain: OOOO YOU AIN'T NOTHIN' BUT A HOUND DOG...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html
Minor image warning. Not terribly disturbing, but thought I might as well mention it.



What do you think? Were their really aliens? Were there not really aliens, but the guy wanted to get some publicity after death? Was he delusional? Is he playing a really bad joke?

I'm not quite sure what to think, but I have doubts about their actually being UFOs.

I'm neither a believer in this sort of thing or a die-hard skeptic, so this confession interests me. I really hope it's authentic.. I may not be a believer, but "I Want To Believe."

What would be really funny is if more government officials piped up with this sort of thing (post-mortem or otherwise), the skeptics that had been previously asking "Why would the government lie to us?" would now be accusing it of doing just that. xD

That explains a lot, but coffins for test-dummies? Well, unless they were just cases. Or the guy's not telling the truth.

Why would the military even use coffins for aliens?

They were just boxes.

I dunno about particles - at the rate we're developing metallic glasses and metallurgical oddities here on Earth, it seems like making a space-ship capable of taking a beating would be the easy part - it's the propulsion that's the trick. :p

I'm not sure, all I know is that the web page I can't seem to find anymore was QUITE the read. It described every method of interstellar space travel pretty fluently, and talked about the reasons why almost all of them are useless.
It had stuff on generation ships, the Methuselah idealogy, FTL, everything.

Why would the military even use coffins for aliens?

They were just boxes.

Yeah, probably. They'd just body-bag an actual alien, odds are.

I dunno about particles - at the rate we're developing metallic glasses and metallurgical oddities here on Earth, it seems like making a space-ship capable of taking a beating would be the easy part - it's the propulsion that's the trick. :p

Didn't someone actually bring transparent aluminum into the real world a while ago?

Yeah, probably. They'd just body-bag an actual alien, odds are.

They'd body bag any dead person/alien on the scene, but never put them in a coffin.

I'm not sure, all I know is that the web page I can't seem to find anymore was QUITE the read. It described every method of interstellar space travel pretty fluently, and talked about the reasons why almost all of them are useless.
It had stuff on generation ships, the Methuselah idealogy, FTL, everything.

Yeah, it seems to me like if we're going to travel the stars in the next few hundred years, we're basically going to end up aiming for something relatively close, packing a load of stuff up and just waiting the few decades to get there. Sucks, but it's better than nothing I guess.

They'd body bag any dead person/alien on the scene, but never put them in a coffin.

I was assuming the coffins were for later, in case the personnel involved were so top-secret their families weren't allowed to know enough even to arrange the funeral or have a say in the casket. But any kind of coffin purchase wouldn't make sense for dummies or aliens, which is the important bit.

I was assuming the coffins were for later, in case the personnel involved were so top-secret their families weren't allowed to know enough even to arrange the funeral or have a say in the casket. But any kind of coffin purchase wouldn't make sense for dummies or aliens, which is the important bit.

They found wills in the spaceship/weather balloon. The aliens/dummies specifically asked not to be cremated, I believe.

worm holes. Not moving faster than light, just a shorter distance.

They found wills in the spaceship/weather balloon. The aliens/dummies specifically asked not to be cremated, I believe.

The plot thickens! :p

This is a joke. A flying saucer would be among the most impractical type of spacecraft imagineable. There is no such thing as FTL travel and never can be as it is a violation of current laws and theories of physics which have been tested to many decimal places. Any side-stepping FTL drive system would be technically impossible either due to power consumption or an inability to manipulate space/time in the required manners specieified by the theoretical drives.

Also, there is only a narrow band of stars (only about 10 percent or less will fall within the band) within this galaxy and most spirals that are sufficiently rich in a variety of elements but not subject to planet swapping during frequent star system collisions (nothing usually happens, planets and junk just get pulled every which way and flung into deep space) or other hostile-to-formation-of-life events. 90 percent of all stars in the galaxy are red dwarfs and are inhospitable because while they are usually cold, keeping the habitable zone close to the star, they are known for frequent flaring. And then the close orbits will tidally lock worlds so one side gets baked while the other freezes. There are well over a hundred other requirements for the planets to even be habitable to any form of life conceiveable and even if all are met there is still only a very low chance of the right amino acids just happening to float close enough in a puddle of goo to form proteins. And then that life has to progress beyond tapeworm or fungus before it can start exploring space. And anything that may start exploring space would encounter the same problems with sublight drive and lightspeed restrictions.

Besides, wasn't there some documentary detailing exactly how that "autopsy" was faked and the whole thing made up?

at no point in time will anyone on any world know all there is to know about anything, so all this talk of what is and isn't possible, is just as rediculous as the tinfoil hats. all we can objectively say is what we think is probable in the context of what we think we know. and while that certainly doesn't favor ftl by any means yet immagined, i'm not betting my lifesavers either way.

the military may have majorly screwed up a roswell, killing aliens in a disable craft by prying it open and letting their breathing mixture escape. but there's a context to roswell, and other such places, like area 51 and all that, which people seem to forget entirely as soon as someone mentions possible visitors from 'out there'. reality is, there WERE militarily sensitive things going on there, with or without 'alien visitors', and the origens of ufo cover up, could be a bit of sour grapes over the military not letting the locals in on what it was up to.

there's a whole ton of politics to this both ways, so deep and thick, that any possible alien boddies could very well get obscured in the double shuffle.

i don't buy that there couldn't have been, nor that there had to have been, but rather that the military had a lot else to hid and was doing so.

to bussy doing so to come up with more then the flimsiest sounding sorts of denials where the possibility of aliens, real or immagined might be concerned.

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Meh. Meh to the entirety of Roswell.

Meh. Meh to the entirety of Roswell.

i agree that the pertinence of roswell to the question of sentient life on other worlds is very nearly nil.

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I'm not quite sure what to think, but I have doubts about their actually being UFOs.

Aliens at Roswell = BS. Trust Hollywood to milk any BS for all it's worth, and even more.

UFO means just that : Unidentified Flying Object. More than 99% of UFO sightings has been explained in very terrestrial terms (jokes, faux, unregistered flights, mirages and optical effects, electromagnetical effects etc). The other 1% is probabily the very same thing.

FTL travel isn't possible, and all the other methods of interstellar space travel are silly. So no, there aren't any aliens.

Such certainty. Wow. :p

Can there any longer be any doubt? The Air Force shot down a whole family of fairies! Then covered it up!

FTL? Flying saucers? Little green men? Maybe.

But why the heck would they be hanging around a two-bit galactic backwater like this. It's not like there was intelligent life down here. :p

FTL? Flying saucers? Little green men? Maybe.

But why the heck would they be hanging around a two-bit galactic backwater like this. It's not like there was intelligent life down here. :p

Tacos. They come here for the tacos. *nod*

FTL? Flying saucers? Little green men? Maybe.

But why the heck would they be hanging around a two-bit galactic backwater like this. It's not like there was intelligent life down here. :pThey use us like cattle.

The government already said it wasn't a weather balloon, but some upper atmosphere balloon used to listen for nuclear blasts over the USSR.

The "bodies" were realistic test dummies that were dropped from about 65,000ft to test high altitude parachutes used in the SR-71 and U-2 spy plane.

All Roswell is, is a bunch of stupid fools constantly trying to get there voice heard.

I do believe aliens exist, but doubt they come here, and doubt most UFO sightings.


In actuality the test dummy story makes no sense. The dummy test happened in 1954 not 1947. The government claims all those people that have seen bodies just got their dates mixed up. Our Government has had so many explanations for Roswell over the years and destroyed or "Lost" so many of the documents that they don't even know the truth.
I have always been fond of the crashed V-2 with test monkeys story. That one is the only one that has made any sense.

They use us like cattle.

Dairy or meat production? Or do they just wait until we are asleep and tip us over?

The universe is to big for us to be only life form. But I don't believe most of the story's

Can there any longer be any doubt? The Air Force shot down a whole family of fairies! Then covered it up!

Nah, they were Santa's elves.

Dairy or meat production? Or do they just wait until we are asleep and tip us over?
No, no no, it's for the ultimate fight!

Nah, they were Santa's elves.


No it was Santa. They covered it up and planted an alien story to start debates like this! Bastards shot down Santa!

No, no no, it's for the ultimate fight!

Shame as I was just envisaging an intergalactic chain of humanburger restuarants...

Shame as I was just envisaging an intergalactic chain of humanburger restuarants...Hmm, would I rather being eaten as a hamburger or used as a host for Aliens?

Decisions, decisions....:p

In actuality the test dummy story makes no sense. The dummy test happened in 1954 not 1947. The government claims all those people that have seen bodies just got their dates mixed up. Our Government has had so many explanations for Roswell over the years and destroyed or "Lost" so many of the documents that they don't even know the truth.
I have always been fond of the crashed V-2 with test monkeys story. That one is the only one that has made any sense.

The bodies weren't connected to Roswell until the 70s, when someone wrote a book and linked everything they could together to make a buck. At the actual time of Roswell, no one ever mentioned bodies of any sort whatsoever. No one even thought it was an alien spacecraft, because it bloody obviously wasn't.