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Check this website out (www.theflatearthsociety.org)

And look at their faq (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0)

Apparently these wacko's believe the earth is flat, I swear to you this site is real, and the organization has existed for almost a century I believe (according to a certain book).

The FAQ is hilarious:

"Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead "

And while you're at it: The Earth Is Not Moving (http://www.fixedearth.com/)

BTW When did they get a new website? The Flat Earth Society -- Home (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

BTW 2 believing in a flat earth is in fact not any more wackier than believing in G-d.

I had no idea there were others like me!

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle. What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

I find this one funny:

Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

They failed 3rd grade Astronomy class didn't they?

What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

But still laughable? Please say still laughable...

What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

^^^*wins*^^^

What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

Ok, they gotta be a joke. That's straight out of Discworld.

But still laughable? Please say still laughable...

Oh yeah, I don't believe it, but I find it interesting. The theory involves the illuminati .. aliens .. lizard men .. all sorts of cool stuff. hehe

Check this website out (www.theflatearthsociety.org)

And look at their faq (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0)

Apparently these wacko's believe the earth is flat, I swear to you this site is real, and the organization has existed for almost a century I believe (according to a certain book).

The FAQ is hilarious:

"Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead "

One of my favorite FAQ answer: "Antarctica as a continent does not exist."

There's nothing so stupid that somebody won't believe it.

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

Oh please, you wish it was turtles, everyone know that Sloths are the one holding up the flat earth!

Oh please, you wish it was turtles, everyone know that Sloths are the one holding up the flat earth!

You go right ahead and thing that. But one day I'm going to bungee jump off the edge of the world and take pictures of the turtles. Just you wait.

This is what they believe it looks like:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1264&start=16

Oh yeah, I don't believe it, but I find it interesting. The theory involves the illuminati .. aliens .. lizard men .. all sorts of cool stuff. hehe

Whew, that's ok then.

A pic from one of their menber's sig:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8627/magicls2.jpg

EDIT:I'm in ur thread, unbreakin ur page

You go right ahead and thing that. But one day I'm going to bungee jump off the edge of the world and take pictures of the turtles. Just you wait.

Fine, but once you find out that it's Sloths, then you owe me a million dollars!

Fine, but once you find out that it's Sloths, then you owe me a million dollars!

Fine. And when you see that it's turtles you owe me a bazillion dollars.

Fine. And when you see that it's turtles you owe me a bazillion dollars.

That's not a real number! But I will pay you a million dollars if it is indeed turtles.

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

Don't be absurd. It's elephants, THEN turtles.

That's not a real number! But I will pay you a million dollars if it is indeed turtles.

You're not a real number!

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

I heard some story where some professor was explaining something about the earth, and this woman said something like "No, it's on top of a turtle!" and the professor looked at her and asked "What's the turtle on top of?" "A BIGGER turtle!" "Uh huh. What's that turtle on top of?" "ANOTHER turtle!"

Anyway, isn't that four elephants and a turtle thing from Discworld?

I heard some story where some professor was explaining something about the earth, and this woman said something like "No, it's on top of a turtle!" and the professor looked at her and asked "What's the turtle on top of?" "A BIGGER turtle!" "Uh huh. What's that turtle on top of?" "ANOTHER turtle!"
As ever, wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down) knows all.

Anyway, isn't that four elephants and a turtle thing from Discworld?

Yes it is. Plagiarism perhaps?

They contradict them selfs so much! Have you read the FAQ? The guy doesn't answer the question he justs talks for a while and avoids the question.

Yes it is. Plagiarism perhaps?


Sue! Sue! Sue!

Seriously, I wonder how many members of the Flat Earth Society are just members as a joke.

Someone should confuse them by telling them the world is round, but they are in the inside of the sphere. Watch them come up with arguments over that.

how does gravity work on a flat earth?

how does gravity work on a flat earth?

Apparently the earth is constantly speeding upwards.

Apparently the earth is constantly speeding upwards.

AAAAAHHH!!! I can see the roof!!!!

how does gravity work on a flat earth?

Our toe nails are actually magnets, and the turtle's shell is attracting them.

how does gravity work on a flat earth?

Magnets. Really, really big magnets.

EDIT: Damn you Ruffy! *shakes fist*

Some group came up with a theory saying that the world is an egg. The stuff on the earth is on the inside of the shell, the sun is the yolk, etc, etc.

I think it might've been one tribe of american indians.

Sue! Sue! Sue!

Seriously, I wonder how many members of the Flat Earth Society are just members as a joke.
I'd say quite a few. A lot of the people on the forums seem to be there to challenge the flat earth theory.
how does gravity work on a flat earth?

The earth(and presumably everything else in this part of the universe) is, apparently, moving upwards.

Some group came up with a theory saying that the world is an egg. The stuff on the earth is on the inside of the shell, the sun is the yolk, etc, etc.

I think it might've been one tribe of american indians.

I heard that the earth is closer to an egg shape then it is to a perfect sphere. Can someone confirm or deny this?

EDIT: Damn you Ruffy! *shakes fist*

Hah! Take that, you Fascist!

I heard that the earth is closer to an egg shape then it is to a perfect sphere. Can someone confirm or deny this?

It's an oblate spheroid. In other words, it's shaped like a beachball someone's sitting on.

It's an oblate spheroid. In other words, it's shaped like a beachball someone's sitting on.

So it's sort of like a sideways egg, right?

The earth(and presumably everything else in this part of the universe) is, apparently, moving upwards.

...

What happens when we hit the ceiling?

So it's sort of like a sideways egg, right?

An egg is oval.

I remember the time my main forum raided the Flat Earth Society.

The idiot who admins their site didn't even put a limiting/scroll code on sig size, so one guy put a giant (>2000x2000 pixel) picture of Earth from space in his signature, and made all the idiot FE's scroll through it.

Fun times...

An egg is oval.

But it's SORT of like that, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_earth
*nods*

The geoid section is quite interesting - gravity screws with your measurements...

And while you're at it: The Earth Is Not Moving (http://www.fixedearth.com/)

BTW When did they get a new website? The Flat Earth Society -- Home (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

BTW 2 believing in a flat earth is in fact not any more wackier than believing in G-d.

Upon clicking on the "Fighting the Evidence" link is a page under construction.

:headbang::headbang:

These people deserve to be shot.

They have no knowledge of science what-so-ever. They think we'd go flying around if the Earth spun. I guess that "Newton" was an evil and lying man.

These people deserve to be shot.

They may be stupid, but certainly do not deserve that.


On a side note, anyone read 'Flatland' or 'Flatterland'?

So it's sort of like a sideways egg, right?

But it's SORT of like that, right?
Not really. But that doewsn't mean it's not an egg, I guess.
...

What happens when we hit the ceiling?
Well the Earth might have enough energy to smash through, but either way I figure we'll all get smushed.

Some group came up with a theory saying that the world is an egg. The stuff on the earth is on the inside of the shell, the sun is the yolk, etc, etc.

I think it might've been one tribe of american indians.That's called a Dyson sphere (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dyson_Sphere).... :) (also on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere))

The earth(and presumably everything else in this part of the universe) is, apparently, moving upwards.And? As in an elevator? So when you move as fast as the earth, there should be no gravity at all. Someone should explain to these folks the concept of relativity.

An egg is oval.Of course. And egg is always egg-shaped...

That's called a Dyson sphere (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dyson_Sphere).... :) (also on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere))

Ok, that's just cool.

And? As in an elevator? So when you move as fast as the earth, there should be no gravity at all. Someone should explain to these folks the concept of relativity.

Well ok, they should have said accelerating.

...

What happens when we hit the ceiling?

You fall back down, as seen in Wizardry 8's occasional Ascension glitch.

And? As in an elevator? So when you move as fast as the earth, there should be no gravity at all. Someone should explain to these folks the concept of relativity.

No, they have the science right on that bit. The earth, sun, moon and stars are all accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2

At least, according to their FAQ.

Well ok, they should have said accelerating.Well, in order to maintain a certain gravity/acceleration factor, the earth must keep increasing speed. So now here comes the question: how fast can it go and what is the accelerating force?
No, they have the science right on that bit. The earth, sun, moon and stars are all accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2You know what it would mean to have acceleration by increasing speed instead of gravitational pull by mass?

Well, in order to maintain a certain gravity factor, the earth must keep accelerating. So now here comes the question: how fast can it go and what is the accelerating force?

You know what it would mean to have acceleration by increasing speed instead of gravitational pull by mass?

The answer to both those involves c, I'd guess.

The answer to both those involves c, I'd guess.how? by speeding faster than c ?

how? by speeding faster than c ?

Sorry, I thought you were leading into something like this:

Well, in order to maintain a certain gravity/acceleration factor, the earth must keep increasing speed. So now here comes the question: how fast can it go and what is the accelerating force?

It can only go as fast as the speed of light, therefore limiting the time it could accelerate. This doesn't take into account time dilation and all that stuff, so you could accelerate constantly at 1G for an essentially infinite period.



You know what it would mean to have acceleration by increasing speed instead of gravitational pull by mass?
Yeah, time dilation again.

It can only go as fast as the speed of light, therefore limiting the time it could accelerate. This doesn't take into account time dilation and all that stuff, so you could accelerate constantly at 1G for an essentially infinite period.No, you can't. Time dilation only happens within the accelerated system (relative to the surrounding space) but not in the surrounding space through which the accelerating system moves. There is no way that any thing could be constantly accelerated at 1G. Not in this universe.

You know, the Flat Earth looks like a coin, which makes me wonder: what would the Flat Earth yield in a vending machine?

That's called a Dyson sphere (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dyson_Sphere).... :) (also on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere))

Or, my preferred inhabitable orbital theorized object, a Ringworld/Niven Ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Ringworld-sketch.jpg/751px-Ringworld-sketch.jpg

Yeah, sure, it's well known, but it's still cool.

But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.Pfft, spheres don't make any sense at all. Surely gravity would just cause all the water to drop off the bottom of a sphere. Whereas a flat earth would keep the water all safely on the surface of the Earth.

Pfft, spheres don't make any sense at all. Surely gravity would just cause all the water to drop off the bottom of a sphere. Whereas a flat earth would keep the water all safely on the surface of the Earth.

Unless we are on a sphere and we are not safe.

No, you can't. Time dilation only happens within the accelerated system (relative to the surrounding space) but not in the surrounding space through which the accelerating system moves. There is no way that any thing could be constantly accelerated at 1G. Not in this universe.Wouldn't the obvious answer be a system comparable to a bucket full water being swung round on a piece of rope in a circular motion. So obviously the sun and the earth are rotating around a fixed point which causes the water and us to stay 'fixed' to the surface of the Earth.

edit: Day and night are caused by by the sun being further away from this central point of orbit and having a differing rotational speed to the Earth. This causes the sun to look smaller in the middle of the day and then appear bigger as the Earth gets closer to sun and evenutally orbiting infront of the sun and blocking out its light.

The difference in the length day and night during the course of the year is caused by the Earth having a circular orbit and the sun having an elliptical orbit. When the sun is further away from the centre of orbit this causes it to disappear below the horizon of the earth earlier in the day and thus cause the nights to be longer, and vice versa.

This same elliptical orbit also causes the seasons, as when the sun is further away we recieve less of its warming rays, thus causing winter, which also coincides with longer nights. More evidence that my theories are right.

God damn, I could so easily make a living as a cult leader spouting off lies and myths to my flock of stupid humans. I wonder if you need a degree to be a cult leader.

I wonder how the Earth was formed if it's flat?

If it was formed by ordinary gravity then a flat world would not really be possible. The materials would be pulled into a sphere.

Unless we are on a sphere and we are not safe.Prove that we are on sphere. If you walk around the Earth with a long piece of rope and then hold both ends and tug then if we are on a sphere then you should be able to pull all the rope back to yourself as we are on a sphere and it will just slip round the edges. If, however, we are on a disc then you won't be able to do this as the rope will get stuck as you try to pull it back over a mountain.

I wonder how the Earth was formed if it's flat?

If it was formed by ordinary gravity then a flat world would not really be possible. The materials would be pulled into a sphere.Well if you theory of gravity and mass is true then why doesn't all mass 'gravitate' into towards each other and into spheres. If I stood next to you would I be attracted to you? No, because I ain't no homo. And you only have to look at the average American to know that gravity and mass aren't related. Your average american is well fat, yet he still has arms and legs and a head. Why hasn't gravity turned him into a perfect sphere?

Well if you theory of gravity and mass is true then why doesn't all mass 'gravitate' into towards each other and into spheres. If I stood next to you would I be attracted to you? No, because I ain't no homo. And you only have to look at the average American to know that gravity and mass aren't related. Your average american is well fat, yet he still has arms and legs and a head. Why hasn't gravity turned him into a perfect sphere?

Because the strength of gravity is dependent on mass (and distance, but even a distance of one micron wouldn't be enough to make up for a human's inconsequential mass).

We have an equation for gravitational strength, deary. I like Newton's Law of Gravitational Attraction.

F = G((m1*m2)/r^2)

And TID:
You are joking, right?

<small snip>
On a side note, anyone read 'Flatland' or 'Flatterland'?
I still haven't, but I read A.K.Dewdney's 'The Planiverse' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planiverse) as a teenager, which was largely based on Abbot's ideas. From time to time I'd remember something in it, and I've always meant to track down a copy of Flatland, but kept forgetting.

Thanks for the reminder :D

Flat Earth Society? So that's where all that spiked pot went.

And TID:
You are joking, right?

Aye. What tipped you off? The bit where I'm talking about gravitational attraction, and then suddenly switch of homosexual attraction and back again?

Damn.

I was going to respond to your post about gravity and distance I probably would have talked about you being selective in your application of the law of gravity. And that you start from a false premise - that the earth is a sphere and so has enough mass to cause this gravity you speak. When in actual fact I have shown the earth to be flat, and therefore have less mass and thus rubbishing your theory of gravity. And then maybe question the application of gravity to the sun. Like why do scientists claim that the Earth revolves around the sun when it is so far away from earth - thus negating any gravitational effect due to distance. I mean it's not as if the sun can have much mass anyway - it is after all only the size of a quarter.

Then I might reenforce my theory. I'd talk about the bucket and the rope. And say that the earth and sun are connected to the centre of the universe via ropes, which is what causes them to rotate around the centre of the universe. Only you can't see the rope, just like you can't see the string they use to animate the puppets in puppet TV shows like the Thunderbirds.

I'd then say the string doesn't get caught up because the sun and the Earth revolve around a pole, but at slightly different heights, which is what causes the sun to follow an arc through the sky rather than pass directly overhead in a straight line.

BTW 2 believing in a flat earth is in fact not any more wackier than believing in G-d.

It is, at least (modern, major religion) theists have the excuse that their deity/deities are intangible, these people have to rely on a vast conspiracy that somehow lets them continue but doesn't allow them to get proof.

That's not a real number! But I will pay you a million dollars if it is indeed turtles.

You're not a real number!

Wilgrove is an Imaginary number! :eek:

I really dislike imaginary numbers. Wilgrove, you have to change your nature into a non-imaginary number.

Our toe nails are actually magnets, and the turtle's shell is attracting them.

WRONG! It is McGuyver, making the mechanical hamsters jump using a combination of wood glue, half of a monopoly set and a pair of hedge clippers!

Or, my preferred inhabitable orbital theorized object, a Ringworld/Niven Ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld).
*Image cut*
Yeah, sure, it's well known, but it's still cool.

I prefer Dyson bubbles myself. They require less material.

Aye. What tipped you off? The bit where I'm talking about gravitational attraction, and then suddenly switch of homosexual attraction and back again?

Damn.

I was going to respond to your post about gravity and distance I probably would have talked about you being selective in your application of the law of gravity. And that you start from a false premise - that the earth is a sphere and so has enough mass to cause this gravity you speak. When in actual fact I have shown the earth to be flat, and therefore have less mass and thus rubbishing your theory of gravity. And then maybe question the application of gravity to the sun. Like why do scientists claim that the Earth revolves around the sun when it is so far away from earth - thus negating any gravitational effect due to distance. I mean it's not as if the sun can have much mass anyway - it is after all only the size of a quarter.

Then I might reenforce my theory. I'd talk about the bucket and the rope. And say that the earth and sun are connected to the centre of the universe via ropes, which is what causes them to rotate around the centre of the universe. Only you can't see the rope, just like you can't see the string they use to animate the puppets in puppet TV shows like the Thunderbirds.

I'd then say the string doesn't get caught up because the sun and the Earth revolve around a pole, but at slightly different heights, which is what causes the sun to follow an arc through the sky rather than pass directly overhead in a straight line.

Thank heavens. :)

Ah, but what then is the Earth's mass if it is flat?
I'm willing to bet it'll still be an amount larger than that of our Moon in the spherical Earth theory, which holds itself as a sphere pretty well.

But the mass of the Sun cannot be small if it is held to be so far away, as the far away bit is an aspect of the spherical Earth theory, which also requires that it be large in mass.
It can be small and close as in the FE theory or far and big as in the RE theory. Mixing the two (far, small) in order to claim that the SE theory be false is starting from a false premise, and one that is held by neither side.
The Sun also requires a large mass in order to undergo stellar fusion, or how else would the massive pressures required be generated?

And why would the rope be invisible? It can't just be 'because it is'.

N.B. I can't find the formation of the Earth problem anywhere on the FES forums, even using the search function. Why not?
Meh. They claim everything's a conspiracy; I say that they're conspiring and deleting any post which might cause them difficulty. :)

@Soleichunn:
Hamiltonian numbers are worse.

At least ordinary, decent imaginary numbers are commutative...

I prefer Dyson bubbles myself. They require less material.

Of the Dyson-based megastructures, the Matrishka Brain has got to be the coolest.

Guys, It's all a big Joke. Notice the bottom copyright thing.

"The Flat Earth Society is not in any way responsible for the failure of the French to repel the Germans at the Maginot Line during WWII. Nor is the Flat Earth Society responsible for the recent yeti sightings outside the Vatican, or for the unfortunate enslavement of the Nabisco Inc. factory employees by a rogue hamster insurrectionist group. Furthermore, we are not responsible for the loss of one or more of the following, which may possibly occur as the result of exposing one's self to the dogmatic and dangerously subversive statements made within: life, limb, vision, Francois Mitterand, hearing, taste, smell, touch, thumb, Aunt Mildred, citizenship, spleen, bedrock, cloves, I Love Lucy reruns, toaster, pine derby racer, toy duck, antelope, horseradish, prosthetic ankle, double-cheeseburger, tin foil, limestone, watermelon-scented air freshner, sanity, paprika, German to Pig Latin dictionary, dish towel, pet Chihuahua, pogo stick, Golf Digest subscription, floor tile, upper torso or halibut.
Copyright © 1998 Flat Earth Society Inc. All rights reserved." :)

So it's sort of like a sideways egg, right?

Yeah.

@Soleichunn:
Hamiltonian numbers are worse.

At least ordinary, decent imaginary numbers are commutative...

*Brain a-splodes* I suck at maths... So I kind of see what you mean by Hamiltonian equations (after looking at a wiki article).

Of the Dyson-based megastructures, the Matrishka Brain has got to be the coolest.

I'd agree with you there. A solar system wide city would be really cool as well.

*Brain a-splodes* I suck at maths... So I kind of see what you mean by Hamiltonian equations (after looking at a wiki article).



I'd agree with you there. A solar system wide city would be really cool as well.

Hey, I'm 15. People should be amazed that I even know what they are. :)
Hamiltonian numbers are not nice, so don't worry.

A solar system wide city? :eek:
And I thought an ecumenopolis was extreme...

Hey, I'm 15. People should be amazed that I even know what they are. :)
Hamiltonian numbers are not nice, so don't worry.

A solar system wide city? :eek:
And I thought an ecumenopolis was extreme...

15! What level mathamatics are you studying?

Well, if we were going to have a Matrishka Brain (uses the most energy) you might as well mention something that uses the most matter. To build something on that magnitude you'd probably have to get all material within 5k light years, more likely much more than that...

15! What level mathamatics are you studying?

Well, if we were going to have a Matrishka Brain (uses the most energy) you might as well mention something that uses the most matter. To build something on that magnitude you'd probably have to get all material within 5k light years, more likely much more than that...

I would have disagreed with such an extravagant figure (5,000 light years) but, thinking about it, it's not unreasonable.

Ordinary GCSE, although I've studied calculus at lunchtimes and just general advanced mathematics all the time.

Guys, It's all a big Joke. Notice the bottom copyright thing.

"The Flat Earth Society is not in any way responsible for the failure of the French to repel the Germans at the Maginot Line during WWII. Nor is the Flat Earth Society responsible for the recent yeti sightings outside the Vatican, or for the unfortunate enslavement of the Nabisco Inc. factory employees by a rogue hamster insurrectionist group. Furthermore, we are not responsible for the loss of one or more of the following, which may possibly occur as the result of exposing one's self to the dogmatic and dangerously subversive statements made within: life, limb, vision, Francois Mitterand, hearing, taste, smell, touch, thumb, Aunt Mildred, citizenship, spleen, bedrock, cloves, I Love Lucy reruns, toaster, pine derby racer, toy duck, antelope, horseradish, prosthetic ankle, double-cheeseburger, tin foil, limestone, watermelon-scented air freshner, sanity, paprika, German to Pig Latin dictionary, dish towel, pet Chihuahua, pogo stick, Golf Digest subscription, floor tile, upper torso or halibut.
Copyright © 1998 Flat Earth Society Inc. All rights reserved." :)

Who the hell would mess with people's minds like this?!? :eek:

Who the hell would mess with people's minds like this?!? :eek:

You?

Also, I can't find the disclaimer...

Who the hell would mess with people's minds like this?!? :eek:

Probably someone with a remarkably similar sense of humor to you.

I would have disagreed with such an extravagant figure (5,000 light years) but, thinking about it, it's not unreasonable.

Ordinary GCSE, although I've studied calculus at lunchtimes and just general advanced mathematics all the time.

Wilki time!

There may not be sufficient building material in the Solar system to construct a Dyson shell. Dyson's original estimate was that there was enough material in the Solar system for a 1 AU shell 3 meters thick, but this included hydrogen and helium which are unlikely to be much use as building material. Anders Sandberg estimates that there is 1.82×10^26 kg of usable building material in the Solar system, enough for a 1 AU shell with a surface density of 600 kg/m2—about 8–20 cm thick depending on the density of the material. This includes the cores of the gas giants, which may be hard to access; the inner planets alone provide only 11.79×10^24 kg, enough for a 1 AU shell with a surface density of just 42 kg/m2.[9]

I'd say that you could use a lot more material if you recombines the lighter elements into heavier elements but still that wouldn't make a very deep shell (you'd still need the sun as an energy source). A city spanning the solar system (in all directions), even at a cutoff point of Neptune rather than the Oort cloud, would require an immense amount of material.

Bleh, I only got a 59% for my year 10 mathamatical methods class. Biology interested me more. Not going to the classes didn't help my maths skills much either... So stay in school?

Oh, and you study that in GCSE?!

lol, you only found out about this site now?

Heavengames found it last year, and leached all of their bandwidth with spam :rolleyes:

Thank heavens. :);) I get into odd moods ocassionally.

Ah, but what then is the Earth's mass if it is flat?
I'm willing to bet it'll still be an amount larger than that of our Moon in the spherical Earth theory, which holds itself as a sphere pretty well.Ah, but the moon isn't a sphere. It's a 3D-concave shape which is why it appears like a circle or a crescent depending upon the angle you look at it from. So both the moon and the earth can have very little mass.

But the mass of the Sun cannot be small if it is held to be so far away, as the far away bit is an aspect of the spherical Earth theory, which also requires that it be large in mass.
It can be small and close as in the FE theory or far and big as in the RE theory. Mixing the two (far, small) in order to claim that the SE theory be false is starting from a false premise, and one that is held by neither side.
The Sun also requires a large mass in order to undergo stellar fusion, or how else would the massive pressures required be generated?Damn I was going to link you to webcomic I was referencing when I mentioned the quarter, but I can't find it. Anyway, the sun is just a lamp with a battery and God changes the battery during the night... or something.

And why would the rope be invisible? It can't just be 'because it is'.It isn't invisible. They use fishing reel string in TV puppet shows. It is transparent, and when filmed it virtually disapeared. :p

N.B. I can't find the formation of the Earth problem anywhere on the FES forums, even using the search function. Why not?
Meh. They claim everything's a conspiracy; I say that they're conspiring and deleting any post which might cause them difficulty. :)Even their conspiracy is a conspiracy. Which means what they claim to be a conspiracy is actually the truth, and unless of course it is actually a conspiracy. Or something.

Who the hell would mess with people's minds like this?!? :eek:

Suddenly it all makes sense.

You?

Also, I can't find the disclaimer...

I swear that other than warping the fragile minds of most of the scientific community, I most likely had little to do with this.

Though admittedly, there are some alcohol-induced blank spots punctuated by hazy memories of me swinging a globe at someone. *nod*

Theory my arse!

It was proven more than two millenia ago by looking at the Earth's shadow on the moon.

Also, they shoot themselves in the foot with this Maddoxical statement:
Q: Why hasn’t this site been shut down by the government?

A: Doing so would prove that the government is hiding something.

What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

DISCWORLD REFERENCE!

At any rate, I do think the http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm link IS a joke. Otherwise they prooooobably wouldn't have said that Christopher Columbus was Grigorij Efimovich Rasputin.

I swear that other than warping the fragile minds of most of the scientific community, I most likely had little to do with this.

Though admittedly, there are some alcohol-induced blank spots punctuated by hazy memories of me swinging a globe at someone. *nod*

It was a play-doh globe wasn't it! Thats why they think the earth is flat: They have a squished globe on their faces.

Does this mean the earth is held up by human faces with the acceleration given by increasing attempts to exhale?

Theory my arse!

It was proven more than two millenia ago by looking at the Earth's shadow on the moon.

Also, they shoot themselves in the foot with this Maddoxical statement:

That is exactly what I'd expect someone from New Jersey to say...

Suddenly it all makes sense.

Noobody can prove a thing. All pertinent documents have been shredded. :)

Wilki time!



I'd say that you could use a lot more material if you recombines the lighter elements into heavier elements but still that wouldn't make a very deep shell (you'd still need the sun as an energy source). A city spanning the solar system (in all directions), even at a cutoff point of Neptune rather than the Oort cloud, would require an immense amount of material.

Bleh, I only got a 59% for my year 10 mathamatical methods class. Biology interested me more. Not going to the classes didn't help my maths skills much either... So stay in school?

Oh, and you study that in GCSE?!

Ah, Wikipedia. It is God.
Which, coincidentally, spells it as Matrioshka Brain. You've been spelling it as Matrishka. :)

Biology bores me. Physics pwns.
It's not part of the course; I just happen to be incredibly interested in mathematics, so I pester my maths teachers and read the mathematics section of Wikipedia. :)

;) I get into odd moods ocassionally.

Ah, but the moon isn't a sphere. It's a 3D-concave shape which is why it appears like a circle or a crescent depending upon the angle you look at it from. So both the moon and the earth can have very little mass.

Damn I was going to link you to webcomic I was referencing when I mentioned the quarter, but I can't find it. Anyway, the sun is just a lamp with a battery and God changes the battery during the night... or something.

It isn't invisible. They use fishing reel string in TV puppet shows. It is transparent, and when filmed it virtually disapeared. :p

Even their conspiracy is a conspiracy. Which means what they claim to be a conspiracy is actually the truth, and unless of course it is actually a conspiracy. Or something.

Give me time to think about this one. I need sleep...

I swear that other than warping the fragile minds of most of the scientific community, I most likely had little to do with this.

Though admittedly, there are some alcohol-induced blank spots punctuated by hazy memories of me swinging a globe at someone. *nod*

Typical. No photographs.

Noobody can prove a thing. All pertinent documents have been shredded. :)

I have photographic evidence. :p

I have photographic evidence. :p

The ninja clowns will be along shortly. Don't bother running. :)

The ninja clowns will be along shortly. Don't bother running. :)

*burp*

Send me another please.

Galileo spent all that time in prison for a reason?:eek:

I loved Flat Earth until I read a bit a found that it's tounge-in-cheek. Too good to be true - it figures. :p

These guys (http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/i-have-a-doubt/) do it better. One can never be sure if they really beleive what they are saying.

I think the makers of that website are just in it for the humor, I doubt ANYONE beleives that the earth rests on the back of a turtle or an elephant...though some of the people who frequent there actually do beleive in a flat earth.

I think the makers of that website are just in it for the humor, I doubt ANYONE beleives that the earth rests on the back of a turtle or an elephant...though some of the people who frequent there actually do beleive in a flat earth.

Yeah. It's kind of a shame, too, because the ancient arguments in favor of a tabernacle-shaped universe are actually kind of fun. :p

It's more fun to argue about flat space vs curved space time.

The Flat Earth Society is not in any way responsible for the failure of the French to repel the Germans at the Maginot Line during WWII. Nor is the Flat Earth Society responsible for the recent yeti sightings outside the Vatican, or for the unfortunate enslavement of the Nabisco Inc. factory employees by a rogue hamster insurrectionist group. Furthermore, we are not responsible for the loss of one or more of the following, which may possibly occur as the result of exposing one's self to the dogmatic and dangerously subversive statements made within: life, limb, vision, Francois Mitterand, hearing, taste, smell, touch, thumb, Aunt Mildred, citizenship, spleen, bedrock, cloves, I Love Lucy reruns, toaster, pine derby racer, toy duck, antelope, horseradish, prosthetic ankle, double-cheeseburger, tin foil, limestone, watermelon-scented air freshner, sanity, paprika, German to Pig Latin dictionary, dish towel, pet Chihuahua, pogo stick, Golf Digest subscription, floor tile, upper torso or halibut.

There is no way these guys are for real. No-one can be that… not-for-real… :p

These guys (http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/i-have-a-doubt/) do it better. One can never be sure if they really beleive what they are saying.

It's people such as the ones on that site that give a bad name to humanity.

Religious fundamentalists and Creationists and flat-earthers and all those other idiots...

HAHAHAHA!

I got someone's attention on my latest sophomoric prank.

HAHAHAHA!

I got someone's attention on my latest sophomoric prank.

I see that theatening 90% of NSG and trolling via sig is simply a "sophomoric prank" now. Thank you for telling me of this meme; I had no idea. :)

I see that theatening 90% of NSG and trolling via sig is simply a "sophomoric prank" now. Thank you for telling me of this meme; I had no idea. :)

Check out the mod's sophomoric prank. Way funnier than his.

Check out the mod's sophomoric prank. Way funnier than his.

I see it. It is indeed funnier :p

I see it. It is indeed funnier :p

I agree, I think the mod had much experience in this situations to employ humor.

Kudos.

SO,... back to the topic,.... flat earth, flat space, or flat(single stream) time?

Okay, so I think this is a nutty idea,... if people really believe in a flat earth, how do they explain that when you travel constantly on one direction, you'd reach your starting point?

... dimensional warp ripples in the Great A'Tuin?

Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A: Well, it looks that way up close.

Oh...Case closed! :p

The earth is one dimensional, I have no clue what these radical nut jobs are talking about.

Zombie thread!

http://i15.tinypic.com/63b5i4z

I agree, I think the mod had much experience in this situations to employ humor.

Kudos.

SO,... back to the topic,.... flat earth, flat space, or flat(single stream) time?

Okay, so I think this is a nutty idea,... if people really believe in a flat earth, how do they explain that when you travel constantly on one direction, you'd reach your starting point?

... dimensional warp ripples in the Great A'Tuin?

They say that the Ice Wall is where a compass points, so when you continually go east, it's constantly changing and you keep changing direction around in a circle.

What!? lol


But flat doesn't even make sense. Spheres do. I find the hollow earth theory more interesting.

Well, five giant turtles aren't strong enough, so four of them need to be elephants.

Idiots, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

Hawking reference?

I think this may (or may not) scare some people, but some people that are involved in nut-jobby type "cults" like this are actually... smart and hardworking.

There was this one cult (I don't remember the name, place, etc... bear with me, this is information from my Psychology professor last quarter) that believed that, if they committed suicide in a certain way when a certain comet passed by, they'd go to heaven. Yes. And they were all successful businessmen.

Kinda makes you wonder what the leader would have to say to get these kinds of people involved... :confused:

Hawking reference?

Pratchett, I'd guess.

Hawking reference?
Depends on who you talk to.

An old lady said it to either a colleague of Hawkings, or directly to Bertrand Russell or William James.

Either way, it's a cracking story.

UCK is right as well though; Pratchett uses it in the Discworld series at points.