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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm

On the tv most eye witnesses believe it was deliberate.

edit: better source http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273090,00.html

Quick, surrender your liberties! That'll teach them to envy you them.

Could just have been late for the flight and the duty free caught fire....

Could just have been late for the flight and the duty free caught fire....

Apparently it was on fire before the crash.

Also why would the fire victims fight the police and security?

These last few days have really made me despair of the quality of modern terrorists. How hard can it be to detonate a bomb? So far we've had at least one and possible three car bomb attacks and not one of them's exploded; I'd be more worried if the Chuckle Brothers formed an international terrorist network.

Now the IRA, they knew how to do a good bombing...[/reminisces]

These last few days have really made me despair of the quality of modern terrorists. How hard can it be to detonate a bomb? So far we've had at least one and possible three car bomb attacks and not one of them's exploded; I'd be more worried if the Chuckle Brothers formed an international terrorist network.

Now the IRA, they knew how to do a good bombing...[/reminisces]

It's far more difficult to obtain or make reliable high quality explosives (by that I mean high explosives - not low velocity stuff like gasoline vapor, propane, etc).

It's also difficult to make reliable detonators (the initial blasting caps).

Most of that stuff in the IRA days was either stolen from construction sites, or provided from military sources, including shipments from the former Soviet Union or even the United States (yes, a lot of wannabe Irishmen here in the US financed and supplied the IRA).

These last few days have really made me despair of the quality of modern terrorists. How hard can it be to detonate a bomb? So far we've had at least one and possible three car bomb attacks and not one of them's exploded; I'd be more worried if the Chuckle Brothers formed an international terrorist network.

Now the IRA, they knew how to do a good bombing...[/reminisces]

Well, isnt taking good things and removing their essential qualities one of the greatest aspects of the UK? You took American fast food and removed its single redeeming quality (speed), European food and removed its taste (via boiling), you had an Empire and removed the Imperial-ness.
Now the UK has taken Middle Eastern terrorism and removed the terror.

These last few days have really made me despair of the quality of modern terrorists. How hard can it be to detonate a bomb? So far we've had at least one and possible three car bomb attacks and not one of them's exploded; I'd be more worried if the Chuckle Brothers formed an international terrorist network.

Now the IRA, they knew how to do a good bombing...[/reminisces]

Ahh yes, and they didn't limit their targets to capitals. One of their most devestating attacks was only a few blocks away from me. Those were the days...

Everyone misses the days of the gentlemen terrorists phoning in their bombs

Everyone misses the days of the gentlemen terrorists phoning in their bombs

Especially the bomb squad.

Most of that stuff in the IRA days was either stolen from construction sites, or provided from military sources, including shipments from the former Soviet Union or even the United States (yes, a lot of wannabe Irishmen here in the US financed and supplied the IRA).

Why would they be stealing fertilizer from construction sites?

Ahh yes, and they didn't limit their targets to capitals. One of their most devestating attacks was only a few blocks away from me. Those were the days...

True, very true. Whereever you lived, you still felt like you were a part of it.

Well, isnt taking good things and removing their essential qualities one of the greatest aspects of the UK? You took American fast food and removed its single redeeming quality (speed), European food and removed its taste (via boiling), you had an Empire and removed the Imperial-ness.
Now the UK has taken Middle Eastern terrorism and removed the terror.

I know that quote but I can't quite place it: I'm guessing Douglas Adams. :p

It's far more difficult to obtain or make reliable high quality explosives (by that I mean high explosives - not low velocity stuff like gasoline vapor, propane, etc).

It's also difficult to make reliable detonators (the initial blasting caps).

Most of that stuff in the IRA days was either stolen from construction sites, or provided from military sources, including shipments from the former Soviet Union or even the United States (yes, a lot of wannabe Irishmen here in the US financed and supplied the IRA).

I dunno, you can make small electronic detonators from some wire, a small piece of tin foil, and a box of matches. I'm sure they could rig it up so that the spark detonator triggered a small explosion which triggered the main explosion. Mind you, I have no experience of explosives whatsoever so you probably know far more than I do on the subject.

Oh well. No one seems to have been injured, besides at least one of the occupants of the car.

Oh well. No one seems to have been injured, besides at least one of the occupants of the car.

I think people were actually, well at least according to bbc news 24 on the tv.

I'm still waiting for someone to say it was an accident.

There has been an imminant explosion which has ripped through glasgow airport terminal 1 the police have said they beleive it might be connected to the terrorist plot in london yesterday.
The current Security level is : SEVERE.

I'm still waiting for someone to say it was an accident.

It's apparently NOT an accident...

It's apparently NOT an accident...

Even so, someone is bound to say it is. This is NSG afterall.

There has been an imminant explosion which has ripped through glasgow airport terminal 1 the police have said they beleive it might be connected to the terrorist plot in london yesterday.
The current Security level is : SEVERE.

Well that's just crap.

i don't think it is an accident i think today and yesterday's terrorist attacks were planned

I know that quote but I can't quite place it: I'm guessing Douglas Adams. :p

The part about fast food was Adams, the rest is original material ;)

For terrorism to work, the terrorists don't necessarily need to make the bomb explode. They just need to create a culture of fear and feed it occasionally with a threat and out a bomb in place to remind their enemy that they can do worse.

The creation of fear is the key.

They don't need to inflict carnage. The carnage is just an added bonus to their campaign of terrorism. Without people living in feat, the terrorists aren't winning. So long as they can maintain a level of fear, they are winning even if they aren't taking lives.

if i had my way i would kill all terrorists make them suffer like al the peope in 9/11

let us bow our heads in rememberance

(Hamsterian bows his head in rememberance)

For terrorism to work, the terrorists don't necessarily need to make the bomb explode. They just need to create a culture of fear and feed it occasionally with a threat and out a bomb in place to remind their enemy that they can do worse.

The creation of fear is the key.

They don't need to inflict carnage. The carnage is just an added bonus to their campaign of terrorism. Without people living in feat, the terrorists aren't winning. So long as they can maintain a level of fear, they are winning even if they aren't taking lives.

That's the wisest thing I've read today.

For terrorism to work, the terrorists don't necessarily need to make the bomb explode. They just need to create a culture of fear and feed it occasionally with a threat and out a bomb in place to remind their enemy that they can do worse.

The creation of fear is the key.

They don't need to inflict carnage. The carnage is just an added bonus to their campaign of terrorism. Without people living in feat, the terrorists aren't winning. So long as they can maintain a level of fear, they are winning even if they aren't taking lives.

Maybe so, but for one to be feared they need to show a modicum of competence first.

if i had my way i would kill all terrorists make them suffer like al the peope in 9/11

let us bow our heads in rememberance

(Hamsterian bows his head in rememberance)

I agree, but let's include some other mass murderers, too, like the people that dropped the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I don't feel afraid, and if reports are anything to go by, neither did the people at the airport. They were more angry than afraid. If it was terrorists, they failed in creating terror. They're merely vandals.

Well that's just crap.

it is not crap watch sky news

Even so, someone is bound to say it is. This is NSG afterall.

Someone is also bound to say that they weren't Muslims, either.

it is not crap watch sky news

No! I meant as in, "Well that is really bad news" kind of crap.

Someone is also bound to say that they weren't Muslims, either.

Not really. Most of us just aren't going to immediatly go on a Night of the Long Knives and suppress teh Ebi1 Mo0slEMs.

oh sorry

have you heard all the people on the planes have to stay on the planes till 9:00 omg :mad: thats nor fair

Someone is also bound to say that they weren't Muslims, either.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Reichstagsbrand.jpg

"Someone is also bound to say that the perpetrators weren't communists, either." - Things Hermann Göring might say.

there extensive damage to the ground floor of the airport

Apparently the bombers have been apprehended.

Maybe so, but for one to be feared they need to show a modicum of competence first.

And it was achieved with 9/11, Madrid bomb and the 7/7 attacks.

Quick, surrender your liberties! That'll teach them to envy you them.
I wonder if that would be your sentiment as well had the criminals not targeted the Glasgow airport but today's London Gay Pride parade.

And it was achieved with 9/11, Madrid bomb and the 7/7 attacks.
But is diminished with each failed or foiled plot.

But is diminished with each failed or foiled plot.

Exactly.

yeah just think about the london fertaliser bomb plots they would have caused mass murder

if i had my way i would kill all terrorists make them suffer like al the peope in 9/11

let us bow our heads in rememberance

(Hamsterian bows his head in rememberance)


Amen.

Apparently it was on fire before the crash.

Also why would the fire victims fight the police and security?

They'd had a few before the fire? It is Glasgow afterall.....

Most of that stuff in the IRA days was either stolen from construction sites, or provided from military sources, including shipments from the former Soviet Union or even the United States

Most of it? Really?

Two of the larger ones - home made....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/24/newsid_2523000/2523345.stm
Docklands and Manchester were home-made too, I seem to recall.....


Why would they be stealing fertilizer from construction sites?

You shut up with your facts and your icing sugar. Hes RO. He knows, hes been there, done that, and opened the can with his penis.

I have a bad feeling about this thread. It's going to turn into one of those.

Not really. Most of us just aren't going to immediatly go on a Night of the Long Knives and suppress teh Ebi1 Mo0slEMs.

That's because most of you are in denial and are self-deluded.

Prediction: this is just the beginning of the next phase of Moslem terrorism against Western civilization in general and the UK/US in particular. Wake up and smell the jihad.

I don't feel afraid, and if reports are anything to go by, neither did the people at the airport. They were more angry than afraid. If it was terrorists, they failed in creating terror. They're merely vandals.

They're merely criminals even if they do "create terror". The fact that we treat them as anything else merely validates them and plays into their hands.

I have a bad feeling about this thread. It's going to turn into one of those.
Time to rephrase into past tense...

I wonder if that would be your sentiment as well had the criminals not targeted the Glasgow airport but today's London Gay Pride parade.

He would immediately blame the Westboro Baptist Church and condemn all religions (as long as they're Christian religions).

That's because most of you are in denial and are self-deluded.

Prediction: this is just the beginning of the next phase of Moslem terrorism against Western civilization in general and the UK/US in particular. Wake up and smell the jihad.

No. It is because most of us are intelligent, level-headed, and have our humanity and integrity.

That's because most of you are in denial and are self-deluded.

Prediction: this is just the beginning of the next phase of Moslem terrorism against Western civilization in general and the UK/US in particular. Wake up and smell the jihad.

You mean the phase in which extremists get incompetent while the remaining one billion and a half Muslims watch bemused as some nutcases accuse them all of being one hive-mind?

what ever has happened let's not start making accusations on which religious group has made this attack happen is all we know is that the 2 men were asian.

Time to rephrase into past tense...

Well, New Mitanni is already here, but it needs to get the pages before it can truly be considered one of those, IMO.

No. It is because most of us are intelligent, level-headed, and have our humanity and integrity.

We are? :confused:

I suppose it's relative.

what ever has happened let's not start making accusations on which religious group has made this attack happen is all we know is that the 2 men were asian.

I wonder if Mit will start a "buddhists are evil!!!" trend if it turns out they're from the FAR east.

Sky News just reported that two "Asian men" have been apprehended. The BBC described a burning man fleeing the car as being a "South Asian" man.

Gee, I wonder what that could mean? :rolleyes:

We are? :confused:

I suppose it's relative.

We are. Compared to Mitanni and his ilk.

what ever has happened let's not start making accusations on which religious group has made this attack happen is all we know is that the 2 men were asian.

Who are you kidding. Of course they are muslim! There is just no reason to assume otherwise.

Sky News just reported that two "Asian men" have been apprehended. The BBC described a burning man fleeing the car as being a "South Asian" man.

Gee, I wonder what that could mean? :rolleyes:

That they apprehended a couple of Asian men. You really think any of us don't suspect these men to be Muslim?

Sky News just reported that two "Asian men" have been apprehended. The BBC described a burning man fleeing the car as being a "South Asian" man.

Gee, I wonder what that could mean? :rolleyes:

Let's assume - for a lark - that they are Muslims. Unless you're claiming that THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

is a reflection on ALL Christians, you have no point.

No. It is because most of us are intelligent, level-headed, and have our humanity and integrity.

Refusal to face the facts is no indication either of intelligence or level-headedness. And my "humanity" is focused on the victims and potential victims of Moslem atrocities, not the perpetrators or the cultural milieu that breeds them.

yeah but still if it is muslims they should have left them to burn

No. We live in a civilized society, thank you very much. They'll be tried and imprisoned.

yeah but still if it is muslims they should have left them to burn

Nah, we need them to help any investigation into terror networks.

Refusal to face the facts is no indication either of intelligence or level-headedness. And my "humanity" is focused on the victims and potential victims of Moslem atrocities, not the perpetrators or the cultural milieu that breeds them.

First of all, stop assuming you know so much about the religion you can't SPELL.

Second of all, if you will assume that the actions of a few members of a given group represent the views of ALL members of said group, I will remind you that many Nazis were Christian.

Refusal to face the facts is no indication either of intelligence or level-headedness. And my "humanity" is focused on the victims and potential victims of Moslem atrocities, not the perpetrators or the cultural milieu that breeds them.

Before I reply, first, tell me what are these supposed "facts". Just tell me that first.

Sky News just reported that two "Asian men" have been apprehended. The BBC described a burning man fleeing the car as being a "South Asian" man.

Gee, I wonder what that could mean? :rolleyes:
If I were feeling facetious, they're from Vietnam? Well, either that, or two bungling would-be suicide bombers are proof every muslim is a terrorist.:rolleyes:

yeah but still if it is muslims they should have left them to burn

What if they were from the CHRISTIAN I.R.A.?

Second of all, if you will assume that the actions of a few members of a given group represent the views of ALL members of said group, I will remind you that many Nazis were Christian.

Not to mention the IRA, our previous resident terrorists, where white christian men. I suppose Mitanni would support Irish genocide?

true true

someone said that the one that was burned looked like somthing outof a horror movie

No. We live in a civilized society, thank you very much. They'll be tried and imprisoned.

And not because they are from a given religion, but because they performed an attack. Because ONLY that is civilization, the rest isn't.

We are. Compared to Mitanni and his ilk.

Mmm, which is why I said it was relative. Which is another reason to weep for humanity. :(

yeah but still if it is muslims they should have left them to burn

So... you basically support burning Muslims to death?

Considering that by the above I'm assuming that you wouldn't have left non-Muslims to burn.

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.

Not to mention the IRA, our previous resident terrorists, where white christian men. I suppose Mitanni would support Irish genocide?

Nah.

He'd support CHRISTIAN genocide. It's RELIGION with him, remember?

oh and im sorry i hope i haven't offended anyone by saying let them burn :D

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.

Um... it's New Mitanni. NEW MITANNI.

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.

Of course not. But he obviously believes Muslim populations are at the very least very sympathetic to Muslim terrorists.

If these two attacks turn out to be home-grown, I shall declare this country officially rubbish. We're crap at sport, are public services are creaking, our people are getting stupider and even our terrorists are incompetent. Jeez.

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.
Put it the other way round, and you might be closer, if not suggesting all muslims are terrorists, then have terrorist sympathies.

Not to mention the IRA, our previous resident terrorists, where white christian men. I suppose Mitanni would support Irish genocide?

There is no similarity between the IRA and Islamic jihadist terrorists beyond the fact that both use violence. There is no worldwide IRA movement, nor are there any IRA "madrassas" indoctrinating children to murder non-IRA believers, nor are there any Internet sites posting warnings about IRA attacks on innocent civilian targets, nor has the IRA ever posted videos of human sacrifice ala Daniel Pearl, nor . . . . I could go on at length.

Nice try, but that dog won't hunt.

god isn't it obvious it is a terrorist attack the news are just saying this a terrorist attack well duh

There is no similarity between the IRA and Islamic jihadist terrorists beyond the fact that both use violence. There is no worldwide IRA movement, nor are there any IRA "madrassas" indoctrinating children to murder non-IRA believers, nor are there any Internet sites posting warnings about IRA attacks on innocent civilian targets, nor has the IRA ever posted videos of human sacrifice ala Daniel Pearl, nor . . . . I could go on at length.

Nice try, but that dog won't hunt.

Add that to the millions of Muslims condemning or disapproving of terror and you are - as you tend to be - wrong.

I am guessing Pakistani or maybe even Indian muslim wannabe jihadi...

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.

You are correct, and I have never said as much. There are Tamil terrorists in Sri Lanka, for one, and they are comparably bloodthirsty and evil.

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.

The fact remains, however, that you claim to know an awful lot about the group whose name you can't spell.

i think they just said 7 people have been injured

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.

Really? You made a census I presume?

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.

Yep. Anyone who denys this are just being intellectually dishonest.

The fact remains, however, that you claim to know an awful lot about the group whose name you can't spell.

Moslem is a legitimate alternative spelling to muslim.

Eek. A mouse.

They're really setting their sights low in the big bad ol' "War on Thingy" these days, aren't they?

You are correct, and I have never said as much. There are Tamil terrorists in Sri Lanka, for one, and they are comparably bloodthirsty and evil.

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.

The terrorists are assholes who just happen to be Muslim. They are not Muslim terrorists; they are terrorists who happen to lay a claim to a certain religion, and that is the Islamic faith.

Stop creating strawmen, I don't think New Mitanni actually believes that all terrorists are muslims. Hardly any right winger actually believes this.

emmm....If he doesn't, hes a very funny way of expressing it.

Of course not. But he obviously believes Muslim populations are at the very least very sympathetic to Muslim terrorists.

That is an accurate summary of my position.

I don't contend that every last Moslem is a terrorist or enabler thereof. I'm sure that among the entire Moslem population there are a few good people here and there, just like among the entire Nazi Party there were a few Oskar Schindlers. There may even be a substantial minority of nominal Moslems that don't actually believe in the violent and oppressive teachings that are found everywhere one turns in Islam (which raises the question of why they keep calling themselves Moslems, but that's another issue). That's not enough.

It is my contention that the evil jihadist ideology is an integral and irremovable component of Islam, and that this renders Islam an implacable enemy of all non-infidels that must be defeated once and for all, for the sake of humanity.

The fact remains, however, that the overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide today are Moslems.
If this is a fact then you must have evidence. Do you?
Moslem is a legitimate alternative spelling to muslim.

Indeed, both are fairly accurate renderings of the word into the Latin alphabet.

I wonder if that would be your sentiment as well had the criminals not targeted the Glasgow airport but today's London Gay Pride parade.

Yes, for you see, gay people only bend over to each other.

Moslem is a legitimate alternative spelling to muslim.

Exactly. Furthermore, there are few things I care less about than the reaction of such people, or their sympathizers and enablers Heikoku, to the terminology I use to describe them.

Exactly. Furthermore, there are few things I care less about than the reaction of such people, or their sympathizers and enablers Heikoku, to the terminology I use to describe them.

You're "accusing" me of being a sympathizer of terror or of the Muslims you slander and wish to - like Hitler did to the Jews - exterminate?

Still, you have to admit, the Afro-Caribbeans had a point about how dead racist the english are.

If this is a fact then you must have evidence. Do you?

Here is one source:

http://www.tkb.org/Category.jsp?catID=318&contentType=0&sortBy=3&sortOrder=1&x=39&y=7

There's another listing that's easier to read, I'm looking for it and will post it when I find it.

Indeed, both are fairly accurate renderings of the word into the Latin alphabet.

"Sand n*****" and "raghead", on the other hand, are generally considered offensive terms.

The fact remains, however, that you claim to know an awful lot about the group whose name you can't spell.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/moslem

Can we stop picking that non-existent nit now?

http://m-w.com/dictionary/moslem

Can we stop picking that non-existent nit now?

Okay, he can spell. He still doesn't know jack about Islam.

Still, you have to admit, the Afro-Caribbeans had a point about how dead racist the english are.

Bit of a generalisation there ;)

Here's more:

Apparently the guy on fire did it deliberately and was running through the terminal, according to Al-Jazeera.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5F2ADEBF-2C29-4984-8F2A-832920ED4FB5.htm

Bit of a generalisation there ;)

Not really. Black people have a horrible time in England. The stereotypes are ludicrous.

Not really. Black people have a horrible time in England. The stereotypes are ludicrous.

The English are racists
The afro carribeans are imbeciles

Hmmm....which is good and which is bad

Answer : Neither good

Not really. Black people have a horrible time in England. The stereotypes are ludicrous.

Thats total bullshit.

You're "accusing" me of being a sympathizer of terror or of the Muslims you slander and wish to - like Hitler did to the Jews - exterminate?

Here's an idea. Every time Honky (New Mitanni) or Potato-head (The Potato Factory) makes a post like that about Muslims, replace every occurrence of the word Muslim with Jew. What do you get?

Thats total bullshit.

So black people are having a great time in England, and the stereotypes aren't ludicrous. I think we'll need a poll to get the real poop on this.

Thats total bullshit.

No, it isn't. People of African descent routinely get labeled as the biggest troublemakers, despite statistical evidence.

But you know what, I'll bet you claim the BNP doesn't exist either.

Where the fuck did Afro-carribeans and racism sneak in?

Surely this is about the stereotyped attitude towards Scots drinking, burning and driving?

Here's an idea. Every time Honky (New Mitanni) or Potato-head (The Potato Factory) makes a post like that about Muslims, replace every occurrence of the word Muslim with Jew. What do you get?

Fine by me, but why... "Honky"? :confused:

Where the fuck did Afro-carribeans and racism sneak in?

Surely this is about the stereotyped attitude towards Scots drinking, burning and driving?

Stereotype?

Kidding I swear

No, it isn't. People of African descent routinely get labeled as the biggest troublemakers, despite statistical evidence.


Only by the BNP and other dumb right wingers.


But you know what, I'll bet you claim the BNP doesn't exist either.

The BNP is despied by most people, and the main bulk of them only really are against immigration (to an extreme extent).

Only by the BNP and other dumb right wingers.


Get off your high horse bonny lad, and get yourself up to Princess Tony's old constituency. When you are there, go for a pint in the knicky-knack, and tell them how you feel about the blacks.

Then tell me, if you survive.

But no, you are right, it is all right wing.

The last representation of what it was like to be black and in England was "To Sir with Love", but that's only about 40 years out of date.

Admittedly there is a bias here, but this site's article links hardly present a picture of 'hunky dory'.

http://www.blackpresence.co.uk/

This presents a dim view as well:
http://www.bunchecenter.ucla.edu/diaspora/research_topics/british_blacks.htm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,,605337,00.html

Get off your high horse bonny lad, and get yourself up to Princess Tony's old constituency. When you are there, go for a pint in the knicky-knack, and tell them how you feel about the blacks.

Then tell me, if you survive.


You're not one of those people who idiotically believe that the majority of the working class people in england support the BNP are you?

I'm sure that among the entire Moslem population there are a few good people here and there, just like among the entire Nazi Party there were a few Oskar Schindlers.

One wonders what compells people like you to compare Islam with Nazism.

Besides your own ideology of hatred and bigotry, I mean.


It is my contention that the evil jihadist ideology is an integral and irremovable component of Islam, and that this renders Islam an implacable enemy of all non-infidels that must be defeated once and for all, for the sake of humanity.

Yeah, I think I heard the same thing from people like you about another world religion.

You're the nazi here, New Mitanni. Go burn some books or whatever it is your type does, when you're not writing pseudo-Der Sturmer shit.

The last representation of what it was like to be black and in England was "To Sir with Love", but that's only about 40 years out of date.

Admittedly there is a bias here, but this site's article links hardly present a picture of 'hunky dory'.

http://www.blackpresence.co.uk/


Doesn't really mention anything as bad as Lacadaemon. And is very obviously bias.


This presents a dim view as well:
http://www.bunchecenter.ucla.edu/diaspora/research_topics/british_blacks.htm


Our history might not have been great, but neither were most countries towards blacks.


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,,605337,00.html

This claims it's mainly the peolpe of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are the ones that are mainly disadvantaged, not Afro-Caribbeans.

This claims it's mainly the peolpe of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are the ones that are mainly disadvantaged, not Afro-Caribbeans.
And the last big race riots were blacks vs Asians. It's hardly as clear cut as the whites keeping the blacks down.

Still, you have to admit, the Afro-Caribbeans had a point about how dead racist the english are.
Hardly. There is a nasty minority racist element in British society, as in any other, directed at minority groups, but that doesn't make England - or the UK, for that matter, racist.

Yes, for you see, gay people only bend over to each other.
It's so "nice" to see that you have lost nothing of your willful snooty ignorance.:rolleyes:

Fine by me, but why... "Honky"? :confused:

Honky is slang for white guy among African Americans, and a very funny slur. I've never seen anyone actually offended by it. New Mitanni is a white guy who constantly complains about being offended. So...honky.

Still, you have to admit, the Afro-Caribbeans had a point about how dead racist the english are.
...

Err no, there are racist wankers in England, just as there are in Spain, Canada, Guadeloupe, Chile etc. etc.

Nice ironic use of a generalisation, though.

...

Err no, there are racist wankers in England, just as there are in Spain, Canada, Guadeloupe, Chile etc. etc.

Nice ironic use of a generalisation, though.

One does not preclude the other. And the English are very racist in respect of people of African descent.

One does not preclude the other. And the English are very racist in respect of people of African descent.
Errr... actually BEING English, I'd have to disagree there. As has been said, some are racist. Most are not.

One does not preclude the other. And the English are very racist in respect of people of African descent.

Are we? :confused: Someone should have told me...

Are we? :confused: Someone should have told me...

Quiet you. Its hard to keep up a generalisation when people interfere like this

It's so "nice" to see that you have lost nothing of your willful snooty ignorance.:rolleyes:

And that you have progressed not one centimetre.

Here is one source:

http://www.tkb.org/Category.jsp?catID=318&contentType=0&sortBy=3&sortOrder=1&x=39&y=7

There's another listing that's easier to read, I'm looking for it and will post it when I find it.

This link is more specific:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I haven't cross-referenced the two to verify their accuracy, but I have no reason to doubt the overall accuracy of either.

8700+ Moslem terrorist attacks just since 9/11. Compare this number to the number of, say, abortion clinic bombings by Christian groups, or attacks by the Westboro Baptist Church, and you will see that . . . there is no comparison.

One does not preclude the other. And the English are very racist in respect of people of African descent.Oh the irony! It's like big acme ton of iron.

Honky is slang for white guy among African Americans, and a very funny slur. I've never seen anyone actually offended by it. New Mitanni is a white guy who constantly complains about being offended. So...honky.

First, I'm not the one who complains about "being offended." I'm the one who criticizes PC fanatics for trying to control speech on the grounds that some minority or other finds it "offensive."

Second, any smartass who thinks he's "offending" me by using the word "honky", to paraphrase George C. Scott's General Patton, doesn't know anything more about really offending me than he knows about fornicating. Forty-year-old ghetto slang that intends to mock Caucasian speech patterns may be humorous, silly, ridiculous or stupid, but offensive? Not so much. Someone who really wants to offend me, as an American of Italian ancestry, should stick to "wop", "guinea", "goombah", "greaseball", "dago" or the like. Except they don't offend me either. So sorry :p

One does have to laugh really. Not only did the terrorists fail to cause any damage to human life, but they were seriously burnt themselves.:)

Frankly, not only should they be witheld NHS treatment, but they should be driven about the country in a cage. After which, they, their families, and those arrested previously in London, can be publically hung.

Equally, I am exhilerated that every attempted attack serves only to alienate the Muslim population from the UK. I have contended, regularly, that Islam as a composite entity is irreconcilable to the west. Now, it would appear, I am vindicated. Reaction here we come!:)

One does have to laugh really. Not only did the terrorists fail to cause any damage to human life, but they were seriously burnt themselves.:)

Frankly, not only should they be witheld NHS treatment, but they should be driven about the country in a cage. After which, they, their families, and those arrested previously in London, can be publically hung.

Equally, I am exhilerated that every attempted attack serves only to alienate the Muslim population from the UK. I have contended, regularly, that Islam as a composite entity is irreconcilable to the west. Now, it would appear, I am vindicated. Reaction here we come!:)

I like the cut of your jib young man.

I like the cut of your jib young man.

Hey thats my phrase!

Reaction here we come! :)
*Supplies*

:rolleyes:

One does have to laugh really. Not only did the terrorists fail to cause any damage to human life, but they were seriously burnt themselves.:)

The problem is, they are smart enough to learn from their mistakes. Don't expect the next attack to fail in the same manner. We should not underestimate our enemies.

Frankly, not only should they be witheld NHS treatment, but they should be driven about the country in a cage. After which, they, their families, and those arrested previously in London, can be publically hung.

Equally, I am exhilerated that every attempted attack serves only to alienate the Muslim population from the UK. I have contended, regularly, that Islam as a composite entity is irreconcilable to the west. Now, it would appear, I am vindicated. Reaction here we come!:)

If this serves as the UK's Pearl Harbor, then some good will have come from it.

If this serves as the UK's Pearl Harbor, then some good will have come from it.

So you're willing to hope for the death of people just so that innocent Muslims die too. You show your true colors.

First, I'm not the one who complains about "being offended." I'm the one who criticizes PC fanatics for trying to control speech on the grounds that some minority or other finds it "offensive."

Second, any smartass who thinks he's "offending" me by using the word "honky", to paraphrase George C. Scott's General Patton, doesn't know anything more about really offending me than he knows about fornicating. Forty-year-old ghetto slang that intends to mock Caucasian speech patterns may be humorous, silly, ridiculous or stupid, but offensive? Not so much. Someone who really wants to offend me, as an American of Italian ancestry, should stick to "wop", "guinea", "goombah", "greaseball", "dago" or the like. Except they don't offend me either. So sorry :p

I wasn't actually trying to offend you. I just say honky because it sounds funny. "So sorry :p"

I wasn't actually trying to offend you. I just say honky because it sounds funny. "So sorry :p"

:)

:)

Schmaltzy.

There is no similarity between the IRA and Islamic jihadist terrorists beyond the fact that both use violence. There is no worldwide IRA movement, nor are there any IRA "madrassas" indoctrinating children to murder non-IRA believers, nor are there any Internet sites posting warnings about IRA attacks on innocent civilian targets, nor has the IRA ever posted videos of human sacrifice ala Daniel Pearl, nor . . . . I could go on at length.

Nice try, but that dog won't hunt.

There may be no IRA "madrassas" but the estates pretty mUch had the same function. Nearly evey kid living in those estates faced indoctrination into hating the catholic/prodestants. The IRA and UDA were in charge of the estates durring the troubles (and still have a lot of infulence) and they used teenagers there to further their own aims.
Yes, the IRA didnt use the internet to post warnings about their bombings, but of course that wouldnt be because they were most active between the 60s and 90s when the internet was hardly widespread. However they did use the phone to help spread confusion and disruption about their attacks. The same goes for posting videos of killings...it would be hard to widely distrubute them without the web.
The difference between the IRA and Muslim terroists are superfical. In the end they are the same sort of scum. People who arent afraid to use violence and fear to advance their aims and dont care who gets hurt. You think that the Al-quada are more barbaric, tell that to the people who got knee-capped, crucified, had family memebers shot before their eye and who were beaten to pulp by gangs.

And that you have progressed not one centimetre.
Oh, but I have - just not in any direction that you would notice.

The problem is, they are smart enough to learn from their mistakes. Don't expect the next attack to fail in the same manner. We should not underestimate our enemies.


Eh. They seem to be getting progressively more incompetent, from the looks of it, not more expert. :p Not that we should treat it like a joke, but still.

For terrorism to work, the terrorists don't necessarily need to make the bomb explode. They just need to create a culture of fear and feed it occasionally with a threat and out a bomb in place to remind their enemy that they can do worse.

The creation of fear is the key.

They don't need to inflict carnage. The carnage is just an added bonus to their campaign of terrorism. Without people living in feat, the terrorists aren't winning. So long as they can maintain a level of fear, they are winning even if they aren't taking lives.
I dunno, I'm finding the failures pretty funny more than scary.

But then they're not failing to blow up stuff in Canada so of course it doesn't really affect me the same way.

The difference between the IRA and Muslim terroists are superfical. In the end they are the same sort of scum. People who arent afraid to use violence and fear to advance their aims and dont care who gets hurt. You think that the Al-quada are more barbaric, tell that to the people who got knee-capped, crucified, had family memebers shot before their eye and who were beaten to pulp by gangs.
Now if we extend this even further and have a look at wars fought between countries... what's the difference except a formal declaration and having a clear target to go after?

The last representation of what it was like to be black and in England was "To Sir with Love", but that's only about 40 years out of date.

What? Are you seriously stating that "To Sir With love" was the last piece of black British cinema? If so you really should get out to the movies more often.

One does have to laugh really. Not only did the terrorists fail to cause any damage to human life, but they were seriously burnt themselves.:)

Frankly, not only should they be witheld NHS treatment, but they should be driven about the country in a cage. After which, they, their families, and those arrested previously in London, can be publically hung.

Equally, I am exhilerated that every attempted attack serves only to alienate the Muslim population from the UK. I have contended, regularly, that Islam as a composite entity is irreconcilable to the west. Now, it would appear, I am vindicated. Reaction here we come!:)

Your blatant disregard for human life and rights makes you no better than the terrorists you so despise.

What? Are you seriously stating that "To Sir With love" was the last piece of black British cinema? If so you really should get out to the movies more often.

I think he/she just means that's the last time one made it over here, which is probably true. ;)

Although some African-Americans would probably argue against Sidney Poitier being black - just like with Colin Powell, some don't consider Afro-Carribeans black. Weird, I know, but it's true.

Your blatant disregard for human life and rights makes you no better than the terrorists you so despise.

OWNED!!!! I'd link to the justgotowned site, but Fris would kill me.

Your blatant disregard for human life and rights makes you no better than the terrorists you so despise.

The only "right" Moslem terrorists have is the right to a hot lead injection. As soon as they take a single step on the jihadist/terrorist path, they forfeit all rights as human beings. They become outlaws in the old sense of the term: those literally outside the protection of the law and thus targetable at will by anyone.

And it is the DEFENSE of terrorists, the finding of excuses for terrorists, the refusal to confront and destroy terrorists, that makes one "no better" than them. Hatred of Moslem terrorist evil, besides being completely appropriate, DOES make one "better than the terrorists you so despise."

The only "right" Moslem terrorists have is the right to a hot lead injection. As soon as they take a single step on the jihadist/terrorist path, they forfeit all rights as human beings. They become outlaws in the old sense of the term: those literally outside the protection of the law and thus targetable at will by anyone.

And it is the DEFENSE of terrorists, the finding of excuses for terrorists, the refusal to confront and destroy terrorists, that makes one "no better" than them. Hatred of Moslem terrorist evil, besides being completely appropriate, DOES make one "better than the terrorists you so despise."

Wanting to punish their families and all of their religion makes you no better than the terrorists - of any kind.

There is no similarity between the IRA and Islamic jihadist terrorists beyond the fact that both use violence. There is no worldwide IRA movement, nor are there any IRA "madrassas" indoctrinating children to murder non-IRA believers, nor are there any Internet sites posting warnings about IRA attacks on innocent civilian targets, nor has the IRA ever posted videos of human sacrifice ala Daniel Pearl, nor . . . . I could go on at length.

Nice try, but that dog won't hunt.Is not ignorance bliss.

There was a 'worldwide' Irish republican movement. I seem to remember a shit load of funding coming some wanabee Irish yanks who probably might have had a great grandfather who was Irish, or Scotish, or English... or something.

But then I could equally argue the opposite that there is not worldwide Al Qaeda.

No madrassas?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,690092,00.html
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/exposed-sfs-secret-plan-to-stir-up-unrest-128623.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0h-KvTWUkM
The IRA were clearly willing to indoctrinate people into their views and train other in terrorist tactics.

'nor are there any internet sites...' Uh, how about you consider when the Troubles took place and the period in which the internet came into mainstream use. Besides, how on earth would being quiet about who you've murdered legitimise those murders?

Video of executions? Again, the lack of technology might be the key here. Though they'd didn't appear to be against mutilating the bodies of those they executed.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/ulster/article355812.ece

And it is the DEFENSE of terrorists, the finding of excuses for terrorists, the refusal to confront and destroy terrorists, that makes one "no better" than them. Hatred of Moslem terrorist evil, besides being completely appropriate, DOES make one "better than the terrorists you so despise."And with that your hipocracy is made clear.

And it is the DEFENSE of terrorists, the finding of excuses for terrorists, the refusal to confront and destroy terrorists, that makes one "no better" than them. Hatred of Moslem terrorist evil, besides being completely appropriate, DOES make one "better than the terrorists you so despise."
Idiot...

Some arrests

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/world/europe/01britain.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Early Sunday, after a day of fast-moving developments, the London police announced that two people had been arrested in Cheshire, in northwest England, “in connection with the events in London and Scotland.”

The arrests were in addition to those of the two occupants of the blazing car at Glasgow Airport. A witness to the attack said on BBC television that one of the car’s occupants had been ablaze from head to foot, and as he struggled with the police, “was throwing punches and shouting ‘Allah, Allah.’ ”

This link is more specific:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I haven't cross-referenced the two to verify their accuracy, but I have no reason to doubt the overall accuracy of either.

8700+ Moslem terrorist attacks just since 9/11. Compare this number to the number of, say, abortion clinic bombings by Christian groups, or attacks by the Westboro Baptist Church, and you will see that . . . there is no comparison.

Can we count the Lord's Resistance Army? :rolleyes:

What? Are you seriously stating that "To Sir With love" was the last piece of black British cinema? If so you really should get out to the movies more often.

The last thing I read about the treatment of Afro-Carribeans in England was "To Sir with Love." And I said it was rather out of date as it's as old as I am.

Gah, read a book -- much better than cinema anyway.

So you're willing to hope for the death of people just so that innocent Muslims die too. You show your true colors.

Not that he meant that, and, incidentally, that was some exceptional mental gymnastics to arrive at such a conclusion, but, if it does require a major attack to turn public opinion against Islam, I'd accept it.

We face an implacable, and abominable foe; we should be prepared to employ any expedient to defeat him.

Eyewitness accounts.

America:"Oh my God! there was a man on fire,he was running about, i just ran for my life..i thought i was gonna die,he got so close to me"

Glasgow "**** wis running aboot on fire,so a ran up n gave him a good boot,then decked him"

America:"I just wanna get home,away from here..i just wanna get home,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"here shug,am no leaving here till am oan a fuckin' plane!"

America:"there was pandemonium,people were running in all directions,we didn't know what was hapening,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"Fuck this fir a kerry oan,moan we ll get a pint in"

America:"We thought he was gonna blow us all up he had a gas canister,and was trying to get into his trunk,i thought we were gonna die,i just ran for my life"

Glasgow:"a swaggered by the motor that wis on fire,and the dafty couldnae even open his boot,he wis in fire annaw so a ran up n gave him a good boot to the baws"

America:there was this huge explosion,it sounded like war,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"There wis a bang,yi know when yi throw BO basher intae a fire it wis like that"

America:"i'm too traumatised even to speak,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow "here mate,gies 2 minutes till a phone ma auld dear,if am gonna be oan the telly a want her tae tape it"

Is not ignorance bliss.

Gee, why didn't I think of that?

There was a 'worldwide' Irish republican movement. I seem to remember a shit load of funding coming some wanabee Irish yanks who probably might have had a great grandfather who was Irish, or Scotish, or English... or something.

There's a world of difference (pun intended) between the IRA soliciting funds from misguided Americans of Irish ancestry and the worldwide Moslem terrorist movement. I don't recall any violent IRA activity in the US, Canada, Australia or elsewhere than the UK (not sure about other European nations). I'm reasonably certain the IRA did not carry out over 8700 terrorist attacks in less than six years. I am absolutely certain that no Irish religious leader every called for the murder of someone for writing an anti-IRA book

The effort to equate the IRA with worldwide Moslem terrorism is preposterous. It's just another effort to deny reality, make excuses and deflect criticism from those poor, pitiful, persecuted Moslems.

But then I could equally argue the opposite that there is not worldwide Al Qaeda.

You could try, but you would fail.

No madrassas?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,690092,00.html
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/exposed-sfs-secret-plan-to-stir-up-unrest-128623.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0h-KvTWUkM
The IRA were clearly willing to indoctrinate people into their views and train other in terrorist tactics.

I repeat: no madrassas. No terrorist indoctrination centers masquerading as "religious schools." No institutions in which young children are taught to hate and kill non-infidels. No Catholic priests doing such teaching, that I'm aware of. Certainly few if any.

IRA indoctrination undoubtedly took place. It remains distinguishable from Moslem terrorist indoctrination carried out specifically in the name of and under the auspices of Islamic religious educational institutions.

And with that your hipocracy is made clear.

Not at all. You might try looking up the definition of "hypocrisy", along with the correct spelling thereof.

And don't assume that I'm defending the IRA. I'm not. I condemn their past terrorist activities, and if they start up again (or if they're still at it, haven't heard much about their recent activities), I'll support all actions of the UK government to put them down. And I think it's wrong for Americans or anyone else to send money to them.

That being said, Moslem terrorists were, are and will remain a far greater threat to the entire civilized world than the IRA.

fifth arrest has been made

http://www.24dash.com/printNews/7/23325.htm
A fifth arrest was made in Liverpool. Photo: Martin Rickett/PA wire

A woman is among those being questioned over the nationwide terror alert, it emerged today.

The 27-year-old was arrested with a 26-year-old man on the M6 last night and they are being interviewed at a central London police station, Scotland Yard said.

The development came as the country remained on its highest state of alert after three failed car bombings in London and Glasgow.

Police have linked an attempt to ram a blazing Jeep Cherokee into Glasgow Airport yesterday to the discovery of two car bombs in the capital\'s West End on Friday.

Two men inside the Jeep were arrested at the airport, though one of them suffered severe burns after being engulfed in flames and is now in a critical condition in hospital.

Anti-terror officers from the Met and West Midlands Police later made the arrests on the M6 near Sandbach in Cheshire.

Today it was confirmed that a fifth arrest had been made, this time in Liverpool.

Scotland Yard said a 26-year-old man was held and two properties in the Liverpool area were being searched.

A large number of police descended on a house in a street just off Penny Lane in south Liverpool.

Officers were also searching a number of houses in the village of Houston, near Glasgow Airport, in connection with the attack there.

The Government yesterday raised the national terror threat level to "critical", its highest level, meaning an attack is expected "imminently".

Prime Minister Gordon Brown warned today that the threat to Britain was "long-term and sustained".

He said Britain\'s message to the terrorists must be: "We will not yield, we will not be intimidated and we will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life."

In his first broadcast interview since becoming PM on Wednesday, he said it was "clear" that the attacks in London and Glasgow were perpetrated by people who were associated with the global Islamist terror network al Qaida.

He urged the public to continue "living their lives as normal" and pledged: "Everything is being done in our power... to protect people\'s lives".

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith today chaired a meeting of the emergency contingencies committee Cobra, and told reporters outside the Home Office she had been updated on the latest security situation.

She thanked police and the emergency services for their "continued hard work" over the last 24 hours and confirmed she would make a statement to MPs in the House of Commons tomorrow.

The Jeep was driven into the main doors of the airport before bursting into flames at about 3.15pm yesterday.

Part of the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley was evacuated yesterday after the arrival of one of the men arrested at the airport when a "suspect device" was found on his body.

But Strathclyde Police denied reports this device was a "suicide vest" after having it examined by explosives experts.

Meanwhile travellers started flying in and out of the airport again.

The first flights touched down almost 17 hours after the terrorist attack, shortly before 8am.

A spokesman for BAA Glasgow said 20 flights in and out had been cancelled so far today.

Liverpool John Lennon Airport was also closed overnight while police investigated a suspicious vehicle.

It was taken away for forensic examination and the airport was reopened at 4.40am, Merseyside Police said.

The rest of Britain\'s airports will stay open until further notice with a heightened police guard.

Most are bolstering security by closing off roads leading to the terminal buildings.

The Glasgow attack followed the discovery of two cars loaded with explosives in London\'s busy West End early on Friday morning.

The first, a Mercedes packed with a deadly cargo of petrol, gas canisters and nails, was found by paramedics called to the Tiger Tiger nightclub shortly before 2am after a person was taken ill.

The ambulance crew spotted smoke inside the car and immediately called police.

Sources suggested one of the first officers on the scene averted disaster by disconnecting a mobile phone in the car which may have been used to trigger the explosion.

The second car, also a Mercedes, was issued with a parking ticket in Cockspur Street, just yards from the first vehicle, at about 2.30am.

It was taken to a car pound off Park Lane by Westminster Council at around 3.30am.

Workers at the compound were immediately suspicious of the car because it had a strong smell of petrol. But it was not until later when they heard about the news of the first car bomb they contacted authorities.

Extra officers are being deployed to the capital\'s landmarks and main train stations, as well as Heathrow Airport and London City Airport, Scotland Yard said.

People attending today\'s memorial concert for Diana, Princess of Wales, at Wembley Stadium were warned to expect delays because of more thorough searches.

About 450 officers were on duty to police the event.

Neighbours at an address stormed by armed police last night in Liverpool told of their shock at the raid.

Rachal Tansey, 27, a student who has just qualified as a barrister, lived over the road from the house raided in Ramiles Road in south Liverpool.

Miss Tansey said: "It was about 1am when I heard dogs barking, and I left it for a while and just hoped they would quieten down, but they didn\'t."

"I looked out of the bathroom window and saw men with big guns, and they barged into number 80. There was a bit of a commotion. It was shocking, I kept backing off from the curtains and the police helicopter was overhead. I saw at least four officers in dark clothing."

Miss Tansey said she didn\'t know the people who lived at the address, though the area is heavily populated with students and Asian people, with a mosque on a neighbouring street.

She added: "I\'m shocked at what\'s going on, you don\'t expect it to be happening outside your own home."

Declan Murphy, 22, from Buncrana, County Donegal, was with a group of students in a house at the top of the road.

He looked out of the window when he heard dogs barking.

"There was a man with a gun outside the window and I panicked," said Mr Murphy, a student at John Moores University.

"At first I thought it was something to do with drugs then the whole Glasgow thing came to mind and we thought it must have been terrorism."

Mr Murphy said he saw eight or nine policemen with guns and a helicopter was hovering overhead. There were also police dog vans.

Melissa Heywood, 21, from Buxton, studying teaching at the same university, who was also in the house, added: "I saw policemen outside the house with guns. They seemed to cover each other going to and from the house pointing their guns at the front door and the upper window. They were positioning themselves behind a jeep."

"It\'s almost like they were trying to think about how to get into the house."

Police officers told them to stay indoors and the operation carried on for a number of hours.

The students believe two Asian men lived at the address and they heard a commotion in the alleyway at the back of the property.

Police also raided a second house on Hatherley Street in Toxteth.

Haroon Samad, 56, who lives next door to the house, said: "I heard a noise about midnight last night, a policeman shouting \'Come out with your hands up\'."

"The police were in uniform and armed."

"I saw four people, the men who live at the house, come out with their hands up, and walk calmly towards the police car on the other side of the road. Another police car was stationed at the top of the road."

"All the lads who live there are in their 20s. Three are from Pakistan and one from the Yemen."

"They said they were students."

"The policeman later knocked on my door to apologise for the disturbance. He said later that they had been set free, and are no longer being held."

Mr Samad said all the men attended the mosque at the top of the street.

Copyright - Press Association 2007

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070701GlasgowAirport02.jpg

Can't help but notice the irony of the situation. The security or whoever that is, tries to save the suicidal jihadis's life by hosing him while the nutcase is trying to open the rear door presumably to blow up the canisters inside.

Dailymail. Take it FWIW.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465481&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490
Two doctors were among five people being held as terror suspects last night after the bomb plots in London and Glasgow.

One was one of two men who tried to drive a blazing Jeep packed with petrol, gas canisters and nails into Glasgow Airport on Saturday.
..
One of the doctors, the man arrested on the M6, was said to be a Jordanian-born doctor at the North Staffordshire Hospital in Stoke-on-Trent.

He lived with his wife and baby in a rented house in Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire, where forensic officers were carrying out a detailed search last night.

Forensics officers at the scene of Saturday's terror attack with the Jeep Cherokee which caused the fire

The doctor is suspected of having played a key role in the planning of the terror strikes.

One of the two men overpowered as they attacked Glasgow Airport has 90 per cent burns and is too badly injured to be interviewed, but the second was being questioned last night.

Police believe they are all part of a previously unknown Al Qaeda-linked cell made up of people of Middle Eastern origin.

The doctor involved in the Glasgow attack is an Iraqi who is thought to have been granted asylum in the UK while a third suspect comes from Lebanon.

At least one other member of the cell was still being hunted last night.

That being said, Moslem terrorists were, are and will remain a far greater threat to the entire civilized world than the IRA.

Awww, is poor widdo New Mitanni afwaid of the big bad scewwy Muslim? Does New Mitanni need someone to howd his hand and make him feel safe?

Awww, is poor widdo New Mitanni afwaid of the big bad scewwy Muslim? Does New Mitanni need someone to howd his hand and make him feel safe?

No, I'm sure he would feel better if he did what I did - join the military and go to their countries and kill a few.

No, I'm sure he would feel better if he did what I did - join the military and go to their countries and kill a few.

'No, I'm sure he would feel better if he did what I said I did - join the military and go to their countries and kill a few'

I reckon that reflects reality a bit better.

This is fucking hilarious; the guys who drove the van into the airport are the same ones who parked the bomb cars in London.

What utter, utter fucking failures as terrorists. Let's all laugh at their humiliation! :D:D:D

This is fucking hilarious; the guys who drove the van into the airport are the same ones who parked the bomb cars in London.

What utter, utter fucking failures as terrorists. Let's all laugh at their humiliation! :D:D:D

I guess in the roll call of people who want to die for their cause and get 72 virgins, they failed:

1. They've committed crimes in a country that won't execute them.
2. They got caught.
3. It's pretty obvious that the UK has enough evidence on some of them (hey, caught getting out of the blazing vehicle) that they'll be convicted.
4. One got pretty severely burned (that has to fucking hurt for a long time).
5. Other associates who appear to be involved in the plot have also been arrested.

Not that all terrorists will fail. But in this case, it is worth having a party to give thanks that they were fucking stupid this time, and to laugh about the fact that none of what they wanted (dead people, 72 virgins) is happening right now.

I'd like to express my admiration for the British Police/Emergency workers for so far handling a few very volatile situations very professionally.

Also-to the British people for continuing with life in the face of these threats-Wimbledon continued,as did 70,000 people for Princess Diana's concert.

I truly hope this rash of violent acts has ended.

I'd like to express my admiration for the British Police/Emergency workers for so far handling a few very volatile situations very professionally.

Also-to the British people for continuing with life in the face of these threats-Wimbledon continued,as did 70,000 people for Princess Diana's concert.

I truly hope this rash of violent acts has ended.

My hat is off to the UK EOD man who manually disabled the trigger on the car bomb in London.

My hat is off to the UK EOD man who manually disabled the trigger on the car bomb in London.

I didnt hear about that yet, but I know that takes some set of balls.

Guys like that often save countless others from death and misery.

Oh, but I have - just not in any direction that you would notice.

Of course I wouldn't - your blabbering isn't significant enough for that. You're not actually daft enough to think that I'd waste my time reading it any more?

reason why the carbombs failed, according to ABC

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3345743&page=1
Fuel-Air Bombs Notoriously Difficult
By RICHARD ESPOSITO and JIM SCIUTTO


The London bomb plot allegedly planned by a cell of doctors failed early last Friday morning because a medical syringe used as part of the firing mechanism caused a malfunction, ABC News has learned.

According to nonclassified documents reviewed by ABC News, and confirmed by multiple sources, both mobile telephones initiated firing mechanisms rigged inside a Mercedes E 300 parked several yards from the front door of Tiger Tiger nightclub failed despite multiple calls to the cell phones designed to remotely trigger the devices.

Had the fuel-air bombs successfully ignited into a superhot fireball filled with roofing nails, casualties were almost a certainty among the 500 or so patrons who partied late at the 1,700-person occupancy nightclub that perhaps best symbolizes London's vital nightlife scene.

Instead, at about 1:42 a.m., a vigilant ambulance crew on an unrelated call spotted a plume of cold propane from a slightly opened window of the car that contained patio fuel cylinders in the foot wells behind the driver and passenger seats, ABC sources said. When a bomb technician in a 90-pound Kevlar suit walked down to the vehicle to examine it, he also found a firing system rigged inside the car and another inside its trunk along with four jugs of gasoline. The technician successfully disarmed the devices..

A second Mercedes rigged with a similar incendiary device was parked several hundred yards away. Several experts on improvised explosives tactics suggested that the second device might have either been meant for patrons who escaped the first or to target rescue workers.

Within 14 hours after the plot failed, the same two men believed to have planted the bombs in London attempted what appears to have been a suicide incendiary attack on the doors to a terminal at Scotland's Glasgow Airport. That attack failed too. The vehicle failed to reach the doors, and its contents failed to ignite even after one of the occupants tried to douse the car in gasoline, setting himself on fire in the process.

Fuel-air bombs, whether professionally made or rigged by novices, are notoriously difficult to get to perform as intended, which analysts said is why they are so rarely used. Despite some surface similarities to vehicle born improvised explosives used in Iraq, these incendiaries are essentially different.

The Iraqi bombs are explosives linked to gases either in the idea of increasing their effectiveness or spreading a chemical cloud. The London and Glasgow devices are not explosives at all, but firebombs.



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As of now, it looks like it is only these two involved in a confirmed sense.

One of the Indian docs (Mohd. Haneed), detained in Aus, could be innocent...according to

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jul/04uk.htm

Reports from reliable sources in the UK indicate that the British police asked the Brisbane police to detain him for questioning because he had bought a SIM card for a mobile phone, which was recovered from Mohammad Jamil Abdelqader Asha, a Jordanian national working as a doctor in the UK since 2005, who has been detained by the Glasgow police.

Asha has been projected as the mastermind of the terrorist incidents in London and Glasgow.

This does not mean that Haneef was consciously involved in the terorrist incidents. One has to await the results of further investigation by the police.

More details..

http://www.expressindia.com/print.php?newsid=89054
UK confirms Indian docs link to plot

Agencies

London, July 4: A doctor at Royal Alexandra Hospital in Glasgow, who refused to give his name, said he recognized Asha as a doctor, who kept an office there - the same hospital where another suspect, Bilal Abdulla, worked.

According to friends of Abdulla's family in Iraq, the 27-year-old doctor came to Britain after graduating from medical school in Baghdad. He was a passenger in the Jeep Cherokee that rammed into the Glasgow airport.

Bilal Abdullah, the 27-year-old Iraqi doctor, has been identified as the passenger in the Jeep Cherokee that rammed into the main terminal of Glasgow Airport. Bilal has links with Iraq’s radical group and is said to be the main plotter of the attack.

Another Khalid Ahmed reported to be the driver of the SUV, who was critically burned in the fire, is originally from Lebanon. Sources reveal that Khalid worked and roomed with Bilal Abdullah.

A third suspect, Mohammad Jamil Asha, 26, a Palestinian-Jordanian neurosurgeon, who arrested along with his wife, Marwah Dana Asha, 27, on Saturday night on a highway in northern England.

Asha has been identified in British media reports as a medical assistant. He worked at North Staffordshire Hospital, near the Midlands town of Newcastle-under-Lyme and his wife formerly worked as a lab technician at a hospital in Shrewsbury, England. A doctor at Royal Alexandra Hospital in Glasgow, who refused to give his name, said he recognized Asha as a doctor, who kept an office there - the same hospital where another suspect, Bilal Abdulla, worked.

Investigators believe it was Bilal who parked the explosives-laden cars in London outside another suspect Sabeel Ahmed, 26, a postgraduate medical trainee from India. Sabeel, who was arrested by the UK police on Tuesday, is believed to have direct links with Bilal.

Sabeel was the member of Muslim’s Right group and had met Bilal there.

Sabeel and another suspect, the 27-year-old Indian doctor Haneef Mohammed, were roommates and studied together in Bangalore too. Haneef worked at Halton Hospital in Cheshir.

According to reports Haneef had left his sim card with Sabeel and information recovered after scanning the sim card shows direct links of the duo to the terror attack.

Cellphone records show photographic images of the suspects and the recording shows the suspects celebrating the plot.

The final two suspects, ages 25 and 28, were arrested by police on Sunday at Royal Alexandra Hospital. Staff said one was a medical student and the other a junior doctor, without giving their names. British media said they were from Saudi Arabia, but police refused to comment.

All employees of Britain's National Health Service, some worked as colleagues at hospitals in England and Scotland. Experts and officials say the evidence points to the plot being hatched after they met in Britain, rather than overseas.

"To think that these guys were a sleeper cell and somehow were able to plan this operation from the different places they were, and then orchestrate being hired by the NHS so they could get to the UK, then get jobs in the same area - I think that's a planning impossibility," said Bob Ayres, a former US intelligence officer now at London's Chatham House think tank.

"A much more likely scenario is they were here together, they discovered that they shared some common ideology, and then they decided to act on this while here in the UK," he said.

No one has yet been charged in the plot in which two car bombs failed to explode in central London Friday and two men rammed a Jeep Cherokee loaded with gas cylinders into the entrance of Glasgow International Airport and set it on fire the following day.

The family of one suspect - Muhammad Haneef, a 27-year-old doctor from India arrested late on Monday in Brisbane, Australia – professed his innocence.

"He has been detained unnecessarily. He is innocent," said Qurat-ul-ain, Haneef's mother.

Sumaiya, Haneef's sister, said on Wednesday he was coming to Bangalore to see his daughter, who was born a week ago.

Investigators believe the main plotters have been rounded up, though others involved on the periphery, including at least one British-born suspect, were still being hunted, a British government security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the details.

British-born Muslims who were behind the 2005 London transit suicide bombings and others in thwarted plots here have been linked to terror training camps and foreign radicals in Pakistan.

The official said Pakistan, India and several other nations were asked to check possible links with the suspects in the latest attacks. The education of the suspects in the car bomb attempts is in sharp contrast to the men, who killed 52 bus and subway passengers in the London transit bombings. The ringleader of that attack, Mohammed Siddique Khan, had a degree in business studies, but with low marks, and his three fellow suicide bombers had little or no higher education.



from the story "Sumaiya, Haneef's sister, said on Wednesday he was coming to Bangalore to see his daughter, who was born a week ago."

WTH was this guy doing in such an occasion....instead of being at the side of his wife...

Quick, surrender your liberties! That'll teach them to envy you them.

They are over here, because we are over there - Patrick C Buchanan

http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/news/top-story/uk-plot-1-indian-doc-freed.aspx

says Haneef might be a SIMI activist. SIMI is a banned outfit in India for terrorist activities.

Dr Hanif was believed to be an activist of the now-banned Simi (Students' Islamic Movement of India) when he was studying in Dr Ambedkar Medical College, according to intelligence sources in Bangalore, reports our special correspondent. "Because he was academically brilliant, soft-spoken, mild-mannered and maintained a low profile, he was able to ward off suspicion. But a close look at his activities revealed that he was a Simi activist and was in charge of providing logistics, such as accommodation and vehicles, for Simi leaders who used to visit the city from Uttar Pradesh," an intelligence officer claimed.

Though Dr Hanif studied in Mudigere government middle and high school in Chikamagalur district, he, however, had his first education at a madrasa in Mudigere, and later in Chikamagalur. "Even in Bangalore he used to visit various madrasas, especially the one in the Muslim-dominated Bhoopasandra, off Hebbal on the Bangalore-Hyderabad national highway. He is believed to have funded some organisations to set up madrasas in the outskirts of the city," the sources claimed.

According to the sources, Dr Hanif's close friend in Simi in Bangalore was one Iqbal Ahmed, who was also known by the name Mohammed Iqbal, a student of an engineering college in Ramanagaram. "This Iqbal was on the watchlist of the Intelligence Bureau and internal security wing of state intelligence, as he was found to be very active in organising closed-door meetings of Simi leaders and workers. He disappeared from the city after the NDA government banned Simi. Dr Hanif and Iqbal attempted to organise a Simi conference in Bangalore, but it was cancelled at the last minute, both in 1999 and 2000," an officer claimed. (PTI,IANS)