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Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?

Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?

Open the case, locate ALL the fans and check to see that all those fans are running.

also, make sure that the vents are not blocked, or that there is sufficent room for circulation.

if all those check out... try running a small clip on fan or desk fan over the vents and see if there is any change.

otherwise, you might want to get it checked out... might have a short somewhere.

Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?Doesn't seem to be too hot to me. I idle at 35-40C (Opteron 165) and my ATI Radeon X1800XL at around 65C.

Open the case, locate ALL the fans and check to see that all those fans are running.

also, make sure that the vents are not blocked, or that there is sufficent room for circulation.

if all those check out... try running a small clip on fan or desk fan over the vents and see if there is any change.

otherwise, you might want to get it checked out... might have a short somewhere.
Well I can see the liquid cooling and the big ass back fan and it doesn't seem to be blowing out hot air. A decent spring breeze though. If I put this thing outside now, it would be a decent air conditioner. So not sure what's up. (And that's the PSU fan, the big back fan is blowing out rather cool air).

Well I can see the liquid cooling and the big ass back fan and it doesn't seem to be blowing out hot air. A decent spring breeze though. If I put this thing outside now, it would be a decent air conditioner. So not sure what's up. (And that's the PSU fan, the big back fan is blowing out rather cool air).

then everything looks ok. after moderate use, does the air get hot?

Yes. Get an engineering degree.

Yes. Get an engineering degree.
No thanks, I think my CS degree pays more.

No thanks, I think my CS degree pays more.
O RLY?

O RLY?
Where I'm working it does.

Let's get back to the point though.

No thanks, I think my CS degree pays more.

Then hire someone to answer these trivial questions, and stop spamming up the forum with your "wah .... I don't know what these numbers mean" crying.

O RLY?

Yah, he's probably right about that. Engineering is not a particularly well compensated profession. (Though I assume it is probably better than CS, whatever 'CS' is).

Let's get back to the point though.
OK, have you tried your mother board's temperature reader? How about the Catalyst Control Center's?

Then hire someone to answer these trivial questions, and stop spamming up the forum with your "wah .... I don't know what these numbers mean" crying.

So you don't know either huh?

Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?

Get another cooling system?

Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?

On air cooling, my CPU temp (just surfing the 'net) is 47 degrees Celcius (according to Asus Probe). Your CPU temp of 25-30 on water seems fine to me.

:gundge:Since my last topic was closed and I have a legitimate question, I made a new topic.

I have everything here and put together but I am concerned the thing may be running hot.
It has the new Radeon HD2900XT and a E6600 Dual Core but is water cooled and seems to have 3 invisible fans I can't see. The Xion temperature reader on the front gives me a reading of 80-85 Fahrenheit (25-30 Celcius). No real load on it.

Any ideas?

:gundge::cool:

:gundge:

:gundge::cool:
Biorifle is not going to help.

Biorifle is not going to help.Biorifle always helps.

Do you have an actual problem though, or are you just wondering if the temp's normal? If you're just wondering, rest assured the temp sounds perfectly normal for a watercooled machine. 5 deg's higher would be ok too.

What you want to pay attention to is not your case temp though, but your GFX card and CPU temps. They shouldn't go much above 55 and 40 respectively, under full load. Neither will take any damage before they're at least 20 degs above that, though. So don't panic.

What you want to pay attention to is not your case temp though, but your GFX card and CPU temps. They shouldn't go much above 55 and 40 respectively, under full load. Neither will take any damage before they're at least 20 degs above that, though. So don't panic.
I'll be damned if I can find those temps. I don't see where it is in the Catalyst Control Center stuff.

So you don't know either huh?

About what?

I'll be damned if I can find those temps. I don't see where it is in the Catalyst Control Center stuff.
It's in the overclocking tab. Until you unlock your card it will be grayed out, but still readable.

I do not know what you mobo company (Gigabite?) will provide as a monitor app, but ASUS's app displays both your mobo's temp and the proc's temp.

I do not know what you mobo company (Gigabite?) will provide as a monitor app, but ASUS's app displays both your mobo's temp and the proc's temp.

Couple of huge assumptions there. Anyway what he's running shouldn't materially degrade anything.

I do not know what you mobo company (Gigabite?) will provide as a monitor app, but ASUS's app displays both your mobo's temp and the proc's temp.
ASUS.

ASUS.
Then there should be a CD with a utility named ASUS PC Probe (IIRC), install it and run it.

aw, the title said Coimputers. I can't help you with computers.

Then there should be a CD with a utility named ASUS PC Probe (IIRC), install it and run it.
Now there was a useful post.
Apparently the CPU is at ~33C and mobo at ~44C

Now there was a useful post.
Apparently the CPU is at ~33C and mobo at ~44C

Haha, it's broken.

Haha, it's broken.

Aw man, but you already sold your credibility for Snickers.

Now there was a useful post.
I was due.
Apparently the CPU is at ~33C and mobo at ~44C
The mobo should be ~10C lower than the mobo, not the other way around. Looks like you do have something to be worried about.

Aw man, but you already sold your credibility for Snickers.

Not true. You obviously don't know anything about Laplace's Equation.

I told you to go to engineering school.

The mobo should be ~10C lower than the mobo, not the other way around. Looks like you do have something to be worried about.

That's what I said.

Good old Laplace!

I was due.

The mobo should be ~10C lower than the mobo, not the other way around. Looks like you do have something to be worried about.
I dunno, the motherboard doesn't seem to be fluctuating any but it is set at a higher threshold than the CPU. Maybe it's the Core 2 Duos run cooler than average

Sounds fine to me.

If yer that concerned...

I'd try re-applying the thermal paste (AS5 ftw) if you had any doubts as to it being proper. Also in water cooling you need to make sure the reservoir is large enough and has enough fan action that the heat has time to be transfered out of the loop before being sent back around. And hmmm... If you have enough peripherals that produce heat (IE Raptors or Cheetahs, etc) that could also increase case temps, but really, those look fine to me.

Whomever said a vid card gets damaged at 70C or so... stop smoking crack. The threshold for their automatic shut off is like 100+C. In the 70s is hot, yes, but not damage hot. My (bought before the 6800GT was available where I am, boonies) X800Pro is 4 years old now and just starting to artifact, temps on that under load are in the low 70s.

Edit: Of course I forgot to mention that thermal paste often takes a while to cure, if you will. Over time avg. temps should go down as the paste sets in properly, but that can vary wildly. Sometimes 5 degrees, sometimes 1. Ya never know.

Now I'm just having problems with my vid card.
It goes artifact to system freeze just running HL2. The AMD GPU Clock tool gives temps around 50C.

Bump for computer helps.

Are you sure the block is seated properly on the heatsink? That could explain a very quick rise in temps that would take you from artifact to freeze?

Also, is it possible you damaged the card in the process of removing the original fan, etc or while installing the watercooling block?

If everything else is being cooled properly and it isnt an issue of the block-heatsink, then I would say yer video card is shot. Is it possible you discharged some static into it? Never happened to me but its always a (minor) possibility. You may want to look into an RMA and see what the manufacturer can do for you.

Edit:

Check out www.hardforums.com

I learn most everything I know from those forums, though they've recently been having some forum stability issues. If they can't solve your problem they know who can or it simply isn't possible to solve. Good luck.

There seems to be a problem rendering things in a full screen jump.
I ran a DirectDraw test and it worked fine in windowed mode, but soon as it jumped to full screen, the thing artifacted and froze the system.

EDIT: If you want me to consult hard forum, post for me; I can't even register there because they don't allow free email addresses.

There seems to be a problem rendering things in a full screen jump.
I ran a DirectDraw test and it worked fine in windowed mode, but soon as it jumped to full screen, the thing artifacted and froze the system.

See, that is totally weird and way out of my league. I'd recommend reseating the card, reinstalling drivers (using Drivercleaner to take it all out) and going from there. I'd pan the Hardforums or post there, but if yer keen in the meantime you could try my little suggestion.

See, that is totally weird and way out of my league. I'd recommend reseating the card, reinstalling drivers (using Drivercleaner to take it all out) and going from there. I'd pan the Hardforums or post there, but if yer keen in the meantime you could try my little suggestion.
I can't even register at hardforum, much less post. If you want to post there with the information I have and you think it would help, go ahead.

Now I'm just having problems with my vid card.
It goes artifact to system freeze just running HL2. The AMD GPU Clock tool gives temps around 50C.

I don't think it's the hardware - I think it's the unstable ATI drivers. See if you can get a new driver for your video card. If that fails, update your HL2 - it might need a patch to work with your new video card (using that Steam product thingy).

My personal opinion is I'd buy an nVidia 8800GTS over an ATI HD2900XT anyway.

Temps sound fine to me, I've got a water loop with a pair of X1900s and an E6300@2.7GHz (IIRC), and at 100% CPU load (SETI) it sits at 45-50°C depending on ambient, according to SpeedFan. The northbridge (passive air-cooled) tends to be hotter than that, 50-60°C.

Air-cooled the X1900XTs are good to 90+°C (had them up to over 110°C once before they gave up), so the X2900 is probably fine at 50°C. That's quite cool for a modern graphics card.

I presume you've tried new drivers and things on the X2900? DriverCleaner's been mentioned. Also, (re-)install the latest DirectX, that sometimes fixes stuff, and they do change it quite frequently without changing version numbers.

Thats normal temp.

I just downloaded the latest ATI drivers.

Sounds fine to me.

If yer that concerned...

I'd try re-applying the thermal paste (AS5 ftw) if you had any doubts as to it being proper. Also in water cooling you need to make sure the reservoir is large enough and has enough fan action that the heat has time to be transfered out of the loop before being sent back around. And hmmm... If you have enough peripherals that produce heat (IE Raptors or Cheetahs, etc) that could also increase case temps, but really, those look fine to me. Temps look fine to me too, but I'd advice against re-applying thermal paste or anything else of the sort, if you don't know what you're doing TPH. Have a mate do it or pay someone. It's a bit tricky when you use watercoooling, and it's pretty expensive if you fuck it up.Whomever said a vid card gets damaged at 70C or so... stop smoking crack. The threshold for their automatic shut off is like 100+C. In the 70s is hot, yes, but not damage hot. My (bought before the 6800GT was available where I am, boonies) X800Pro is 4 years old now and just starting to artifact, temps on that under load are in the low 70s.I feel cheated... I didn't smoke any crack :(

75 deg. C is as hot as you should allow CPUs and GPUs to get. Beyond that, performance and lifetime decreases rapidly. Past 85 deg. C BSODs (STOP errors) and HW damage can't be ruled out.Edit: Of course I forgot to mention that thermal paste often takes a while to cure, if you will. Over time avg. temps should go down as the paste sets in properly, but that can vary wildly. Sometimes 5 degrees, sometimes 1. Ya never know.Typically around 250 hours of runtime, though it depends on how much you use the machine. If it runs at load 24/7 it takes about 3 days.

TPH pay a visit to MajorGeeks.com and download a program called Everest. It's free, easy to use, and can track unit and case temps. ASUS Probe is shit.

If your graphics card is overclocked, reset it to manufacturer standard. If you're using low AA, it's a corrupted driver. If it's neither, the most common causes are overheating, bad connectivity (reseat the card), or a faulty card. In my experience, it's almost always overheating or a corrupted driver messing up low AA settings (but not higher ones).

Your temperatures don't sound alarming, but I really suggest you check with Everest (or something similar).

See if this thread on another site helps
http://www.driverheaven.net/windows-xp-2k-radeon-display-drivers/138200-problems-current-cat-hd-2900xt.html

.Typically around 250 hours of runtime, though it depends on how much you use the machine. If it runs at load 24/7 it takes about 3 days.
That was the test run they were supposed to do before shipping it out.

ASUS Probe is shit.
The one on the CD is pretty good.

If your graphics card is overclocked, reset it to manufacturer standard.
It's not, or the current settings are set to default.
3D Engine: 743 and Memory: 828 according to AMD GPU Clock tools.

If you're using low AA, it's a corrupted driver. If it's neither, the most common causes are overheating, bad connectivity (reseat the card), or a faulty card. In my experience, it's almost always overheating or a corrupted driver messing up low AA settings (but not higher ones).
Would this explain the screwing up on the full screen DirectDraw test?

I feel cheated... I didn't smoke any crack :(

75 deg. C is as hot as you should allow CPUs and GPUs to get. Beyond that, performance and lifetime decreases rapidly. Past 85 deg. C BSODs (STOP errors) and HW damage can't be ruled out.

I am not keen on it being around those temperatures, but I personally feel the threat of heat is overestimated. Just personal opinion and experience speaking. Four years for a video card I've abused (I was among those who helped discover that only select versions of X800s can get flashed to access 16 pipelines) badly with bios flashing, overclocking, and alot of transportation and moving and banging is fine by me.

And I've never seen a GPU go beyond the mid 70s unless somebody hadn't set their new heatsink properly. So in most cases I don't think its a big concern. *shrugs*

You are correct though, I will readily admit. I just don't think it's a big issue, if our friend here is having issues that are causing either uncontrolled heat or waffling stability. The heat itself, should it be heat, is just a by-product of this issue and would be solved if we solved the issue.

TPH -

Hard to tell what would cause such random corruption of a full screen test. Sounds quite clearly like drivers, but ATi has (in my experience) always had good drivers. You can try clearing out the latest drivers and installing the previous release (or reinstalling the latest). If the problems persist we will know it isn't on the software side for sure. If the card is seated properly and whomever built it didn't mess up the thermal pasting then sadly it sounds like its just a faulty card. That's my best shot without being there to see it all / check it out on my own.

Regarding your HL2, I would go online and look for a newer driver for your graphics card, as well as go to the HL2 official website where it should tell you the cards it is compatible with or not (some games don't support some types of GPU architecture) Also, the site might have a HL2 patch to correct the problem.

In regards to your case and case temp, most of the time I have seen an external liquid cooling system, the case is typically devoid of a lot of fans, and most fans if there are any don't work as hard as an air-induced cooling tower unit. The simple reason is that the cooling system is designed to be the heat attractor so the heat is absorbed by the liquid and transferred outside to dissipate. A PC tower temp of 25-30 is an excellent temp to keep your PC at (remember it is 80+ish Fahrenheit) so it isn't much hotter than a day here in Texas.

I personally would not worry about the temp, as you should not be worried until it reaches or passes 50C.

Also, if you are really worried about cooling, then you should goto newegg.com or tigerdirect.com and purchase some new cables for your components, they have some ribbon cables that have been spliced along its length and bundled together which gives you MUCH less restriction on airflow plus they look cooler!

A PC tower temp of 25-30 is an excellent temp to keep your PC at (remember it is 80+ish Fahrenheit) so it isn't much hotter than a day here in Texas.
Nicer than a day here.

I personally would not worry about the temp, as you should not be worried until it reaches or passes 50C.
The case temperature isn't going too high, the mobo is staying at 44-45C and CPU is between 32 and 45 from what I have seen.

Now I am a bit more concerned about the vid card, the rest I can worry about later.

With these new cards like the HD2900XT (or what people call the X2900 :p), the first drivers release for these cards are often very buggy and unstable.

As for temps, my OCed XFX nVidia 7600GT is 43C at ambient and hits 60C if I manage to stress it but I rarely do that. My case is air-cooled with 3 x 80 mm fans and I have an Opteron 165 processor as well as one as additional horizontal fan near the bottom of the case.